I am alone?
Do you have access to another windows machine where you
can try the image?
Bye
T.
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On 12 Aug 2009, at 00:06, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Apparently, a number of deprecations in String are problematic
Try: 'abc' . 'd'. 'abcd'
I get
'abc' , 'd' first --'abcd'
with 10371 and deprecation on.
Alex's code works on 10431
Stef's code not (but it's consistent with VW and Squeak
Yes. I think we still have that problem in Pharo.
Adrian
On Aug 12, 2009, at 00:19 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
we should check that because indeed from time to time we get the
symptoms even if we integrated part of the solution
long time ago.
Stef
Begin forwarded message:
From: Eliot
Hi guys
What I would love is the following: that we get a good Complex package!
Since we can do method extensions in Smalltalk we can design a really
nice Complex
packages with its own tests.
We could publish for now Complex into PharoTaskForces or create a
PharoExternalPackages
or whatever.
good initiative
May be put the date of the last edit of the package
On Aug 12, 2009, at 6:54 AM, Miguel Enrique Cobá Martinez wrote:
El mié, 12-08-2009 a las 02:43 +0100, Keith Hodges escribió:
Why not just use the REPLServer
Woa, woa, I remember some mails mentioning it but never check it.
On Aug 12, 2009, at 2:39 AM, Lawson English wrote:
Hey all, I'm in one of my manic brainstorming moods and whilest I'm
working on a baby interface between Second Life and Squeak, it dawns
on
me that there is a huge potential for evangelicalism on your part
here:
One of hte myriad
strange yesterday it said that there is no method
and now find asUppercase.
Apparently stringVersion in MethodReference is broken.
Stef
On Aug 12, 2009, at 2:07 AM, csra...@bol.com.br wrote:
If you proceed when getting evil and afterwards the warning that the
method shouldn't be used
Mariano
what do you mean that you cannot copy?
Pharo1.0beta latest update: #10413.
BTW: it's not possible to copy text from the About this System
Dialog...
Here in Linux works using ctrl + c not only to a workspace (inside
image) but also to an external program.
Em 11/08/2009
Hi Mariano,
You are not alone.
I also get this problem on Windows (Vista) with Pharo1.0betaCore-10401.
The cause of the problem is this...
Both OSPlatform and InputEventSensor are in the Smalltalk StartUpList.
It is ESSENTIAL that OSPlatform's startup code runs BEFORE InputEventSensor's
That explains it! Thanks for figuring out, Andrew.
I reopened http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=838
Adrian
On Aug 12, 2009, at 09:54 , Andrew Tween wrote:
Hi Mariano,
You are not alone.
I also get this problem on Windows (Vista) with
Pharo1.0betaCore-10401.
The cause of
2009/8/12 Ken.Dickey ken.dic...@whidbey.com:
AFAIK, one has to be careful ordering complex numbers:
I am aware of this. There are a large number of ways to define # for complex
numbers -- and a large number of problems with each of them.
What I object to are bad behaviors for things which
Sig,
+1+0.1i :) The small imaginary part is due to my concern over calling
complex numbers non-scalars. In what sense do you mean that? They are
indeed used as a field of scalars for vector spaces. That sticking point
aside, they are different, and I agree they would be best
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 6:28 AM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr
wrote:
Mariano
what do you mean that you cannot copy?
Someone said that he couldn't copy and I just said that here in Linux I can
perfectly copy and paste :)
Pharo1.0beta latest update: #10413.
BTW: it's
Stef,
I don't dispute it, but what is this about Croquet being dead?
Bill
-Original Message-
From: pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr
[mailto:pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Stéphane
Ducasse
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 2:22 AM
To:
Stef,
You have not responded that I can see. Are you just busy, didn't see it, or is
it such a crushing disappointment you don't know where to start? :)
I am simply seeking some guidance on how it should evolve to be useful to you.
Bill
-Original Message-
From:
2009/8/12 Andrew Tween amtw...@hotmail.com
Hi Mariano,
You are not alone.
I also get this problem on Windows (Vista) with Pharo1.0betaCore-10401.
