Frankly, I think the Left would do better if we could mobilize super- and
supra-natural forces. Wicca anyone?
This misses the point. Transcendental meditators and witches run campaigns
to recruit members. Personally, I'm a devotee of Adorno's Theses Against
Occultism.
I hope that we're in
While we have been hearing a lot about the Nader campaign (and to the extent
that it puts progressive politics in the foreground of public discussion,
all to the good), how has David McReynolds been getting on?
Michael K.
Nader portion of below deleted...Michael Hoover
http
I was there. It was fun until one side of the building came down on my foot.
Peter
Jim Devine wrote:
I hope that we're in the majority on this one, but I remember when the
Yippies tried to levitate the Pentagon. (Max, was that in your Yippie
period? Louis?)
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
McReynolds and the socialists have a solution. "Vast corporate
structures" should be placed "under social ownership," he said
when he announced that he would seek the Socialist Party
nomination for President.
But McReynolds does not hold that the state should take over large
I remember when the Yippies tried to levitate the Pentagon. (Max, was
that in your Yippie period? Louis?)
Peter Dorman writes:
I was there. It was fun until one side of the building came down on my foot.
I understand that classified documents reveal that the Air Force's NORAD
also almost
Lisa Ian Murray wrote:
This seems to be a gaping hole in left prescriptions for organizational
change at the micro and macro economic level. What would socializing IBM or
UPS, or McDonalds for that matter, look like?
As opposed to small, locally owned enterprises? What would
socializing them
Jim Devine wrote:
Frankly, I think the Left would do better if we could mobilize super- an
supra-natural forces. Wicca anyone?...
Unfortunately, the one Wiccan of my accquaintence is a dedicated
Goreista, and believes Bush to represent an
There are a few people who have come up with answers -- including Robin
Hahnels and Michael Albert's Parecon scheme. However whenever it is
brought up we get into an endless loop of argument.
Doug Henwood wrote:
Lisa Ian Murray wrote:
This seems to be a gaping hole in left prescriptions
Lisa Ian Murray wrote:
This seems to be a gaping hole in left prescriptions for organizational
change at the micro and macro economic level. What would
socializing IBM or
UPS, or McDonalds for that matter, look like?
As opposed to small, locally owned enterprises? What would
Gar Lipow wrote:
There are a few people who have come up with answers -- including Robin
Hahnels and Michael Albert's Parecon scheme. However whenever it is
brought up we get into an endless loop of argument.
This maillist constitutes a self-appointed Board of Experts. Now political
ts own
excesses, nor will it talk about other issues that Nader has prioritized.
These included inadequate health care and insurance, campaign financing
and--most interestingly--the "war on drugs."
As it turned out, the Nader campaign's objection to the current Draconian
drug laws ran like a re
"Upside Down" by Eduardo Galeano
The author of "Memory of Fire" delivers a scathing, mischievous indictment
of North America's hypocrisy and consumer culture.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
By Greg Villepique
Oct. 12, 2000 | Thinking of voting for Ralph Nader but wondering what
You scared me. I thought you were referring to Richard Nixon, who allegedly
is tanned and rested and ready to run for office again (in Hell). Of
course, Nixon was better than the current crop of politicians.
At 09:06 PM 9/28/00 -0700, you wrote:
I understand that RN will be on TV tonight.
Jim
Michael Perelman said on 9/28/00 8:06 PM
I understand that RN will be on TV tonight. How could he be as funny as
Bush? Slate reports
RN appeared on Fox News yesterday with Phil Donahue(sp) and described
Bush as a corporation disguised as a human being. Sounds a little like
Steve Gaskin's "A
I understand that RN will be on TV tonight. How could he be as funny as
Bush? Slate reports
"It is clear our nation is reliant upon big foreign oil.
More and more of our imports come from
overseas."--Beaverton, Ore., Sept. 25, 2000
--
Michael
for Nader here is the deal,
Meet at behind the stage in park plaza thursday at 6:30
bring any funky costumes (or lack therof) that is fun,
there will a van for changing,
more the merrier,
at 7 after a Green Party speaker gives a short speech,
a security escort will run with you to the stage
No, not a dirty trick, opposition research. They want to test their worst fears
-- are Nader supporters without supporters bigger than Gore supporters wearing
suspenders -- in the British usage.
