[PEN-L] Tweakers in trouble...

The ultimate paranoid tweaker nightmare... Men in black from agencies of the federal government no one's even heard of, and the bright lights/loud threatening voices of a hardball interrogation. Ber dude! This story is taken from Top Nation/World News at sacbee.com. http://dwb.sacbee.co

Re: [PEN-L] Fwd: Oil that greases the palms... [Separation of Oil & State]

Resource: Oilchangeinternational. Separation of Oil & State is a campaign to get oil money out of politics. Its important that we demand that our representatives stand up for the future of energy, not for the dinosaurs of the oil industry. Type in your zip code below to find out how much oil and

[PEN-L] U.S. Left was Re: [PEN-L] Response to Stan Goff

Greetings Economists, On Oct 24, 2006, at 5:42 PM, Sabri Oncu wrote: So, I find all such debates a total waste of time. Don't you have better things to do such as trying to grow your numbers or something? Doyle; We, the left includes you Sabri. Don't quite know why you say you are an outside

Re: [PEN-L] Response to Stan Goff

Just a few points in reply to Sabri. The American Left is an amorphous entity vastly bigger than the traditional Left organizations. Most of the time, it's never more than half engaged in electoral struggle, but Ralph Nader's 2000 Green campaign provided a significant measure of how many American

Re: [PEN-L] Leader of the Free World

On 10/24/06, ravi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Laugh it up fellas! Meanwhile the dude in Wyoming, who can identify with Bush exactly for these sort of errors and style, still has like 7 times your vote ;-). And that's only counting the legal ones. -- Sandwichman

Re: [PEN-L] query: metaphors, similes

Greetings Economists, On Oct 24, 2006, at 1:27 PM, Charles Brown wrote: I'm thinking more of how math originates in social relationships. The thing that makes the brain so "big" is that it contains millions of relationships to other brains, even brains of dead people through messages left by t

Re: [PEN-L] Leader of the Free World

At around 24/10/06 9:05 pm, raghu wrote: > On 10/24/06, Louis Proyect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> In a CNBC interview yesterday, Maria Bartiromo asked President Bush: >> "Have you ever Googled anybody? Do you use Google?" Here's his answer >> to the hardball question that's on everybody's mind. >

[PEN-L] Fingerprinting, Iran and the USA

Speaking of xenophobia. . . . Ahmadinejad opposes finger-print bill Staff and agencies 24 October, 2006 8 minutes ago TEHRAN, Iran - Iran 's fiercely anti-U.S. president has come out against a bill that would r

Re: [PEN-L] Pro-Natalist Rhetoric in Social Democratic States

On 10/24/06, raghu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 10/24/06, Yoshie Furuhashi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It seems to me that PEN-l men are unaware of the global prevalence of > pro-natalist rhetoric. Men really don't know much about how women are > treated in politics. Here's an example from No

Re: [PEN-L] Pro-Natalist Rhetoric in Social Democratic States

On 10/24/06, Yoshie Furuhashi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It seems to me that PEN-l men are unaware of the global prevalence of pro-natalist rhetoric. Men really don't know much about how women are treated in politics. Here's an example from Norway: Not only is pro-natalist rhetoric and poli

Re: [PEN-L] Gender Equality in Child Care, Policy vs. Reality in Social Democratic States

On 10/24/06, Doug Henwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Oct 24, 2006, at 8:04 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > The Swedish government's pro-natalist policy, too, initially was not > based on gender equality: in the 1950s, a maternal benefit was > introduced allowing women to take care of children.

