[PEN-L] Ooops Re: [PEN-L] China's Socialist Path

I had my cursor on the wrong post. This was supposed to go to lbo-talk, responding to a post on Obama. But it applies on this list too I guess. Carrol

Re: [PEN-L] China's Socialist Path

I think the point has been made sufficiently re both Obama & Clinton so when they inevitably MORE THAN disappoint their fans* we will be free to say "I told you so" and keep saying it until we have to make the same predictions in 2012 about whoever is running then. Of course I don't know whether a

Re: [PEN-L] China, Speilberg, and the Olympics: The real story

This seems to be a fundamental _western_ (probably _not_ just u.s.*) strategy for maintaing hegemony going back at least to the dismemberment of Yugoslavia in the early '90s. And it's a strategy which dres in _many_ left liberals to support it, as reflected in the terms "cruise-missile liberals" an

Re: [PEN-L] On the third hand [was: Let.s Go Hillary]

A quick footnote to the conversation between Dan & Jim. I think it's obscurantist to use the word "conspiracy" in _any_ context in which it is not essential. Dan's point, I think, can be made without wording that raises "conspiracist" reverberations. The DLC and its planning were right out in the

Re: [PEN-L] apologia

Jim Devine wrote: > > do we really grow rice in California? (I may have reported this, but > I'm not convinced it's true.) Yep. I've seen two or three articles over the years describing rice-growing in California, irrigating with government-subsidized water. Quite a racket. Carrol > > Doyle Saylo

Re: [PEN-L] Let.s Go Hillary

Jim Devine wrote: > > Carrol wrote: > >[clip] Then it will make sense to talk of HOPE. > > Julio Huato wrote: > > In other words, you are HOPELESS. > > I know it's a cliché, but whatever happened to "optimism of the will, > pessimism of the intellect"? That is what was echoing through my mind a

Re: [PEN-L] Let.s Go Hillary

Michael Perelman wrote: > > Young voters turned out for Howard Dean with great enthusiasm, yet he was a > pretty > conservative governor. Obama is absolutely correct. Voting is about hope, > but the > hopes are sure to be dashed. All it takes is a nice delivery, some focus > groups, & > a good

Re: [PEN-L] Let.s Go Hillary

Matthijs Krul wrote: > > > One can say that Al Sharpton carries some real baggage, but what is > > the primary baggage that Jesse carries relative to Obama? Jesse is > > "divisive" *because* he represents black demands for equality. > > > > --ravi > > > > > > Well, black voters have turned

Re: [PEN-L] Let.s Go Hillary

Jim Devine wrote: > > > It's true that a lot of the emptiness of the DP is fake populism or > reflects the shortcomings of true populism. (Much of what Edwards > said fits in either or both categories.) But amazingly, the real > primaries run by the donors filters theses populisms out too. I woul

Re: [PEN-L] I hope you all vote(d) for Obama

"Perelman, Michael" wrote: > > If the choice were between me an Obama, I would donated thousands of > dollars to his campaign. O come now. You could emulate Chomsky and have yourself arrested as a war criminal. Carrol

Re: [PEN-L] I hope you all vote(d) for Obama

Charles Brown wrote: > > > CB: I'm thinking the majority of Americans will still vote for a white > man over a woman or a Black person. I think this oversimplifies how _subjective_ racism works, and the form that subjective racism has increasingly taken. The stereotypes have changed, and while pla

Re: [PEN-L] I hope you all vote(d) for Obama

Charles Brown wrote: > > >>> Carrol Cox > Doug Henwood wrote: > > > > On Feb 5, 2008, at 1:19 PM, Jim Devine wrote: > > > > > Obama (or Clinton) versus McCain (or Romney or > > > Huckabee) will be a bit like the 1964 LBJ/Goldwater election.

