Re: nader goes southwest

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/10/04 10:01 PM >>> Nader Presidential Campaign Announces Southwest Airlines as its Unofficial Campaign Airline Nader had a good word for Southwest Airlines founder, Herb Kelleher. <> wonder what nader thinks of kelleher's $47,500 to rep national committee this year

Re: Nader/Camejo

the radio news says that Ralph Nader has chosen Peter Camejo as his vice-presidential running mate. Camejo is good, but I don't think they should start measuring the White House for new carpets yet... They couldn't afford it anyway --there's so much crap swept under the current rug it will take a r

Re: Nader the Condorcet Winner in 2000

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/27/2004 2:17:18 PM >>> That Ralph Nader turned out to be the Condorcet Winner in 2000 shows how unusual the 2000 election was, according to Bruce C. Burden: One of the most stringent methods of selecting a candidate was proposed by the Marquis de Condorcet more than 200 yea

Re: Nader the Condorcet Winner in 2000

of course, the main parties won't change the current electoral system as long as they both think they gain from it (and there's no serious pressure on them to change). So don't expect Condorcet's criterion to apply in practice. Jim D. -Original Message- From: Yoshie Fu

Re: Nader at 12% says Oz

What is this guy's programme? -- Yoshie * Bring Them Home Now! * Calendars of Events in Columbus: , , & * Stud

Re: Nader Drawing 7% (Camejo Takes the Lead/Green Party Likes Nader)

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/17/04 7:51 AM >>> Nader is now "drawing 7 percent of the votes" in a "nationwide telephone poll of 1,206 adults, including 984 registered voters . . . taken from last Wednesday through Sunday" (Adam Nagourney and Janet Elder, "Nation's Direction Prompts Voters' Concern, Pol

Re: Nader

Louis wrote I was no Dean supporter, but at least with Dean you would have had a fight. Kerry is just too much of a centrist and a patrician to really mix it up. It seems to me that Kerry's anti-war activities in the early 70's was a safe "deviation into sense", to steal from Alexander Pope. D

Re: Nader

I was able to catch him in Middleburg VA at the founding of the Associated State Green Parties in 1996, and in Sacramento and Chico CA in 2000. He's very compelling, funny and scholarly, in my opinion. When he's finished, you get the sense it is only because time ran out, not because he ran out of

Re: Nader & the Green Party (Maybe they should start calling him "angry")

I think the problem with Nader's stance is that he's "against the corporations" but that conceptualisation or theme is unlikely to be successful, it's essentially no different than being "against the public service". J.

Re: Nader & the Green Party (Maybe they should start calling him "angry")

Fyi- Why Ralph is running Statement will be released at 10:00 a.m. EST on February 23, 2004 Live at Press Conference; Watch CSPAN-2 . Check back here at that time for copy of the text. http://www.votenader.org/ -jon From: PEN-L l

Re: US tax dollars NOT at work (was re: Nader)

You might ask, if IT Group has so much trouble filling the work it's been contracted for, how in the freak does it get so many contracts. I wish I had no idea, though knowing what I know about Carlyle Group holdings, it seems pretty obvious: insider connections, perhaps even phone calls from forme

US tax dollars NOT at work (was re: Nader)

I'm sure Sawicky will want to discuss the House of Harkonnen or the BEIC or something, but just to back up my point about the overall inefficiencies of letting companies fill government services, at least the American way, let's just start with Carlyle Group's IT Group (recently sold to Shaw Group

Re: Nader

"Max Sawicky" > > The object of Nader's critique is spending programs that > provide public subsidies to > corporations. I don't necessarily buy his position, but > it's a perfectly respectable left statement. This stuff, > incidentally, is a very small part of the budget. The > tax breaks are

RE: Nader

> http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/mar2001/nad-m30.shtml > What is your assessment of this article from the Fourth > International? The object of Nader's critique is spending programs that provide public subsidies to corporations. I don't necessarily buy his position, but it's a perfectly resp

Re: Nader, a FellowTraveler

> Yes, Sabri, > > You make a good point to relate Nader to today's > anarchists. It was not my intention at all. Moreover, if the left anarchists hear what you said and think that I did that, they would view this socialist friend of theirs a traitor, something I am not. They have resisted the Nad

