On Feb 2, 2012, at 11:21 PM, Helene Bilbo wrote:
>
> Marcus Denker-4 wrote
>>
>> So there are multiple problems:
>>
>> 1) Morphic is not and API or a codebase but and idea (or principle)
>> And the question is even: a good one? In the current state for sure not.
>> For sure it's instantiation
Ok so I will look at the squeak version.
On Feb 2, 2012, at 11:07 PM, Nicolas Cellier wrote:
> Do you mean http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4997 ?
>
> In any case, finding a divisor with a naive iteration on all odd
> numbers is not the thing to do.
> Programming a deterministic a
Hi
I was thinking that linkedList is really not to be used by something else than
the scheduler (remember the
problem we got with change == into something else).
So I was wondering if it would not be simpler/safer to design a generalPurpose
fast/robust LinkedList too?
Stef
This is excellent.
Doru
On 2 Feb 2012, at 21:50, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I hacked together a little web service called 'Shared Smalltalk Workspaces'.
>
> http://ws.stfx.eu
>
> It is basically a pastebin for Smalltalk, a way easily to share Smalltalk
> workspaces.
>
> F
The most recent recommendation I saw from stef was to use 1.3 over 1.4. Does
that still hold?
From: pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr
[pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Schwab,Wilhelm K
[bsch...@anest.ufl.edu]
Sent: Th
Dale,
I've been trying to load citezen by any means possible. Are there specific
packages and load order that I might try with a manual twist. My hunch is that
either:
(1) MC is hold old info that I don't know how to purge
(2) downloads are going bad, either due to the serve or socket stream
On 02/02/12 4:50 PM, Paul DeBruicker wrote:
Just wanted to make sure you guys were aware that Bob Nemec is making a
PDFReport package for VisualWorks that he
intends to present at STIC and port to other smalltalks:
http://smalltalk-bob.blogspot.com/2012/01/pdf-report-and-law-of-demeter.html
So
not that I know of:(
- Original Message -
| From: "Wilhelm K Schwab"
| To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr
| Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2012 4:24:38 PM
| Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] ConfigurationOfCitezen - any bugs?
|
| Dale,
|
| That would be great. I used the pre-built seaside
Dale,
That would be great. I used the pre-built seaside 3.0 pharo image/one-click.
Sadly, I can't interrupt: control-. and alt-. aren't doing anything. Is there
something else I can do to get the dump?
Bill
From: pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.in
the cpu usage and memory climb gradually; nothing appears to be happening :(
From: pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr
[pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Schwab,Wilhelm K
[bsch...@anest.ufl.edu]
Sent: Thursday, February 0
Bill,
If you can interrupt the process get a stack and send it to me ... I might be
able to tell something about what's going on ...
Dale
- Original Message -
| From: "Wilhelm K Schwab"
| To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr
| Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2012 4:08:44 PM
| Subject: R
Stef,
It's trying to load now. The system monitor shows the vm in a nanosleep mode
for much of the time. I'm going to let it continue to see if it can actually
finish given lots of time.
Any other ideas?
Bill
From: pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge
Eliot,
Lazy is not a word I would use - it *is* a lot of work. I'm closing in on a
1.3 image. Once it's up (this includes a Seaside 2.8->3.0 move), I'll try
alien callbacks w/ GSL. It won't happen overnight, but it will be nice to be
able to define functions in Smalltalk (thinking roots, LM,
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
> Stef,
>
> Some thoughts:
>
> (1) I thought Spock would be the unifier. Cool name as a bonus.
>
> (2) FFI can do callbacks, it's just not wrapped. Andreas described how
> to do it, but it's not user friendly.
>
> (3) I suspect the reason
Marcus Denker-4 wrote
>
> So there are multiple problems:
>
> 1) Morphic is not and API or a codebase but and idea (or principle)
> And the question is even: a good one? In the current state for sure not.
> For sure it's instantiation depends *a lot* on the language
> model you have.
>
I think
Do you mean http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4997 ?