Re: [PEN-L] I hope you all vote(d) for Obama

Doug Henwood wrote: > > On Feb 5, 2008, at 1:19 PM, Jim Devine wrote: > > > Obama (or Clinton) versus McCain (or Romney or > > Huckabee) will be a bit like the 1964 LBJ/Goldwater election. > > So the "peace" candidate will escalate the war? Probably. The War is so unpopular that I don't see how

Re: [PEN-L] I hope you all vote(d) for Obama

Doug Henwood wrote: > > On Feb 5, 2008, at 12:48 PM, Max B. Sawicky wrote: > > > That was a while back. I'm now convinced of the opposite; > > BHO is likely to be more liberal than HRC. > > Why? This is the most amazing case of mass wishful thinking I've ever > seen. At least a lot of people who v

Re: [PEN-L] I hope you all vote(d) for Obama

Greens are on the ballot in Illinois this year. I'll go only to cast a symbolic vote for the Green candidate for Congress in this district. Anyone on this list is going to have as much influence on the electoral income as would a sports fan sitting before the TV and rooting for a team. Mere self-d

Re: [PEN-L] The latest take on the origins of capitalism

It's odd how so many hstorians and amateur histoians as well cannot tell the differnce between a Gerber Baby Food plant and sexual intercourse. Carrol

Re: [PEN-L] A New Economy?

Charles Brown wrote: > > guards and dealers definitely produce use-values; otherwise no-one > would pay them. But, at least in Marxian political economy, they do > not produce surplus-value. The guard simply preserves property rights, > while the cashier transfers them. The worker who produces > su

Re: [PEN-L] Re: [PEN-L] The Bubble Bursts: “Our economy is in serious trouble,” - Eric Janszen, Harpers

Leigh Meyers wrote: > > So, you're saying everything is hunky-dory for the capitalist economy? > > What ARE you saying? "If you don't hit it, it won't fall." There is no organized mass movement at present to hit it. CapitalistS are in trouble; even more workers are in trouble. There is nothing to

Re: [PEN-L] The Bubble Bursts: “Our economy is in serious trouble,” - Eric Janszen, Harpers

So? Capitalist economies regularly get in serious trouble, and just as regularly get out of it, though a lot of non-capitalists suffer in the process. Carrol

Re: [PEN-L] A New Economy?

here is a continuing, and > most likely increasing, need to exploit labour abroad. Slowly, capital is > leeched into unproductive conditions in the home economy. > > And back to Carrol's point - does a house or a golf course create surplus > value? - are they productive uses of capit

Re: [PEN-L] A New Economy?

Simon Ward wrote: > > productive capital is drained away and > whatever capital is left is slowly but steadily transferred to unproductive > conditions - ever more luxurious housing for example or golf courses. This is wrong; these are luxury commodities and the production of them generates surplu

Re: [PEN-L] Time as a stabilization policy tool

Jim Devine wrote: > > > Sure, I'm in favor of fewer hours per week, but I don't think slogans > or programs organize people well. (Some of my old friends were > Trotskyists who believed that a well-crafted slogan or a new > (improved!) version of the "transitional program" could spark a > prairie f

Re: [PEN-L] Got Concentration Camps? Check!… Privatized prisons for immigrants: The expansion continues

Leigh Meyers wrote: > > According to a recent report by the Bureau of Justice Statistics - > released on June 30, 2006 and revised in July 2007 - there are over 2 > million people behind bars in the United States. I may be reading an intention not in the post, but . . . If Leigh thinks this is e

Re: [PEN-L] Query on Recessions

Jim Devine wrote: > > > > Or is there really a lot of forest fire fuel piling up somewhere so > > that there will be a really big one ? > > it's mostly in the form of excessive and shaky consumer debt and bank > assets that turn out (or will turn out) to be bad. "Ordinary" recessions do not, I thi

[PEN-L] Query on Recessions

Is it not correct that fairly frequent recessions are a necessity of the capitalist system? And certainly, in practice, they have been happening every five to ten years for a couple of centuries. But both on this list and in the financial columns of the media everyone is fussing about whether or n

[PEN-L] [Fwd: Howie Klein: How To Destroy A Profitable Industry In Just A FewEasySteps]

Perhaps this is relevant to a current thread. Carrol Original Message Subject: Howie Klein: How To Destroy A Profitable Industry In Just A Few EasySteps Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:35:31 -0500 (EST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] How To Destroy

Re: [PEN-L] merry Christmas, Americans!

Jim Devine wrote: > > Louis Proyect wrote: > > Speaking of credit cards, something really puzzles and pisses me off at > > the same time. Like you, I get spam all the time for Canadian pharmacies > > selling Vicodin, etc. All of them allow you to use Visa, Mastercard and > > sometimes American Expr

Re: [PEN-L] Gindin, Brenner and capitalist catastrophe

Jim Devine wrote: > > Doug Henwood wrote: > > Sam Gindin said two striking things in that Brecht Forum > > debate with Brenner: 1) the crisis isn't in capitalism, it's in the > > left; 2) if you'd told him in 1975 that the U.S. working class would > > take 30 years of falling real wages, union bust

Re: [PEN-L] closing the barn-door after the horse has escaped.

