Re: [PERFORM] [HACKERS] OSS database needed for testing

2003-04-03 Thread mlw
Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 13:26:01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know that it meets your criteria, but. I have a set of scripts and a program that will load the US Census TigerUA database into PostgreSQL. The thing is absolutely freak'n huge. I forget whic

Re: [HACKERS] contrib and licensing

2003-04-03 Thread mlw
Jan Wieck wrote: "Marc G. Fournier" wrote: On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, scott.marlowe wrote: If that is a real objective, I'm surprised. The base source tree has always been as BSD pure as we can make it ... its never been kept a secret ... True. But not linking to LGPLd libs

Re: [HACKERS] contrib and licensing

2003-04-03 Thread mlw
Tom Lane wrote: On other Unixoid systems you can link against BSD-license libc code, or some-random-proprietary-license code from HP or Sun or whomever. glibc doesn't have a monopoly in that sphere. But mlw is offering code that will *only* run against a single implementation that is

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL and SOAP, suggestions?

2003-04-03 Thread mlw
Hannu Krosing wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] kirjutas N, 03.04.2003 kell 02:01: mlw wrote: I think you are interpreting the spec a bit too restrictively. The syntax is fairly rigid, but the spec has a great degree of flexibility. I agree that, syntactically, it must work through a parser

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL and SOAP, suggestions?

2003-04-02 Thread mlw
Hannu Krosing wrote: mlw kirjutas K, 02.04.2003 kell 15:56: Hannu Krosing wrote: What you have come up with _is_not_ a SOAP v1.1 message at all. It does use some elements with similar names but from different namespace. the SOAP Envelope, Header and Body elemants must be from namespace

Re: [HACKERS] contrib and licensing

2003-04-02 Thread mlw
Tom Lane wrote: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I know nothing in contrib should be GPL, I have no problem with that. The question is the requirement of a GPL library to build a contrib project. My SOAP/XML function will probably require my LGPL library as there is a lot of

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL and SOAP, suggestions?

2003-04-02 Thread mlw
Hannu Krosing wrote: mlw kirjutas T, 01.04.2003 kell 15:29: Hannu Krosing wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] kirjutas E, 31.03.2003 kell 19:52: Actually, as far as I am aware, the header is for metadata, i.e. it is the place to describe the data being returned. Did you read

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL and SOAP, suggestions?

2003-04-01 Thread mlw
cords has very little affect on efficiency. I think the table2xml function is great for 99% of all the queries, but for those huge resultsets, I think it may be problematic. What do you think? BTW, I routinely have queries that return millions of rows. Peter Eisentraut wrote: mlw writes: Gi

[HACKERS] contrib and licensing

2003-04-01 Thread mlw
I know nothing in contrib should be GPL, I have no problem with that. The question is the requirement of a GPL library to build a contrib project. My SOAP/XML function will probably require my LGPL library as there is a lot of code I have written that I would need to implement it. Is there any

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL and SOAP, suggestions?

2003-04-01 Thread mlw
Hannu Krosing wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] kirjutas E, 31.03.2003 kell 19:52: Actually, as far as I am aware, the header is for metadata, i.e. it is the place to describe the data being returned. Did you read the SOAP spec ? yes The description of the fields isn't the actual data retrie

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL and SOAP, suggestions?

2003-03-30 Thread mlw
A 203429573 1 203429573 177516 1 1 Papa Was A Rolling Stone 10411 P 2 1 2 Steve Wampler wrote: On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 14:39, mlw wrote: I was thinking of using SOAP over HTTP as the protocol, and a minimalist version at b

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL and SOAP, version 7.4/8.0

2003-03-28 Thread mlw
g better than SOAP." It still stands that a SOAP interface would be useful for people. On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 09:01:08AM -0500, mlw wrote: I have been working on moving some of my software to a more SOAP compatible interface. As I was doing it, it occured to me that a generic functi

[HACKERS] PostgreSQL and SOAP, version 7.4/8.0

2003-03-28 Thread mlw
I have been working on moving some of my software to a more SOAP compatible interface. As I was doing it, it occured to me that a generic function could be written, in PostgreSQL's new function manager that allows multiple columns to be returned, that is a generic SOAP interface. All one would

[HACKERS] Case insensitivity, and option?