Re: [PEN-L] Leader of the Free World

On 10/24/06, Louis Proyect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In a CNBC interview yesterday, Maria Bartiromo asked President Bush: "Have you ever Googled anybody? Do you use Google?" Here's his answer to the hardball question that's on everybody's mind. "Occasionally. One of the things I've used on the

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Today's best kept secret. Forward Base Falcon in Baghdad, the US's largest ammo dump, probably containing nuclear weapons, was completely destroyed October 10. It appeared in the US press one day and then disappeared. Some say more than 300 US troops and/or contractors died. They haven't showed up

Re: [PEN-L] Iran in the news

On 10/24/06, Anthony D'Costa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The Scandinavian cases also provide alternatives to both Iran and "left" view of "feminism." In Scandinavia children are encouraged both socially and as part of state policy. Both parents work: they must because of high taxes (in addition

Re: [PEN-L] Response to Stan Goff

I watch such discussions and debates among the American leftists occasionally, not always, and every time I pay any attention to them, I reach the conclusion that you take yourselves more seriously than you should. The American left is so minuscule that you have no hope to influence any election re

Re: [PEN-L] Gender Equality in Child Care, Policy vs. Reality in Social Democratic States

On Oct 24, 2006, at 8:04 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: The Swedish government's pro-natalist policy, too, initially was not based on gender equality: in the 1950s, a maternal benefit was introduced allowing women to take care of children. It was not until 1974 that it began to make efforts to mak

Re: [PEN-L] Stan Goff on fascism

Julio wrote: Louis Proyect wrote: Although the two positions [in Stan Goff's articles] are not explicitly related, they do resonate with a line of reasoning found on the American left and more particularly with the Communist Party. Can you substantiate this a little? I read both pieces and c

[PEN-L] Gender Equality in Child Care, Policy vs. Reality in Social Democratic States

The Swedish government's pro-natalist policy, too, initially was not based on gender equality: in the 1950s, a maternal benefit was introduced allowing women to take care of children. It was not until 1974 that it began to make efforts to make pro-natalist policy gender-neutral, allowing fathers

[PEN-L] Stan Goff on fascism

Louis Proyect wrote: Although the two positions [in Stan Goff's articles] are not explicitly related, they do resonate with a line of reasoning found on the American left and more particularly with the Communist Party. Can you substantiate this a little? I read both pieces and can't -- for th

[PEN-L] Pro-Natalist Rhetoric in Social Democratic States

It seems to me that PEN-l men are unaware of the global prevalence of pro-natalist rhetoric. Men really don't know much about how women are treated in politics. Here's an example from Norway: Fertility and fa

Re: [PEN-L] Iran in the news

The Scandinavian cases also provide alternatives to both Iran and "left" view of "feminism." In Scandinavia children are encouraged both socially and as part of state policy. Both parents work: they must because of high taxes (in addition to women's rights issues) but they are supported by the s

Re: [PEN-L] Iran in the news

Let's consider another case. The Singapore government encourages more children (through economic incentives) but parents are expected to be college graduates. Singaporeans, both males and females, live well. Cheers, anthony xx

[PEN-L] Leader of the Free World

In a CNBC interview yesterday, Maria Bartiromo asked President Bush: "Have you ever Googled anybody? Do you use Google?" Here's his answer to the hardball question that's on everybody's mind. "Occasionally. One of the things I've used on the Google is to pull up maps. It's very interesting to see

[PEN-L] Work Part-Time and Be Paid Full-Time (was Re: Iran in the news)

On 10/24/06, Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Iran leader backs larger families By Frances Harrison BBC News, Tehran The president says he is not against women working, but he thinks they can work part-time but be paid full-time to allow them to spend more time with their children. Act

Re: [PEN-L] Iran in the news

On 10/24/06, Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > > > Without pay cuts? me: > > I'd bet that there would be no _hourly_ paycuts (unless they are > > happening anyway), but that adds up to weekly pay cuts. Yoshie: > Appealing work time policy has been MIA almost everyw

Re: [PEN-L] Iran in the news

On 10/24/06, Doug Henwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Oct 24, 2006, at 6:05 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > most social democratic nations offering probably the most pro-natalist > policy, except that pro-natalist policy seldom ever leads to more > children, for women just take the benefits Tha

Re: [PEN-L] Iran in the news

On Oct 24, 2006, at 6:05 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: most social democratic nations offering probably the most pro-natalist policy, except that pro-natalist policy seldom ever leads to more children, for women just take the benefits That's contrary to the standard taxonomy of welfare states, f

