Re: CPAN Ratings and the problem of choice (was Re: About tidying up Kwalitee metrics)

2008-06-30 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
> So, why do ratings make a difference here? > > Well, ratings provide at least a partial way for the community to solve > the choice overload problem. If a search reveals a 4.5 star module with > eight reviews, one doesn't feel compelled to look at the other options; > the choice becomes clear.

Re: CPAN Ratings and the problem of choice (was Re: About tidying up Kwalitee metrics)

2008-06-30 Thread Salve J Nilsen
Paul Fenwick said: Jonathan Rockway wrote: The same could be said for CPAN Ratings also. Why should my module have 1 star next to it because any goof with a web browser can write a review? Why is the opinion of someone with no ties to the community considered relevant enough to show in the

Re: About tidying up Kwalitee metrics

2008-06-30 Thread chromatic
On Sunday 29 June 2008 23:08:50 Jonathan Rockway wrote: > * On Sun, Jun 29 2008, chromatic wrote: > > However, does making CPAN a better place require publishing a Hall of > > Shame on perl.org? > > > > http://cpants.perl.org/highscores/hall_of_shame > > Good point. > > The same could be said

CPAN Ratings and the problem of choice (was Re: About tidying up Kwalitee metrics)

2008-06-30 Thread Paul Fenwick
G'day Jonathan / PQA, Jonathan Rockway wrote: The same could be said for CPAN Ratings also. Why should my module have 1 star next to it because any goof with a web browser can write a review? Why is the opinion of someone with no ties to the community considered relevant enough to show in the

Re: About tidying up Kwalitee metrics

2008-06-29 Thread Andy Lester
On Jun 30, 2008, at 1:08 AM, Jonathan Rockway wrote: Why is the opinion of someone with no ties to the community considered relevant enough to show in the search.cpan search results? Why do you think the opinion of someone with ties to "the community" (however THAT is defined) is more rele

Re: About tidying up Kwalitee metrics

2008-06-29 Thread Jonathan Rockway
* On Sun, Jun 29 2008, chromatic wrote: > However, does making CPAN a better place require publishing a Hall of Shame > on > perl.org? > > http://cpants.perl.org/highscores/hall_of_shame Good point. The same could be said for CPAN Ratings also. Why should my module have 1 star next to

Re: About tidying up Kwalitee metrics

2008-06-29 Thread chromatic
On Sunday 29 June 2008 11:02:17 Gabor Szabo wrote: > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 4:49 PM, chromatic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I thought the goal of Kwalitee was to identify good free software, not to > > humiliate thousands of other authors of free software for not > > anticipating and working a

Re: About tidying up Kwalitee metrics

2008-06-29 Thread Gabor Szabo
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 4:49 PM, chromatic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sunday 29 June 2008 02:28:54 Thomas Klausner wrote: > >> For example: >> http://cpants.perl.org/kwalitee.html#no_cpants_errors >> no_cpants_errors >> Shortcoming: Some errors occured during CPANTS testing. They might >

Re: About tidying up Kwalitee metrics

2008-06-29 Thread chromatic
On Sunday 29 June 2008 02:28:54 Thomas Klausner wrote: > For example: > http://cpants.perl.org/kwalitee.html#no_cpants_errors > no_cpants_errors > Shortcoming: Some errors occured during CPANTS testing. They might > be caused by bugs in CPANTS or some strange features of this > d

Re: About tidying up Kwalitee metrics

2008-06-29 Thread brian d foy
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Thomas Klausner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "The goal of deducting a kwalitee point for 'no_cpants_errors' is to get > authors to report CPANTS bugs. Why do you need authors to report those? After a run, you have a list of all of the errors already.

Re: About tidying up Kwalitee metrics

2008-06-29 Thread Aristotle Pagaltzis
* Ovid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-06-29 10:55]: > --- On Sat, 28/6/08, Aristotle Pagaltzis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I think the game is actually an excellent idea. The problem is >> with the metrics. Here are some metrics that are inarguably >> good: >> >> • has_buildtool >> • extracts_nicely >

Re: About tidying up Kwalitee metrics

2008-06-29 Thread Thomas Klausner
Hi! On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 01:54:19AM -0700, Ovid wrote: > On a side note, I still don't understand why I sometimes get dinged for > CPANTs errors. > > Here's one for HOP-Lexer (http://cpants.perl.org/dist/errors/HOP-Lexer): > > STDERR: Invalid row in Debian file: "libhtml-wikiconverter-mo

Re: About tidying up Kwalitee metrics

2008-06-29 Thread Ovid
--- On Sat, 28/6/08, Aristotle Pagaltzis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think the game is actually an excellent idea. The problem is > with the metrics. Here are some metrics that are inarguably good: > > • has_buildtool > • extracts_nicely > • metayml_conforms_to_known_spec One problem with thi

Re: About tidying up Kwalitee metrics

2008-06-28 Thread Aristotle Pagaltzis
* chromatic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-06-25 19:25]: > Removing the game score completely would fix a lot of what I > consider wrong with CPANTS. I think the game is actually an excellent idea. The problem is with the metrics. Here are some metrics that are inarguably good: • has_buildtool • extra

Re: About tidying up Kwalitee metrics

2008-06-28 Thread chromatic
On Saturday 28 June 2008 08:54:34 Gabor Szabo wrote: > It seems that the game theme is after all turned into "fierce competition" > or "lack of interest" depending on ... I don't know on what, but neither is > good for CPAN. > In some cases - me included - people fix the symptom to get the metric

Re: About tidying up Kwalitee metrics

2008-06-28 Thread Gabor Szabo
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 2:23 AM, Hilary Holz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 6/25/08 10:24 AM, "chromatic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Wednesday 25 June 2008 03:15:59 Thomas Klausner wrote: >> >>> One comment regarding 'each devel sets his/her own kwalitee metrics': >>> This could be quite e

Re: About tidying up Kwalitee metrics

2008-06-25 Thread Hilary Holz
On 6/25/08 10:24 AM, "chromatic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 25 June 2008 03:15:59 Thomas Klausner wrote: > >> One comment regarding 'each devel sets his/her own kwalitee metrics': >> This could be quite easy for the various views etc. But I'm not sure how >> to calculate a game sco

Re: About tidying up Kwalitee metrics

2008-06-25 Thread chromatic
On Wednesday 25 June 2008 03:15:59 Thomas Klausner wrote: > One comment regarding 'each devel sets his/her own kwalitee metrics': > This could be quite easy for the various views etc. But I'm not sure how > to calculate a game score then. Do we end up with lots of different > games? But then, it's

Re: About tidying up Kwalitee metrics

2008-06-25 Thread Paul Fenwick
G'day Thomas, Thomas Klausner wrote: I've been very quite lately regarding CPANTS, mostly because I currently have more interesting things to do (at the moment I'm in the lucky situation that my day job is more fun than my non-paid open source activities). This does not mean that I want to gi

Re: About tidying up Kwalitee metrics

2008-06-25 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:10:07AM +0200, Salve J Nilsen wrote: > Hello, folks > > I propose to split the current "main" and "optional" kwalitee scales into > topical ones, so we can allow for richer set of metrics while allowing > everyone that care mostly about certain types of metric access t

Re: About tidying up Kwalitee metrics

2008-06-25 Thread Thomas Klausner
Hi! On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:10:07AM +0200, Salve J Nilsen wrote: > I propose to split the current "main" and "optional" kwalitee scales into > topical ones, so we can allow for richer set of metrics while allowing > everyone that care mostly about certain types of metric access to > "untain