Jim Devine wrote: > > > agreed. I think, however, that the phenomenon is bigger than > Reaganism. It's part of the world-wide neoliberal policy revolution, > led not only by Reagan but by Thacher and Pinochet. Thatcher became Prime Minister in May of 1979; Carter appointed Volcker Fed Chairman in

Re: [PEN-L] WTO Director rehabilitates the Marxist criticism of capitalism

Charles Brown wrote: > > >From Truthout: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/120707G.shtml > > "Capitalism Cannot Satisfy Us" > Daniel Fortin and Mathieu Magnaudeix interview Pascal Lamy > Challenges > > But what good does it do to criticize capitalism? Isn't it > accepted by everyone? >

[PEN-L] Language was And where do babies come from?

Sandwichman wrote: > > > Or, think of the evolution of language. Does anyone believe that > language -- and the physiological capabilities that enable speech -- > evolved for the purpose of communicating information or ideas? Yet > that is what we typically, perhaps unreflectively, assume that > la

Re: [PEN-L] Moral hazard -- and Adverse Selectin.

raghu wrote: > > > Maybe there is a basic problem about using insurance to provide health > care. By definition insurance is about protecting people from > unpredictable rare events. In health care, the service requirement is > neither really rare nor unpredictable. It is not surprising that the >

Re: [PEN-L] this stuff is true!

The Buffalo In Da' Midst wrote: > > > So what about BushCo & BushWars...? > > They "...marshall(ed) international support for that coup (in the > U.S). (9/11)), and invaded a foreign country that had done nothing > (No, not Poland, Iraq). > > "Which makes him (THEM!) something pretty despicable, &

Re: [PEN-L] this stuff is true!

Jim Devine wrote: > > from HARPER'S WEEKLY, November 13, 2007: > > new frontiers in diplomacy: > > At an Ibero-American summit in Chile, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez > > called Spain's former prime minister a fascist, adding, "fascists are not > > human. A snake is more human." "Why don't you

Re: [PEN-L] query: neoliberals

Jim Devine wrote: > > in my never-ending battle against the use of clichés, I'm looking for > a new synonym for "neoliberal" and "neoliberalism." I think > "marketron" is a good replacement for "neoliberalism," but > "marketronism" is too clumsy. Any ideas? > > in Solidarity with the Global War o

Re: [PEN-L] The Long Fall

"Crises are never more than momentary, violent solutions for the existing contradictions, violent eruptions that re-establish the disturbed balance for the time being." K Marx, CIII

Re: [PEN-L] Democrats about to give Bush another blank check

Doug Henwood wrote: > > On Nov 5, 2007, at 9:47 PM, Carrol Cox wrote: > > > They are courageous and they are committed. > > It's just that the commitment is to u.s. imperialism. > > But, structurally, by playing the role of the "left" party they have >

Re: [PEN-L] Democrats about to give Bush another blank check

Michael Perelman wrote: > > The outcome is predictable. The Dems will inherit the war unless can manage > to find > a way to blow the election. They will have to bow to the public and leave > Iraq > (mostly). Then they will get hammered for "losing" Iraq. All this for not > having a > spine

Re: [PEN-L] ideology [was: Multiple intelligences]

Jim Devine wrote: > > what are all the strange abbreviations (IC19, C19, etc.?) I think C19 > is the 19th century, but what is "IC19" or "eCl9"? Early (ec19) and late (lc19). C18/C19 are quite common in much historical writing, particularly in works that resemble a dictionary (Williams) or an ency

Re: [PEN-L] Multiple intelligences [was: Human species 'may split intwo]

Michael Smith wrote: > > On Fri, 2007-10-26 at 18:06 -0700, Jim Devine wrote: > > > Please _tell me_ why you think that theories of cognition are as bad > > as phlogiston theory. Why, specifically, do you reject the idea of > > multiple intelligences? > > Cart before the horse. I'm not "rejecting"

Re: [PEN-L] Human species 'may split in two'

Jim Devine wrote: > > > you'd think that of all people, he would know about Shockleyism and its > dangers. > This 'case' underlines a point of profound importance for leftists: highly intelligent, even brilliant, men & women, however learned, can be unbelievably both stupid and ignornant. Except