RE: Re: Nader

#x27;s a Platonic Form out there called "the Leftist" which phenomena leftists are imperfect reflections of. JD -Original Message- From: Sabri Oncu To: PEN-L Sent: 4/1/02 5:06 PM Subject: [PEN-L:24554] Re: Nader > Charles: Howabout the Left includes Communists, > Socialists

Re: Nader

> Charles: Howabout the Left includes Communists, > Socialists and Left Liberals. Charles, Why are you excluding the anarchists? They are an important part of the Left in my view. Apart from that, as Jim said and I agree, "political definitions are not only hard to make but are political footbal

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Nader

> > >"[Nader] would not advocate public ownership of > >productive assets. . . . > >Well, some, maybe, but virtually all? > > >Not nearly all. Nader is no socialist. >I presume perhaps wrongly that 'left' is a broader >category than 'socialist.' > Of course. I was talking about what his views we

RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Nader

>"[Nader] would not advocate public ownership of >productive assets. . . . Well, some, maybe, but virtually all? I mean Do you think he'd support nationalizing all corporations above a certain low level, treating the mines and the factories and fields and offices as belonging to the government an

Re: Nader

I know about Arnold. My point was merely that the trustbusters had a very different analysis of the cause of the Depression than the corporatists. They believed that the large corporations cut production and kept prices high causing the Depression to be as destructive as it was. Who brought up

Re: Nader 31 March 2002 19:37 UTC

Greetings Economists, Ellen F writes, Really? Is that what "leftist"means? I'm not sure I would support such a platform, not given the realities of political corruption in the US and the experience of large-scale state ownership in Russia. How exactly would you sell this vision to the America

Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Nader

Really? Is that what "leftist"means? I'm not sure I would support such a platform, not given the realities of political corruption in the US and the experience of large-scale state ownership in Russia. How exactly would you sell this vision to the American public? Ellen [EMAIL PROTECTED] w

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Nader

Justin Schwartz wrote: > > But Judge Arnold was no fan of unmbridged free markets. Have you head his > The Folklore of Capitalism? A wonderful book. As I said, trust-busting isn't > the same idea as the current Stevens-Bork-Posner line that antitrsutis just > about efficiency. > I stumbled ac

Re: RE: Re: Re: Nader

> >untrue. > >http://www.tap.org/ > >mbs > > > >"[Nader] would not advocate public ownership of >productive assets. . . . > Well, some, maybe, but virtually all? I mean Do you think he'd support nationalizing all corporations above a certain low level, treating the mines and the factories and

Re: Re: Re: Re: Nader

> >There were two lines in the New Deal. The corporatists were not dominant >at first -- the Thurman Arnold, trust-busting line, was. The idea was >that corporate power caused the Depression by keeping prices high and >curtailing output. > But Judge Arnold was no fan of unmbridged free markets

RE: Re:: Nader

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RE: Re: Re: Re: Nader

fROM A WEBPG. ON aLAN bRINKLEY Michael Pugliese >...The End of Reform discusses the erosion of the New Deal after the 1937 recession and the experience of World War II. Brinkley notes how FDR, a consummate pragmatist, had held no design for recovery but rather relied on "bold experimentalism"

Re: Re: Re: Nader

There were two lines in the New Deal. The corporatists were not dominant at first -- the Thurman Arnold, trust-busting line, was. The idea was that corporate power caused the Depression by keeping prices high and curtailing output. On Sun, Mar 31, 2002 at 02:29:55PM +, Justin Schwartz wrote

RE: Re: Re: Nader

untrue. http://www.tap.org/ mbs "[Nader] would not advocate public ownership of productive assets. . . .

