good question

Title: good question Subject: News from sister Lynne REPUBLICANISM SHOWN TO BE GENETIC IN ORIGIN The discovery that affiliation with the Republican Party is genetically determined was announced by scientists in the current issue of the journal NURTURE, causing uproar among traditionalists who

Re: [Fwd: [Fwd: Dr Seuss]]

--- joanna bujes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That was wonderful. Thanks. > > Joanna I'll second that emotion. Mike B) = Beers fall into two broad categories: Those that are produced by top-fermenting yeasts (ales) and those th

WORLD BANK: BELARUS HAS FEWEST POOR PEOPLE IN CIS

WORLD BANK: BELARUS HAS FEWEST POOR PEOPLE IN CIS MOSCOW, March 4, 2004. (RIA Novosti correspondent) - Belarus has the lowest number of poor people among the CIS countries, the Belarussian Embassy in Moscow informed RIA Novosti on Thursday quoting the data of the World Bank. Belarus holds 85th pl

Re: WORLD BANK: BELARUS HAS FEWEST POOR PEOPLE IN CIS

On second thought, this data looks kind of screwy. No way are there fewer people living in poverty in Ukraine and Georgia as a percentage of the population than in Russia. Russian wages are about three times as high as Ukrainian ones, and last time I checked the only fSU country with a higher pe

Re: flaring off

I think it is important to separate the issues of petroleum scarcity and "economic" determinants. We can argue about both, but the real issue the connection between the two. I think it is painfully clear that the bourgeoisie are not driven forward or backward by an anticipated shortage of petroleu

Re: Haiti expert

I'd love to find someone who could talk about the history & political economy of Haiti on my radio show next week - e.g., how did it get to be so poor? Any ideas? Doug * About the history and political economy of Haiti in particular: Alex Dupuy:

"The bourgeoisie are the reason Aristide couldn't do anything"

LA Times, March 5, 2004 In Aristide's Wake, a Land Long Divided by Class, Color Explodes Looting and attacks on businesses and the rich could lead to deepening of the nation's poverty. By Carol J. Williams, Times Staff Writer PETIONVILLE, Haiti — From the palm-shaded swimming pools and marble t

Japan

BIGGEST JUMP IN 2 1/2 YEARS Manufacturers' capital spending up 15% The Japan Times: March 5, 2004 Capital spending by manufacturers jumped 15 percent in the October-December quarter from a year earlier for the biggest rise in 2 1/2 years, underscoring the strong capital investment fueling the rec

Re: flaring off

dmschanoes wrote: I think it is painfully clear that the bourgeoisie are not driven forward or backward by an anticipated shortage of petroleum. PEARL HARBOR THE FIRST ENERGY WAR History Today, Dec, 2000, by Charles Maechling Charles Maechling sees the US oil embargo against Japan as the direct

Re: Japan

The article is very interesting. I think a lot can be gained from posing and investigating a simple question re Japanese capital spending, "Why Now?" China's demand input to the Japanese economy is not now qualitatively higher than it was 3 years ago, and if, as the article notes, manufacturer's

FW: Ellsberg defends Kerry against Republican charges of "treason"

This appeared on Daniel Ellsberg's list and I thought it might be of interest. Peter Hollings -Original Message- From: Ellsberg.Net Email List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 4:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Ellsberg defends Kerry against Republican charges

Alex Dupuy: "Who Is Afraid of Democracy in Haiti?"

Alex Dupuy, "Who Is Afraid of Democracy in Haiti?" June 2003: . -- Yoshie * Bring Them Home Now! * Calendars of Events in Columbus:

Re: flaring off

Louis Proyect has submitted a portion of a text designed to prove that the bourgeoisie are in fact driven by shortages of energy and that WWII was the first energy war. Careful reading of the full text makes it very clear, however, that neither the actions of the Japanese, nor the US were driven b

Re: flaring off

DMS wrote: Louis Proyect has submitted a portion of a text designed to prove that the bourgeoisie are in fact driven by shortages of energy and that WWII was the first energy war. Careful reading of the full text makes it very clear, however, that neither the actions of the Japanese, nor the US we

communicating on pen-l

David challenged Lou and Lou responded regarding oil. First of all, please do not challenge people directly on the list. That way, we can avoid flaming [flaring] and people don't find the need to go on and on with interminable challenge and response threads. Also, David made his case already. M

outsourcing jobs...

interesting hearing on CSPAN with workers who have lost their jobs due to outsourcing E. Ahmet Tonak Simon’s Rock College of Bard Great Barrington, MA 01230 Phone: 413-528 7488 Homepage: www.simons-rock.edu/~eatonak