2003-03-12 Thread mlw
I was at a client office reviewing some code. They use MSSQL and I noticed that: select * from table where field = 'blah'; gave the same results as: select * from table where field = 'BLah'; I was shocked. (a) because I know a lot of my code could be easier to write, and (b) that their code woul

Re: [HACKERS] Numbering of the next release: 8.0 vs 7.4

2003-03-12 Thread mlw
Justin Clift wrote: Hi everyone, Thinking about the numbering further. Would it be cool to decide on the version numbering of our next release like this: + If it looks like we'll have Win32 and/or PITR recovery in time for the next release, we call it PostgreSQL 8.0 + If not, we call it

[HACKERS] What's up with www.postgresql.org?

2003-03-07 Thread mlw
I haven't been able to get to it all morning. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org

Re: [HACKERS] talking to postgresql from C/C++

2003-03-07 Thread mlw
I read your post, and I am struck by a few things, I am not sure I will answer all your points, but maybe a discussion is in order. I use PostgreSQL with C++ all the time. I actually have a SQL class that abstracts libpq and ODBC, so I'm pretty much past a lot of the "how I want to use it" stuf

Re: [HACKERS] Aggregate "rollup"

2003-03-06 Thread mlw
Merlin Moncure wrote: -Original Message- From: mlw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 3:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [HACKERS] Aggregate "rollup" I had written a piece of code about two years ago that used the aggregate feature of PostgreSQL to

[HACKERS] Aggregate "rollup"

2003-03-05 Thread mlw
I had written a piece of code about two years ago that used the aggregate feature of PostgreSQL to create an array of integers from an aggregate, as: select int_array_aggregate( column ) from table group by column While it seems pointless to create an array on a select, it has a purpose in OLA

Re: [HACKERS] Best setup for RAM drive

2003-03-05 Thread mlw
The idea of a RAM disk based database and reliable storage are in complete opposition. Forget it. The question is: What do you need the *raw* speed of a RAM disk for, and what can you tollerate for overhead for reliability? You have posed a question about how to implement a flawed solution, wha

Re: [HACKERS] analyze after a database restore?

2003-02-27 Thread mlw
D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote: On Thursday 27 February 2003 13:12, mlw wrote: Tom Lane wrote: A single ANALYZE at the end of the script would be sufficient. I'm not sure that pg_dump should do this automatically though. If you're not done restoring then it's mostly a wast

Re: [HACKERS] analyze after a database restore?

2003-02-27 Thread mlw
Tom Lane wrote: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Should pg_dump appened an ANALYZE for each table? A single ANALYZE at the end of the script would be sufficient. I'm not sure that pg_dump should do this automatically though. If you're not done restoring then it

[HACKERS] analyze after a database restore?

2003-02-27 Thread mlw
I just dumped and restored a rather large database, I upgraded from 7.2.x to 7.3.x. When I went to test my application against the new database, it was dog slow. It had all the indexes, and looked fine. Then it dawned on me, Doh! ANALYZE! Should pg_dump appened an ANALYZE for each table? On sm

Re: [HACKERS] ILIKE

2003-02-25 Thread mlw
I don't understand why you would want to remove a working feature. Even if they are features which you do not like, why remove them? One of the things about the PostgreSQL core team that troubles me is a fairly arbitrary feature selection process. It seems a feature has to be "liked" by someone

Re: [HACKERS] ILIKE

2003-02-22 Thread mlw
I am not familiar with ILIKE, but I suspect that if people are moving from a platfrom on which it exists, or even creatingmulti-platform applications, there may be a substancial amount of code that may use it. Peter Eisentraut wrote: AFAICT, ILIKE cannot use an index. So why does ILIKE even ex

Re: [HACKERS] The last configuration file patch (I hope!) This one

2003-02-19 Thread mlw
Bruce Momjian wrote: mlw wrote: I raised the possibility of moving the pid file only last week. Tom pointed out that it acts as a lock on the database to prevent two postmasters' trying to manage the same database. As such it should NOT be a configurable parameter. This

Re: [HACKERS] The last configuration file patch (I hope!) This one

2003-02-19 Thread mlw
Oliver Elphick wrote: On Wed, 2003-02-19 at 02:43, mlw wrote: PostgreSQL Extended Configuration Patch ... --- Run-time process ID --- postmaster -R /var/run/postmaster.pid This will direct PostgreSQL to write its process ID number to a file, /var/run/postgresql.conf

[HACKERS] The last configuration file patch (I hope!) This one does it all.