Re: [PEN-L] Banking on a bailout

Marvin Gandall wrote: > > > The hope is that the new super-fund will be able to regain investor > confidence [clip] > Rescue Readied > By Banks Is Bet > To Spur Market > > The high-stakes plan to rescue banks from losses on mortgage securities > amounts to a big bet that a consortium of financial

Re: [PEN-L] Counterfeit nation

If I recall correctly, John D., Sr. in his early days had the oil wells of competitors in Ohio dynamited. Is that correct, and are any details on it in Josephson's book? Doug Henwood wrote: > > On Aug 19, 2007, at 10:08 AM, Louis Proyect quoted: > > > America’s reliance on dubious credit goes a

Re: [PEN-L] good Pollit column

Bill Lear wrote: > > On Saturday, August 18, 2007 at 09:33:21 (-0700) Jim Devine writes: > >http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070827/pollitt > > > >subject to debate by Katha Pollitt > >Who's Sorry Now? > > > >[from the August 27, 2007 issue] > > > >Why Saddam? Saddam was an evil dictator, but Iraq wa

Re: [PEN-L] Waiting for the end of the world

I take it that for most on this list the _fundamental_ question concerns the future growth of left activity in the u.s. Now Doug of course is quite correct in an underlying assumption, that economic collapse does not in any way guarantee substantial growth in left* forces. The slump of 1973, for i

Re: [PEN-L] WSJ nonsense????

Michael Perelman wrote: > > Here was the ridiculous part: > > "in search of a livelihood." Whether the remainder is sheer nonsense or partially valid, this is a hoot: billion dollar+ outfits needing a "livelihood" indeed. Carrol

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Jim Devine wrote: > > On 8/14/07, Eugene Coyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Wasn't it Henry Cabot Lodge that was behind Diem's death? > > and John F. Kennedy. It turns out that JFK liked to dabble in the > overthrowing of foreign leaders and/or their assassination. It was the assassination of Di

Re: [PEN-L] uncle sam's banker

raghu wrote: > > So instead of giving it away they have to "invest" or to > make "aid grants" instead, and basically become another colonial > power. That was Mao's prediction of what would happen if China ever "changed its color" -- it would become an oppresdsor nation. Carrol > -raghu.

Re: [PEN-L] Weighing the prospects of a financial crisis

Jim Devine wrote: > >> > the 1929-33 experience also led to rebalancing of the global economy. > Eventually. The question is how long this process will take. A lot of > the advocates of rebalancing may be in the camp that believes that > capitalism automatically adjusts itself when hit by a shock.

Re: [PEN-L] Does Roberts Get it Right?

raghu wrote: > > On 8/2/07, Carrol Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The criticism of "high-paid" workers (who ARE working-class, not part of > > the bourgeosie) introduces a moralistic element into thinking about > > class. That is disastrous. Higher wag

Re: [PEN-L] Does Roberts Get it Right?

Marvin Gandall wrote: > > By the way, downward or upward pressures on pay and benefits on one group of > workers do tend to affect other groups. Workers, especially union members, > habitually compare their pay movements to others in their workplace and > industry, and employers are required to pay

Re: [PEN-L] Does Roberts Get it Right?

raghu wrote: > > On 8/2/07, Carrol Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This belief should make the capitalists happy, since it guarantees > > disunity in the working class. > > > > Carrol > > Are foreigners on work visas part of the working class? Does set

Re: [PEN-L] Does Roberts Get it Right?

The Buffalo In Da' Midst wrote: > > > I don't feel sorry for the professional bourgeoisie at all. For the > most part, their expectations led to their own problems, > psychological, sociological, and financial. This belief should make the capitalists happy, since it guarantees disunity in the work

Re: [PEN-L] A sobering assessment

Jim Devine wrote: > > On 8/1/07, Sandwichman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The third, and more likely, scenario is that things will continue going on > > just as they have been going on for years. That is, conditions will > > deteriorate but they won't "come to a head". > > they might "come to a h

Re: [PEN-L] chico in the news today

Rich Wagner wrote: > > He does not count any more, he graduated in 1958, when Chico was just a > college! Does this mean I'm not an alumni of Western Michigan University, since I graduated from Western Michigan College of Education? Carrol