Gene Coyle
Jim Devine wrote:
might this be a dirty trick, i.e., an undercover effort by the Gore
Jim, the nudists were not for Gore. I know them -- at least with their
clothes on. They represented one of the few humorous notes in the stupid
election cycle.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This post constitutes proof positive that Chico is in the forefront of politics,
despite all the news from Prague.
dna wrote:
If you would lke to join the Nudist for Nader here is the deal,
Meet at behind the stage in park plaza thursday at 6:30
bring any funky costumes (or lack therof
]
subject: Nader Petition: Academics, Intellectuals, Artists and Writers
date: September 4, 2000
Please let us know if you are willing to sign the following and, if
so, send us your affiliation (for identification only) or
location/identification (e.g., "artist," "writer,&
close connections with the Democrats through the rest of
the labor movement..
Gene Coyle
Stephen E Philion wrote:
I just heard that UE endorsed Nader. They're also the one of the biggest
(or biggest?) supporters of the Labor Party. I don't think they supported
Nader last time around, right
I just heard that UE endorsed Nader. They're also the one of the biggest
(or biggest?) supporters of the Labor Party. I don't think they supported
Nader last time around, right? Has the ILWU come out with an endorsement
yet?
Steve
Stephen Philion
Lecturer/PhD Candidate
Department
Max Sawicky wrote:
BDL's new piece on Nader is civil enough, but it got me to thinking
about a point that has come up before -- the business of comparing
consumer benefits to worker losses in trade debates. Henwood
brought this up (once) and provoked in me the realization that the
logic
DH . . .
Max, you been studying at the Nathan Newman School of False Binaries?
You're either for the working class or for open trade?
I was trying to say that binaries are the wrong
way around this -- that some quantification is
necessary to draw any conclusions. Words have
failed me. Again.
Henwood, Perelman, DeLong and Sawicky are hovering around the ontological
argument for the expansion of trade, "as if the power of compelling
or inducing men to labour twice as much at the mills of Gaza for the
enjoyment of the Philistines, were proof of any thing but a tyranny
or an ignorance
. . .
Contra Perelman and DeLong, the assumption is not neoclassical but is a
throwback to classical political economy -- or perhaps an imperfectly
eradicated residue of the latter that has become the defining excrescence
on the former. The issue at stake is trade -- not simply foreign trade --
I am not usually included as part of the four horsemen of the apocolypse, but
let me see if the good sandwichman and myself are on the same page. In the
time of classical political economy, the luminaries of the day despaired
because the working-class did not show any indication that they might
Max, what theory/empirical evidence lays behind your statement:
the wage of the 'guy in the auto plant' is crucial
in putting upward pressure on labor standards in general.
I've just started to do research on the spillover (or lack of spillover) of
wage increases (decreases) from one
Evidence we don't need no stinkin evidence . . .
On the theory side, the simple idea that if a person
with given skills can suitably perform the duties of
an auto worker or sandwich man, there is some
pressure on employers to offer more similar wages
than otherwise (lower for the auto maker,
Max Sawicky wrote:
Evidence we don't need no stinkin evidence . . .
On the theory side, the simple idea that if a person
with given skills can suitably perform the duties of
an auto worker or sandwich man, there is some
pressure on employers to offer more similar wages
than otherwise
Max Sawicky wrote:
Nobody does more on non-standard work arrangements than
we do. Ditto the minimum wage.
Yes, you do. EPI does lots of great stuff, and I'm a big fan of all
you folks. Maybe your latest hire, Heather Boushey - who starts
today, right? - will prod a bit of a rethink of the
. . . Service sector workers, who are by far a majority of the U.S.
working class, may well gain from trade. I don't see any evidence
that EPI's trade work ever considers this as a possibility. Doug
What gain would that be?
Average hourly wage, service sector
(not incl. 'protective' svcs.)
Max Sawicky wrote:
Average hourly wage, service sector
(not incl. 'protective' svcs.)
