Re: [HACKERS] Trimming the Fat, Part Deux ...

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Lamar Owen wrote: > > > And the sooner our very old perl client goes away, the better I like it. It > > > is a good client, don't get me wrong: but DBD:Pg is the standard now. > > > > I have been in contact with Edmund about mov

Re: [HACKERS] Trimming the Fat, Part Deux ...

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
Ummm ... stupid question, but can we even bring this into the 'core'? You may distribute under the terms of either the GNU General Public License or the Artistic License, as specified in the Perl README file. On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Oleg Bartunov wrote: > On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian

Re: [HACKERS] Trimming the Fat, Part Deux ...

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Lamar Owen wrote: > On Thursday 01 August 2002 04:37 pm, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > > I thought we were talking about trimming the source tree, not adding more. > > Why not put it on gborg or somewhere else? > > It's already in CPAN. A link to CPAN should suffice, IMHO. > > I

Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Peter Eisentraut wrote: > > Bruce Momjian writes: > > > > > OK, I have attached a patch for testing. Sample output is: > > > > > > $ sql -U guest test > > > psql: FATAL: user "test.guest" does not exist > > > $ createuser test.guest > > > > I wil

Re: Trim the Fat (Was: Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items )

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, jtv wrote: > Looking at it that way, it seems to me that the proper approach is to > cut out all interfaces that don't talk to the backend themselves--e.g. > the ones that build on top of libpq, like libpq++ and libpqxx do. This is what my opinion is ... what I'm setting up r

Re: [HACKERS] Trimming the Fat, Part Deux ...

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Tom Lane wrote: > Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > >> Ummm ... stupid question, but can we even bring this into the 'core'? > >> > >> You may distribute under the terms of either

Re: [HACKERS] Why is MySQL more chosen over PostgreSQL?

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Tom Lane wrote: > Greg Copeland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I seem to find this argument a lot on the list here. For some reason, > > many of the developers are under the impression that even if code is > > never touched, it has a very high level of effort to keep it in t

Re: [HACKERS] FUNC_MAX_ARGS benchmarks

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Thomas Lockhart wrote: > > > With FUNC_MAX_ARGS=16: > > > (average = 28.6 seconds) > > > With FUNC_MAX_ARGS=32: > > > (average = 29.15 seconds) > > That is almost a 2 percent cost. Shall we challenge someone to get us > back 2 percent from somewhere before the 7.3 release? Opt

Re: [HACKERS] cvs changes and broken links

2002-08-03 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, Joe Conway wrote: > I couldn't keep up with the list traffic this week, but I thought I saw > enough to convince me that after it was all said and done, I would still > be able to do `cvs co pgsql`. I'm finding today that after using cvsup > to sync up, I can no longer checkou

Re: [HACKERS] libpqxx

2002-08-12 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, Tom Lane wrote: > Peter Eisentraut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > The problem I see now is that libpqxx has a completely different build > > system and documentation system. > > Unless someone's going to do the work to integrate libpqxx into our > build/documentation system,

Re: [HACKERS] anoncvs currently broken

2002-08-12 Thread Marc G. Fournier
should be fixed ... looks like just an ownership issue on a new directory ... On 13 Aug 2002, Oliver Elphick wrote: > anoncvs is still broken: > > cvs server: Updating src/interfaces/libpqxx/config > cvs server: Updating src/interfaces/libpqxx/debian > cvs server: failed to create lock directo

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql-server/src backend/tcop/postgres.cbacke

2002-08-12 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Tom Lane wrote: > Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > OK, seeing as no one voted, and only Tom and I objected originally, we > > will keep the code as Thomas has applied it, namely that PGXLOG/-X is > > recognized by initdb, postmaster, postgres, and pg_ctl. > > We

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql-server/src backend/tcop/postgres.cbacke

2002-08-12 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Tom Lane wrote: > > Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > OK, seeing as no one voted, and only Tom and I objected originally, we > > > will keep the code as Thomas has applied it, namely that PGXLOG/-X is > > > recognized by initdb, postmaster

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql-server/src

2002-08-12 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On 13 Aug 2002, Greg Copeland wrote: > On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 23:09, Tom Lane wrote: > > Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > OK, seeing as no one voted, and only Tom and I objected originally, we > > > will keep the code as Thomas has applied it, namely that PGXLOG/-X is > > > recogniz