Re: Re: Nader

. > > > > Nader is sort of a New Deal (FDR) liberal who used to believe in >competitive > > markets, anti-trust, and some kinds of deregulation (e.g., breaking up >the > > Civil Aeronautics Administration and the Interstate Commerce Commission, >the > > old government cartels in airlines and gr

Re: Re: Nader

In his _Exit, Voice, and Loyalty_, Hirschman places Nader's campaigns in the EVL approach. Mohammad Maljoo >From: Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [PEN-L:24485] Re: Nader >Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 19:59

Re: Nader

Jim's Thurmon Arnold comparison is very apt. On Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 07:51:50PM -0800, Devine, James wrote: > [was: RE: [PEN-L:24482] Re: FW: Krugman] > > Sabri asks: >Here is a question to our American friends: Is Ralph Nader is a > leftist?< > > it's a matter of definition and political defin

Re: Nader/Gore

Who is to say the IF Nader had not run, Gore wouldn't have performed even worse in the campaign? There was no major third party candidate in the 1988 election and Dukakis lost all by himself. There is every bit as much reason to believe that Nader was a burr in Gore's saddle that made him run hard

Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: nader 3?

No. William F. Buckley offered it to her, but she said she has had enough embarassment with the Royal Family in the tabloids lately. she doesn't need any more. Thenk yew veddy much. --jks > >Speaking of which, is there any truth to the rumor that because the US >can't govern itself, the Queen

Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: nader 3?

Brad wrote: > I've never understood the whole "things are bad, so let's make them worse!" meme...< isn't that the slogan of the IMF? or is it "things are so bad for the wealthy, let's make them worse for the working people"? Speaking of which, is there any truth to the rumor that because the U

RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: nader 3?

> > I've never understood the whole "things are bad, so let's make them > worse!" meme... > > > Brad DeLong *** I've never understood the unsurpassable predictive prowess of economists in all socio-politico-economic matters that exhibit greater complexity than atmospheric chemistry.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: nader 3?

> Like you >I worked in DC. I watched the rewrite of the Clean Air Act become a tragedy >foisted on the US citizenry by lawyers on K Street doin' the revolving door >thang on Capitol Hill, arguably the real cause [along with the arrogance of >the Big 3 "catering" to the consumer choice of a publi

Re: Re: Nader 3? Blaming who?

I quoted Hitchens: > >It's not enough that the two-party machine has all the > >money at its disposal and all the press and media, too. It still needs > >courageous volunteers to ram its message home. These unctuous surrogates > >seek to persuade us that, though we have no power, we can and should

Re: Re: Nader 3? Blaming who?

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 7:55 PM Subject: [PEN-L:4150] Re: Nader 3? Blaming who? > - Original Message - > From: "Jim Devine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >It's not enough that the two-party machine

Re: Re: Nader 3? Blaming who?

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > Nathan: > > >The continual evasion by Nader and other Green supporters for the results of > >their leadership and actions is incredibly distressing on that point. Nathan, do all voters to the left of Calvin Coolidge belong to you Democrats by devine right or something

Re: Nader 3? Blaming who?

Nathan: >The continual evasion by Nader and other Green supporters for the results of >their leadership and actions is incredibly distressing on that point. I far >prefer Carroll forthright joy in undercutting Gore -- at least that is taking >responsibility that others can evaluate and decide is

Re: Re: Re: Re: nader 3?

SUVs? The fact that the American Petroleum Institute ate Gore for lunch in the fight over the BTU tax in 1993? You can say that Gore didn't try hard enough for taxes on emissions. But you can't say that he didn't try. And you can't blame dirtier air in Portland-Seattle over the past eight years

RE: Re: Nader 3? Blaming who?

Nader and his supporters had the power to throw the election to Bush. That is very real power. I have frankly urged that since the Greens have exercised that power, they should now take advantage of it to promote a radical change in the electoral college in favor of ranked voting or i

Re: Nader 3? Blaming who?

- Original Message - From: "Jim Devine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >It's not enough that the two-party machine has all the >money at its disposal and all the press and media, too. It still needs >courageous volunteers to ram its message home. These unctuous surrogates >seek to persuade us that,

Re: Nader 3? Blaming who?

In his series of pro-Gore flames [*], Brad wrote: >If you think there's no difference between a Clinton-Gore EPA and a >Bush-Cheny EPA you need to have your brain overhauled. One nice thing about the US election being over (and I really, really wish it were) is that we won't have to read or he

Re: Nader 3? Blaming who?

> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/08/00 09:34AM > > >the biggest display of political incompetence I have >seen this fall, save for the way that Al Gore has run his campaign... > >( > >CB: Do you think Gore should have stuck with the one what brought >him to the dance, Clinton ? No. I thin

Re: Re: Re: Nader 3? Blaming who?

>Brad, > I'm going to repeat my comments to Michael >Perelman earlier. I suspect that a Bush-Cheney >EPA will not be all that much worse than a Gore- >Lieberman one, although probably marginally so. "Perhaps"? "Perhaps"? And as I said, if you think the issues are important, then marginal

Re: Re: Re: Re: nader 3?

>BDL>>If you think there's no difference between a Clinton-Gore EPA and a >Bush-Cheny EPA you need to have your brain overhauled. > >Why is it that the people who claim to care the most about issues so >often turn out to care the least about them? > > >Brad DeLong > >* > >Why has the air i

Re: Re: Nader 3? Blaming who?

make. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Brad De Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 1:25 AM Subject: [PEN-L:4088] Re: Nader 3? Blaming who? >> >If you think there's no difference between a

Re: Re: Re: Re: Nader 3? Blaming who?

>To demonstrate your immense weakness and inability to mobilize voters >while at the same time working against your own substantive political >positions is the biggest display of political incompetence I have >seen this fall, save for the way that Al Gore has run his campaign... Bollocks, Bra

Re: Re: Nader 3? Blaming who?

G'day Ricardo, You point out: >...and there's no contradition stating that Nader had every right to >stay 'till the end (and to have participated in the debates) and >concluding, if only at the last minute, that since Nader's campaign >was going nowhere, and since the Gore-Bush campaign was s

Re: Nader 3? Blaming who?

> Face it: your faction fucked up bigtime. You thought that you could > demonstrate the mass voting power of the American left without > swinging the election to the right-wing candidate. ...and there's no contradition stating that Nader had every right to stay 'till the end (and to have pa

Re: Re: Re: Nader 3? Blaming who?

>Sorry, I don't think you want to listen (and this has been the larger >problem all along) and I'd rather not continue in this tone. Signing off >for now. > >PA > > > >>Why not be an adult, recognize that there is a big difference between > >a Clinton-Gore EPA and a Bush-Cheney EPA, and admit y

Re: Re: Re: nader 3?

BDL>>If you think there's no difference between a Clinton-Gore EPA and a Bush-Cheny EPA you need to have your brain overhauled. Why is it that the people who claim to care the most about issues so often turn out to care the least about them? Brad DeLong * Why has the air in the Portla

Re: Re: Re: Re: nader 3?

Brad De Long wrote: > >Just reflecting on Nader getting 3%. If Bush wins the enviros who agonized > >over the vote, and then voted for Gore will lose. They'll regret not voting > >for Nader > > > >If Gore wins, he will, with certainty, sell out the enviros, and then they'll > >regret not voti

Re: Re: Nader 3? Blaming who?

Sorry, I don't think you want to listen (and this has been the larger problem all along) and I'd rather not continue in this tone. Signing off for now. PA PS I am not a faction >You shoot yourself in the foot and then look around for someone else to blame? > >Why not be an adult, recognize that

Re: Nader 3? Blaming who?

> >If you think there's no difference between a Clinton-Gore EPA and a >>Bush-Cheny EPA you need to have your brain overhauled. > >Brad: Surely by now you have caught the point: people don't feel there is >ENOUGH of a difference If the issues are that important, then even small differences are

Re: Re: Re: nader 3?

>Just reflecting on Nader getting 3%. If Bush wins the enviros who agonized >over the vote, and then voted for Gore will lose. They'll regret not voting >for Nader > >If Gore wins, he will, with certainty, sell out the enviros, and then they'll >regret not voting for Nader. > >Many, of course, w

Re: Re: Re: nader 3?

Eugene Coyle wrote: > > Many, of course, will not comprehend that Gore has sold them out, and they'll > fume that the poor president can't get anything done, just as they have > excused Gore/Clinton for their environmental sell-out for the past eight > years. This is crucial to understand the po

Re: Re: nader 3?

Just reflecting on Nader getting 3%. If Bush wins the enviros who agonized over the vote, and then voted for Gore will lose. They'll regret not voting for Nader If Gore wins, he will, with certainty, sell out the enviros, and then they'll regret not voting for Nader. Many, of course, will not

Re: nader 3?

