table in the trigger
and check the current status of the table and set the column based on
that current status.
I want to make sure that between the time the trigger completes and
when the insert finally happens that another session can't also do an
insert and see the same ta
ore than one table
insert into semething (default);
and:
begin;
-- fires a trigger that updates more than one table
insert into somthing (default);
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't have updates in other
sessions due to the lock so I'll see a frozen view of that table
regardless of serializable.
In other words, using serializable doesn't add anything if the table
is already locked in the transaction and all I'm looking at is that
one locked table.
Thanks,
tsc
/v:MyRemoteServerName /console". Using the Win2K3 RDP client, I think
there is a checkbox to do this.) Don't know if this will help with the
PostgreSQL install since I still do all mine at the servers at the
moment, but it does work with many other apps that want to be installed
"a
aracter encodings.
Is the Holy Grail encoding and lc_collate settings per column?
Changing topics, but I'm going to play with different cluster
settings for collate. If I create a cluster in given directory
is there any problems with moving that cluster (renaming the
directory)?
Th
On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 01:40:09PM -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
> Bill Moseley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > - To clarify the first point, if the database is encoded utf-8 and
> > lc_collate is en_US then Postgresql does NOT try to convert utf-8 to
> > 8859-1 before sorting
n that point.
> > 5) I suppose there's not way to answer this, short of running
> > benchmarks, but any ideas what using a lc_collate with utf-8 would do
> > to performance? Is it a big hit?
>
> I don't know why that would be a problem.
Just that sorting utf8 i
ee:
Zo
But, if on that same remote machine I run a unicode xterm (uxterm in
Debian) then in that xterm window I do:
utf8test=> \encoding
UNICODE
utf8test=> select first_name from person where last_name = 'Anderson';
Zoë (correct)
On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 12:35:34AM -0700, Michael Fuhr wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 11:59:30AM -0800, Bill Moseley wrote:
> > How do I make a join on the class table but not effect the left outer
> > join?
>
> Are you looking for something like this?
>
> LEFT O
review_mode IS FALSE
AND class_domain.class = c.id
AND class_domain.domain = 1
)
But, that's not part of the join, of course.
How do I make a join on the class table but not effect the left outer
join?
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On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 02:06:35PM -0800, Bill Moseley wrote:
> The now working query (thanks to you!) is:
No that doesn't work. It's dropping the people that have never
been assigned a class to teach (i.e. don't have a row in the
"instructors" link table).
>
0 |4
31 | 4 | 4 | 0 |4
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On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 11:45:34AM -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 05:40:10 -0800,
> Bill Moseley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Here's where I'm missing something. Trying to do an outer join on
> > to bring in the class
class = class.id ),
person_role
WHERE person_role.person = person.id
AND person_role.role = 3
GROUP BY person.id, last_name;
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On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 11:34:21PM -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
> No, I'm saying that the underlying data (the join result before applying
> DISTINCT ON) looks like this:
>
> bill=# select "class".id, person.id AS person_id
> bill-#FROM "class", "
On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 07:48:06PM -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
> Bill Moseley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > [ strange behavior ]
>
> Oh, duh, it's not a PG bug: the problem is that the view is
> underspecified. You have
>
> SELECT DISTINCT ON (class.id)
>
On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 10:53:21AM -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
> Bill Moseley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > The first plan below returns the correct number of rows, the second plan
> > does
> > not. These are after I did the reindex, btw.
>
> Bizarre. What are t
; Index Scan using
instructors_class_index on instructors (cost=0.00..52.00 rows=1000 width=8)
-> Hash (cost=20.00..20.00 rows=1000
width=142)
-> Seq Scan on "location"
(cost=0.00..20.00 rows=1000 width=
begin_reg_time |
@@ -27 +27 @@
-register_cutoff_time| 2005-12-11 19:00:00-08
+register_cutoff_time| 2005-12-24 19:15:00-08
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and so far everything seems to be working properly. Or is just a matter
of my not having bumped into a problem yet?