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql-server/src

2002-08-13 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > I think Tom is on to something here. I meant to ask but never got > > > around to it. Why would anyone need to move the XLOG after you've > > > inited the db? > > > > I jus

Re: [HACKERS] libpqxx

2002-08-13 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Tom Lane wrote: > Peter Eisentraut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Marc G. Fournier writes: > >> Okay, but if we are going to pull libpqxx, what about the other lib's too? > > > Certain things apply to libpqxx that don't all apply t

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql-server/src backend/tcop/postgres.cbacke

2002-08-13 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > If you move pg_xlog, you have to create a symlink in /data that points > to the new location. Initdb would do that automatically, but if you > move it after initdb, you would have to create the symlink yourself. > With Thomas's current code, you would

Re: [HACKERS] anoncvs currently broken

2002-08-13 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Jeroen T. Vermeulen wrote: > On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 09:38:00PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > > should be fixed ... looks like just an ownership issue on a new directory > > > More like I uploaded that directory just as you were rsync'ing

Re: [HACKERS] journaling in contrib ...

2002-08-14 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Tom Lane wrote: > Gavin Sherry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > >> I think this belongs on gborg. Would you create a project there? > > > A number of people at OSCON did consider this to be a nice contrib > > feature. Out of curious

Re: [HACKERS] journaling in contrib ...

2002-08-14 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > Anything in contrib that can be built seperately from the server code, > > that just requires libpq and headers, should be pulled and distributed as > > seperate modules, which has the added benefit tha

Re: [HACKERS] journaling in contrib ...

2002-08-14 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > > Anything in contrib that can be built seperately from the server code, > > > > that just

Re: [HACKERS] journaling in contrib ...

2002-08-14 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > They are moving pgaccess more into the admin role, and pgmonitor fit in > > > with that. > > > > Personally, I kinda like to be able to run admin modularized ... they > > *should* be

Re: [HACKERS] journaling in contrib ...

2002-08-14 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > Bruce Momjian writes: > > > OK, we got _that_ answer. Looks like gborg. Marc really wants to pump > > that up. > > I think if gborg had a different name and looked more like the main site, > more people would consider using it without feeling "kick

Re: [HACKERS] anoncvs - here we go again!

2002-08-14 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On 14 Aug 2002, Oliver Elphick wrote: > > cvs server: Updating src/backend/utils/mb/conversion_procs/ascii_and_mic > cvs server: failed to create lock directory for > `/projects/cvsroot/pgsql-server/src/backend/utils/mb/conversion_procs/ascii_and_mic' >(/projects/cvsroot/pgsql-server/src/backend

Re: [HACKERS] failure notice (fwd)

2002-08-15 Thread Marc G. Fournier
all gone ... On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Vince Vielhaber wrote: > > Who the hell are these people and why can't they configure their > own MTA? > > Vince. > -- > == > Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSHemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http:/

Removing Libraries (Was: Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 issues)

2002-08-16 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > > integrate or remove new libpqxx > > integrate or add to gborg Pg:DBD > > > > Seems like gborg is the place for these. > > I would volunteer to package libpq++ separately. Okay, the procedure is simple, but where do we want to put this? Do

Re: Removing Libraries (Was: Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 issues)

2002-08-17 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Sat, 17 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > OK, I am ready to do the work, but I would like to get a plan of where > we are going. I see in interfaces: > > cli > ecpg > jdbc > libpgeasy > libpgtcl > libpq > libpq++ > libpqxx > odbc > pe

Re: Removing Libraries (Was: Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 issues)

2002-08-17 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Sat, 17 Aug 2002, Tom Lane wrote: > Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Now, I know one of Marc's goals is to have libpq as a stand-alone > > tarball, but I thought we decided that this _didn't_ require it to be in > > a separate CVS repository. > > Removing libpq is impossible since

Re: Removing Libraries (Was: Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 issues)

2002-08-17 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Sat, 17 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > Chris has made code changes to GBorg to allow for this based on requests > > from Dave Page (ie. PgAdminII) ... so there is no problems with that ... > > > > As for keeping them in our main CVS