At 02:40 PM 11/7/00 -0800, you wrote: > What do you think of the reports that many of the Nader voters are >defecting to Gore? What a shame. If Gore wins, he will bear the >blame for the recession, showing the Democrats that they need to be >even more market friendly. don't worry about the rec

Re: Re: Nader Paradox and the odds

At 10:48 AM 11/2/00 -0500, you wrote: >Of course with these probabilities, Nader and even >Buchanan and McReynolds and Browne and Magelin >should be discussed. hey, it's Hagelin! let's give the meditators their due... BTW, I've noticed a lot of more stuff on US National Public Radio about medit

Re: Nader Paradox and the odds

ember 01, 2000 5:58 PM Subject: RE: Nader Paradox and the odds > >> >> >> > But then we have 1 in 100,000 that the race for House >> >Speaker deadlocks and it goes to the President Pro Tempore >> >of the Senate and thus STROM THURMOND IS ELECTE

Re: Nader campaign claims good poll numbers

At 09:57 AM 10/22/2000 -0700, you wrote: >The MC at the Nader rally ... claimed poll results showing Nader at ... 9% >in Connecticut. where people know Joe Lieberman well? Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~JDevine

Re: Nader on FoxNews

Michael Perelman said on 9/28/00 8:06 PM >I understand that RN will be on TV tonight. How could he be as funny as >Bush? Slate reports RN appeared on Fox News yesterday with Phil Donahue(sp) and described Bush as a corporation disguised as a human being. Sounds a little like Steve Gaskin's "

Re: Nader on Letterman

You scared me. I thought you were referring to Richard Nixon, who allegedly is tanned and rested and ready to run for office again (in Hell). Of course, Nixon was better than the current crop of politicians. At 09:06 PM 9/28/00 -0700, you wrote: >I understand that RN will be on TV tonight. Jim

RE: Nader Demands ...

Re exchange between Doug and Max: Doug: ". . . Service sector workers, who are by far a majority of the U.S. working class, may well gain from trade." Max: "What gain would that be?" The single most important determinant of real wages of service workers is likely the minimum wage. If internat

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Nader Demands Banning,Pulping ofHarry Potter

Max Sawicky wrote: >Average hourly wage, service sector >(not incl. 'protective' svcs.) >$1999 > > 19731979 1989 19951999 >male 10.69 10.02 8.63 8.19 8.53 >female7.838.08 7.45 7.39 7.70 > >>From State of Working America, 2000-2001 (forthcoming) > >I

RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Nader Demands Banning, Pulping ofHarry Potter

. . . Service sector workers, who are by far a majority of the U.S. working class, may well gain from trade. I don't see any evidence that EPI's trade work ever considers this as a possibility. Doug What gain would that be? Average hourly wage, service sector (not incl. 'protective' svcs.) $

Re: RE: Re: Re: Nader Demands Banning, Pulping ofHarry Potter

Max Sawicky wrote: >Nobody does more on non-standard work arrangements than >we do. Ditto the minimum wage. Yes, you do. EPI does lots of great stuff, and I'm a big fan of all you folks. Maybe your latest hire, Heather Boushey - who starts today, right? - will prod a bit of a rethink of the t

RE: Re: Re: Nader Demands Banning, Pulping of Harry Potter

DH . . . Max, you been studying at the Nathan Newman School of False Binaries? You're either for the working class or for open trade? I was trying to say that binaries are the wrong way around this -- that some quantification is necessary to draw any conclusions. Words have failed me. Aga

Re: Re: Nader Demands Banning, Pulping of Harry Potter

Max Sawicky wrote: >BDL's new piece on Nader is civil enough, but it got me to thinking >about a point that has come up before -- the business of comparing >consumer benefits to worker losses in trade debates. Henwood >brought this up (once) and provoked in me the realization that the >logic

Re: Re: Nader Demands Banning, Pulping of Harry Potter

Not long after Jevons et al. formulated neoclassical economics, political commentators began to tell workers that they should evaluate their situation in terms of rising levels of consumption rather than their working conditions. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State Universi