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>
> Bill Bartlett wrote:
>
> >I hit this exact same problem, and my initial reaction was
> the same as
> >yours -- psql was "hanging". After much head-banging, I discovered
> >that it is not in fact hanging, but is instead getting confused by
>
Cygwin is v7.4.5.
There is v8.x code available in CVS, but you'll have to compile it
yourself. I'm also planning on doing this too, but I haven't had the
time.
- Bill
Bill Bartlett
meridianEMR, Inc.
http://www.meridianemr.com/
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTE
a new platform: most of the time they'll
go with the safer solution rather than the riskier one -- there's always
one eye on future consulting business.) No, this obviously won't always
be the case, but it's inevitable that at least some portion of the
projects that would have chosen Pos
[snipped]
> May not be the best choice on Windows for production use, though for
> development, it should be adequate.
Are there known issues with the Windows version for production use, or
is this simply because of the relative newness of the Windows-native
version?
integer | not null
Indexes:
"person_role_pkey" primary key, btree (person, role)
Foreign-key constraints:
"$2" FOREIGN KEY (role) REFERENCES role(id) ON DELETE RESTRICT
"$1" FOREIGN KEY (person) REFERENCES person(id) ON DELETE CASCADE
Thanks,
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e-normalize the data.
Maybe I can just create three views (future, recent, old) and live
with that.
The temporary table is another possibility I'll look into.
Thank you very much for spending time on this. I really appreciate
it.
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SELECT *
FROM
(SELECT person.id AS person_id, first_name
FROM person) p
INNER JOIN
(SELECT class.id AS class_id, class_time
FROM class) c
INNER JOIN
(SELECT person, count(class) AS class_count
UP BY
clause or be used in an aggregate function
Is there a reason Postgresql doesn't just add the column
automatically? It does in other cases (like a missing table in a
join).
Thanks
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On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 10:02:28AM -0500, Thomas O'Connell wrote:
>
> On Sep 16, 2005, at 9:18 AM, Bill Moseley wrote:
>
> >First question is why the planner is not using an index scan when I
> >use "now()" or CURRENT_TIMESTAMP?
>
> It also used to be
ACUUM (or
> both) or tweaking the statistics parameters of the columns.
I did wonder about the planner stats, so I had run ANALYZE on the
database with no change. I just now ran VACUUM (and VACUUM ANALYZE),
and again see no change. Perhaps my table is just too small for this
test.
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81..707.90 rows=437 width=8)
Sort Key: instructors.person
-> Hash IN Join (cost=656.65..687.64 rows=437 width=8)
Hash Cond: ("outer"."class" = "inner".id)
-> Seq Scan on instructors (cost=0
rouped columns except within aggregate
functions, since there would be more than one possible value to
return for an ungrouped column.
Frankly, I cannot see how it might change results of a select between
the two views. Am I missing something?
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't really
care), but class_time is a column in the "class" table which I'm using
DISTINCT ON on, so that should be unique as well. So I assume you
meant random choice of first_name, not class_time.
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On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 08:01:26AM -0700, Bill Moseley wrote:
> DROP VIEW cl;
> CREATE VIEW cl (id, class_time, instructor)
> AS
> SELECT DISTINCT ON(class.id)
>class.id, class.class_time, pe
On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 08:05:36AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 23:12:17 -0700,
> Bill Moseley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I need a little SQL help:
> >
> > I'm trying to get a subselect working inside a view.
>
> Unfort
ass_time | instructor
-++
544 | 2005-08-31 09:00:00-07 | Cheryl
555 | 2005-09-30 09:00:00-07 | Cheryl
737 | 2005-08-30 09:00:00-07 | Cynthia
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k. I suspect I'm missing
something obvious.
