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fifty years ago on today's situation ? This attempt to find quick
historical analogies with a distant past seems to be more a case of an
inability to analyse the present.
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have to have clearly defined class
politics. Watering down social and economic demands leads to the triumph of
fascism.
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to the president. (AP/USA Today 7 Mar 2002)
http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/2002/03/07/cuba-cyberatt
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This is not a reply to anyone in particular -
Productive Forces --- P = (M + L) - R
Productive Potential = Means of Production plus Living Labour minus the
Relations of Production
Of course you need to divide the product by N (Consumption Needs
Sorry all - my sad idea of a joke.
Productive Forces --- P = (M + L) - R
Of course it is a nonsense, but Jim you can add labour to the means of production -
just not mathematically.
Apologisies all round
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
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Most things can be represented algerbraically which is not the same thing as being
quantifiable.
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From: Carrol Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [PEN-L:23272] Re: Re: RE: God
Greg Schofield wrote:
It could be said that God exists is so far as it
is a projection of (hu)man (which puts a different
twist on atheism
of
irreligious criticism is man (sic) makes religion, religion
doesn't make man. ( A feminist critique might note that it is
indeed men who make religion, not women)
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Perth Australia
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relation (obviously from elesewhere) - it is the dominance which gives
directional character to the whole.
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Perth Australia
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health, and it
is a contradictory one.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
, the communists found themselves in a never-world.
Times have changed radically, the old rules no longer hold.
Note also that reforms, no matter how modest or sensible are not welcomed by capital
today, reform has much more of an edge to it then it did before.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
I took this rather dense paragraph from
http://www.sussex.ac.uk/Units/CGPE/conference/papers/radice.pdf
GLOBALIZATION, STATE FAILURE AND UNDERDEVELOPMENT: IMPERIALISM? by Hugo Radice.
It is an observation which is important at it touches on some critical aspects -
especially important is his
http://chnm.gmu.edu/rhr/special.htm
Micahel's has appended the contents list below.
Whare do you find such things! amazed and grateful - you have made me very happy. I
don't know what conclusions the authors draw but they discussed it seriously and in
1992!
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
in such
reforms, other classes may benefit (will benefit no-doubt) but other interests close
in, social leadership has become a primary question the proof of which lies all about
us.
Perhaps the surest course is that imposed on us, any other seems to point towards
nothing at all.
Greg Schofield
Perth
to give itself what - Afgahistan! for
christ's sake, an oil pipeline could have been had for bribes to tribal heads paid for
by the costs of just one bombing run.
Sorry Rob, I let myself go not because I disagreed with you but because I agree with
you too well.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
,
it seems odd that by beingg faulted we should use this as an excuse not to construct a
clear picture of post-imperialism now.
This seems to be what we are doing, grasping at straws not to take on the challenge of
understanding our period for what it is.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
but there are
historical and material reasons why we have to break with the past and explore new
regions.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
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Here! Here! Charles
CB: Shouldn't PEN-L members be working furiously to craft economic political rhetoric
even more radical than Stiglitz and Krugman ?
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Perth Australia
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but I have found your attitude beyond the pale or reasonable discourse.
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defensibale ground is found and held as a
ralling point - we need to find such ground and the way the world is going - we need
to do so quickly.
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Perth Australia
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. In my own defense I would
simply state that my final sentence:
Sorry Max but I have found your attitude beyond the pale or reasonable discourse. Is
in fact an apology for the dismmissive tone of my own reply.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
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-productive to the social enterprise.
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Perth Australia
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I wrote
of work needs to be done - the question is no
longer a choice of planning or markets, but which plans - the corporate bourgeois
plans, or a yet to be created proletarian plan for economic development.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
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and of
course marketing in all its varied forms - whether in-house or out-sourced). Not that
I have made the subject matter any clearer by this post I fear.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
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the thought was inadequate and misleading, I hope the above does resolve
some of the points you quite properly raised.
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the role and plans of super-monopolies, but
politically we have become reductionist.