Re: Removing Libraries (Was: Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 issues)

2002-08-17 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Sat, 17 Aug 2002, Tom Lane wrote: > "Marc G. Fournier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> I think the only unknown is whether their CVS's should be moved out of > >> the main tree. > > > Yes, they should be ... > > Certainly. I was a b

Re: Removing Libraries (Was: Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 issues)

2002-08-18 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > Marc G. Fournier writes: > > > Okay, here is what I'd like to suggest ... Bruce, let's start off really > > simple ... go create a project for libpq++ (I believe someone even > > volunteered to maintain it?) and

Re: Removing Libraries (Was: Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 issues)

2002-08-19 Thread Marc G. Fournier
help. I am CC'ing him. > > > ------- > > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > > > > > Marc G. Fournier writes: > > > > > > > Okay, here is what I'd li

Re: [HACKERS] @(#)Mordred Labs advisory 0x0003: Buffer overflow in

2002-08-20 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On 20 Aug 2002, Neil Conway wrote: > Vince Vielhaber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Here's yet another. > > Should someone from the core team perhaps get in contact with this guy > and ask if he could get in contact with the development team before > publicizing any further security holes? AFAIK

Re: [HACKERS] @(#)Mordred Labs advisory 0x0003: Buffer overflow in

2002-08-21 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On 21 Aug 2002, Robert Treat wrote: > Assuming that we do go ahead with a 7.2.2 release, can we get some kind > of unofficial statement on pushing back the 7.3 beta? I know Tom was v7.3 goes beta Sept 1st ... v7.2.2 will be purely a security bugfix release, with no changes in functionality that

Re: [HACKERS] @(#)Mordred Labs advisory 0x0003: Buffer overflow in

2002-08-21 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > We learned a few lessons from previous releases. First, don't delay > the beta by days/weeks that drag on. Delay one month at a time. > Second, don't decide on a further delay the day before you are going to > go beta. Multiple short-period delays

Re: [HACKERS] @(#)Mordred Labs advisory 0x0003: Buffer overflow in

2002-08-21 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Justin Clift wrote: > - Find out from Sir Mordred if he wants to take a look at the CVS >version of code and audit in that for a bit, Just In Case he turns >up something that's serious and requires substantial re-work. >Although it means he wouldn't have a bunch

Re: [HACKERS] @(#)Mordred Labs advisory 0x0003: Buffer overflow in

2002-08-21 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Justin Clift wrote: > > Only two things which have the potential to be worth waiting for, from > > what I'm aware of. There may be others: > > > > - Find out from Sir Mordred if he wants to take a look at the CVS > >version of code and audit in th

Re: [HACKERS] @(#)Mordred Labs advisory 0x0003: Buffer overflow in

2002-08-21 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Justin Clift wrote: > > Reckon it's worth asking him, to find out if he'd be interested in this? > > > I wouldn't do it yet until we know if we are going to delay. Any security audit of the code should *not* be done while the code is in flux, and if we

Re: [HACKERS] @(#)Mordred Labs advisory 0x0003: Buffer overflow in

2002-08-21 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On 21 Aug 2002, Rod Taylor wrote: > Agreed. If patches are applied to the 7.4 branch as fast as normal, > then maybe 7.4 will only be 6 months out with well tested Windows, PIT, > etc. code that gets applied this October. > > Whats the intended branchpoint? Beta with less than 5 patches? 3rd >

Branch Date (Was: Re: [HACKERS] @(#)Mordred Labs advisory 0...)

2002-08-21 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > On 21 Aug 2002, Rod Taylor wrote: > > > > > Agreed. If patches are applied to the 7.4 branch as fast as normal, > > > then maybe 7.4 will only be 6 months out with well tested Windows, PIT,

Dev Cycles (Was: Re: [HACKERS] @(#)Mordred Labs advisory 0x...)

2002-08-21 Thread Marc G. Fournier
t the propsed features aren't ready, but I had > > to let the discussion happen so people felt their opinions where being > > heard. > > > > --- > > > > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > >

[HACKERS] libpq++ and libpqxx moved to GBorg ...

