Re: Time for a Revolution

2006-07-30 Thread Matisse Enzer
chromatic wrote: produce a short, focused manuscript This sounds remarkably like a series of technical books the began being published in Massachusetts, in the late 70's or early eighties - I think they were called the "berry-sized handbooks" or the "nuts sell handbooks", something lik

Re: Time for a Revolution

2006-07-30 Thread Robert Hicks
chromatic wrote: On Friday 14 July 2006 12:27, Jonathan Rockway wrote: I should be more clear; I'm looking for 10-15,000 word short books on very specific areas -- XML Processing with Perl, Writing Ajax Applications with Perl, Refactoring Perl, et cetera. I'm not ruling out a book or discou

Re: Time for a Revolution

2006-07-15 Thread Adam Kennedy
Why? Oh, why do people lately insist on offering up enticing tidbits of /what is to be the next great ordained (core|6pan|etc)/ without offering the community a chance to comment or participate? =( Randy. Well, in this case two reasons. Firstly, although I have what I hope is a tentative man

Re: Time for a Revolution

2006-07-14 Thread Randy W. Sims
Adam Kennedy wrote: Unlike what others said, "core" perl shouldn't be the vehicle for this, most likely, given the more stringent support and backwards compatibility. We want to be able to change the composition of "PerlPlus" overtime, and once things go into core, they're pretty stuck. I sh

Re: Time for a Revolution

2006-07-14 Thread Adam Kennedy
Unlike what others said, "core" perl shouldn't be the vehicle for this, most likely, given the more stringent support and backwards compatibility. We want to be able to change the composition of "PerlPlus" overtime, and once things go into core, they're pretty stuck. I should note for the rec

Re: Time for a Revolution

2006-07-14 Thread Chris Dolan
On Jul 14, 2006, at 8:03 PM, chromatic wrote: On Friday 14 July 2006 17:59, Andrew Savige wrote: I thought Chromatic might be the name of chromatic's father or older brother. No, that's Mixolydian and Ionian, respectively. -- c (Yes, of course my mother is Dorian. What were you thinking?)

Re: Time for a Revolution

2006-07-14 Thread chromatic
On Friday 14 July 2006 17:59, Andrew Savige wrote: > I thought Chromatic might be the name of chromatic's father or older > brother. No, that's Mixolydian and Ionian, respectively. -- c (Yes, of course my mother is Dorian. What were you thinking?)

Re: Time for a Revolution

2006-07-14 Thread Andrew Savige
--- Nicholas Clark wrote: > On Sat, Jul 15, 2006 at 08:36:54AM +1000, Andrew Savige wrote: > > Who's Chromatic? > > And it wasn't even the start of a sentence. :-) > > [When doing the perl 6 summaries, Piers reconciled the forces of accuracy and > traditional grammar by ensuring by always rephras

Re: Time for a Revolution

2006-07-14 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Sat, Jul 15, 2006 at 08:36:54AM +1000, Andrew Savige wrote: > --- Clayton O'Neill wrote: > > I think a core difference between your list and Chromatic's is that > > yours would be part of the standard library in a lot of languages, > > whereas Chromatic seems to be aiming more for things that wo

Re: Time for a Revolution

2006-07-14 Thread Andrew Savige
--- Clayton O'Neill wrote: > I think a core difference between your list and Chromatic's is that > yours would be part of the standard library in a lot of languages, > whereas Chromatic seems to be aiming more for things that would be > part of the language. Who's Chromatic? /-\

Re: Time for a Revolution

2006-07-14 Thread Clayton O'Neill
On 7/14/06, H.Merijn Brand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Look at the list of modules I include in my perl distributions for HP-UX at http://mirrors.develooper.com/hpux/#Perl and you might get an idea of what I think are useful modules that my work more effective. Not quite like yours is it? I thin

Re: Time for a Revolution

2006-07-14 Thread chromatic
On Friday 14 July 2006 12:27, Jonathan Rockway wrote: > A book like this is something that's been in the back of my mind for a > while. If there were real interest in this topic (and I think there > is), I would be happy to help out in a significant way, like writing > several chapters. > > If so

Re: Time for a Revolution

2006-07-14 Thread Jonathan Rockway
Or, perhaps we need the "Perl CPAN Cookbook" -- which would be like the Cookbook but focuses *only* on the greatest-hits modules across all the same categories. If CPAN is one of Perl's greatest strengths, shouldn't that get more attention, too? Er, right. Now let me don my editor hat.