$1999
19731979 1989 19951999
male 10.69 10.02 8.63 8.19 8.53
female7.838.08 7.45 7.39 7.70
From State of Working America, 2000-2001 (forthcoming)
I suppose
CC: . . . Given any collection of quantities (a, b, c, d . . .) it is a
tautology that one can equate any one of them with unity, then express each
quantity in terms of the selected one. Hence one could, for example, take
the average wage of bank window clerks as unity and express every other
Re exchange between Doug and Max:
Doug: ". . . Service sector workers, who are by far a majority of the U.S.
working class, may well gain from trade."
Max: "What gain would that be?"
The single most important determinant of real wages of service workers is
likely the minimum wage. If
.
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Evidence we don't need no stinkin evidence
BDL's new piece on Nader is civil enough, but it got me to thinking about a point that
has come up before -- the business of comparing consumer benefits to worker losses in
trade debates. Henwood brought this up (once) and provoked in me the realization that
the logic of this exercise
BDL's new piece on Nader is civil enough, but it got me to thinking
about a point that has come up before -- the business of comparing
consumer benefits to worker losses in trade debates. Henwood
brought this up (once) and provoked in me the realization that the
logic of this exercise
Not long after Jevons et al. formulated neoclassical economics, political
commentators began to tell workers that they should evaluate their
situation in terms of rising levels of consumption rather than their
working conditions.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State
Louis Proyect wrote:
And I saw an ad on televison the other night. Highly professional and
effective--attacks the Democrats and Republicans equally as fat cats. His
adman apparently ran Jesse Ventura's ad campaign.
Bill Hillsman is his name; also did Wellstone. For a scan of his wild
crazy
Can you sign me off or put my account in suspension for a couple of weeks? I'm going
on holiday. Thanks. --jks
In a message dated Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:12:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Michael
Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I just saw the Nader ad on Slate. It should be quite effective
I just saw the Nader ad on Slate. It should be quite effective.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
And I saw an ad on televison the other night. Highly professional and
effective--attacks the Democrats and Republicans equally as fat cats. His
adman apparently ran Jesse Ventura's ad campaign. Doing it for free or low
cost I believe. Meanwhile Nader is going to support the CWA strike, attend
I stole this from the LBO list
[From the current Village Voice.]
Press Clips
by Cynthia Cotts
The Timess Crusade Against Ralph Nader:
Krugman Takes On 'Seattle Man'
Has The New York Times unleashed a pissing match between Paul Krugman,
its
op-ed columnist and cheerleader for globalization
PLEASE FORWARD TO OTHER LISTS/ INDIVIDUALS
Hey Everyone,
There will be a "Labor for Nader" fund raiser at the apartment of Sean
Sweeney and Gloria Mattera on Sunday, August 6, 3:00 p.m. - 6:00 p.m.
The address is 437 2nd St. in Brooklyn. Take the F train to 7th Ave or
the D/Q to Fla
New York Times, July 23, 2000
THE GREEN PARTY
Nader Talks, Labor Listens and Many Democrats Worry
By STEVEN GREENHOUSE
COLUMBUS, Ohio, July 22 -- Ralph Nader was on a tear, railing against chief
executives' salaries, the corporate-dominated campaign finance system and
cuts in factory
New York Times Op-Ed, July 23, 2000
RECKONINGS / By PAUL KRUGMAN
Saints and Profits
And was I the only person who shuddered when Mr. Nader declared that if he
were president, he wouldn't reappoint Alan Greenspan -- he would
"re-educate" him?
OOOh, the red-bait
Here's Katha Pollitt's remarks in response to a question about her
latest column in _The Nation_. Yoshie
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:26:50 +
From: Katha Pollitt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I might vote for Nader after all, or not vote. I guess I don't get
exactly what a vote
es is also idealist in nature. Instead of paying attention to
union interest in the Nader campaign as a sign of motion in the ranks, they
dwell on Nader's speeches as if speeches change history. In reality
revolutions only partially involve conscious action; more significant are
the powerful mass mob
the following, from the most recent issue of the L.A. WEEKLY may be of
interest:
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/00/32/cover-meyerson.shtml (article on Nader)
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/00/32/cover-meyerson2.shtml (interview with Nader)
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu
It is not quite true that the so-called US Labor Party has no candidiates-
It does--99% Democrats! This LP is no labor independence from capitals
parties
at all. It is financed 95% by the AFL trade unions and they are recruiting
sergeants for
the campaign of Gore % Co. (differences on NAFTA,
neil wrote:
It is not quite true that the so-called US Labor Party has no candidiates-
It does--99% Democrats! This LP is no labor independence from capitals
parties
at all. It is financed 95% by the AFL trade unions and they are recruiting
sergeants for
the campaign of Gore % Co.