Thanks,
Oh BTW -- If I do a count(*) and a WHERE that only includes columns in
the "class" table on the VIEW, will Postgresql still do the joins? Or
will it only do the select on the "class" table. I
ExecNestLoop ()
#4 0x08102ceb in ExecProcNode ()
#5 0x081093a4 in ExecAgg ()
#6 0x08102c79 in ExecProcNode ()
#7 0x08101ecc in ExecutorRun ()
#8 0x0816f58b in PortalSetResultFormat ()
#9 0x0816f8c7 in PortalRun ()
#10 0x0816da9f in PostgresMain ()
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ably faster for my client application
to parse epoch from the database, though.
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> uses the DB...
You mean other than setting "alarm 0;"?
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27;s that. I'm not really sure why there's a need for a ping
-- and I've heard others question it, too.
Perl's DBI has a connect_cached() function that is suppose to return a
cached connection if it's still alive. So that is one place "ping" is
used. If ping fail
selects are always going to have something like WHERE
type = 'course' added onto the WHERE. That's extra processing for no
good reason.
> I'm sure there are many ways to get there. To me, the way I've
> described is the most-direct way to represent the relationships y
us classes. There also needs to be a link between the two.
For example, you might want to show a list of courses, and then see
what classes are scheduled for a given course, so a class should
reference its parent course.
Thanks very much,
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is not allowing SELECTS.
What I did in my code was if ping fails, call rollback and then try
ping one more time. But, I'm not clear if that works in a more
general case or what might happen if the connection really is broken.
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On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 08:25:25PM +0200, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 11:05:35AM -0700, Bill Moseley wrote:
> > I've read over the docs on Concurrency Control but still not clear
> > about when transactions block other updates, and how to deal
until either a
COMMIT or ROLLBACK.
Is it common for applications using Postgresql to set a timer on
updates and abort?
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so I'm thinking of just manually updating all the
rows in sequence to adjust the order when needed -- to make things a
bit more simple. But it is a problem that I am curious about how best
to solve in a scalable way.
Thanks very much for your feedback.
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e SELECT and then *only* do
an UPDATE if the SELECT returns at least one row.
So, I should do:
SET TRANSACTION ISOLATION LEVEL SERIALIZABLE;
Before the SELECT. And when I UPDATE I need to be prepared to do a
ROLLBACK if I get an error and repeat the process. (And, I assume,
take some precauti
up in the sort order relative to others.
SELECT id FROM __TABLE__
WHERE
sort_order <= (SELECT sort_order FROM __TABLE__ WHERE id = ?)
AND id != ?;
If that returns any rows then I know I can call the UPDATE to move the
item up.
Again,
All,
Is there a way to determine cardinality (size) of an
index? In general how to you query the 'attributes'
(for lack of a better word) of an index.
thanks,
Bill
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not specify 'evt_id' values directly. Does
anybody have any ideas about how this could have
gotten out of sync?
thanks,
Bill
--- Alvaro Herrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 08:48:15AM -0700, Bill
> Chandler wrote:
>
> > How does one find ou
Is that not correct?
Bill
--- Alvaro Herrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 07:59:55AM -0700, Bill
> Chandler wrote:
> > I'm sorry, was working on little sleep yesterday.
> You
> > are right, the table was created with the columns
> i
the pg_dump output conatins explicit
evt_id values for each row added so after creating the
database from the pg_dump output the sequence is still
at 1 when it should really be at 23040.
How does one find out the current sequence value? Is
there a way to change it?
Bill
--- Bill Chandler
;10.25', 1, 739950991)
Bill
--- Ragnar Hafstað <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-04-11 at 11:03 -0700, Bill Chandler
> wrote:
>
> > ERROR: duplicate key violates unique constraint
> > event_tbl_evt_id_key
>
> > EVENT_TBL
> > evt_id
For what its worth, the command is being issued via
JDBC app.
If the exact command is important I could have them
turn on logging and I could get that for you.
Bill
--- Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bill Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Client is getting the
never attempt to minipulate the
sequence/index for the column in any way.