Re: [PEN-L] quote du jour

Jim Devine wrote: > > "I would complain about him taking over the Wall Street Journal, but > its editorial line is already so wacky that Mr. Murdoch's may actually > be an improvement." -- Juan Cole. That's true -- but I think irrelevant because it is the news pages of the WSJ that count, not the

Re: [PEN-L] Rightwing billionaire publisher questions Bush's mental stability

Responding only to the subject line. Opposition to the wisdom or the legality of a president's action places the burden for change on Congress or the elections. Questioning his mental stability could conceivably be the grounds for the Vice President to declare himself president. I don't recall t

Re: [PEN-L] liberal masturbation

Michael Perelman wrote: > > > Now, the answer to Bush's war is to retreat to the permanent bases in Iraq, > > so that > the US can control the country with bombs dropped from altitudes, just as > Clinton was > doing without the convenience of bases in the country. I have always argued that as te

Re: [PEN-L] Petras on failure of US anti-war movement

This is a response to the subject line, not to anything in the post. Has the anti-war movment failed? It has not stopped the war -- but neither has any anti-war movement in modern history stopped a war (unless you consider the Bolsheviks an anti-war movement). The fundamental political fact of t

Re: [PEN-L] Gene theory challenge

raghu wrote: > >An excellent > not-too-technical presentation of this idea is in Evelyn Keller's "The > Century of the Gene" where the author (who is a physicist turned > feminist-historian of biology) traces the history of the gene metaphor > through the 20'th century and argues for retiring the t

Re: [PEN-L] Overfishing

Jim Devine wrote: > > But I do get you point (I hope): if a mode of production -- such as > the one that used to prevail in the old Soviet Union -- cannot get the > job done of producing and distributing goods and services with a > reasonable degree of efficiency compared to other existing modes of

Re: [PEN-L] On the Futility of the Ecology Movement, was Re: Overfishing

Doug Henwood wrote: > > > But averting climate catastrophe involves changing the way people > live their daily lives, the sooner the better. This sort of stance - > we can't do anything until we do everything - could result in stasis > and despair. If Americans gave up their SUVs for hybrids, walke

Re: [PEN-L] On the Futility of the Ecology Movement, was Re: Overfishing

I agree pretty much with Jim's response to my post; the post itself is a first and bumbling attempt to formulate what I think is a crucial matter for u.s. leftists to try to think through. The ineffectiveness of left activity over past decades has generated a widespread urges to find short cuts. Va

[PEN-L] On the Futility of the Ecology Movement, was Re: Overfishing

Paul Phillips wrote: > > But what it does say is > that private property rights is no answer to collapsing fish stocks, > particularly as long as Japan, Spain, etc. defy international regulation > and refuse to abide by the social regulation of the commons by their > destructive overfishing, d

[PEN-L] Illiterate uses of the phrase "ad hominem"

Personal attacks are not ad hominem arguments. Ad hominem arguments are a logical fallacy. To illustrate: John believes X. X is wholly false. Anyone who believes it is an asshole. John is an asshole. This is a personal attack but it is NOT an ad hominem argument. John is an asshole. John believe

Re: [PEN-L] Rampage Across Athens

Jim Devine wrote: > > On 6/22/07, Carrol Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Such violence (as > > practiced by Weatherman or by most anarchist tendencies) is > > counter-revolutionary: it divides and weakens the revolutionary forces. > > It is every bit as b

Re: [PEN-L] Rampage Across Athens

Jim Devine wrote: > >> me: >> this is the either/or thinking that we see on the left too > much: there's no choice but between self-indulgent ATM-burning and > the excessive politeness of the League of Women Voters. There's no > combinations or subtle variations in between, so anyone who criticiz

Re: [PEN-L] It’s Official: The Crash of the U.S. Economy has begun

Leigh Meyers wrote: > > <...> > What is likely to happen? I'd suggest four possible scenarios: > Economic crashes are terrible for people and good for capitalism. They are the way capital crashes beyond the barriers it creates for itself. Carrol

Re: [PEN-L] Peak oil warning

sartesian wrote: > > There is no argument about the destruction and brutality, the poverty, > produced in the extraction of the commodity of oil. Actually, I think > it's the industrial capitalist equivalent of the plantation sugarcane > economy. > > I don't know, however, what that has to do wit

Re: [PEN-L] "quote" du jour

Jim Devine wrote: > > "... years ago I recognized my kinship with all living beings, and I > made up my mind that I was not one bit better than the meanest on > earth. I said then, and I say now, that while there is a lower class, > I am in it, and while there is a criminal element I am of it, and