Re: Nader Demands Banning, Pulping of Harry Potter

>BDL's new piece on Nader is civil enough, but it got me to thinking >about a point that has come up before -- the business of comparing >consumer benefits to worker losses in trade debates. Henwood >brought this up (once) and provoked in me the realization that the >logic of this exercise mi

Re: Nader Demands Banning, Pulping of Harry Potter

BDL's new piece on Nader is civil enough, but it got me to thinking about a point that has come up before -- the business of comparing consumer benefits to worker losses in trade debates. Henwood brought this up (once) and provoked in me the realization that the logic of this exercise militate

Re: Nader add

Can you sign me off or put my account in suspension for a couple of weeks? I'm going on holiday. Thanks. --jks In a message dated Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:12:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: << I just saw the Nader ad on Slate. It should be quite effective.

Re: Re: Nader add

Louis Proyect wrote: >And I saw an ad on televison the other night. Highly professional and >effective--attacks the Democrats and Republicans equally as fat cats. His >adman apparently ran Jesse Ventura's ad campaign. Bill Hillsman is his name; also did Wellstone. For a scan of his wild & crazy

Re: Nader add

And I saw an ad on televison the other night. Highly professional and effective--attacks the Democrats and Republicans equally as fat cats. His adman apparently ran Jesse Ventura's ad campaign. Doing it for free or low cost I believe. Meanwhile Nader is going to support the CWA strike, attend thei

Re: Nader

> > New York Times Op-Ed, July 23, 2000 > > RECKONINGS / By PAUL KRUGMAN > > Saints and Profits > > > And was I the only person who shuddered when Mr. Nader declared that if he > were president, he wouldn't reappoint Alan Greenspan -- he would > "re-educate" him? OOOh, the red-baiting begi

Re: Re: Nader-Greens- Labor

I think Neil's analogy was appropriate. What is your point anyway? Mine > >What kind of analogy was yours anyway ? Comparing the AFL's Labor >fakers > > >Party corral > >in 2000 to the Bolsheviks clever mass tactics of 1917? On July 4, a >lot > > >of people do get tanked up. > >So we'l

Re: Nader-Greens- Labor

point of information on the Greens-Mexico ; The Greens Party of Mexico have also been practicing their brand of 'pragmatism' (in politics a very bourgeois method of their dirty work) . Oh yes, true, they were opposed to the corrupt PRI bandits --but their pro-capitalist opposition put them

Re: Re: Nader, etc (fwd)

>"neil": >>The LP acts as a political filter to keep escaping workers from fleeing >>the Democrats >>deceit and lies and building an anti-capitalist movement >Whenever I read stuff like this, I am drawn back to Trotsky's description >of the July Days, when Bolsheviks went out in the streets

Re: Re: Nader, etc

"neil": >The LP acts as a political filter to keep escaping workers from fleeing >the Democrats >deceit and lies and building an anti-capitalist movement Whenever I read stuff like this, I am drawn back to Trotsky's description of the July Days, when Bolsheviks went out in the streets to try

Re: Re: Nader, etc

neil wrote: >It is not quite true that the so-called US Labor Party has no candidiates- >It does--99% Democrats! This LP is no labor independence from capitals >parties >at all. It is financed 95% by the AFL trade unions and they are recruiting > sergeants for >the campaign of Gore %& Co. (di

Re: Nader, etc

It is not quite true that the so-called US Labor Party has no candidiates- It does--99% Democrats! This LP is no labor independence from capitals parties at all. It is financed 95% by the AFL trade unions and they are recruiting sergeants for the campaign of Gore %& Co. (differences on NAFTA,

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: = Nader

At 03:22 PM 7/3/00 -0400, you wrote: >Among the >minor parties, however, besides Buchanan (Reform) and Nader (Green), I >doubt that >anyone will get more than a couple of hundred thousand votes. one weird thing is that the more Buchanan looks successful at getting votes ("stealing" them from G

Re: Re: Re: Re: = Nader

Rod Hay wrote: >Do the other minority parties like the Labor Party, etc., have presidential >candidates? And who are they? The Labor Party, much to the chagrin of many members, refuses to run any candidates yet, thinking it best to build a membership-based party first. Doug