Re: [PEN-L] Iran in the news

On 10/24/06, Doug Henwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Oct 24, 2006, at 6:00 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > I don't have any children and I don't intend to have any, so the > policy proposed by the President of Iran doesn't appeal to me. But > not all women feel the way I do, and therein lies t

Re: [PEN-L] Iran in the news

On 10/24/06, Doug Henwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Oct 24, 2006, at 5:40 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > Appealing work time policy has been MIA almost everywhere. The truth > be told, lots of women -- especially women with young children -- > prefer part-time to full-time work, as BBC sugge

Re: [PEN-L] Iran in the news

On Oct 24, 2006, at 6:00 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: I don't have any children and I don't intend to have any, so the policy proposed by the President of Iran doesn't appeal to me. But not all women feel the way I do, and therein lies the difficulty for the Left. Some women prefer wage labor t

Re: [PEN-L] Iran in the news

On 10/24/06, Doug Henwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Oct 24, 2006, at 5:27 PM, Jim Devine wrote: > On 10/24/06, Yoshie Furuhashi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > The president said he was ready to decrease the working hours of >> > married women or women with children to make it easier for the

[PEN-L] housing

OCTOBER 23, 2006 / BusinessWeek News Analysis By Marc Hogan Is Housing Out of the Woods? A growing chorus of experts says the worst may be over for home sales. But the recovery may not be smooth—or quick Depending on whom you ask, the winds may already be shifting for the housing market. All y

Re: [PEN-L] Iran in the news

On Oct 24, 2006, at 5:40 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: Appealing work time policy has been MIA almost everywhere. The truth be told, lots of women -- especially women with young children -- prefer part-time to full-time work, as BBC suggested, not just in Iran but most countries including rich on

Re: [PEN-L] Iran in the news

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > > Without pay cuts? me: > I'd bet that there would be no _hourly_ paycuts (unless they are > happening anyway), but that adds up to weekly pay cuts. Yoshie: Appealing work time policy has been MIA almost everywhere. are you saying that because "everyone does it,"

Re: [PEN-L] Iran in the news

On 10/24/06, Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 10/24/06, Yoshie Furuhashi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The president said he was ready to decrease the working hours of > > married women or women with children to make it easier for them to > > have more children. > > Without pay cuts? I'

Re: [PEN-L] Iran in the news

Iran leader backs larger families By Frances Harrison BBC News, Tehran Iran's president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has said he disagrees with the idea that two children are enough, local newspapers and news agencies report. This is despite the fact his country has one of the most successful family plan

Re: [PEN-L] Iran in the news

On Oct 24, 2006, at 5:27 PM, Jim Devine wrote: On 10/24/06, Yoshie Furuhashi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The president said he was ready to decrease the working hours of > married women or women with children to make it easier for them to > have more children. Without pay cuts? I'd bet that

Re: [PEN-L] Iran in the news

On 10/24/06, Yoshie Furuhashi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The president said he was ready to decrease the working hours of > married women or women with children to make it easier for them to > have more children. Without pay cuts? I'd bet that there would be no _hourly_ paycuts (unless they

Re: [PEN-L] query: "defense" in GDP

yup. I remember reading a WSJ op-ed by some congresscritter who argued (in the Reagan years) that the US budget was in surplus under GAAP. Because missiles are investment goods. On 10/24/06, Doug Henwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It's extremely odd to see missiles classed as a durable good, and

Re: [PEN-L] Iran in the news

On 10/24/06, Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Iran leader backs larger families By Frances Harrison BBC News, Tehran Iran's president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has said he disagrees with the idea that two children are enough, local newspapers and news agencies report. The President and his wif

[PEN-L] Iran in the news

Iran leader backs larger families By Frances Harrison BBC News, Tehran Iran's president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has said he disagrees with the idea that two children are enough, local newspapers and news agencies report. This is despite the fact his country has one of the most successful family plan

