In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matt Diephouse) wrote:
>On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 08:59:24 -0700, David Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>C signifies a role named "Iterate". Roles are sort of a
>mix of interfaces and mixins (as I understand it -- I'm still waiting
>for E12). So sayin
On Thursday, December 2, 2004, 10:08:31 AM, you
(mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, Austin Hastings wrote:
>> How about just having C< system() > return a clever object with .output and
>> .err methods?
> interesting...
> Michele
Prior art of this on Windows...
http:/
David Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Aren't lazy lists a funny kind of iterator? Ones that memoise their
> results. And supply an indexing method [].
As I mentioned the other day, I fail to see any material difference
between an iterator and a lazy list, except that a few operations are
allo
On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 08:59:24 -0700, David Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matt Diephouse) wrote:
> >Supposing
> >class Filehandle does Iterate; # Iterate or Iterator?
> >we have an easy way to create new iterators. I'm not sure how useful
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matt Diephouse) wrote:
>What I mean is that Perl takes an array and makes an iterator out of it.
>Sure, you probably don't think about it like that, but the behavior is
>the same (who says arrays need to iterate starting at element zero?).
I prob
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:58:13 -0800, Larry Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But then it's not a general iterator iterator. Plus it has the Unicode
> taint...
>
> Back to reality, another thought to weave in here is that something
> like
>
> for $iterator.each -> $x {...}
>
> might specify
Matthew Walton skribis 2004-12-01 10:11 (+):
> Well that depends... are you intending to write programs, or drive the
> world insane?
Yes.
Juerd
Juerd wrote:
Matthew Walton skribis 2004-12-01 9:55 (+):
Yes, that would be fun... almost worth throwing out a compiler warning
for that, especially if we've still got use warnings. Something like
Warning: «{ }» creates empty list
It should generate a warning similar to the warning of inte
Larry Wall wrote:
I thought so.
: I don't think I've ever used a hash slice in my life. Is there something
: wrong with me?
No, a lot of people are naturally monoindexous.
I like that word.
: >* The :w splitting happens after interpolation. So
: >
: > « foo $bar @baz »
: >
: > can end up
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Smylers) wrote:
>David Green writes:
>> I'm not even sure what those double-quotation marks are doing --
[...]
>Look back at how Larry defined the guillemets: [...]
>So the double-quotes in there are "shell-like", though I guess if you
>don't ha
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brent 'Dax' Royal-Gordon) wrote:
>I'm going to pull a Larry and think out
>loud for a minute here. Note that I speak authoritatively here,
Noted. Or not. =)
>Treating it like an array is wrong.
>On the other hand, what if a filehandle *is* an
John Siracusa writes:
> Call me crazy, but at this point I'm prone to stick with what I've done in
> Perl 5 for years:
>
> $var{'key1'}{'key2'}[3]{'key3'}
In which case do that, since it'll still work in Perl 6.
Actually, it works 'better' in Perl 6, since it doesn't mislead in any
way.
I'
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:10:48 -0800, Brent 'Dax' Royal-Gordon
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> John Siracusa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 11/30/04 9:54 PM, Matt Diephouse wrote:
> > > use CGI «:standard»;
> > > [...]
> > > use CGi <:standard>;
> >
> > Who is doing this? I'm just saying...
>
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:10:48 -0800, Brent 'Dax' Royal-Gordon
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> John Siracusa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Who is doing this? I'm just saying...
> >
> >use CGI ':standard';
I normally use qw// when use-ing. *shrug*
> And won't we just be doing:
>
> use CGI :
All the cool kids are thinking aloud these days. Why not jump on the
bandwagon?
Larry Wall writes:
> * We get the cute, clean and rather more typeable
>
> $var[3]
It looks like if you shook that up and down a bit, it would break in
half.
I wonder what would happen if we made <> a lit
John Siracusa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 11/30/04 9:54 PM, Matt Diephouse wrote:
> > use CGI «:standard»;
> > [...]
> > use CGi <:standard>;
>
> Who is doing this? I'm just saying...
>
>use CGI ':standard';
And won't we just be doing:
use CGI :standard;
anyway?
--
Brent '
On 11/30/04 9:54 PM, Matt Diephouse wrote:
> use CGI «:standard»;
> [...]
> use CGi <:standard>;
Who is doing this? I'm just saying...
use CGI ':standard';
It really ain't all that broke, is it?
-John
On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 03:03:38PM -0800, Jon Ericson wrote:
: Larry Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
:
: > The p5-to-p6 translator will turn any
: >
: > while () {...}
: >
: > into
: >
: > for @$handle {...}
:
: Including:
:
: while(<>) {...}
:
: to
:
: for @$ {...}
:
: ?
You le
On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 06:27:55PM -0500, Matt Fowles wrote:
: Even if he wasn't cackling, I admit to feeling it. I don't even use
: the qx/qq/qw stuff in perl5. I always got by with "".
:
: Although I must admit to liking python's C< r"..." > meaning
: absolutely raw string (useful for avoiding
On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 02:26:06PM -0800, Brent 'Dax' Royal-Gordon wrote:
: Larry Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: > * Since we already stole angles from iterators, «$fh» is not
: > how you make iterators iterate. Instead we use $fh.fetch (or
: > whatever) in scalar context, a
> "AH" == Austin Hastings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
AH> Larry Wall wrote:
>> * We get the cute, clean and rather more typeable
>>
>> $var[3]
>>
AH> No more or less typeable for me, or anyone else who can remap their
AH> keyboard. I'm presuming there's something costly about
Austin~
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:15:54 -0500, Austin Hastings
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Austin Hastings wrote:
>
> > Larry Wall wrote:
>
> And now, Piers is cackling madly at Matt: welcome to "perl6-hightraffic!"