In any case, finding a divisor with a naive iteration on all odd
numbers is not the thing to do.
Programming a deterministic and efficient primality test is a hard thing...
I suggest to simply pick squeak version and let isPrime im
Just wanted to make sure you guys were aware that Bob Nemec is making a
PDFReport package for VisualWorks that he
intends to present at STIC and port to other smalltalks:
http://smalltalk-bob.blogspot.com/2012/01/pdf-report-and-law-of-demeter.html
So maybe there's an opportunity for collaboratio
On 2/2/12 7:24 PM, "Sven Van Caekenberghe" wrote:
> Hmm, that should have been
>
> http://ws.stfx.eu/8O58R5KF1FLQ
> http://ws.stfx.eu/8O58TU6FNFL6
>
> Sorry.
Now work !!
And all do miskates :=)
Edgar
Stef,
Some thoughts:
(1) I thought Spock would be the unifier. Cool name as a bonus.
(2) FFI can do callbacks, it's just not wrapped. Andreas described how to do
it, but it's not user friendly.
(3) I suspect the reason for the two packages is pragmatism, but I can't speak
for those among u
On 2/2/12 6:50 PM, "Sven Van Caekenberghe" wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I hacked together a little web service called 'Shared Smalltalk Workspaces'.
>
> http://ws.stfx.eu
>
> It is basically a pastebin for Smalltalk, a way easily to share Smalltalk
> workspaces.
>
> Follow the link above for the detai
urgent is strong, but I'm **close** to having a 1.3 image and hence ability to
play with callbacks. An older version it is.
Thanks!!!
From: pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr
[pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Stéphane
if you urgently needs it load a configuration before we changed.
probably Name: ConfigurationOfCitezen-StephaneDucasse.53
Stef
On Feb 2, 2012, at 10:24 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
> Stef,
>
> If you're bored, it would be nice to have confirmation one way or the other.
> I might have
Stef,
If you're bored, it would be nice to have confirmation one way or the other. I
might have broken something with some of my changes?? However, most of that
loads _after_ the staples, among which Citezen is prominent - thanks for it!
Bill
From
On 02 Feb 2012, at 21:50, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
> Here are 2 more examples
>
> http://ws.stfxeu/8O58R5KF1FLQ
> http://ws.stfxeu/8O58TU6FNFL6
>
> Enjoy !
Hmm, that should have been
http://ws.stfx.eu/8O58R5KF1FLQ
http://ws.stfx.eu/8O58TU6FNFL6
Sorry.
fun :)
It worked :)
Stef
On Feb 2, 2012, at 9:50 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I hacked together a little web service called 'Shared Smalltalk Workspaces'.
>
> http://ws.stfx.eu
>
> It is basically a pastebin for Smalltalk, a way easily to share Smalltalk
> workspaces.
>
On Feb 2, 2012, at 9:50 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I hacked together a little web service called 'Shared Smalltalk Workspaces'.
>
> http://ws.stfx.eu
>
> It is basically a pastebin for Smalltalk, a way easily to share Smalltalk
> workspaces.
thanks! I learned something
On Feb 2, 2012, at 9:31 PM, Eliot Miranda wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 12:25 AM, Stéphane Ducasse
> wrote:
> I'm confused.
> Why do you need alien in addition to FFI.
>
> Because I implemented callbacks in Newspeak's Alien system and then added
> support to FFI to accept Alien's call
thanks
Nicolas could you have a look at the prime number generation issue?
Stef
On Feb 2, 2012, at 8:30 PM, Nicolas Cellier wrote:
> I've created http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5237 and
> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5238
>
> Nicolas
>
> 2012/2/2 Nicolas Ce
On Feb 2, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I am making progress toward building a 1.3 image, but I am getting a hung
> system when loading (#loadNoWeb) Citezen. Is this a known problem?
We got a problem with 1.4 and we made the error to change the 1.3 working
versio
Hi,
I hacked together a little web service called 'Shared Smalltalk Workspaces'.
http://ws.stfx.eu
It is basically a pastebin for Smalltalk, a way easily to share Smalltalk
workspaces.