2003-02-18 Thread mlw
:B:b:c:D:d:Fh:ik:lm:MN:no:p:Ss-:")) != -1) + while ((opt = getopt(argc, argv, "A:a:B:b:C:c:D:d:Fh:ik:lm:MN:no:p:R:Ss-:")) != -1) { switch (opt) { @@ -441,6 +442,9 @@

[HACKERS] Yet another configuration patch with include, and configuration dir

2003-02-17 Thread mlw
:c:D:d:Fh:ik:lm:MN:no:p:Ss-:")) != -1) + while ((opt = getopt(argc, argv, "A:a:B:b:C:c:D:d:Fh:ik:lm:MN:no:p:Ss-:")) != +-1) { switch (opt) { @@ -441,6 +441,9 @@ case 'b': /* Can

Re: [HACKERS] new Configuration patch, implements 'include'

2003-02-17 Thread mlw
Bruce Momjian wrote: mlw wrote: I don't like the idea of specifying a directory, per se' because if you have multiple database installations, how would you share the configuration without symlinks? Oh, for example, you would be sharing postgresql.conf, perhaps, but not p

Re: [HACKERS] new Configuration patch, implements 'include'

2003-02-17 Thread mlw
Tom Lane wrote: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: If no hba_conf and/or ident_conf setting is specified, the default $PGDATA/pg_hba.conf and/or $PGDATA/pg_ident.conf will be used. Doesn't anybody see the (a) inconsistency and (b) uselessness of this? If you are trying to keep

[HACKERS] new Configuration patch, implements 'include'

2003-02-17 Thread mlw
t;A:a:B:b:C:c:D:d:Fh:ik:lm:MN:no:p:Ss-:")) != +-1) { switch (opt) { @@ -441,6 +441,9 @@ case 'b': /* Can no longer set the backend executable file to use. */

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-16 Thread mlw
Tom Lane wrote: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The idea of using a "directory" puts us back to using symlinks to share files. So? If you want to share files, you're probably sharing all three config files and don't need a separate directory at all.

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-16 Thread mlw
Tom Lane wrote: Peter Eisentraut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Tom Lane writes: I would favor a setup that allows a -C *directory* (not file) to be specified as a postmaster parameter separately from the -D directory; A directory is not going to satisfy people. Why not?

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-15 Thread mlw
Martin Coxall wrote: On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 20:28, Steve Crawford wrote: I don't see why we can't keep everyone happy and let the users choose the setup they want. To wit, make the following, probably simple, changes: 1) Have postgresql default to using /etc/postgresql.conf /etc/postg

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-15 Thread mlw
Robert Treat wrote: Seems like some are saying one of the problems with the current system is it doesn't follow FHS or LSB. If those are valid reasons to change the system, it seems like a change which doesn't actually address those concerns would not be acceptable. (Unless those really aren't

Re: [HACKERS] Location of the configuration files, round 2

2003-02-14 Thread mlw
One of the things that I HATE about this discussion is that everyone wants to put limits on configurability. I am an old fashion UNIX guy, capability without enforcing policy! Adding an ability is different than enforcing a policy. All I any to do is add the capability of configuration in a way

[HACKERS] Configuration file patch

2003-02-13 Thread mlw
s-:")) != -1) + while ((opt = getopt(argc, argv, "A:a:B:b:C:c:D:d:Fh:ik:lm:MN:no:p:Ss-:")) != +-1) { switch (opt) { @@ -441,6 +441,9 @@ case 'b': /* Can no longer set the backend e

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-13 Thread mlw
Robert Treat wrote: On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 14:51, mlw wrote: Robert Treat wrote: On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 12:13, mlw wrote: My patch only works on the PostgreSQL server code. No changes have been made to the initialization scripts. The patch declares three extra

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-13 Thread mlw
Bruce Momjian wrote: Robert Treat wrote: IIRC the postmaster.pid file should be in /var/run according to FHS, I'm not sure about postmaster.opts though... Again, if we're going to make a change, let's make sure we think it through. Can non-root write to /var/run?