Short of the client mucking around with the column in
an unauthorized manner, can anybody think of a reason
how things might get confused and an already used
'evt_id' value is used again?
Regards,
Bill
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Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Let's take the following fictional scenerio:
>
> > BEGIN;
> > INSERT INTO table1 VALUES ('somestring');
> > INSERT INTO table1 VALUES ('anotherstring
he second INSERT is not
executed if the first fails, but the function is always called.
So ... I'm a little fuzzy on this. Is there a doc that details this
behaviour?
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would be a good thing or not.
The proponent certainly left a bad taste in my mouth after his little
crossposting stunt - but I will still vote on the *proposal*, and not
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third party. Questions about
the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Mike Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Votetaker: Bill Aten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
RATIONALE: comp.databases.postgresql
To provide a Big-Eight usenet group for users of the PostgreSQL
Relational Databas
tm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
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> Woodchuck Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> The proponent certainly left a bad taste in my mouth after his
>> little ...
>
> Too much information.
>
LOL. Get your
Hello!
Clay Shirky made a comment about MySQL that I thought the PostgreSQL
community should be aware of:
http://www.shirky.com/writings/situated_software.html
It's the section (mostly toward the bottom) entitled, "The Nature of
Programming, and the Curious Case of MySQL". The whole article
al of the large usenet servers.
>
> What are the rules for creating new groups in pgsgl.*?
>
>
Fiat-only by Marc. ;-)
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] ("Joshua D. Drake") wrote in
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>
>> So the current state of affairs is that we have the gated, official
>> pgsql.* newsgroups, and the comp.* stuff is not gated in either
>> direction?
Yes.
>> If that's the case, there should be a weekly/monthly remind
et I don't see what I
could be doing wrong.
Has anyone actually done this process successfully? Could you let me know
which version and which mirror?
Bill Kurland
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jan Wieck) wrote in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> On 11/30/2004 2:37 PM, Gary L. Burnore wrote:
>
>> Perhaps I wasn't clear. I don't care WHO you are. I've already asked
>> you once to stay out of my email. Further emails from you will be
>> reported to both Yahoo and Comcast as
Marc G. Fournier From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Harris) writes:
>
>>"Marc G. Fournier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>> "If there was an official newsgroup for postgresql, would you swit
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joel) wrote in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
(crosspost added to news.groups)
> As long as the web page maintainers are going to the trouble of taking a
> survey, might I (at the risk of being tarred and feathered :-p) suggest
> a more thorough survey?
>
> Suggested questions:
>
>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>>Trying to sway the vote?
>
> There has been no CFV. During an RFD, he's completely entitled to try
> to persuade others people to vote yes or no when the time comes.
I didn't say that he was not entitled.
> Bil
Marc G. Fournier From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>>On 30 Nov 2004 22:55:00 GMT, Woodchuck Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>wrote:
>
>>>Marc G. Fournier From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
>
s worth, even if it does seem more painful at
the time.
My $0.02.
Bill
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>
The pgsql.* groups are now on the ISC list..
ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/CONFIG/newsgroups
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Robert McClenon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
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> On 27 Nov 2004 18:32:35 GMT, Woodchuck Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>>Robert McClenon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
>>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>>
>>> However, I wi
tion. He
gets an e-mail from a moderator's robot. This creates major confusion. He
is not aware that 99 percent of the NG volume comes from e-mails to mailing
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ny of these
>>newsgroups.
>
> Newbies would, yeah. but pgsql is a common reference to it.
Newbies looking for an entry level group might pass novice or general and
find a dead alt.* group as the only newsgroup with "postgresql" in the
name. Something to consider.