>
> :-)
Even if he wasn't cackling, I admit to feeling it. I don't even use
th
Brent 'Dax' Royal-Gordon wrote:
I like this in general. However...
Larry Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
* Since we already stole angles from iterators, «$fh» is not
how you make iterators iterate. Instead we use $fh.fetch (or
whatever) in scalar context, and $fh.fetch or @$fh
A request to everyone who wants to discuss this again: please, read the
Backticks thread. Almost everything that can be said about this subject
has already been said before. It is a huge thread, and let's not copy
everything here.
Alexey Trofimenko skribis 2004-11-30 14:34 (+0300):
> but it puts
Juerd writes:
> For oneliners, I think I'd appreciate using -o for that. The module
> itself can be Perl::OneLiner. Things the module could do:
>
> * disable the default strict
The C<-e> flag indicating the one-liner disables C anyway.
Smylers
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:33:49 -0800, Larry Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Fri, Nov 26, 2004 at 07:32:58AM +0300, Alexey Trofimenko wrote:
: I notice that in Perl6 thoose funny  and  could be much more common
: than other paired brackets. And some people likes how they look, but
: nobody likes
Juerd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > but talking about oneliners and short shell-like scripts, where `` is
> > pretty useful.. hm.. things good for oneliners are rarely as good for
> > larger programs, and vice versa. Of course, Perl5 proves opposite, but
> > Perl6 tends to be a little more verbose
Matthew Walton wrote:
James Mastros wrote:
Larry Wall wrote:
On Fri, Nov 26, 2004 at 07:32:58AM +0300, Alexey Trofimenko wrote:
: ah, I forget, how could I do qx'echo $VAR' in Perl6? something like
: qx:noparse 'echo $VAR' ?
I think we need two more adverbs that add the special features of qx
On Fri, Nov 26, 2004 at 07:32:58AM +0300, Alexey Trofimenko wrote:
I notice that in Perl6 thoose funny « and » could be much more common
than other paired brackets. And some people likes how they look, but
nobody likes fact that there's no (and won't!) be a consistent way to type
them in diff
On Sun, Nov 28, 2004 at 12:24:08PM -0500, John Macdonald wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 27, 2004 at 08:21:06PM +0100, Juerd wrote:
> > James Mastros skribis 2004-11-27 11:36 (+0100):
> > > Much more clear, saves ` for other things
> >
> > I like the idea. But as a earlier thread showed, people find backtick
On Sat, Nov 27, 2004 at 08:21:06PM +0100, Juerd wrote:
> James Mastros skribis 2004-11-27 11:36 (+0100):
> > Much more clear, saves ` for other things
>
> I like the idea. But as a earlier thread showed, people find backticks
> ugly. Strangely enough, only when used for something other than
> read
James Mastros wrote:
Larry Wall wrote:
On Fri, Nov 26, 2004 at 07:32:58AM +0300, Alexey Trofimenko wrote:
: ah, I forget, how could I do qx'echo $VAR' in Perl6? something like
: qx:noparse 'echo $VAR' ?
I think we need two more adverbs that add the special features of qx
and qw,
so that you cou
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 10:28:28 -0800, Larry Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 26, 2004 at 02:10:06PM -0800, Larry Wall wrote:
> : I know everone has their reflexes tuned to type qw currently, but
> : how many of you Gentle Readers would feel blighted if we turned it
> : into q:w instead?
Larry Wall skribis 2004-11-26 9:33 (-0800):
> but that doesn't give you protection from other kinds of interpolation.
> I think we need two more adverbs that add the special features of qx and qw,
> so that you could write that: q:x/echo $VAR/ where ordinary qx/$cmd/
> is short for qq:x/$cmd/ Like
On Fri, Nov 26, 2004 at 07:32:58AM +0300, Alexey Trofimenko wrote:
: ah, I forget, how could I do qx'echo $VAR' in Perl6? something like
: qx:noparse 'echo $VAR' ?
Hmm, well, with the currently defined adverbs you'd have to say
qx:s(0)'echo $VAR'
but that doesn't give you protection from o
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:45:51 -0800, Larry Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
Hmm, I would say that "" is short for qq//, not qq"". Quote characters
lose their identity when used with generalized quotes. (I realize this
is not always true with Perl 5, but that can be construed as a mistake.)
So Â
Larry Wall writes:
> PerlMonks has no problem displaying «», but I haven't a clue how to
> type it into my browser yet.
If your browser is using Gnome then holding down Ctrl+Shift while typing
AB (for «) or BB (for ») might work. (This is also working for me
typing this in 'Vim' in a 'Gnome Term
Larry Wall skribis 2004-11-25 13:45 (-0800):
> Hmm, I would say that "" is short for qq//, not qq"". Quote characters
> lose their identity when used with generalized quotes. (I realize this
> is not always true with Perl 5, but that can be construed as a mistake.)
> So «» is not really short for
On Thu, Nov 25, 2004 at 09:55:54PM +0100, Juerd wrote:
: As we now know, in many situations, << and « mean the same thing. In
: exactly those situations, the same is true for >> and ». However,
: sometimes, « cannot be used where << can. Here-docs are an example.
:
: «» (or <<>>, if you wish) quot
Juerd writes:
> As we now know, in many situations, << and « mean the same thing. In
> exactly those situations, the same is true for >> and ». However,
> sometimes, « cannot be used where << can. Here-docs are an example.
Why can't « be used for here-docs? I thought Larry had said they were
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