Re: [PEN-L] [Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist] Comment: "NACLA on RCTV"

"michael a. lebowitz" wrote: > > He and EB probably > survey the same folks and see the same things. > (Could be that, like a friend of mine here, he > rents a room from an opposition family and gets > regular reports on the revolution from them.) An anecdote from 70 years ago. My first wife was t

Re: [PEN-L] Altruism: hardwired

I haven't been following this thread closely, and I'm involved in too many things to give it much thought, The following, therefore, is a mere observation, not a developed argument. I would reject any theory of the origins of language -- or the interpretation of language as it is used today -- whi

Re: [PEN-L] Altruism: hardwired

Doyle Saylor wrote: > > > Doyle; > I would think language began much further back than 40 50 thousand > years ago. There can be no proof, so anyone is free to speculate as he/she pleases. But we do _know_ two things. 1. Biologically modern humans -- humans with the brains and physiology we have

Re: [PEN-L] dicta

"michael a. lebowitz" wrote: > > At 16:21 01/06/2007, sartesian wrote: > > >Just a point, and I don't think it's minor or just > >semantic. There is no Marxian political economy. > >There is no Marxist political economy. Marxism begins > >with a contribution to the end of political economy. > > s

Re: [PEN-L] critique of Gintis

Doug Henwood wrote: > > On Jun 1, 2007, at 2:07 PM, Marvin Gandall wrote: > > > I don't believe Carrol understands that ruling classes have made > > concessions > > throughout history in order to preempt the development of economic and > > social crises > > Prevent? Or deal with those already under

Re: [PEN-L] critique of Gintis

Marvin Gandall wrote: > > Julio wrote: > > > From the "inside," things don't look the way you describe *at all*. > > If there has been any ideological shift to register in the last > > decade, it's been precisely one in the opposite direction. And this > > is not surprising given the persistence o

Re: [PEN-L] Altruism: hardwired

Though there is little chance of ever changing the terminology, "altruism" is as ill-chosen a term as "hardwired" -- it was coined by the Auguste Comte, and implies a conception of humans as a collection of isolated individuals. Carrol

Re: [PEN-L] How the Democratic Senators voted

Leigh Meyers wrote: > > Personally, I think it's delusional to think that ANY of these people > support a complete withdrawal from Iraq OR the Middle East or are > anti-war in ANY way. Agreed. They're just throwing a legislative temper > tantrum because their 'pigs' got 'skinned', their 'christm

Re: [PEN-L] How the Democratic Senators voted

If only the 9/11 conspiracists would focus their energies on discovering how the DP leadership worked out who got to vote against & who had to vote for it. ;-> Louis Proyect wrote: > > 10 Democratic Senators voting against war funding: > Boxer

[PEN-L] Class, was ...home ownership

If one starts out with the _relationship_ rather than the people it might clarify things. There is no such thing as a "capitalist" in isolation; there is no such thing as a "worker" in isolation. One has a capital-labor _relationship_; that is one moves from that to discovering who in a given natio

Re: [PEN-L] query: Becker on suicide

Would this fit Becker's model? Calculating what is lost by death at (say) 81 vs what is lost by 9 years of dementia starting at 82 or 83. And of course the odds on either. Carrol

Re: [PEN-L] Differential games

Jim Devine wrote: > > I try to respond to all threads that involve me, but I'm not going to > do so for this one (even though I let it sit in my in-box for weeks). > I just don't have the constitution for scholasticism, the quoting and > interpretation of Authorities. I prefer the method of folks l

Re: [PEN-L] Solow on Schumpeter

Michael Perelman wrote: > > Solow says "large industrial economies have sprouted a more stable structure" > Of course, he wrote a catty review of Parker's Galbraith bio. Nobody should > ever > stray off the beaten path. If they do, they shall be declared a heretic & > all their > good ideas con

[PEN-L] Passions, Hegel, Marx, Smith etc. was ...po-tah-to

"s.artesian" wrote: > At some point, I would like to comment on Ted's linkage of > Hegel and Marx and what Marx actually did with Hegel' > categories and linkages, i.e "stages of the human mind." > My view is very different than Ted's, but the discussion > might not be of interest to the rest of th

Re: [PEN-L] Are we headed toward another depression?