The cause of the problem is this...
Both OSPlatform and InputEventSensor are in the Smalltalk StartUpList.
It is ESSENTIAL that OSPlatform's
We need to change the startup list such that the InputEventSensor
comes after OSPlatform. This can be done in InputEventSensor
classinitialize. Will do that in one of the next updates.
Adrian
On Aug 12, 2009, at 15:26 , Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
2009/8/12 Andrew Tween
buzy :)
Stef
On Aug 12, 2009, at 3:25 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
Stef,
You have not responded that I can see. Are you just busy, didn't
see it, or is it such a crushing disappointment you don't know where
to start? :)
I am simply seeking some guidance on how it should evolve to be
St?phane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr
What I would love is the following: that we get a good Complex package!
Since we can do method extensions in Smalltalk we can design a really
nice Complex packages with its own tests.
We could publish for now Complex into PharoTaskForces or create a
Ken,
The desired behavior appears to be that -1 sqrt raises an error regardless of
the complex package; -1 asComplex sqrt works when the package is installed.
Sig, is that a fair statement of your position?
Bill
-Original Message-
From: pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr
KenD Currently:
-1 asComplex isNumber -- true
?1 asComplex isNumber - true
-1 asComplex 1 asComplex -- error
-4 sqrt -- error
Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com
and it should.
Not many people using a complex numbers. And -4 is an integer number,
not complex number (i hope this
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Adrian Lienhard a...@netstyle.ch wrote:
We need to change the startup list such that the InputEventSensor
comes after OSPlatform. This can be done in InputEventSensor
classinitialize. Will do that in one of the next updates.
Ok. Be aware that
El mié, 12-08-2009 a las 15:52 +0200, Stéphane Ducasse escribió:
Stef,
Please take a quick look at the StreamsForRobustSoftware page on the
Wiki. It needs a lot of work, but any hints about how to make it
meet your needs would be appreciated.
I read your proposal and I think that
Fixed is the correct state. It means that there exists a fix for the
issue. It does not mean that the fix has been released. Latter state
is named Closed.
Adrian
On Aug 12, 2009, at 17:25 , Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Adrian Lienhard a...@netstyle.ch
Ken,
Your 1/2 example is hyperbole. As I said earlier, 0.5 and 1/2 are far more
related (rationals being dense in the reals and all that) than are 1/2 and
0.5+0.0i. Complex numbers are inherently different from the magnitudes that we
normally use, and I think you will come to agree if you
Miguel,
First, thanks for reading it! I am certainly open to the breaking changes
(Dolphin semantics) option, as it would put an end to silent failures. Waiting
is fine, as there is nothing to stop me from using the additional protocol
until we can make the changes.
Anybody else?
Bill
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm Kbsch...@anest.ufl.edu wrote:
Stef,
I don't dispute it, but what is this about Croquet being dead?
For one, the page
http://www.duke.edu/~julian/Cobalt/About.html you can read:
*Croquet is no longer under active development
And the
On a 1.0betaCore-10401, I have the evil error.
'eureka' . ' EUREKA'
I get no single method
If I proceed, I also have no single method. There is something broken
since:
'eureka' asUppercase
='EUREKA'
Apparently, MethodFinder does not find it in the last version.
In a 10343,
Unfortunately, Bob is not open source:
On Aug 10, 2009, at 2:07 PM, Keith Hodges wrote:
p.p.s. Bob is not going to be released as open source, if you would
like
the ability to build your images daily, and run the test suites
against
your deliverables, then please do email me for
On 12-Aug-09, at 6:33 AM, Adrian Lienhard wrote:
We need to change the startup list such that the InputEventSensor
comes after OSPlatform. This can be done in InputEventSensor
classinitialize. Will do that in one of the next updates.
Adrian
If you are going to do this I would suggest you
Greetings,
Since there is some discussion around comparing using# let me try to explain
the context of my thinking.
I am approaching this as a programmer and a user of mathematics, not as a
mathematician.
I prefer the Principle of Least Surprise.