Re: Re: Re: Re: = Nader

By agreement, the Labor Party is not running anyone for a while. The Socialist Party is running David McReynolds, and if you dig around (perhaps someone else on pen-l knows this) I'm sure there is a web site where 10 or so others are listed. Among the minor parties, however, besides Buchanan (Refo

Re: Re: Re: = Nader

Do the other minority parties like the Labor Party, etc., have presidential candidates? And who are they? Rod Joel Blau wrote: > Two points: > > 1) I agree--I don't think it would be wise to channel all political activity > through one candidate. On the other hand, given the attenuated concept

Re: Re: = Nader

Two points: 1) I agree--I don't think it would be wise to channel all political activity through one candidate. On the other hand, given the attenuated conception of politics that most Americans hold, electoral activity assumes an excessive prominence. From this persective, it is significant tha

Re: = Nader

At 23:49 02/07/00 -0400, you wrote: >Mark: > >Your argument is seriously marred by the notion of Nader as a political >detour. The implication is that in his absence, the mass anger would >assume a more acceptable form. I believe in critical support of Nader, but >I reject both of your premises

[PEN-L:7460] Re: Nader Voters' Support for Prop 209

Nathan Newman wrote: > > > M. Sawicky wrote: > > A class appeal is the best (only?) way to overcome backward views > > on race. Otherwise you are reduced to moral preachments. You can > > try saying that race divides people to their disadvantage, but that > > presumes some larger concept that su

[PEN-L:7438] Re: Nader Voters' Support for Prop 209

On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Max B. Sawicky wrote: > > This is the trap of "class not race" anti-corporate messages. The same > > thing happened in the NAFTA debate where anti-immigrant messages easily > > penetrated the movement for fair trade. (Significantly, Nader refused to > > condemn Prop 187 a

[PEN-L:7417] Re: Nader Voters' Support for Prop 209

Nathan Newman wrote: > > . . . > In Nader's run for President, one of the most criticized aspects of his > Presidential campaign (other than his refusal to campaign) was his refusal > to publicly oppose the anti-affirmative action Prop 209. > . . . > However, the disturbing result is that 30% of

[PEN-L:5382] Re: Nader, Affirmative Action, and Lesser Evils

Doug wrote, >My objection to Nathan's original comments was that it was too easy simply >to equate a position on AA with a position on racism. Clinton, for example, >supports some kind of AA - details characteristically hazy - but he's also >the prime mover behind the current mania for welfare re

[PEN-L:5326] Re: Nader, Affirmative Action, and Lesser Evils

At 1:26 PM 7/24/96, R. Anders Schneiderman wrote: >The issue of racism is one of the central problems facing our country >today. It's also one of the central issues the Right is using to divide our >side. If Nader is going to duck it, then I don't see how anyone who >believes in social justice c

[PEN-L:5325] Re: Nader again

Jim writes: >It's just not true that the position of all third-party advocates is >that one picks someone whom you actually support. There are other >reasons. >* A vote for a third party can be seen as part of a strategy to >pressure the two-party duopoly to lean in our direction. If the >politi

[PEN-L:5324] Re: Nader, Affirmative Action, and Lesser Evils

Doug wrote, >I can't speak for Nader; his refusal to talk about "gonadal politics," as >he calls it, is also unfortunate. But I do think it's a bit of a leap to >conclude that Nader is "another White Boy on the Left who doesn't take >racism seriously." You could also argue that affirmative action

[PEN-L:5305] Re: Nader, Affirmative Action, and Lesser Evils

On Tue, 23 Jul 1996, Michael Perelman wrote: > I have trouble accepting Anders's criticisim of Nader. Nader has always > limited himself to consumer and environemntal type issues. He has never > shown much interest in foreign affairs or questions, such as gays in the > military. Neither ha

[PEN-L:5300] Re: Nader, Affirmative Action, and Lesser Evils

At 8:58 PM 7/23/96, R. Anders Schneiderman wrote: >I think Nader's position is appalling, and I find it hard to understand how >anyone can argue that voting for him is any better than voting for Clinton. >When Clinton does things that make my stomach turn, it's usually because >he's protecting hi

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