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-13 Thread mlw
scott.marlowe wrote: These are not issues at all. You could put the configuration file anywhere, just as you can for any UNIX service. postmaster --config=/home/myhome/mydb.conf I deal with a number of PG databases on a number of sites, and it is a real pain in the ass to get t

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-13 Thread mlw
Peter Eisentraut wrote: mlw writes: AFAIK it wasn't actually done. It was more of a, "we should do something different" argument. At one point it was talked about rewriting the configuration system to allow "include" and other things. The cor

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-13 Thread mlw
Stephan Szabo wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, mlw wrote: Stephan Szabo wrote: On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 09:23, mlw wrote: I deal with a number of PG databases on a number of sites, and it is a real pain in the ass to

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-13 Thread mlw
Bruce Momjian wrote: Robert Treat wrote: On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 12:13, mlw wrote: My patch only works on the PostgreSQL server code. No changes have been made to the initialization scripts. The patch declares three extra configuration file parameters: hbafile

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-13 Thread mlw
Robert Treat wrote: On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 12:13, mlw wrote: My patch only works on the PostgreSQL server code. No changes have been made to the initialization scripts. The patch declares three extra configuration file parameters: hbafile= '/etc/postgres/pg_hba.conf'

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-13 Thread mlw
Bruce Momjian wrote: Well, in a sense, it trades passing one parameter, PGDATA, for another. I see your point that we should specify configuration first, and let everything pass from there. However, it does add extra configuration parameters, and because you still need to specify/create pgdat

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-13 Thread mlw
Bruce Momjian wrote: Oliver Elphick wrote: On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 17:52, Vince Vielhaber wrote: Seems to me that if FHS allows such a mess, it's reason enough to avoid compliance. Either that or those of you who build for distributions are making an ill advised ch

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-13 Thread mlw
Stephan Szabo wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, mlw wrote: Robert Treat wrote: On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 09:23, mlw wrote: I deal with a number of PG databases on a number of sites, and it is a real pain in the ass to get to a PG box and hunt

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-13 Thread mlw
Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 09:23:20 -0500, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Personally, however, I think the configuration issue is a no-brainer and I am amazed that people are balking. EVERY other service on a UNIX box is configured in this way, why

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-13 Thread mlw
Robert Treat wrote: On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 09:23, mlw wrote: I deal with a number of PG databases on a number of sites, and it is a real pain in the ass to get to a PG box and hunt around for data directory so as to be able to administer the system. What's really annoyi

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-13 Thread mlw
Tom Lane wrote: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Here is the test, configure a server, with sendmail, named, apache, and PostgreSQL. Tell me which of these systems doesn't configure right. AFAIK, only one of those four is designed to support multiple instan

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-13 Thread mlw
Tom Lane wrote: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Here is the test, configure a server, with sendmail, named, apache, and PostgreSQL. Tell me which of these systems doesn't configure right. AFAIK, only one of those four is designed to support multiple instan

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-13 Thread mlw
Christopher Browne wrote: In the last exciting episode, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Curt Sampson) wrote: On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, Peter Bierman wrote: What do you gain by having the postmaster config and the database data live in different locations? You can t

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-12 Thread mlw
Peter Bierman wrote: At 12:31 AM -0500 2/13/03, mlw wrote: The idea that a, more or less, arbitrary data location determines the database configuration is wrong. It should be obvious to any administrator that a configuration file location which controls the server is the "right"

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-12 Thread mlw
Tom Lane wrote: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The idea that a, more or less, arbitrary data location determines the database configuration is wrong. It should be obvious to any administrator that a configuration file location which controls the server is the "ri

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-12 Thread mlw
Tom Lane wrote: Kevin Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I assume $PGDATA was around long before GUC? Yes, it was. But I have not yet seen an argument here that justifies why $SOMECONFIGDIRECTORY/postgresql.conf is better than $PGDATA/postgresql.conf. The latter keeps

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-11 Thread mlw
Robert Treat wrote: I'm going to be lazy and ask if you can post what the better solution that was coming was (or a link to the thread). While I'll grant you that the "it's coming" argument is pretty weak after two releases, that fact that it may have been a better solution could still hold up.

[HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-11 Thread mlw
The debate on the configuration file sparked a memory of an old patch I submitted in 7.1 days. One of the things I do not like about PostgreSQL is, IMHO, is a backwards configuration process. Rather than specify a data directory, the administrator should specify a database configuration file. W

Re: [HACKERS] Changing the default configuration (was Re: [pgsql-advocacy]

2003-02-11 Thread mlw
Apology After Mark calms down and, in fact, sees that Greg was saying the right thing after all, chagrin is the only word. I'm sorry. Greg Copeland wrote: On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 11:23, mlw wrote: Greg Copeland wrote: I'd personally rather have peop

Re: [HACKERS] Changing the default configuration (was Re: [pgsql-advocacy]

2003-02-11 Thread mlw
Greg Copeland wrote: I'd personally rather have people stumble trying to get PostgreSQL running, up front, rather than allowing the lowest common denominator more easily run PostgreSQL only to be disappointed with it and move on. After it's all said and done, I would rather someone simply s

Re: [HACKERS] Changing the default configuration (was Re: [pgsql-advocacy]

2003-02-11 Thread mlw
Tom Lane wrote: "Merlin Moncure" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: May I make a suggestion that maybe it is time to start thinking about tuning the default config file, IMHO its just a little bit too conservative, It's a lot too conservative. I've been thinking for awhile t

Re: [mail] Re: [HACKERS] Windows Build System

2003-01-31 Thread mlw
Dann Corbit wrote: -Original Message- From: Tom Lane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 8:24 PM To: mlw Cc: Lamar Owen; Dann Corbit; PostgresSQL Hackers Mailing List Subject: Re: [mail] Re: [HACKERS] Windows Build System mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [mail] Re: [HACKERS] Windows Build System

2003-01-31 Thread mlw
Tom Lane wrote: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Like it or not, if PG releases a very good Win32 port, ALL the unixoids combined will be out numbered by the windoze users. A lot of us are *not* looking forward to that prospect. regards, tom lane No doubt to that, but, dep

Re: [mail] Re: [HACKERS] Windows Build System

2003-01-31 Thread mlw
Like it or not, if PG releases a very good Win32 port, ALL the unixoids combined will be out numbered by the windoze users. Lamar Owen wrote: On Friday 31 January 2003 20:22, Dann Corbit wrote: Now, as far as the Win32 animosity goes, I think that is a natural thing too. There is a culture c

[Fwd: Re: [mail] Re: [HACKERS] Windows Build System]

2003-01-31 Thread mlw
Original Message Subject: Re: [mail] Re: [HACKERS] Windows Build System Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:46:20 -0500 From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: Curtis Faith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 'Al Sutton' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,

Re: [mail] Re: [HACKERS] Windows Build System

2003-01-31 Thread mlw
Tom Lane wrote: "Curtis Faith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: If a developer can simply download the source, click on the Visual C++ project in the win32 directory and then build PostgreSQL, and they can see that Windows is not the "poor stepchild" because the VC project is well laid out, they

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL, NetBSD and NFS

2003-01-31 Thread mlw
D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote: On Thursday 30 January 2003 14:02, mlw wrote: Forgive my stupidity, are you running PostgreSQL with the data on an NFS share? Yes, sorry. PostgreSQL is running from the local disk but the data is on the mounted drive. I'm not sure, I guess it could

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL, NetBSD and NFS

2003-01-30 Thread mlw
Forgive my stupidity, are you running PostgreSQL with the data on an NFS share? D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote: I have posted before about this but I am now posting to both NetBSD and PostgreSQL since it seems to be some sort of interaction between the two. I have a NetAPP filer on which I am puttin

Re: [HACKERS] [CYGWIN] Have a PG 7.3.1 Windows (cygwin) easy installer... now

2003-01-26 Thread mlw
st encourage them to do so. I think that would do more harm than not having the option. When PostgreSQL has a native Windows version, I'll add it. Until then, I think of it more as a "desktop" version for small offices and developers. The "server" version currently

Re: [HACKERS] [CYGWIN] Have a PG 7.3.1 Windows (cygwin) easy installer... now

2003-01-25 Thread mlw
Sorry, I think there was a misunderstanding. What were you looking for? I used inno setup as well. If you want I can send my install script. I thought I was being very forth coming. I even help out on the Windows PG console window. Justin Clift wrote: Hi everyone, Mark (mlw) put together

Re: [HACKERS] Threads

2003-01-23 Thread mlw
Greg Copeland wrote: On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 09:12, Steve Wampler wrote: On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: Also remember that in even well developed OS's like FreeBSD, all a process's threads will execute only on one CPU. I doubt that

[HACKERS] Win32 Build Environment

2003-01-22 Thread mlw
I have been following the debate about the Windows build environment. I would like to say that the build environment is not a real issue for Windows developers. For the most part Windows developers will be happy with a working binary and an interface library. The one is savvy enough to want to

Re: [HACKERS] Can we revisit the thought of PostgreSQL 7.2.4?