I prefer simple, easy to explain rules and
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 6:17 AM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr
wrote:
good initiative
May be put the date of the last edit of the package
On Aug 12, 2009, at 6:54 AM, Miguel Enrique Cobá Martinez wrote:
El mié, 12-08-2009 a las 02:43 +0100, Keith Hodges escribió:
Why not
Ken,
1/2 = 0.5 comes close to making an important point, but it doesn't quite get
there. However, inspect
0.1+0.1+0.1-0.3
Floating point is not always what it seems. By extension, I argue that
computer-represented complex numbers are not always what they seem, only more
so. Not only do
Em 11/08/2009 23:45, Ken.Dickey escreveu:
AFAIK, one has to be careful ordering complex numbers:
I am aware of this. There are a large number of ways to define for complex
numbers -- and a large number of problems with each of them.
What I object to are bad behaviors for things
I said wrote, so:
If you click System-About... in World and select some text from the Dialog windows that appears (Which BTW IMNHO should show as title "About..." and not "Dialog" as now...) you manage to hilghite it but, nor the yellow button menu appears nor the Ctrl-c is honoured, so it is
Not exactly a compreensive documentation but rather a quick start:
In a workspace evaluate:
UITheme exampleBasicControls.
UITheme exampleColorControls.
UITheme exampleDialogs.
UITheme exampleGroups.
UITheme exampleOtherControls.
UITheme exampleWindowWithToolbars.
Hi
In fact I've
+1 Em 12/08/2009 12:10, Schwab,Wilhelm K bsch...@anest.ufl.edu escreveu:
Ken,The desired behavior appears to be that -1 sqrt raises an error regardless of the complex package; -1 asComplex sqrt works when the package is installed. Sig, is that a fair statement of your position?Bill
El mié, 12-08-2009 a las 18:18 -0100, Mariano Martinez Peck escribió:
What sort of packages should be put there? For example, I am woring in
SqueakDBX and Glorp and both of them work there. However, they are not
dev tools or something like. Thus, I don't understand which type or
I don't want to seem I turned the rant mode, on, but:
Last statement makes so little sense as saying the "expected" thing is that
4 sqrt
should return a tuple #(2.0 -2.0) because it happened before we had computers
The "Principle of Least Surprise" should be taken in the context of the
Hi: this is broken since a lot of time (not new). It happens only on Windows
I think (in Linux it works ok).
I have preference duplicateAllControlAndAltKeys enabled.
Browse: works ok with ctrl + b and alt + b
Implementors: Only works with alt + m . ctrl + m doesnt work.
Senders: works ok
Schwab,Wilhelm K bsch...@anest.ufl.edu
Floating point is not always what it seems.
Hence my comment that IEEE floats get the wrong answer fast. I have used
interval math, continued fractions, and linear fractional transforms (a.k.a.
exact reals). I agree that each representation has its
Yes: Windws XP SP3 (32 bit), Pharo beta image last update #10413. With some corrections on your report below: Em 12/08/2009 17:49, Mariano Martinez Peck marianop...@gmail.com escreveu:
Hi: this is broken since a lot of time (not new). It happens only on Windows I think (in Linux it works ok).I
2009/8/12 csra...@bol.com.br
Yes: Windws XP SP3 (32 bit), Pharo beta image last update #10413. With some
corrections on your report below:
Sorry. I didn't understand you. Did you have the same problems as I had?
Em 12/08/2009 17:49, *Mariano Martinez Peck marianop...@gmail.com
Miguel created this page:
http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/PackagesTestedInPharo
so that we can add there all the packages that load (and work) ok in Pharo.
I trying to add some but I found a problem: there is a column called
Package version. I have a same project (for example SqueakDBX) with
Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Miguel created this page:
http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/PackagesTestedInPharo
so that we can add there all the packages that load (and work) ok in
Pharo.
I trying to add some but I found a problem: there is a column called
Package version. I have a same
El mié, 12-08-2009 a las 20:17 -0100, Mariano Martinez Peck escribió:
Miguel created this page:
http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/PackagesTestedInPharo
so that we can add there all the packages that load (and work) ok in
Pharo.