Follow the link above for the details.
There is a special 'Getting Started' workspace with instructi
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 12:25 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
> I'm confused.
> Why do you need alien in addition to FFI.
>
Because I implemented callbacks in Newspeak's Alien system and then added
support to FFI to accept Alien's callbacks. Replicating the Alien callback
system in FFI can be done,
I've created http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5237 and
http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5238
Nicolas
2012/2/2 Nicolas Cellier :
> Sure, but this leaves plenty of room to Andreas for improving LinkedList.
> For example, collect: has been improved, but what about selec
Hello all,
I am making progress toward building a 1.3 image, but I am getting a hung
system when loading (#loadNoWeb) Citezen. Is this a known problem?
Bill
On Feb 2, 2012, at 7:27 PM, Lawson English wrote:
> I apparently misread some of the papers. I can't find mention of how Morphic
> was ported, though the ability to use smalltalk inside an LK morph suggests
> that there is some expectation of reuse of code or perhaps they simply wanted
> Small
I apparently misread some of the papers. I can't find mention of how
Morphic was ported, though the ability to use smalltalk inside an LK
morph suggests that there is some expectation of reuse of code or
perhaps they simply wanted Smalltalk programmers to feel more
comfortable with LK morphs fr
On Feb 2, 2012, at 7:16 PM, dimitris chloupis wrote:
> curious , do you basically say that Pharo community searches for a way to get
> rid and replace Morphic in Pharo ?
improve it or replace it if someone propose something better :).
Stef
>
>
>
> From: Marcus Denker
> To: Pharo-project@l
On Feb 2, 2012, at 6:27 PM, Markus Rother wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just got done reading the paper "Traits: Composable Units of Behaviour".
> In general, I think the concept is massively underrated and has tons of
> potential.
> I can recommend the paper to anyone to make up one's mind about inherita
curious , do you basically say that Pharo community searches for a way to get
rid and replace Morphic in Pharo ?
From: Marcus Denker
To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr; lengli...@cox.net
Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2012, 20:00
Subject: Re: [Pharo-projec
On Feb 2, 2012, at 6:56 PM, Lawson English wrote:
> My understanding is that one of the design-specs of Lively Kernel Morph was
> to allow easy porting of the original Smalltalk-based Morphs to LK.
If they did that, they did a mistake. Do you really want to be compatible to
Squeak Morphic? To
My understanding is that one of the design-specs of Lively Kernel Morph
was to allow easy porting of the original Smalltalk-based Morphs to LK.
To that end, they incorporate the OMeta parser with a built-in St to JS
translator.
L.
On 2/2/12 10:34 AM, Marcus Denker wrote:
On Feb 2, 2012, at
ok so you basically say different Morphics
are different architectures, different method/functions names, diffirent class
names and generally different workflows ?
If that is the case, yes in that case I can see the reason behind the lack of
interest.
By default anyway LK Morphic and Pharo M
On 2 February 2012 16:17, Camillo Bruni wrote:
> is there somewhere in a hidden place a ConfigurationOfRB?
>
> if yes why is it not in http://squeaksource.com/rb?
Do you mean perhaps ConfigurationOfRefactoringBrowser in
http://www.squeaksource.com/MetacelloRepository ?
frank
On Feb 2, 2012, at 6:31 PM, dimitris chloupis wrote:
> Well if there is a widget that can be easily ported and be useful to people I
> dont see any harm in taking an interest in other Morphic implementations.
>
No, you don't understand. Morphic is not a code base that is compatible. It's a
p
Well if there is a widget that can be easily ported and be useful to people I
dont see any harm in taking an interest in other Morphic implementations.
But then maybe that is "forbiden fruit" for Pharo, I came from Python were we
"steal" all sort of ideas from C/C++ in some case the python libr
Hi,
I just got done reading the paper "Traits: Composable Units of Behaviour".