2002-08-21 Thread Marc G. Fournier
Morning all ... This afternoon, Bruce Momjiam created a new project on GBorg for libpq++, and Jeroen T. Vermeulen created one for libpqxx ... Both projects source directory from the central CVS repository have been copied over, including full history logs, and can be viewed at:

[HACKERS] libpq++ and libpqxx removed

2002-08-21 Thread Marc G. Fournier
they are no longer on the central repository, but are on GBorg ... I've made the appropriate chagnes to configure and Makefiles to reflect the fact that libpq++ is no longer part of the central distribution, *but* I used 'cvs remove' to remove the files themselves, so that the old branches (ie. i

[HACKERS] libpq++ documentation ...

2002-08-21 Thread Marc G. Fournier
That's one thing that I can't touch, since I have no idea about SGML :( Bruce, can you extract that and add it to the CVS repository for libpq++? ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscr

Re: [HACKERS] libpq++ and libpqxx removed

2002-08-21 Thread Marc G. Fournier
ent linking to gborg from the postgresql.org > home page? Especially now that there's libpq++ and stuff on there? > > Chris > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Marc G. Fournier > > Sent: Thu

Re: [HACKERS] libpq++ and libpqxx removed

2002-08-21 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: > Where can we see the new portal? Maybe it should be designed in such a way > as to not use image links at all. From all my experience in doing > websites - that'd be a _really_ good idea. I don't believe we are using image links on the new

Re: [HACKERS] libpq++ documentation ...

2002-08-21 Thread Marc G. Fournier
he docs in the project itself? > > ------- > > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > > That's one thing that I can't touch, since I have no idea about SGML :( > > > > Bruce, can you extract that and add it to the

Re: [HACKERS] libpq++ documentation ...

2002-08-21 Thread Marc G. Fournier
ur SGML to > > compile properly. I can do that much. > > > > ------- > > > > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > > > > > >

Re: [HACKERS] libpq++ documentation ...

2002-08-21 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > I knew that was coming. Some have been concerned that though Edmund > said OK, there is some new person who is the maintainer, though you > would think Edmund would be the final word on that. > > Anyway, I will do it now, or as soon as I empty the pa

Release of v7.2.2 (Was: Re: [HACKERS] @(#)Mordred Labs ad...)

2002-08-21 Thread Marc G. Fournier
Are we all caught up now on the known bugs/fixes? Would it be reasonably safe to do up a quick v7.2.2 Security Fix Release tomorrow afternoon? On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > OK, I have applied this to 7.2.X. > > I have applied the lpad/rpad/repeat patch to CVS head. I assume yo

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] PostgreSQL 7.2.2: Security Release

2002-08-25 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Sun, 25 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > OK, I understand your point. What do we need to do now that the > announcement has already been made? I'm still slightly confused here ... from what Neil/Gavin have stated so far, all it sounds like is that if I pass a wrong date/time string, it wil

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL 7.2.2 and docs

2002-08-25 Thread Marc G. Fournier
the release docs are pulled from petere's account: cp ~petere/man.tar.gz ~petere/postgres.tar.gz doc On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: > I say a re-release of 7.2.2 is sufficient, as it's just docs... > > What docs were in there? 7.3? or 7.2.1? > > Chris > > > -Origina

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] PostgreSQL 7.2.2: Security Release

2002-08-26 Thread Marc G. Fournier
action...I'm hassling the maintainer at the moment... already fixed ... > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Marc G. Fournier > > Sent: Monday, 26 August 2002 10:17 AM > > To: Bruce Momjian > >

Re: [HACKERS] tell Bugtraq about 7.2.2

2002-08-28 Thread Marc G. Fournier
having never had to do it before, do you know what the procedure is? On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Henshall, Stuart - WCP wrote: > Does someone from core want to inform bugtraq about 7.2.2? > Cheers, > - Stuart > > Westcountry Design & Print, > Heron Road, Sowton, Exeter. > EX2 7NF - also at - > 17 Bres

Re: [HACKERS] 7.3 beta schedule

2002-08-31 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Sat, 31 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > As someone's suggestion, we are going to continue accepting patches > through Sunday night, EDT, which will give us Monday to make sure all > the patches are in. I will have the HISTORY/release.sgml ready by then. > > At that point, we can collect an

Re: [ODBC] [HACKERS] ODBC Driver moved to GBorg ...