"neil":
The LP acts as a political filter to keep escaping workers from fleeing
the Democrats
deceit and lies and building an anti-capitalist movement
Whenever I read stuff like this, I am drawn back to Trotsky's description
of the July Days, when Bolsheviks went out in the streets to try
point of information on the Greens-Mexico ;
The Greens Party of Mexico have also been practicing their brand of
'pragmatism'
(in politics a very bourgeois method of their dirty work) .
Oh yes, true, they were opposed to the corrupt PRI bandits --but their
pro-capitalist opposition
put them
I think Neil's analogy was appropriate. What is your point anyway?
Mine
What kind of analogy was yours anyway ? Comparing the AFL's Labor fakers
Party corral
in 2000 to the Bolsheviks clever mass tactics of 1917? On July 4, a lot
of people do get tanked up.
So we'll forgive you
At 23:49 02/07/00 -0400, you wrote:
Mark:
Your argument is seriously marred by the notion of Nader as a political
detour. The implication is that in his absence, the mass anger would
assume a more acceptable form. I believe in critical support of Nader, but
I reject both of your premises
that in this
election--unlike every other back to 1980 (Barry Commoner), someone who is
anti-corporate is getting some media attention. In this setting, the American
electoral system is both a barrier and facilitator. In a state where the vote
is tight, a Nader
vote would prompt much more hand
electoral system is both a barrier and facilitator. In a state where the vote
is tight, a Nader
vote would prompt much more hand-wringing. I live in New York, however, and if
Gore doesn't win New York, Bush is a shoo-in any way. So for me, and for others
in states with large Gore leads
(Reform) and Nader (Green), I doubt that
anyone will get more than a couple of hundred thousand votes.
Joel Blau
Rod Hay wrote:
Do the other minority parties like the Labor Party, etc., have presidential
candidates? And who are they?
Rod
Joel Blau wrote:
Two points:
1) I agree--I don't
Rod Hay wrote:
Do the other minority parties like the Labor Party, etc., have presidential
candidates? And who are they?
The Labor Party, much to the chagrin of many members, refuses to run
any candidates yet, thinking it best to build a membership-based
party first.
Doug
At 03:22 PM 7/3/00 -0400, you wrote:
Among the
minor parties, however, besides Buchanan (Reform) and Nader (Green), I
doubt that
anyone will get more than a couple of hundred thousand votes.
one weird thing is that the more Buchanan looks successful at getting votes
("stealing"
David, where I was wrong in the way I answered Lou, and I've been thinking
about it for hours, was in the absurdly uncomradely way I dismissied Nader -
uncomradely to Lou, that is. If he feels and people I respect feels there is
some point to promoting Nader, then it's crass for someone to arrive
Yes, I used the wrong tone in speaking of Nader.
Let us hope you are right about him.
Mark Jones
http://www.egroups.com/group/CrashList
Mark Jones
http://www.egroups.com/group/CrashList
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as rivals. Even when
Lenin urged support for reformist electoral parties, he couched this in
terms of the way a rope supports a hanging man. Needless to say, this
outlook would almost condemn Marxists to irrelevancy when a genuine
electoral initiative like the Nader campaign emerges. Unless
On Sat, Jul 01, 2000 at 10:51:40PM +0100, Mark Jones wrote:
Just like telling
people to abandon all doubt "commit their heart and soul", fall glumly
silent, and then give their all for some dubious creep like Ralph Nader, in
fact
A Few of Nader's Favorite Stats (from alternet.org)
According to Nader, the top 1 percent of the richest Americans have wealth
equal to the combined wealth of 95 percent of other Americans: "It used to
be said a rising economic tide lifts all boats. Now a rising economic tide
lifts all y
: [PEN-L:20059] The Nader campaign, part two: the Green Party
Since the Green Party US, like many other such parties, would probably not
exist if it had not been for the example of the German Greens, it would be
useful to examine the original. [snipped]
by the
shadowy New Alliance Party cult that operates now in the Reform Party. It
is, therefore, not too surprising that some of the same elements now seem
to be operating in a loose alliance with the Nader forces today.