I trying to add some but I found a problem: there is a
Ken,
My concerns are not with the (representable) numbers in your tests; it is with
the many numbers that do not have exact representations, and with those that
will contain roundoff error.
Please note that I never called What Every Computer Scientist Should Know
About Floating-Point
( 0+0i 1+0i)
#t
(sqrt -4)
+2i ;; note exact 2, not 2.0 [extra credit]
(log -3) ;; known as #ln in Smalltalk
1.0986122886681098+3.141592653589793i
FYI,
-KenD
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Aside from
http://www.duke.edu/~julian/Cobalt/Foundational_Technology_files/logo_smalltalk_med.png
which strikes me as surpising[*] coming from Smalltalkers, I do not see them
running away from Smalltalk.
Could it simply be that nobody wanted a 3D OS (Croquet), and that a
conferencing
2009/8/12 Schwab,Wilhelm K bsch...@anest.ufl.edu:
Ken,
The desired behavior appears to be that -1 sqrt raises an error regardless of
the complex package; -1 asComplex sqrt works when the package is installed.
Sig, is that a fair statement of your position?
Right.
The presence of Complex
Yes I observe the same behaviour, given the corrections on the shorcuts I made in bold .
Or being more explicit, we should open the BT Em 12/08/2009 18:09, Mariano Martinez Peck marianop...@gmail.com escreveu:
2009/8/12 csra...@bol.com.br
Yes: Windws XP SP3 (32 bit), Pharo beta image last
2009/8/12 Ken.Dickey ken.dic...@whidbey.com:
Schwab,Wilhelm K bsch...@anest.ufl.edu
Floating point is not always what it seems.
Hence my comment that IEEE floats get the wrong answer fast. I have used
interval math, continued fractions, and linear fractional transforms (a.k.a.
exact reals).
Hi folks: Me and the rest of the team is developing SqueakDBX which is a
driver to talk with major databases. However, I think the most persistence
alternatives pharo has, the best. There is no better solution for every
escenario. So, I am also trying to get the PostgreSQL native driver to work
in
Sorry, I forgot to say that others classes like Integer, Float and Character
are already implementing the message hex.
Best,
Mariano
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck
marianop...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi folks: Me and the rest of the team is developing SqueakDBX which is a
2009/8/12 csra...@bol.com.br
Yes I observe the same behaviour, given the corrections on the shorcuts I
made in bold [image: {#emotions_dlg.embarassed}].
Or being more explicit, we should open the BT [image:
{#emotions_dlg.smile}]
hahahahah sorry, now I get it. I was the copy paste fault
Em 12/08/2009 19:30, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com escreveu:
2009/8/12 Ken.Dickey :
Schwab,Wilhelm K
Floating point is not always what it seems.
Hence my comment that IEEE floats get the wrong answer fast. I have used
interval math, continued fractions, and linear fractional
2009/8/13 csra...@bol.com.br:
Em 12/08/2009 19:30, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com escreveu:
2009/8/12 Ken.Dickey :
Schwab,Wilhelm K
Floating point is not always what it seems.
Hence my comment that IEEE floats get the wrong answer fast. I have used
interval math, continued
Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Miguel created this page:
http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/PackagesTestedInPharo
so that we can add there all the packages that load (and work) ok in
Pharo.
I trying to add some but I found a problem: there is a column called
Package version. I have a same
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Keith Hodges keith_hod...@yahoo.co.ukwrote:
Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Miguel created this page:
http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/PackagesTestedInPharo
so that we can add there all the packages that load (and work) ok in
Pharo.
I trying to add
In my attempt to install OBDependencyWalker in Pharo beta #10413, I discovered that it triggers DNUs because #theClass is no longer available in this image version.
I could not find easily the rationale for stripping the method.
Is this a known fact and OBDependencyWalker should be modified, or
Please add your list of packages to PackagesPharo class in the
Packages-Library package in squeaksource.com/Packages
http://squeaksource.com/Packages
Keith: I only see the class PackagesPharo01 not PackagesPharo but I
guess it is that class. Isn't it?