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m's
spoofed e-mail address. This system is too vulnerable to abuse. The groups
should be moderated, for one. Second, Marc needs to decide whether he wants
the groups to be in pgsql.*, *or* comp.* ... not both. The lists and gating
methods should all be explained in detail on t
Woodchuck Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
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> "Adam H. Kerman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> news:pIOdndYMRqGJ7DrcRVn- [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>
>> Are these meant to be worldwide Usenet groups
>> or newsgroups local to your server
u're still trying to shove your list up USENet's ass instead of
>> doing it the proper way. Why is that?
>
> I will not speak for Marc but say that as a member of the mailing list,
> I think he does an excellent job of advocating the best inte
s pretty much the point
> somebody else made to a similar suggestion. (I.e.: Propagation might
> be poor.)
It might take a long time for a new hierarchy to become universally
accepted and well propagated, but it is marginally better than having rogue
groups in unauthorized
ral? Different
message IDs for each of the dupes.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] ("Marc G. Fournier") wrote in
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>
> Due to recent action by Google concerning the
> comp.databases.postgresql.* hierarchy, we are going to make some
> changes that should satisfy just about everyone ... over the next
> 24hrs or so, traffic *to* comp.databa
stubborn
and keep things the way they are, which has already resulted in
fragmentation of his rogue hierarchy as Google has dropped them, and other
servers will probably follow now that the rogue nature of these groups is
being more publicized due to this RFD.
Somethin
ou know that?
Marc can use this as an opportunity to start fresh, but now he wants to
have 2 newsgroups for each list? And you say that he is making things
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one in comp.* and
one in pgsql.*) then the credibility of his hierarchy will go further down
the drain.
> So much for working out the problems.
No further comment.
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o document
an existing PostgreSQL database. I've also designed more than one
database in Druid and then exported the result to PostgreSQL.
> Thanks all the same, Bill, I'll try to keep an eye on this project.
You're welcome.
Bill
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SER statement in database.backup, to no avail.
Any suggestions? I'm guessing it's an easy answer that just escapes me.
<*>
Once I get that done, I might as well get rid of the cygwin PostgreSQL.
Is there any problem in simply uninstalling it usin
Bill Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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> da
> tabase.backup
> Password:
> psql: FATAL: password authentication failed for user "user name"
It was a relatively easy answer. I tempo
which depends on the type of another column...).
Would Druid (http://druid.sourceforge.net/) help?
Bill
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Mike, please reconsider your position. Your second RFD looks really good,
and the 5 groups that you chose are right on the money. You are a good
proponent. You've taken all of the feedback into account, good and bad, and
implemented the appropriate changes. Don't let
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ("Marc G. Fournier") wrote in
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> As a side note ... if/when the CFV is called and those 4 are
> approved/rejected, that will not change what is available on
> news.postgresql.org, it will only improve the propogation of those 4
> specific groups so that
>
> That's my whole point.. He's responded in the mailing list to an issue
> being raised here. That does him about as much good as wiping his rear
> with 20 grit sandpaper.
He's being defiant .. Rebel without a CFV! ;-)
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groups as they like? Some servers will carry the groups, others will not.
There should be no accountability for someone doing this. There is nothing
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result in the
next few days, would you have any problem with the proponents sending out a
control message anyway? Archiving the rogue group in Google Groups? If
nothing else, taking no steps toward action sets a bad example, and might
encourage others to skip the RFD and create more rogue groups.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Stanley) wrote in
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> Obviously there is nothing wrong with it. As I seem to recall, one of
> the admins who (routinely?) created bogus groups is now part of the NAN
> moderating team.
Who would that be?
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rogue groups will
continue to operate as they currently do, regardless of the CFV outcome.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] ("Marc G. Fournier") wrote in
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> Unless its spam, it goes through ... I don't (nor have I ever) refused a
> post based on content other then spam ... even if its anti-PostgreSQL
> *shrug*
The problem with the system is that the spam *all* gets posted to
ay their status is clear to all subscribers, the commercial
> usnet providers would have a well managed big 9, and would not be
> forced to choose between having a well managed hierarchy or doing
> carrying the groups customers demand.
You frighten me. ;-)
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