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Perth Australia
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internationalism. I doubt, there is a socialist platform in the world which
makes such a conscession to the UN as such, yet its absense points to a deep-seated
duplicity in our movement.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
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of the struggle they are already
engaged in.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
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Sorry, but I find this a bit facile. There is a tremendous
but in a guise we didn't expect, the struggle for its Proletarian future
should be taking place in the here and now. The stopper in the bottle, the only thing
holding back the historical forces for this struggle is ironically the left itself.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
of these groups.
Indeed to get anywhere at all anti-utopianism will be the axe needed to cleve away
such dead wood.
In all seriousness if anything politicall progressive emerges I believe it will emerge
from the international forum of the net.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
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is a parody of their
former function (speculative exchanges are very much removed from the exchanges of
actual value - the historical purpose of real markets).
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Perth Australia
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of the market (its
actual governance of production) is well and truely pushed into the background - which
is the essence of my point. The chaos we now enjoy is a coporate bureacratic one.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
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but in a guise we didn't expect, the struggle for its Proletarian future
should be taking place in the here and now. The stopper in the bottle, the only thing
holding back the historical forces for this struggle is ironically the left itself.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
in class terms, for all that lies above is no more than what
generations of real communists have always done - they take the world as they find it
and struggle to make it better (it is however, alas, not what communist
organisations have done - more the pity).
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
to have?
3. Are we now looking at the world divided into two vast camps (to paraphrase Marx)
international bourgeoisie against a yet to be politically formed international working
class?
4. What exactly has changed?
Best wishes and comradely salutations
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
), it is difficult to see how, in fact it seems difficult to
comprehend how Empire may be fought by any other means. For Empire to recreate
reformism on a significant scale in this period of time would be to turn the clock
back and recreate a parochial bourgeoisie.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
and the main tasks ahead.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
labour would be to my mind a step
forward from the passive situation which exists today.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
looming large - options appear
limited.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
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issue and appear once again to have
killed off useful debate by so doing.
Greg Schofield
Perth Austrlia
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I much
and hope to hear more soon.
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Perth Australia
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[Hi Greg, see below]
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From
of a series of
regimes and perhaps the privatisation of the world's major oil reserves?
I pose this in ignorance, but as I see Bush go out of its way to anatagonise
islamic world wide I remain suspicious of other more far reaching agendas.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
in order to preserve communal life (unalienated), they are in
this way also great success stories of the human spirit.
I will not add any more but am ever willing to elaborate ; )
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
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our shared history (not denying its
critical importance in less developed parts of the world). The 20th century
could well deny there was anything natural about it, but this is a product of
our times and an anachronism that should not be loaded onto Marx.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
;
"The theoretical conclusions of the Communists... merely express in general
terms, actual relations springing from an existing class struggle, from a
historical movement going on under our very eyes."
On this I can only concur, if we could only shift our gaze from far horizons an
international relations themselves.. Somehow all of this has to
be brought under a single dialectic - something quite beyond
my powers but not I think beyond our collective efforts.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
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of this could you please
let me know as it is an area that I am very interested in, but being
removed from academic resources I would not have a clue what has
happened in the last twenty years in this area.
Good luck Engels has a few big surprises in his little work
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
maifests in actual changes of inter-state
relations.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
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Greg Schofield wrote
Chris, in the main, I very much agree with you below.
There has never been a situation where international and national struggles have been
so closely intermingled as there is today, but what has the left done in practical
terms about this turn of events?
Nothing - except to tread the same
suspicions and opinions but nothing which could
be called persuasive). So I turn the question completly around.
Given the conditions of the communist/socialist movement, how can we be satisified?
The proof of the pudding, and all that, is all around us.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
Ian thank you for you reply and I will do my best to respond to it.
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be assumed, but it does
not detract from whether their main argument is true or not, or whether or not this
main point touches on vital areas which need to be discussed more fully.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
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the only
logical means for its survival.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
not make a
right).
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
(now above and directing states) may well
be better comprehended by other concepts.
I state this as a mere proposition.
And thanks again Chris for you kind and thoughtful reply.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
worthwhile
and for this I apologise to all those on this list.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia.
to do the same
thing we will forever be subject to the nightmare of our own fetished
beliefs - it is not such a big step to let go the concept of Imperialism
and embrace super-imperialism, but it may well be a vital one.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
Materialism on a step
or two and break from the political bind we all now occupy.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
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