The Teixeira thesis

The population of college-educated workers, women, minorities, and young people who support the Democratic Party is growing quickly, and will lead it to dominate American politics, argues Ruy Teixeira in the latest issue of Britain’s Prospect magazine. Teixeira first propounded the thesis with co-

Re: The Teixeira thesis

Marvin Gandall wrote: Teixeira first propounded the thesis with co-author John Judis in The Emerging Democratic Majority, which appeared shortly before the US mid-term elections in 2002 – unfortunate timing, because these saw a sharp swing to the Republicans. But Teixeira says the election was an a

Re: The Teixeira thesis

As D.C. goes TCF is pretty liberal on tax, budget, health, and Social Security stuff. Worth reading, I would say. I don't follow Texeira or their other material, which included a big project on homeland security. Of course the center moves all the time. In DC I'm a crazy left-winger. In a meet

Re: The Teixeira thesis

one thing that this thesis seems to miss (based on a reading based only the following) is that in the US, elections aren't won by numbers of people. The herd of candidates is thinned by the media (e.g., the campaign against Dean) and by campaign contributions (dollar votes). Further, a problem w

Re: flaring off

I was pointing out the critical rupture the scarcity theory makes with Marx's analysis regarding historical necessity and the agent of revoution-- the essential conflict between the means and relations of production. I, and I'm sure not only I, am well aware of your tendency to make every comment

Re: The Teixeira thesis

Max B. Sawicky wrote: In a meeting at EPI I said you could define the working class as those who must work to finance a standard of living, and somebody said that was a marxist definition. What's the acceptable definition of the working class? People who bowl non-ironically? Doug

Re: communicating on pen-l

Just to set the record straight: Excuse me, Louis challenged ME directly. Remember? I posted first the piece about oil prices as an index to the direction of capital. Lou took exception to my dismissal of scarcity. I responded. Lou responded. I re-responded. Lou re-re-responded etc. If the is

Re: The Teixeira thesis

the politically correct definition of the "working class" is either (1) all those with paid jobs (including CEOs) or (2) those with relatively low incomes. Or course, many want to define "it" as vaguely as possible, because it plays well politically. Jim Devine [EMAIL PR

Re: communicating on pen-l

dmschanoes wrote: Just to set the record straight: Excuse me, Louis challenged ME directly. Speaking from personal experience, I can say it's better for your own mental health and that of onlookers if you just ignore him. Doug

Re: communicating on pen-l

This is the second provocation from Henwood in a week. Henwood, you make it sound like I made you crazy or something. I didn't make you crazy. And I never abused you. I challenged your Nation Magazine/Living Marxism/postmodernist politics and you didn't like it. Too bad. If you aspire to be America

Re: communicating on pen-l

Lou, Doug was wrong and so are you here. Find a neutral corner and duke it out. Not on pen-l. On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 12:54:25PM -0500, Louis Proyect wrote: > This is the second provocation from Henwood in a week. Henwood, you make > it sound like I made you crazy or something. I didn't make yo

Alleged conflict of forces/relations of production

dmschanoes wrote: > > I was pointing out the critical rupture the scarcity theory makes with > Marx's analysis regarding historical necessity and the agent of revoution-- > the essential conflict between the means and relations of production. > Marx speaks of this alleged conflict a couple of tim

Re: Alleged conflict of forces/relations of production

I will answer offlist. Others may contact me if they are interested in my reply. - Original Message - From: "Carrol Cox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 1:13 PM Subject: [PEN-L] Alleged conflict of forces/relations of production > dmschanoes wrote

Re: The Teixeira thesis

Acceptable to whom? -Original Message- Max B. Sawicky wrote: >In a meeting at EPI I said you could define >the working class as those who must work to finance a standard >of living, and somebody said that was a marxist definition. What's the acceptable definition of the working cla

Re: communicating on pen-l

Doug Henwood wrote: > dmschanoes wrote: > >>Just to set the record straight: Excuse me, Louis challenged ME directly. > > Speaking from personal experience, I can say it's better for your own > mental health and that of onlookers if you just ignore him. > to the contrary, i have almost always f

White House Subp

Title: White House Subp Air Force One phone records subpoenaed Grand jury to review call logs from Bush's jet in probe of how a CIA agent's cover was blown BY TOM BRUNE STAFF WRITER, Newsday March 5, 2004 WASHINGTON -- The federal grand jury probing the leak of a covert CIA officer's identity

