At 06:56 AM 11/13/00 -0500, you wrote:
Be it resolved:
That since everyone (US and non-US) is told incessantly that US prez is
"most powerful elected official in world"
and
That since above is unfortunately true *and* really fuckin' dangerous
Everyone, everywhere on earth has right to vote for
values
and priorities, to pull your chestnuts out of the fire. --jks
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Brad,
There's no place here for calling people incompetent
. . . What would you suggest I call this refusal to recognize that, for
the
American left, yesterday was a strong and significant defeat?
Brad DeLong
Since politics is about what people think, to
a great extent at least, the fact that the movement(s)
coalescing behind Nader have improved
The person whom I've called "incompetent" most often during the
past week has been Al Gore. I presume you have no objection to me
calling him "incompetent"? That it all depends on to whom the names
are applied?
As for Nader... You somehow think that the left in America is
stronger today
Brad, hang it up. The thing is, we don't accept your iron cage. We
don't accept defeat. We won't go away. Maybe we're mad, whether
happy or not, but you won't make nice but unhappy liberals out of us.
So you agree that for you politics is a means of self-expression,
rather than an attempt to
BDLThe political naivete of people who think that the White House is
some kind of dictatorial center of power continues to astonish me.
BDLAnd in the process he has thrown the election to the right-wing
candidate, with important differences over the next four years for
the Supreme Court... the
Since politics is about what people think, to
a great extent at least, the fact that the movement(s)
coalescing behind Nader have improved definition --
as a collectivity -- means the left is progressing. The
low Nader vote is not a great help in this vein, but it
does not detract from the
Doug asks:
Canada has an election coming up, no? Maybe you could tell us
something about that.
Doug
Well, perhaps Ken and some of the others on the list should also
put their takes on it, but here is mine.
The governing Liberals (equivalent to your Democrats) are likely to
win a
I don't translate Gitlin to 'enemy.' It just means
I expect less high-level guidance from him. He's
welcome in my movement, just not in a leadership
capacity.
mbs
I've thought Todd Gitlin was a dork for a long time. But "all enemies
on the right" does not a large movement make when you
The VP doesn't do that much, although people say that he was decisive
welfare reform. Gore was a good campaigner when he could set the
stage himself with no interaction, otherwise, he was terrible.
His strategy stunk. Few anti-clinton people would have supported him
even if he had attacked
Michael Perelman wrote:
The VP doesn't do that much, although people say that he was decisive
welfare reform.
Every member of Clinton's cabinet, including Rubin, advised he veto
the welfare bill. Only Gore Dick Morris urged him to sign it.
Doug
in the first place. From a purely selfish point of view, as well as from the
point of view of effectiveness, there's nothing there for us, isn't that
right?
--jks
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I don't translate Gitlin to 'enemy.' It just means
I expect less high-level guidance from him. He's
welcome in my movement, just not in a leadership
capacity.
mbs
I've thought Todd Gitlin was a dork for a long time. But "all enemies
on the right" does not a large movement make when you start
Michael Perelman wrote:
The VP doesn't do that much, although people say that he was decisive
welfare reform.
Every member of Clinton's cabinet, including Rubin, advised he veto
the welfare bill. Only Gore Dick Morris urged him to sign it.
Doug
I've heard this a bunch of times. But what's
Michael,
I agree. But, who would have done better aside
from Clinton himself?
Barkley Rosser
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BDLYou think that Nader's 3% showing is impressive?
**
I don't know; do you think Rosa Parks was impressive or was that too, a
one-shot prisoners dilemma type game? We won't go into, why, if N was so
ultimately empty a threat, your religious group and that other church worked
Every member of Clinton's cabinet, including Rubin, advised he veto
the welfare bill. Only Gore Dick Morris urged him to sign it.
Doug
I've heard this a bunch of times. But what's the ultimate source?
Brad DeLong
The New York Times, August 1, 1996, Thursday, Late Edition - Final
THE
Brad DeLong wrote:
I've heard this a bunch of times. But what's the ultimate source?
The person I first heard it from got it from Dick Morris' book, I
think, but someone told me last night that Peter Edelman has been
saying the same thing.
Doug
who is he. Where did this appear?
Lisa Ian Murray wrote:
BDLYou think that Nader's 3% showing is impressive?
**
I don't know; do you think Rosa Parks was impressive or was that too, a
one-shot prisoners dilemma type game? We won't go into, why, if N was so
ultimately empty a
Wellstone?
"J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." wrote:
Michael,
I agree. But, who would have done better aside
from Clinton himself?
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Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
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At 07:53 AM 11/9/00 -0800, you wrote:
You think that Nader's 3% showing is impressive?
Maybe it was impressive once you think of the fact that Nader voters were
showered by a sh*t-storm of abuse and fear-mongering. The more that Nader
seemed to be getting, the more the fear level was ratcheted
and Liberals the rest.
Our choices are if anything even more depressing on the whole than in
the US.
Cheers, Ken Hanly
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Michael,
Would be better than a lot. So might
Russ Feingold.
Barkley Rosser
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MP
who is he. Where did this appear?
Lisa Ian Murray wrote:
David Ellerman is tucked away working on firm governance issues in Eastern
Europe for the WB. He also worked closely with Stiglitz when he was there.
The quote comes from "Intellectual Trespassing as a Way of Life"
BDLYou think that Nader's 3% showing is impressive?
**
I don't know;
So in other words, you don't.
Every member of Clinton's cabinet, including Rubin, advised he veto
the welfare bill. Only Gore Dick Morris urged him to sign it.
Doug
I've heard this a bunch of times. But what's the ultimate source?
Brad DeLong
Thanks...
Brad DeLong
BDLYou think that Nader's 3% showing is impressive?
**
I don't know;
So in other words, you don't.
**
Thank you God for collapsing the unpredictability of the future with your
unsurpassable foreknowledge of 21st century political-economic history. I
realize your
Gene Debs ran as a felon.
Justin Schwartz wrote:
Manson is a convicted felon, so he can't vote. But the constitutional
qualifications for the Presidency are quite clear: you have to be 35 and
born in this country. I am pretty sure Manson meets these qualifications.
His ineligibility for the
Brad, I have no objection to calling someone off the list, whether it be
Nader or Gore. I do object to you or anybody else is being antagonistic to
people on the list.
Brad DeLong wrote:
Brad,
There's no place here for calling people
[I should have added "on the list" here]
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