2003-01-19 Thread mlw
This is an interesting thought. My gut tells me it is a viable opportunity for the corporate entities that offer support and wish to have 'VAR' status. This is just my opinion, but I view the core development group as pure development, and the various people that resell or distribute PostgreSQL

Re: [HACKERS] Oracle rant

2003-01-16 Thread mlw
Peter Eisentraut wrote: Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder writes: - postgres should auto-tune itself - the *cost could perhaps be adjusted after some statistics have been collected, and there should be some sensible way to determine an optimal setting for the famous shared_b

Re: [HACKERS]

2003-01-16 Thread mlw
I don't think a semicolon is a comment. It causes the execution of the previous statement. Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: Hi, In postgresql 7.3.1, if I do pg_dumpall -c, at the top of the dump file is this: DROP DATABASE au_shipping ;CREATE DATABASE au_shipping WITH OWNER = auadmin TEMPLATE =

[HACKERS] Indexes

2003-01-16 Thread mlw
Does anyone think it would be a good idea, or is it even practical, to have a 'indx' subdirectory along side of the 'base' directory? I was thinking that, if it were an easy modification, that it could be an easy way to separate data and indexes to different hard disks. ---

Re: [HACKERS] Oracle rant

2003-01-15 Thread mlw
Gavin Sherry wrote: On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, mlw wrote: I just wanted to post this note. I have been in Oracle hell for four days now, and in between the 5 minutes of work and the hours of watings, dealing with table spaces, extents, and all that, I just keep thinking about how

[HACKERS] Oracle rant

2003-01-15 Thread mlw
I just wanted to post this note. I have been in Oracle hell for four days now, and in between the 5 minutes of work and the hours of watings, dealing with table spaces, extents, and all that, I just keep thinking about how much easier PostgreSQL is to work with. We all may bitch and moan about

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL and memory usage

2003-01-07 Thread mlw
Dann Corbit wrote: Message I have a machine with 4 CPU's and 2 gigabytes of physical ram.   I would like to get PostgreSQL to use as much memory as possible.  I can't seem to get PostgreSQL to use more than 100 megabytes or so.   How can I optimize the us

[HACKERS] PostgreSQL site, put up or shut up?

2003-01-07 Thread mlw
This is a serious inquiry, very serious. People are complaining about ads. What do we need in the form of equipment, bandwidth, etc. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster

Re: [HACKERS] New Portal in Place, DNS switched ...

2003-01-07 Thread mlw
Tom Lane wrote: "Marc G. Fournier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Please understand something here ... a large portion of the banner ads are *not* paid ... they are recognition of the many mirror sites that are supporting the project by reducing the amount of bandwidth that is requi

Re: [HACKERS] New Portal in Place, DNS switched ... Banner Adds

2003-01-06 Thread mlw
Mon, 6 Jan 2003, Neil Conway wrote: On Mon, 2003-01-06 at 13:26, Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, mlw wrote: The PHP site shows adds. Ok -- but the vast majority (say, 95%) of OSS sites don't show ads.

Re: [HACKERS] New Portal in Place, DNS switched ...

2003-01-06 Thread mlw
Neil Conway wrote: On Sun, 2003-01-05 at 17:15, Dave Page wrote: There were always ads there Yes -- but AFAIK there were in the process of being phased out (furthermore, the old site only had ads on the initial mirror page, whereas they are much more widespread on the

Re: [HACKERS] New Portal in Place, DNS switched ...

2003-01-06 Thread mlw
Marc G. Fournier wrote: Any volunteers to act as a tertiary? :) We're actually working on adding a new server online that is offshore, which will also give us another subnet to work off of ... but having a third-party secondary server wouldn't hurt, you are right ... OK, add 64.46.156.80 as

Re: [HACKERS] New Portal in Place, DNS switched ...

2003-01-06 Thread mlw
The site looks fantastic! Great work! Marc G. Fournier wrote: I'm just announcing here, since I'd like to see some ppl testing this out and let us know if there are any problems ... DNS is going to take a little while to propogate, so the old site may still come up in the interium ... another re

Re: [HACKERS] New Portal in Place, DNS switched ...

2003-01-06 Thread mlw
I'll do it on my site. Marc G. Fournier wrote: Any volunteers to act as a tertiary? :) We're actually working on adding a new server online that is offshore, which will also give us another subnet to work off of ... but having a third-party secondary server wouldn't hurt, you are right ...