Louis Proyect
The Marxism mailing-list: http://www.marxmail.org
Rather than arising from a powerful mass movement like
the Burgeriniativen, the American Greens represented the efforts of
scattered activists to get something off the ground in very difficult
objective circumstances. Also, rather than attempting to form a national
organization at the
Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/06/00 12:54PM
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 6/5/00 6:25:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Oh yes, the propertied minority needs vigorous protection against the
masses. Just ask Madison, Federalist #10.
I was thinking
wasn't the ratification of the original Bill of Rights a response to
grass-roots rumblings (e.g., Shay's rebellion) rather than leaping
full-grown from the crania of the founding fathers? (BTW, why is it so
common to refer to the latter as the "founders"? They were all males,
weren't
Thanks for the clarification, Mine, I'll bear it in mind.
Mark Jones
http://www.egroups.com/group/CrashList
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In a message dated Tue, 6 Jun 2000 4:42:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "M A Jones"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Justin, you have a way of telling me things I already know while not
answering the real point, which is about your strange affection for the
glorious 'C' especially the notably
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 6/5/00 6:25:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Oh yes, the propertied minority needs vigorous protection against the
masses. Just ask Madison, Federalist #10.
I was thinking more of the 14th Amendment, due process, equal
At 12:54 PM 6/6/00 -0400, you wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 6/5/00 6:25:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Oh yes, the propertied minority needs vigorous protection against the
masses. Just ask Madison, Federalist #10.
I was thinking more of the
On Tue, 6 Jun 2000, Jim Devine wrote:
and even when we got the 14th, wasn't it interpreted to allow the rise of
joint-stock corporations at the same time that Jim Crow laws were allowed
to take hold?
Worse, it was specifically interpreted not to include the right of the
federal government
At 01:20 PM 6/6/00 -0400, you wrote:
That is why the 1964 Civil Rights Act was authorized under the Commerce
Clause rather than the 14th Amendment, ...
the Commerce Clause refers to the role of the US federal government in
regulating interstate commerce (from the original constitution), right?
On Tue, 6 Jun 2000, Jim Devine wrote:
At 01:20 PM 6/6/00 -0400, you wrote:
That is why the 1964 Civil Rights Act was authorized under the Commerce
Clause rather than the 14th Amendment, ...
the Commerce Clause refers to the role of the US federal government in
regulating interstate
I have seen this before - the connection between the 14th amendment and
the rise of joint-stock corporations. Anybody care to explain this for me?
Thanks, Ellen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
At 01:20 PM 6/6/00 -0400, you wrote:
That is why the 1964 Civil Rights Act
Even aside from the examples of Debs Gompers jailed for
'anti-trust' violation, don't anti-monopoly efforts tend to have
anti-union effects? Higher wages for union members, to a certain
extent, must come from higher profits of oligopoly or monopoly. More
competition, lower wages, no?
Here are some of my notes on the subject. The people on the econ. history list
tell me that all of this is too dated to be take seriously.
Hacker, Louis, M. 1940. The Triumph of American Capitalism: The Development
of Forces in American History to the End of the Nineteenth Century (New
the Commerce Clause refers to the role of the US federal government in
regulating interstate commerce (from the original constitution), right?
when was it reinterpreted in a relatively progressive way? what were the
political forces and struggles behind that reinterpretation?
This was the
It's two things, really. In the late 19th century the Supreme Court said that
corporations were persons for the purposes of the 14th amendment (they still are).
That means they are entitled to equal protection and due process. Then, in the 1890s,
a laissez-faire Court started to interpret the
I have seen this before - the connection between the 14th amendment and
the rise of joint-stock corporations. Anybody care to explain
this for me?