2002-08-31 Thread Marc G. Fournier
"User's Lounge" and then "PostgreSQL > Related Projects". Perhaps extra link emphasis is needed since a > seemingly new level of demand is being placed on gborg's significance? > > Sign, > > Greg Copeland > > > On Thu, 2002-08-22 at 17:46

Re: [HACKERS] Impending freeze

2002-09-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, Nigel J. Andrews wrote: > > On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Gavin Sherry wrote: > > > On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, Nigel J. Andrews wrote: > > > > > When is the beta freeze? > > > > Today. > > > > Oops, my fault for being imprecise. > > I was wondering what time of day with timezone. Someone sugge

Re: [HACKERS] Impending freeze

2002-09-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
e RC level that we're saying we believe we have all the issues worked out ... > > ------- > > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, Nigel J. Andrews wrote: > > > &

Re: [HACKERS] Impending freeze

2002-09-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Yes, I am just concerned we may actually adjust functionality after > beta1 if we haven't tied everything down, and that may be a problem. Why? Nobody should be using a beta for production anyway ... until we go to RC1, functionality can change if its

Re: [HACKERS] Impending freeze

2002-09-02 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Tom Lane wrote: > So my take is that anything that needs initdb doesn't get in after > beta1, unless it's a "must fix" bug. What have we got in the queue > that would require system catalog changes? Agreed, but, have we ever done such when it *wasn't* required? I know in th

[HACKERS] Docs for v7.3 ...

2002-09-02 Thread Marc G. Fournier
Just a quick one before I package up the wrong thing ... where should I be pulling docs from? :) ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: you can get off all lists at once with the unregister command (send "unregister YourEmailAddressHere" to [EMAIL P

Re: [HACKERS] HISTORY file

2002-09-03 Thread Marc G. Fournier
S'alright, I can do the package together tomorrow morning to let you wrap up the loose ends :) On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > I am still working on the 7.3 HISTORY file. I have extracted the items, > but I have to worksmith them and write an introduction. > > It is midnight here no

Re: [HACKERS] HISTORY file

2002-09-03 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Tom Lane wrote: > Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Yes, I haven't gotten to the release checklist yet. Let's delay a day. > > Or at least late in the day tomorrow. I have some loose ends to clean > up yet as well, but I'm beat and am going to bed. > > But I assu

[HACKERS] Just testing tighgter UCE controls ...

2002-09-03 Thread Marc G. Fournier
ignore if you see this ... ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/users-lounge/docs/faq.html

Re: [HACKERS] Just testing tighgter UCE controls ...

2002-09-03 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Vince Vielhaber wrote: > On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > > > ignore if you see this ... > > What if we don't see it? let me know? :) ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: Have you che

Re: [HACKERS] FW: [GWAVA:fku1fb18] Source block message notification

2002-09-04 Thread Marc G. Fournier
Can anyone find an email in all of that? I did a search of 'afk' ... oops :) got it and removed ... On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: > Does anyone else get this rubbish when they post to -php ? > > Our domain isn't on any blacklists AFAIK... > > Chris > > > -Original Me

Re: [HACKERS] GBorg is down

2002-09-04 Thread Marc G. Fournier
should already be fixed ... On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Vince Vielhaber wrote: > On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: > > > > > Warning: Supplied argument is not a valid PostgreSQL link resource in > > /usr/local/www/gborg3/html/index.php on line 52 > > Looks like the machine with the dat

Re: [HACKERS] webdav interface to pgsql

2002-09-04 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: > Cool. Is it worth putting it on greatbridge? gborg.postgresql.org greatbridge is back again? *raised eyebrow* ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.