Re: The Teixeira thesis

To the people who didn't like your definition, of course. Max B. Sawicky wrote: Acceptable to whom? -Original Message- Max B. Sawicky wrote: In a meeting at EPI I said you could define the working class as those who must work to finance a standard of living, and somebody said that

Re: The Teixeira thesis

Oh. They like to define things with numbers. mbs Subject: Re: The Teixeira thesis To the people who didn't like your definition, of course. Max B. Sawicky wrote: >Acceptable to whom? > >Max B. Sawicky wrote: > >>In a meeting at EPI I said you could define >>the working class as those who mus

Re: The Teixeira thesis

Max B. Sawicky wrote: Oh. They like to define things with numbers. So do I, but you've got to have some conceptual scheme if you're classifying workers into "working class" and "not working-class."

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My nephew asks: Do you know of any good articles or web sites that comprehensively discuss the Romanian transition and expelling of Ceaucescu? I answer, "No, but I know lots of smarties on PEN-L who surely will". If I remember, Ceaucescu was shot, not expelled, for starters... Bill

Ceaucescu and Romanian transition

My nephew asks: Do you know of any good articles or web sites that comprehensively discuss the Romanian transition and expelling of Ceaucescu? I answer, "No, but I know lots of smarties on PEN-L who surely will". If I remember, Ceaucescu was shot, not expelled, for starters... [sorry for post wit

Re: The Teixeira thesis

Max B. Sawicky wrote: Oh. They like to define things with numbers. So do I, but you've got to have some conceptual scheme if you're classifying workers into "working class" and "not working-class." ? Why classify workers into "working class" and "not working class"? You meant to say "classify pe

Re: The Teixeira thesis

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: Why classify workers into "working class" and "not working class"? You meant to say "classify people into 'working class' and 'not working class'"? Even Michael Eisner is a worker, at least for a little while longer. So are bond traders. Doug

Stewart found guilty on all counts in obstruction trial - Mar. 5, 2004

bad news for doug ;-). --ravi Stewart convicted on all charges Jury finds style maven, ex-broker guilty of obstructing justice and lying to investigators. March 5, 2004: 3:32 PM EST NEW YORK (CNN/Money) -

Re: The Teixeira thesis

Erik Ohlin Wright did some work where he was able to define different "positions in the class structure" and assign specific percentages to each. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine > -Original Message- > From: Max B. Sawicky [m

Re: Stewart found guilty on all counts in obstruction trial - Mar. 5, 2004

ravi wrote: bad news for doug ;-). Good news for the reputation of the stock market, though! Wall Street will sleep peacefully knowing that Martha's decorating her cell. Doug

Re: Stewart found guilty on all counts in obstruction trial - Mar. 5, 2004

I, for one, am now more willing to invest my nest-egg in Wall Street! Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine > -Original Message- > From: Doug Henwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 12:56 PM > To: [EMAIL PRO

Re: Ceaucescu and Romanian transition

Reactionary coup in Romania http://www.workers.org/marcy/cd/sam90/1990html/s900104.htm An excerpt from this report written at the time: "What the millions saw on U.S. television, for instance--the burning of public buildings, the shooting up of libraries--is characteristic of the period long ago w

Re: The Teixeira thesis

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/05/04 11:41 AM >>> Marvin Gandall wrote: > Teixeira first propounded the thesis with co-author John Judis in The > Emerging Democratic Majority This is the same Judis who stumped for contra funding in the 1980s. I don't doubt that more and more people will flock to the Dem

Re: The Teixeira thesis

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/05/04 3:14 PM >>> Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: >Why classify workers into "working class" and "not working class"? >You meant to say "classify people into 'working class' and 'not >working class'"? Even Michael Eisner is a worker, at least for a little while longer. So are bond

Re: Ceaucescu and Romanian transition

given how bad the Rumanian government was before Ceaucescu was overthrown, I find the view presented by NPR poet-commentator to be a bit more plausible: the same thugs that ruled before the "revolution" ended up in power afterwards (with the notable exception of Ceaucescu and his family).