Re: [PEN-L] Stan Goff on fascism

On Oct 24, 2006, at 4:52 PM, Jim Devine wrote: I think others, such as Timothy McVeigh, became crazy righties because they felt abandoned after the Gulf War. I read once, but only once, that McVeigh's job during the Gulf War was bulldozing the bodies of dead Iraqis into mass graves. If true,

Re: [PEN-L] query: "defense" in GDP

Here's the NIPA table: . On Oct 24, 2006, at 4:48 PM, Jim Devine wrote: I was asking about the details. On 10/24/06, Doug Henwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Oct 24, 2006, at 12:35 PM,

Re: [PEN-L] Stan Goff on fascism

On 10/24/06, Doug Henwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The notion that the military is a hotbed of white supremacy contradicts everything I've heard about the institution. I thought they'd actually done a pretty good job of affirmative action, to the point, as it's often said, that the military is

Re: [PEN-L] query: "defense" in GDP

I was asking about the details. On 10/24/06, Doug Henwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Oct 24, 2006, at 12:35 PM, Jim Devine wrote: > Is it true that the benefits of the services provided by "defense" > spending in the GDP calculation are measured by counting the wages of > those who work for

[PEN-L] Fwd: Oil that greases the palms...

Big Oil's 10 favorite members of Congress Wonder why we don't have a national energy policy or a serious push toward alternatives? Follow the money that oil and gas companies send to Congress. By Jim Jubak Think it's a matter of chance that we don't have a meaningful national energy policy?

Re: [PEN-L] Stan Goff on fascism - Imminent not the issue

  > For all the legislation and absurd statements by the Bush White House, ithas shied away from testing most of this by doing something and getting itbefore the courts.  In the end, I don't see it as much different than thelaws they had on the books during the Cold War, authorizing extrao

[PEN-L] query: metaphors, similes

Greetings Economists, On Oct 22, 2006, at 2:45 PM, Charles Brown wrote: Anyway, metaphors have to do with the sameness of relationships, not the sameness of things. Arithmetic deals with sameness of things. Algebra deals with sameness of relationships between things. Ac

[PEN-L] Dennis Perrin on racism in the military

http://redstateson.blogspot.com/2006/07/mindsets.html -- www.marxmail.org

[PEN-L] query: metaphors, similes

In other words, the first counting is accounting. CB Jim D. > What is the reality of "2" or "4" if it is not 2 or 4 OF something? Yes. I'm told that the original numbering systems were developed by people with herds of sheep and the like. It made sense to count them, whereas it seldom made sens

[PEN-L] query: metaphors, similes

Jim D. > What is the reality of "2" or "4" if it is not 2 or 4 OF something? Yes. I'm told that the original numbering systems were developed by people with herds of sheep and the like. It made sense to count them, whereas it seldom made sense to count the number of grains of wheat. ^ CB; I'v

Re: [PEN-L] Stan Goff on fascism

"If it does, it's low-key, just a couple of soldiers in small groups." Yep. ...and if left un...impeded, lots of them! Will the aryan nations of amerikkka 'inkspot' the military? Before making any hasty judgements about the military's ability to control the tendency without being proactive, we

[PEN-L] Just Foreign Policy News, October 24, 2006

Just Foreign Policy News October 24, 2006 No War with Iran: Petition More than 3200 people have signed the Just Foreign Policy/Peace Action petition through Just Foreign Policy's website. Please sign/circulate if you have yet to do so: http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/involved/iranpetition.html

Re: [PEN-L] Stan Goff on fascism

The notion that the military is a hotbed of white supremacy contradicts everything I've heard about the institution. I thought they'd actually done a pretty good job of affirmative action, to the point, as it's often said, that the military is the only institution in U.S. society where white peopl

Re: [PEN-L] Stan Goff on fascism

On Oct 24, 2006, at 10:32 AM, Louis Proyect wrote: Stan instead views such behavior as normal. He points to a July 7, 2006 NY Times article that describes a rising tide of white supremacist and neo-Nazi infiltration into the armed services. Unfortunately, the article relies exclusively on the te