Jim Devine wrote: > > it depends on how you define "depression." At any one time _somewhere_ within the capitalist societies (or any one capitalist nation) is suffering (locally) utter economic collapse. Hence if we went by localities it would be correct to say that capitalism has been one continu

Re: [PEN-L] I say po-tay-to, you say po-tah-to

"s.artesian" wrote: > > > The passions are products of market dependence, with the markets > themselves transformed from simply arenas of consumption to the > circuits essential for the realizaton and reproduction of exchange > value. > > The "industrious" "innovative" "efficient" yeoman, land l

[PEN-L] Query

What do the economists on this list have to say about a micro text written by David Besanko and Ronald Braeutigan? I promised a person enrolled in a class using that text that I sould find out about it. Carrol

Re: [PEN-L] I say po-tay-to, you say po-tah-to

Jim Devine wrote: > >> Since as far as I know, tea can't be grown in W. Europe and thus would > play no significant role in revolutionizing social relations there. > (Perhaps it gave workers extra energy to work, however, like coffee > does. Also, global warming might allow tea cultivation in W. Eu

Re: [PEN-L] Are we headed toward another depression?

Leigh Meyers wrote: > > On 5/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Why be depressed, or feel like the economy is in one, when you can > just take this little pill and stop worrying about *anything*? This is mostly bullshit. SSRIs (Prozac is one) have no immediate effect, and

Re: [PEN-L] Poverty and Inequality in Venezuela

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > > On 5/11/07, michael a. lebowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Quick rule of thumb--- the opposite of 'protagonistic democracy' is > > not 'antagonistic' but 'representative democracy'./m > > True, but I've been thinking of relative absence of sharp antagonism > and emph

[PEN-L] Ooops! Re: The responsibilities of [Western] intellectuals

Ooops! I thought I was responding to an lbo-post. It's still good for this list however. Carrol

Re: [PEN-L] The responsibilities of [Western] intellectuals

ravi wrote: > > On 9 May, 2007, at 11:57 AM, Doug Henwood wrote: > > While you're handing out assignments, as long as you're living in the > > U.S. - and it's been more than 10 years now, hasn't it? - isn't that > > your job too? > > But she is doing that already. Insofar as you and others privile

Re: [PEN-L] query

Jim Devine wrote: > > where did Joan Robinson say that Keynes himself did not understand the > full implications of his theory? > Isn't it almost standard that the originator of any very powerful theory does not understand its full implications. (This could be derived as a necessity from the axiom

Re: [PEN-L] query 2

Find an effective way to determine whether a polynomial equation with integer coefficients and one or more unknowns has any integer solutions. (Sort of like the quadratic formula.) I never went beyond elementary calculus, and didn't learn that very well. But I can sort of vaguely see how solving t

Re: [PEN-L] FW: UK military fear: middle class could become revolutionary class

The prediction, more accurately expressed, is that the more highly skilled and paid sectors of the working class will begin to develop a distorted class consciousness, thereby dividing the working class against itself. The writers of the report, sharing the view of standard sociology and crude marx

Re: [PEN-L] EGYPT: Islamic Democrats?

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > > The essential issue in Egypt today is democracy, whose outcome is > open. The Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt, which has a range of views > within the organization, must be understood in that context. The > Brotherhood may turn out to be a liberal friend of America, but it

Re: [PEN-L] Turkish Government Issues Rebuke to Army

(In the name of God the Most Glorious Mr D'Arcy is empowered to scratch through the sub-soil of Persia until fifty years from this date...) Canto XXXVIII >From _A Companion to the Cantos_: In 1901 William Knox D'Arcy, an Australian oil explorer, obtained from the shah of Pe

Re: [PEN-L] Persian Prince Prophesizes

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > > > I thought that Marx's formula was that, although religion is the sigh > of the oppressed, the development of capitalism tends to secularize > life. I believe he was too simplistic about the correlation between > capitalist development and secularization. Capitalism _

Re: [PEN-L] The Burgeoning American Educational Police State Proves KidsAre'Smarter' Than Adults

Leigh Meyers wrote: > > FWIW, there is a *Cary* Illinois. So much for my close reading! :-) Carrol

Re: [PEN-L] The Burgeoning American Educational Police State Proves Kids Are'Smarter' Than Adults

Leigh Meyers wrote: > > > Cary is about 40 miles west of Chicago. The reporter's geography is a bit suspect. Gary is in Indiana, south and EAST of Chicago. Carrol > > URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18353425/

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