Re: Time for a Revolution

2006-07-14 Thread chromatic
On Friday 14 July 2006 08:18, David Golden wrote: > Or, perhaps we need the "Perl CPAN Cookbook" -- which would be like the > Cookbook but focuses *only* on the greatest-hits modules across all the > same categories.  If CPAN is one of Perl's greatest strengths, shouldn't > that get more attention

Re: Time for a Revolution

2006-07-14 Thread David Golden
chromatic wrote: Why is there not a Bundle::PerlPlus (and yes, I've lathered up my yak with that name) that downloads and installs the modules that should have been in the box? For one, that should be "Task::PerlPlus". :-) Second, for any pre-packaged distribution like Strawberry Perl (see

Re: Time for a Revolution

2006-07-14 Thread H.Merijn Brand
On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 07:45:55 -0400, "Clayton O'Neill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Why off-list? this is a good reaction. > On 7/14/06, H.Merijn Brand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Look at the list of modules I include in my perl distributions for HP-UX at > > http://mirrors.develooper.com/hpux/#P

Re: Time for a Revolution

2006-07-14 Thread H.Merijn Brand
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:52:02 -0700, chromatic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 13 July 2006 23:37, H.Merijn Brand wrote: > > > If I got it right, the wish that was expressed is more like the wish for > > an installer with a GUI. > > Nope, just for a nice, easily-installable bundle of mod

Re: Time for a Revolution

2006-07-13 Thread chromatic
On Thursday 13 July 2006 23:37, H.Merijn Brand wrote: > If I got it right, the wish that was expressed is more like the wish for > an installer with a GUI. Nope, just for a nice, easily-installable bundle of modules that work around the unpleasant backwards compatibilities and warts of Perl 5.

Re: Time for a Revolution

2006-07-13 Thread H.Merijn Brand
On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 01:25:51 +0200, "A. Pagaltzis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * chromatic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-07-14 00:55]: > > Sure, but it's only one thing people need to remember. One > > thing is easier than N things, especially as N changes every > > time the core changes. > > Yes,

Re: Time for a Revolution

2006-07-13 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* chromatic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-07-14 00:55]: > Sure, but it's only one thing people need to remember. One > thing is easier than N things, especially as N changes every > time the core changes. Yes, I agree. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying Bundle::PerlPlus is a bad idea (though in addin

Re: Time for a Revolution

2006-07-13 Thread chromatic
On Thursday 13 July 2006 15:40, A. Pagaltzis wrote: > People would install these modules anyway even if they > never get into core or a Bundle::PerlPlus, if they knew that > these modules are important to them in the first place. That's really the point. Instead of saying, "Go install X and Y an

Re: Time for a Revolution

2006-07-13 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* chromatic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-07-13 23:25]: > On Thursday 13 July 2006 13:32, A. Pagaltzis wrote: > >I thought that’s called “the core distribution.” NEXT is > >already in there. So is List::Util (a big deal for me). > > Maybe for Perl 5.9.x... but how long will it be between someone > rea

Re: Time for a Revolution

2006-07-13 Thread Ian Langworth
On 7/13/06, chromatic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Why is there not a Bundle::PerlPlus (and yes, I've lathered up my yak with that name) that downloads and installs the modules that should have been in the box? Sure, a Bundle::PerlPlus would be fun. Installing it wouldn't be. Perl module instal

Re: Time for a Revolution

2006-07-13 Thread chromatic
On Thursday 13 July 2006 13:32, A. Pagaltzis wrote: > I thought that’s called “the core distribution.” NEXT is already > in there. So is List::Util (a big deal for me). Maybe for Perl 5.9.x... but how long will it be between someone realizing "Hey, SUPER should have been in Perl 5 from the start

Re: Time for a Revolution

2006-07-13 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* chromatic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-07-13 21:10]: > Why is there not a Bundle::PerlPlus (and yes, I've lathered up > my yak with that name) that downloads and installs the modules > that should have been in the box? I thought that’s called “the core distribution.” NEXT is already in there. So is