[HACKERS] beta1 packaged

2002-09-04 Thread Marc G. Fournier
will announce it on -announce tomorrow, if ppl want to take a quick look at it ... man pages weren't included, but I did regenerate the docs per Peter's suggested commands ... Scary, even with removing a load of stuff over to gborg, its still gotten bigger then the last release :) %ls -lt ~ftp/

Re: [HACKERS] beta1 packaged

2002-09-05 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Vince Vielhaber wrote: > On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > %ls -lt ~ftp/pub/source/v7.3beta > > Is this where you're putting it this time? Last time was ~ftp/pub/beta. actually, should be a symlink, but until I know the packagi

Re: [HACKERS] beta1 packaged

2002-09-05 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On 5 Sep 2002, Manuel Sugawara wrote: > Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > So it would seem. The utils/mb directory is certainly there in the full > > tarball that I pulled from ftp.us.postgresql.org this morning. How did > > you acquire your source tree, exactly? > > The file is postgr

Re: [HACKERS] beta1 packaged

2002-09-05 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > On 5 Sep 2002, Manuel Sugawara wrote: > > > > > Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > So it would seem. The utils/mb directory is certainly t

Re: [HACKERS] beta1 packaged

2002-09-05 Thread Marc G. Fournier
0On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Tom Lane wrote: > Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > OK, so if base isn't compilable, then what is it good for? I don't see > > any add-on packages that would make it usable. > > AFAIR, the only reason for having the split packaging is to accommodate > people who

Re: [HACKERS] beta1 packaged

2002-09-05 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Tom Lane wrote: > > Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > OK, so if base isn't compilable, then what is it good for? I don't see > > > any add-on packages that would make it usable. > > > > AFAIR, the only reason for having the split packaging

[HACKERS] v7.3beta1 Packaged and Released ...

2002-09-06 Thread Marc G. Fournier
ot use it in a production environment as of yet. The more people that can test this release, the faster bugs will get reported and fixed in a much shorter time. Any bugs/problems, please report them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... If we are lucky, we can keep this to a reasonably short beta per

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] Australian Open Source Awards

2002-09-08 Thread Marc G. Fournier
God, I wish ppl would at least get information correct :( Justin Clift (for the postgreSQL documentation website) the website they point to *isn't* techdocs, but www, which Justin has had nothing to do with ;( On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: > Hi Guys, > > You might be inte

Re: [HACKERS] Open items

2002-09-11 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > On Hold > --- > Point-in-time recovery > Win32 port > Security audit Why is the security audit on hold? This is the best time to do it, while the code is reasonably static :( ---(end of broadcast)

Re: [HACKERS] Open items

2002-09-11 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > > On Hold > > > --- > > > Point-in-time recovery > > > Win32 port > > > Security audit > > > > W

Restore from pre-v7.3 -> v7.3 (Was: Re: [HACKERS] RPMS for 7.3 beta.)

2002-09-18 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Tom Lane wrote: > > I am waiting the result of the pg_dump from 7.2.x to 7.3 restore discussion. > > Right. We clearly have to support loading of 7.2 dumps; the only issue > in my mind is exactly how we kluge that up ;-). I just talked to Bruce > about this a little bit, an

Re: [GENERAL] [HACKERS] PGXLOG variable worthwhile?

2002-09-18 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Dave Page wrote: > > Which in this case is what puzzles me. We are only talking about a > > simple GUC variable after all - I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing > > it's not a huge effort to add one? > > Can we get agreement on that? A GUC for pg_xl

Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items

2002-09-18 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > On Going > > Point-in-time recovery > Win32 port these have nothing to do with v7.3, so shouldn't even be listed here ... ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives?

Beta2 on Friday Morning (Was: Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items)

2002-09-18 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Sean Chittenden wrote: > > There has been a lot of activity on open items in the past week. Here > > is the updated list. > > > > Basically, upgrading and casting have blown up into a variety of items. > > What's the timeframe for beta2? FreeBSD's going into a ports freeze

The TODO List (Was: Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items)

2002-09-18 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Thomas Lockhart wrote: > > ... > > > Fix SIMILAR TO to be Posix compiant or remove it > > > > Sorry, was there a decision here? > > > > No one has described the problem, just declared that there is one and > > declared that the feature should be removed

Re: Beta2 on Friday Morning (Was: Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items)

2002-09-18 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > We are going to require an initdb for beta2 and I think we need to get > _everything_ required in there before going to beta2. See the open > items list. I think we will need until the middle of next week for > beta2. In fact, I have the inheritance

Re: [GENERAL] [HACKERS] PGXLOG variable worthwhile?