Re: [HACKERS] Upgrading rant.

2003-01-05 Thread mlw
Bruce Momjian wrote: pg_upgrade does work, assuming there are no changes to the index or heap file formats. (However, I now need to update it for schemas.) However, the last time I worked on it for 7.2, no one was really interested in testing it, so it never got done. In fact, there was a bu

Re: [HACKERS] Threads

2003-01-03 Thread mlw
Greg Copeland wrote: Of course that gives up the hope of faster connection startup that has always been touted as a major reason to want Postgres to be threaded... regards, tom lane Faster startup, should never be the primary reason as there are many ways to addre

Re: [HACKERS] Threads

2003-01-03 Thread mlw
Greg Copeland wrote: On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 14:47, mlw wrote: Please no threading threads!!! Ya, I'm very pro threads but I've long since been sold on no threads for PostgreSQL. AIO on the other hand... ;) Your summary so accurately addresses the issue it should be a whole

Re: [HACKERS] Threads

2003-01-03 Thread mlw
Please no threading threads!!! Has anyone calculated the interval and period of "PostgreSQL needs threads" posts? The *ONLY* advantage threading has over multiple processes is the time and resources used in creating new processes. That being said, I admit that creating a threaded program is ea

Re: [HACKERS] Upgrading rant.

2003-01-03 Thread mlw
Hannu Krosing wrote: I don't think the main issues are with file _formats_ but rather with system file structures - AFAIK it is a fundamental design decision (arguably a design flaw ;( ) that we use system tables straight from page cache via C structure pointers, even though there seems to be a

Re: [HACKERS] Upgrading rant.

2003-01-03 Thread mlw
Tom Lane wrote: Well, this is exactly the issue: someone would have to put substantial amounts of time into update mechanisms and/or maintenance of obsolete versions, as opposed to features, performance improvements, or bug fixes. Personally, I feel that if we weren't working as hard as we

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL Password Cracker

2003-01-01 Thread mlw
Bruce Momjian wrote: mlw wrote: The comments at the top suggest sniffing a Postgres session startup exchange in order to see the MD5 value that the user presents; which the attacker would then give to this program. (Forget it if the session is Unix-local rather than TCP

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL Password Cracker

2003-01-01 Thread mlw
Tom Lane wrote: Devrim GUNDUZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I had no time to search throug the code; but as far as I understood, it *attacks* the database servers with TCP/IP on, right? No, the program itself simply takes an MD5 hash value and does a brute-force search f

Re: [HACKERS] Password security question

2002-12-17 Thread mlw
Greg Copeland wrote: On Tue, 2002-12-17 at 10:49, mlw wrote: Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: Hi guys, Just a thought - do we explicitly wipe password strings from RAM after using them? I just read an article (by MS in fact) that illustrates a cute problem. Imagine you memset the

Re: [HACKERS] Password security question

2002-12-17 Thread mlw
Ken Hirsch wrote: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dncode/html/secure10102002.asp Well, OK, that isn't as bizarre as one could have expected. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster

Re: [HACKERS] Password security question

2002-12-17 Thread mlw
Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: Hi guys, Just a thought - do we explicitly wipe password strings from RAM after using them? I just read an article (by MS in fact) that illustrates a cute problem. Imagine you memset the password to zeros after using it. There is a good chance that the compiler

Re: [HACKERS] Suggestion; "WITH VACUUM" option

2002-12-17 Thread mlw
Tom Lane wrote: Josh Berkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: How hard would it be to add a "WITH (VACUUM)" option to UPDATE and DELETE queries? This option would cause the regular vacuum activity -- purging the dead tuple and its index references -- to be done immediately, as part of the state

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global Development Group Announces

2002-12-14 Thread mlw
Peter Eisentraut wrote: Marc G. Fournier writes: It isn't, but those working on -advocacy were asked to help come up with a stronger release *announcement* then we've had in the past ... Consider that a failed experiment. PostgreSQL is driven by the development group and, to some exten

[HACKERS] Logging Feature

2002-12-12 Thread mlw
Is there a way to get pg logging of plans to be produced in the terse format like when a user types "explain select * from foo where bar = x" The plan logging is very verbose. Having a lighter version of the logging would be helpful in pinpointing troublesome queries without slogging through pa

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