Thanks, Ellen
"The court does not wish to hear argument on the question whether the
provision in the
jks:
TJ was at best ambivalent about the Constitution.
so you've gone *from* saying he didn't signing constitution (which I
pointed out he couldn't have done because he wasn't in Philly...btw:
my friend Bobbie, big fan of radical Jefferson, didn't sign document
either) *to* saying he
ized by grass-roots pressure. Of
course, they will also press to attain their own goals, so there is good
reason for those taking part in the "street heat" to fear substitutionism,
the substitution of the lobbyists and lawyers for the movement.
None of this says that we should condemn Nader
What did I do to make you think I would disagree with this? --jks
This distinction (reform through established channels vs. yelling in the
streets) is a false dichotomy. The two are connected and interact with each
other.
itarianism of the C that is precisely
its glory, in providing discrete and insular minorities a defense against
majoritarianian oppression. --jks
1) Re. lobbying, I didn't express opposition to it per se (nor reform for
that matter), I cited it as one part of overall Nader 'reform from above'
str
Michael Hoover wrote:
2) Re. anti-monopoly efforts, I wrote that they were generally ineffective.
As for Sherman Anti-trust Act, only in few cases was legislation vigorously
enforced. Supreme Court blocked attempt to break up monopoly on sugar
manufacture (*U. S. v E. C. Knight Co.*, 1895),
1) Re. lobbying, I didn't express opposition to it per se (nor reform for
that matter),
Good.
Nader's his phalanx of inter-locked
groups are 'staff organizations' in which professionals conduct most
activities and members are called upon to pay dues and be 'mobilized'
('astroturf
Unions are expressly exempted from the provisions of the Sherman Act. Otherwise they
would indeed be a conspiracy in restraint of trade, as they were treated by the 19th
century courts. --jks
Even aside from the examples of Debs Gompers jailed for
'anti-trust' violation, don't anti-monopoly
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The comments about Jefferson and the Constitution are almost too silly to
discuss. J was no great fan of the C, which he did not sign precisely because
of its comparative conservatism, And as for the anti-majoritarainsim od the
C, and especially the Bill of Rights, is
discrete and insular minorities protected by the "C" were/are who
exactly? Blacks? American Indians? Women? Hispanics? Bankers?
Mark Jones
http://www.egroups.com/group/CrashList
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The comments about Jefferson and the Constitution are almost too silly to
discuss. J
nts are seeking to recruit out of your coalitions.
Why does Nader say in an interview he has been working in a coalition with
Buchanan and his advisors for years, when you, Lori Wallach, and Joan
Claybrook continue to deny it? And this goes back years to the days of the
right/left coalition that r
Mark,
I would never put blacks, Indians, women and hispanics in the same
equation with bankers. they are the victim, not the oppresssor..
Mine
discrete and insular minorities protected by the "C" were/are who
exactly? Blacks? American Indians? Women? Hispanics? Bankers?
Mark Jones
Silly Me:
As for Sherman Anti-trust Act, only in few cases was legislation
vigorously
enforced. Supreme Court blocked attempt to break up monopoly on sugar
manufacture (*U. S. v E. C. Knight Co.*, 1895), claiming that interstate
commerce covered only 'transportation' of goods, not
In a message dated 6/5/00 6:25:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Oh yes, the propertied minority needs vigorous protection against the
masses. Just ask Madison, Federalist #10.
I was thinking more of the 14th Amendment, due process, equal protection,
that sort of
In a message dated 6/5/00 6:34:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
discrete and insular minorities protected by the "C" were/are who
exactly? Blacks? American Indians? Women? Hispanics? Bankers?
The phrase is from the famous (to Americal lawyers) footnote 4 of the 1939
this back to Nader. I would suggest that a third
party campaign should be measured by the kind of organizing
it forces upon those involved in the campaign. And above all
else, the campaign must force whoever supports it to take
a strong position on race -- and under current conditions that
means
In a message dated 6/5/00 7:54:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Mark,
I would never put blacks, Indians, women and hispanics in the same
equation with bankers. they are the victim, not the oppresssor..
Mine
Mine, you really are irony proof. Go syeep yourself in
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