2002-09-18 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Sorry, I don't see the logic here. Using postgresql.conf, you set it > once and it remains set until you change it again. With -X, you have to > use it every time. I think that's where the votes came from. Ah, so you are saying that you type out you

Re: Beta2 on Friday Morning (Was: Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items)

2002-09-18 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > > We are going to require an initdb for beta2 and I think we need to get > > > _everything_ required in there before going to beta2. See th

Re: The TODO List (Was: Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items)

2002-09-18 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > I think you are confusing the open items list with the TODO list. TODO > usually has some basis, while open items is just that, things we need to > decide on. Peter brought it up and wanted it on the list so I put it > on. I can be taken off just as

Re: Beta2 on Friday Morning (Was: Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items)

2002-09-18 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Tom Lane wrote: > "Marc G. Fournier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > ... I'm going to do up a beta2 on Friday due to the number changes > > that have been committed over the past 2 weeks ... > > I want to review and apply Alvaro

Re: The TODO List (Was: Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items)

2002-09-18 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Tom Lane wrote: > "Marc G. Fournier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I'm in agreement with Thomas here ... unless a problem has been defined a > > bit more specifically then 'it isn't posix compliant', it shouldn't

Re: The TODO List (Was: Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items)

2002-09-18 Thread Marc G. Fournier
ings to, the list ... > > --- > > Tom Lane wrote: > > "Marc G. Fournier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I'm in agreement with Thomas here ... unless a problem has been defined a > > > bit more specifically then 'it isn't posix complian

Re: [GENERAL] [HACKERS] PGXLOG variable worthwhile?

2002-09-18 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Yea, but you aren't going to be needing to know the xlog directory that > way, will you? Why not? Who are you to tell me how my scripts work, or how they get their information? I have a script that runs to tell me how much disk space each instance is

Re: [GENERAL] [HACKERS] PGXLOG variable worthwhile?

2002-09-18 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Tom Lane wrote: > "Marc G. Fournier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > >> Sorry, I don't see the logic here. Using postgresql.conf, you set it > >> once and it remains set until you ch

Re: The TODO List (Was: Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items)

2002-09-18 Thread Marc G. Fournier
the why of it ... don't re-add it until we've determined *if* it is actually an open issue or not ... stop jumping the gun ... > > ------- > > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > On Wed, 18 Sep 2002,

Re: The TODO List (Was: Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items)

2002-09-19 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > > > > > It is an open issue. It has to be resolved. When it is, I will remove > > > it. I added a question mark to it but it ne

SIMILAR TO syntax (Was: Re: The TODO List (Was: Re: [HACKERS] O...)

2002-09-19 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Tom Lane wrote: > "Marc G. Fournier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Who implemented SIMILAR TO in the first place? > > Thomas. He put in the syntax, but as it stands it's simply syntactic > sugar for ~ --- that is, our Posix-compa

Re: [GENERAL] [HACKERS] PGXLOG variable worthwhile?

2002-09-19 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Robert Treat wrote: > I don't know if I agree with that. Most servers (apache for instance) have > configuration variables on where files are going to live, not command line > options. Not where it involves *critical* files: OPTIONS -R libexecdir T

Re: [HACKERS] Where to post a new PostgreSQL utility?

2002-09-20 Thread Marc G. Fournier
gborg On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Justin Clift wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Have gotten a new PostgreSQL utility together called "pg_autotune" that > load tests using Tatsuo's pgbench code over multiple-iterations, > attempting to determine decent buffer settings for a specified client > load. > > It's m

Re: [HACKERS] PGXLOG variable worthwhile?

2002-09-22 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > In fact, I tried to open a dialog with you on this issue several times, > but when I got no reply, I had to remove PGXLOG. If we had continued > discussion, we might have come up with the GUC compromise. Ya know, I'm sitting back and reading this, an

Re: [HACKERS] PGXLOG variable worthwhile?

2002-09-22 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Sun, 22 Sep 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > > On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > > In fact, I tried to open a dialog with you on this issue several times, > > > but when I got no reply, I had to remove PGXLOG. I

Re: [HACKERS] Web site

2002-09-23 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Gavin Sherry wrote: > Hi all, > > It occurs to me that opening web page on www.postgresql.org, asking the > user to select the mirror, is rather unprofessional. I am sure this has > been discussed before but I thought I would bring it up again anyway. Already being worked on

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