Re: The Teixeira thesis

as for teixeira (who was with brookings at one time if memory serves), i don't recall him ever getting anything correct in the past... michael hoover From Jay Moore on Marxmail: I knew Ruy Teixeira during his Maoist days out in Michigan. He's a very smart guy. Unfortunately, he's gone more and

Re: The Teixeira thesis

Michael Hoover wrote: >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/05/04 3:14 PM >>> Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: Why classify workers into "working class" and "not working class"? You meant to say "classify people into 'working class' and 'not working class'"? Even Michael Eisner is a worker, at least for a little while

Re: "The bourgeoisie are the reason Aristide couldn't do anything"

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/05/04 9:13 AM >>> LA Times, March 5, 2004 By Carol J. Williams, Times Staff Writer PETIONVILLE, Haiti ― From the palm-shaded swimming pools and marble terraces of this wealthy suburb's hillside villas, the distant squalor of Port-au-Prince looks like a tranquil, opalescen

An injury to one is an injury to all....

We find that the centering of the management of industries into fewer and fewer hands makes the trade unions unable to cope with the ever growing power of the employing class. The trade unions foster a state of affairs which allows one set of workers to be pitted against another set of workers in t

Re: The Teixeira thesis

I like Kevin Phillips' way of putting it: Upper Class = rich, work or no work Middle Class = comfort and some wealth, but only if you keep working Working Class = hand-to-mouth/no net wealth, and big trouble if no job This schema matches the wealth profile of the country quite well, IMHO. -

Re: Ceaucescu and Romanian transition

Although I have not read any helpful articles about the "revolution" in Romania -- I can relate anecdotal evidence from Romanians both in and out of the country that what James says below is absolutely true. (I was born and raised in Romania and I am still fluent.) I tried reading Romanian newspap

Re: The Teixeira thesis

D. Henwood wrote: > I'm not saying that worker = working class. A worker is someone who > works; a member of the working class is someone with little or no > property who must earn a paycheck to stay alive. > > Doug So a person who works and does not sell her or his labor-power in the labor market

liars at work

Title: liars at work Look what the lying motherfuckers are up to. Dan Scanlan - Date posted: 2004-03-03 Indecency Bill Fine Raised Higher Than Expected Members of the House Commerce Committee made two big changes to the indecency bill passed to th

Re: The Teixeira thesis

On Friday, March 5, 2004 at 16:58:57 (-0500) Doug Henwood writes: >... >I'm not saying that worker = working class. A worker is someone who >works; a member of the working class is someone with little or no >property who must earn a paycheck to stay alive. Quite right, and I think a valuable disti

Re: The Teixeira thesis

- Original Message - From: "Max B. Sawicky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Oh. They like to define things with numbers. mbs === That's a Quinean definition: to be working class is to be the value of a variable :-) Ian

Re: The Teixeira thesis

- Original Message - From: "Doug Henwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Max B. Sawicky wrote: >Oh. They like to define things with numbers. So do I, but you've got to have some conceptual scheme if you're classifying workers into "working class" and "not working-class." Damn,

Re: The Teixeira thesis

There's a vast jurisprudence which has been built up by labour boards to define who is a worker. The definition has arisen out of the innumerable conflicts between labour and management concerning which employees are eligible for inclusion in a new bargaining unit in union certification cases. Whil

Re: The Teixeira thesis

Doug Henwood wrote: > > Max B. Sawicky wrote: > > >Oh. They like to define things with numbers. > > So do I, but you've got to have some conceptual scheme if you're > classifying workers into "working class" and "not working-class." This finally sank through to me only a couple days ago while rea

Re: The Teixeira thesis

- Original Message - From: "Carrol Cox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This finally sank through to me only a couple days ago while reading some material on class. I haven't got it clear yet, but this is a start. Why do we _want_ to classify people into classes? Answer: No reason at all. ==

Re: The Teixeira thesis

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: Why classify workers into "working class" and "not working class"? You meant to say "classify people into 'working class' and 'not working class'"? Even Michael Eisner is a worker, at least for a little while longer. So are bond traders. Doug Why can't we say that Eisner is

Re: The Teixeira thesis

Ian, This bloody "The Classless Society" book by Paul W. Kingston costs $21.95. Moreover, this is the papeback price. The hardcover price is $49.50. I am not going to buy it, of course. Too expensive for a working class CEO. By the way, I also happen to be the President as well as the only work

Re: FW: Ellsberg defends Kerry against Republican charges of "treason"

--- Peter Hollings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This appeared on Daniel Ellsberg's list and I > thought it might be of > interest. > > Peter Hollings That it was. Thank-you, Peter. Regards, Mike B) = Beers fall into two broad

Re: The Teixeira thesis

--- Eubulides <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: = > > http://www.sup.org/cgi-bin/search/book_desc.cgi?book_id=3804%203806 > The Classless Society > > Paul W. Kingston > > Are there classes in America? In The Classless > Society Paul Kingston > forcefully answers no. Challenging