Re: [PEN-L] query: "defense" in GDP

On Oct 24, 2006, at 12:35 PM, Jim Devine wrote: Is it true that the benefits of the services provided by "defense" spending in the GDP calculation are measured by counting the wages of those who work for the defense (within the US?) department along with the price of the weapons used? How else

[PEN-L] White Paper: Making Cents of Peacebuilding

"The Peace Alliance Foundation has just released a new white paper entitled "Hope on the Horizon: Making Cents of Peacebuilding." This paper lays out a strong case in support of domestic programs that are having a measurable impact at dismantling patterns of violence, while simultaneously being

Re: [PEN-L] Stan Goff on fascism (...organized dangerous schmucks)

Another veteran that dares call it (incipent) fascism, early 1930s edition. [October 23 2006] Travus T. Hipp Morning News & Commentary: On The Current Trend Of Comparing The U.S. And It’s Policies To The Rise & Fall Of The Third Reich ...and today, about the ps

[PEN-L] query: "defense" in GDP

Is it true that the benefits of the services provided by "defense" spending in the GDP calculation are measured by counting the wages of those who work for the defense (within the US?) department along with the price of the weapons used? -- Jim Devine / "We've never been stay the course" -- Georg

[PEN-L] like father like sons

from WaPo SLATE's news summary: The [WaPo] mentions a news conference held by the United Nations investigator on torture where he said some countries try to invalidate criticism of how they handle detainees by pointing out they are merely following the example set by the United States. "Today, m

Re: [PEN-L] Libraries in a Corporatized University

yup. No apologies necessary (at least not to me, a dyed-in-the-wool Marxist-Devinist). On 10/24/06, Mark Lause <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Apologies. However, Political Economists, though, might be expected to look to the money sources of these changes as readily as any other group. -- Jim Devi

[PEN-L] update on arresting ideas in India

I received the following from my publisher, Daanish Books, which puts the recent police actions against them in the appropriate context. in solidarity, michael Sunita is free, has returned home to her husband, child and friends safe, even if a bit shaken by her first

Re: [PEN-L] Stan Goff on fascism

Virtually every political list I'm on with any fair representation of Democrats has begun to feature a great deal of noisy drumbeating the old cadence of fear. For all the legislation and absurd statements by the Bush White House, it has shied away from testing most of this by doing something and

[PEN-L] Stan Goff on fascism

As somebody who has been outspokenly critical of the idea that fascism is an imminent threat in the US, I had been meaning to respond to Stan Goff's article "Sowing the Seeds of Fascism in America" that appeared at truthdig.com. In the course of pulling together my thoughts on the matter, it came

Re: [PEN-L] Libraries in a Corporatized University

Apologies. However, Political Economists, though, might be expected to look to the money sources of these changes as readily as any other group. ML

[PEN-L] global warming to the rescue?

The first Eskimo was killed in the Iraq war; it took 20 men a full day to dig his grave through the permafrost in a town 350 miles north of the Arctic Circle. < -- HARPER'S WEEKLY. -- Jim Devine / " Why should we hear about body bags, and deaths...I mean, it's not relevant. So why should I waste

Re: [PEN-L] Seth Sandronsky Interviews Michael Perelman!

can you summarize J.M. Clark's main contributions? On 10/24/06, soula avramidis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: John Maurice Clark, the American institutionalist, addressed his pioneering work, Studies in the Economics of Overhead Costs, to the problems discussed here. he had few followers among eith

Re: [PEN-L] Libraries in a Corporatized University

On 10/23/06, Mark Lause <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am surprised that people on a Marxism List are so gullible. for what it's worth, this isn't a Marxism list. It's more generally leftist. And we have a resident conservative (David Shemano). -- Jim Devine / " Why should we hear about body bags

Re: [PEN-L] Seth Sandronsky Interviews Michael Perelman!

John Maurice Clark, the American institutionalist, addressed his pioneering work, Studies in the Economics of Overhead Costs, to the problems discussed here. he had few followers among either conventional or non-conventional (including Marxian) economists. - Original Message From: Yoshie F