Then, what should I do?
For the mathematical part yes. Now, submiting to all the list, I want to propose a modification in the code based on Smalltalk style (the comments w/"csr" are only for my explanation and should not go to the production code!):
other"Can only compare with pure real or imaginary parts"((self
2009/8/12 csra...@bol.com.br
In my attempt to install OBDependencyWalker in Pharo beta #10413, I
discovered that it triggers DNUs because #theClass is no longer available in
this image version.
I could not find easily the rationale for stripping the method.
Is this a known fact and
Just briefly... I'd keep the base numbers simple while leaving the door
open for optional, loadable packages to extend comparisons as
necessary. IMO, matching the capabilities of C (integers, floating
point) plus fractions should be sufficient for a base system. If not,
there is the risk of
Same problem here :(
2009/8/12 Mariano Martinez Peck marianop...@gmail.com
Hi folks: I have a problem with the new inspector. To reproduce:
1) Go to a workspace.
2) Type ScriptLoader or any other class and inspect it.
3) If I want to sends messages to THAT object, it seems the place to do
In the Inspector you have three panes, the bottom right is a small one and it receives messages when I type, for example, self class, or self allInstances, I can print the results or even inspect the result, is that you want to do? Em 12/08/2009 22:02, Mariano Martinez Peck marianop...@gmail.com
2009/8/12 csra...@bol.com.br
In the Inspector you have three panes, the bottom right is a small one and
it receives messages when I type, for example, self class, or self
allInstances, I can print the results or even inspect the result, is that
you want to do?
But HOW do you print the
2009/8/13 csra...@bol.com.br:
For the mathematical part yes. Now, submiting to all the list, I want to
propose a modification in the code based on Smalltalk style (the comments
w/csr are only for my explanation and should not go to the production
code!):
other
Can only compare with pure
Oh well :-| I understand your gripe now, you resent the yellow button does not bring a menu on this pane, right!?
If this is considered a bug, then yes, a BT must be opened...
Em 12/08/2009 22:59, Mariano Martinez Peck marianop...@gmail.com escreveu:
2009/8/12 csra...@bol.com.br
In the
2009/8/12 csra...@bol.com.br
Oh well :-| I understand your gripe now, you resent the yellow button does
not bring a menu on this pane, right!?
If this is considered a bug, then yes, a BT must be opened...
that's exactly what I want :) Not only for people who don't use or don't
know about
There is almost no traffic on the croquet mailing-list (user+dev)
since months ...
There seems to be more activity in the OpenCobalt web site :
http://opencobalt.org/
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm Kbsch...@anest.ufl.edu wrote:
Aside from
+1
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From: pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr
[mailto:pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Igor Stasenko
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:06 PM
To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] # if at first you dont
Hi all,
do some modifications occurs recently in the socket classes ?
Because when i'm trying to do :
| socket |
socket := Socket newTCP.
socket connectTo: #[127 0 0 1] port:6665.
I have a DNU now : ByteArraydoesNotUnderstand:#port:
I'm using the last Pharo.
Thank you,
--
Serge Stinckwich
UMI
Hello there,
I cannot reproduce the installation problem in #10413. To install DW
with the OmniBrowser support in a clean Pharo #10413 just doIt the
following:
ScriptLoader loadOBAlpha.
Installer ss project: 'DependencyWalker';
install: 'DependencyWalker';
install:
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Hernán Morales
Durandhernan.mora...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Serge,
This works for me:
| socket1 socket2 |
socket1 := Socket newTCP.
socket2 := Socket newTCP.
socket1 listenOn: 6665.
address := NetNameResolver addressForName: '127.0.0.1' timeout: 20.
socket2
Hi Serge,
This works for me:
| socket1 socket2 |
socket1 := Socket newTCP.
socket2 := Socket newTCP.
socket1 listenOn: 6665.
address := NetNameResolver addressForName: '127.0.0.1' timeout: 20.
socket2 connectTo: address port:6665.
Regards
Hernán
2009/8/13 Serge Stinckwich
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