Protest Yahoo Sponsorship of Racist/FascistGroups

>>> Doug Henwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 02/19/00 03:49PM >>> Charles Brown wrote: >You can find a lot of people who'd say exactly the same thing about >"Stalinists" or even "Marxists." They'd be as happy to censor you as >the would some pig in a sheet, maybe happier. > > > >CB: They al

Re: Protest Yahoo Sponsorship of Racist/FascistGroups

> >It is difficult to impossible to believe that Yahoo cannot understand that >these groups violate the very Terms Of Service that Yahoo imposes on these >"clubs." These terms state that "You agree to not use the Service to: a. >upload, post, email or otherwise transmit any Content that is unlawfu

Re: Protest Yahoo Sponsorship of Racist/FascistGroups

>>> Paul Kneisel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 02/19/00 10:45AM >> Thanks, but those of us tracking fascists don't need them on Yahoo to perform our work. Nor do we need to tolerate a (very small) lynch mob to educate people about the Klan or a small Nazi death camp to educate about Auschwitz. To return

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On Behalf Of Paul Kneisel > Laws on group criminal libel mean that someone who writes "All Elbonians > sexually molest their children" can be arrested and if convicted undergo > the same civil penalties but go to jail as well. How about "Turks have oppressed Kurds", which has led to massive rep

Re: Protest Yahoo Sponsorship of Racist/FascistGroups

>>> "Nathan Newman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 02/20/00 08:43AM Charles dismisses free speech, citing McCarthyism, but while a number of Communists were jailed, the Supreme Court did eventually declare most of the attempted deportations (cases centered on Harry Bridges) and convictions void on First Am

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The latest anti-fascist protest against Yahoo for providing free organizing tools for fascists on the net has led a number of people to question certain legal issues and others to ask for specific documents concerning the illegality of fascism. The ARCHIVES at have

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Earlier, people on the PEN-L list asked what the economic aspect of the story was. In essence, more portal services equals more users equals greater ad revenue. INTERNET PROVIDERS LOOK FOR PROFIT IN FREE ACCESS The free-access movement has many wondering whether companies will be able to effectiv

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In a message dated 00-02-16 23:15:01 EST, you write: << On the Yahoo issue. I don't want the state to come down on thought crimes, but that shouldn't stop tallpaul and his comrades from harassing any fascists they find. >> Why does it get the state involved, esxcept in the most attenuated wa

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In a message dated 00-02-17 13:16:10 EST, you write: << I think that the problem for many (some?) (one?) of us is that we tend to view Yahoo not as a private firm but as a creator and maintainer of public space in which _Areopagitica_ should rule. Thus "abusive... vulgar, obscene... invasiv

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Hi I have just subscribed to PEN-L. I am not sure why Protest Yahoo is being discussed on a list that is supposed to be devoted to political economy. Having said that, I would like to endorse the views expressed by Nathan Newman. If this particular attempt to censor the internet continues I h

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I don't have much faith in the bourgeois state either. But since the only way to protect left "speech" is to develop a mass left movement, I seriously doubt that "fighting fascists" on the Web is the way to go about it. The notion of a small left engaged in glorious combat with small right

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Michael Perelman wrote: > Rod Hay wrote: > > > [snip] > > It is also distressing to see self-proclaimed Marxist arguing for the > > sovereignty of the bourgeois state. > > Who said that? I guess Rod thinks I did. But to respond would simply be to reopen the whole debate over the Balkan War. I

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Whenever a corp. does anything progressive; e.g., domestic partner benefits, it comes under right wing pressure. Sears is discontinuing Benneton because of its anti-death penalty ads. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 00-02-16 23:15:01 EST, you write: > > << On the Yahoo issue. I do

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Charles Brown wrote: >But unfortunately even in the serious world , the ACLU is absurd on >this issue. Suppose the Nazis' various speeches and advocacies >succeed. That would be the end of freedom of speech. The ACLU , arch >defenders of freedom of speech, defend the right of Nazis to try to

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>P.S.: Take a look at: http://www.theonion.com/onion3211/acludefends.html >"ACLU Defends Nazis' Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" > > > >CB: That's a good joke cite. > > >But unfortunately even in the serious world , the ACLU is absurd on >this issue. Suppose the Nazis' various sp

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>On Behalf Of David McMullen > I am not sure why Protest Yahoo is being discussed on a list that > is supposed to be devoted to > political economy. > > Having said that, I would like to endorse the views expressed by > Nathan Newman. If this particular > attempt to censor the internet continues

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I'm taken by many of the sentiments in Joel Blau's post, included below for reference. However, I think most of us involved in the anti-fascist protest against Yahoo already know, and agree, with many of the points he raised. Here's what we published on our web site concerning this exact issue.

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Here's some new anti-imperialist slogans: Hands off Pinochet! Self-determination for Chile! No to the rule of international capitalist law! Reductio, I'd like you to meet my friend Absurdum. Can states rights be far behind? . . . Clinton/Gore are worse than the Repugs; Dubya doesn't want to

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Charles Brown wrote: >You can find a lot of people who'd say exactly the same thing about >"Stalinists" or even "Marxists." They'd be as happy to censor you as >the would some pig in a sheet, maybe happier. > > > >CB: They already have. Remember McCarthyism, the Palmer Raids, Mr. >J

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> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Nathan Newman > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 5:03 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [PEN-L:16581] RE: RE: Re: Protest Yahoo Sponsorship of > Racist/FascistGroups > >

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To return to fundamentals: the central issue is to protest Yahoo's actions. That out of the way: Various governments act in a way that can informally be called "outlawing fascism." But the formal legal -- and therefore both the practical and ethical -- reality is different. The major legal noti