In general, I think the concept is massively underrated and has tons of
potential.
I can recommend the paper to anyone to make up one's mind about
inheritance issues.
I did not yet try to use traits in Pharo, mysel
On Feb 1, 2012, at 11:27 PM, Lawson English wrote:
> Does Pharo use Morphic? Is there a conscious decision on people's parts to
> NOT try and keep the various flavors of Morphic compatible, or is it just
> "too hard," or that people don't care, or think it irrelevant?
>
So there are multiple
> what ? since when morphic is the future of "others" ?
>
> I am confused, does not Pharo use morphic ? Does not Pharo care for mophic ?
Pharo uses Morphic.
Now we will not make it compatible with the one of Self or javascript.
> I am new with Pharo but I have not seen any other GUI than Mo
what ? since when morphic is the future of "others" ?
I am confused, does not Pharo use morphic ? Does not Pharo care for mophic ?
I am new with Pharo but I have not seen any other GUI than Morphic ,
distributed as standard by Pharo unless I am missing something here ? Am I ?
___
On Feb 2, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Camillo Bruni wrote:
> is there somewhere in a hidden place a ConfigurationOfRB?
PharoRB?
>
> if yes why is it not in http://squeaksource.com/rb?
>
> best
> cami
>
On Feb 1, 2012, at 11:27 PM, Lawson English wrote:
> Does Pharo use Morphic? Is there a conscious decision on people's parts to
> NOT try and keep the various flavors of Morphic compatible, or is it just
> "too hard," or that people don't care, or think it irrelevant?
>
> Some graphical framew
Hi Alain
We use GOODS here. I could try to help. What do you need to know?
Cheers,
Max
On 02.02.2012, at 17:11, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Alain Gonzalez wrote:
> Dear Mariano,
> I have come across your blog where you talk about GOODS database and I'm
Because to calculate the result, the block must always be evaluated, so it's a
bit redundant.
--
Cheers,
Peter.
On 2 feb 2012, at 17:08, Robert Sirois wrote:
> Ok, this may be from a simple lack of understanding, but I just have to know
> ;)
>
> Why can I call #or: (Boolean and friends) wit
is there somewhere in a hidden place a ConfigurationOfRB?
if yes why is it not in http://squeaksource.com/rb?
best
cami
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Alain Gonzalez wrote:
> Dear Mariano,
> I have come across your blog where you talk about GOODS database and I'm
> interested to know if you could help in a task that I've been assigned to
> do.
>
Hi Alain. Unfortunatly, I have never really played with GOODS, so m
Ok, this may be from a simple lack of understanding, but I just have to know ;)
Why can I call #or: (Boolean and friends) with a block, but #xor: only takes a
Boolean? I would think the paradigm would remain the same and be able to
compose operators like #or:, etc.?
What am I missing? Thanks!
RS
Sure, but this leaves plenty of room to Andreas for improving LinkedList.
For example, collect: has been improved, but what about select: ?
{
[(Array withAll: (1 to: 1000)) select: [:e | e even]] bench.
[(LinkedList withAll: (1 to: 1000)) select: [:e | e even]] bench.
}.
-> #('7,240 per second.' '
Hello,
I am trying to load Ring into GemStone.
As Ring uses traits, the first thing I did was flatten the traits.
Based on a thread on this mailing list from June 2011 (Elliot flattening the
traits in Fuel) I used Behavior>flattenDownAllTraits.
One thing I noticed is that, while this method suc
Hi Noury,
I packaged what I have. And even create a settings configuration for it (under
"Deployment" category).
Notice that is very hacky and ugly and needs a lot (and I mean A LOT) of
polish... but is a start :)
see WSSettings class>>#setDeployment: for a start.
WorldSwitch-Preferences-E
laurent laffont wrote:
http://www.slideshare.net/kohsuke/building-developer-community
Slide 9 looks interesting (Thank you for downloading page). How can I do
that with cmsbox / pharo website ?
Laurent Laffont
Slide 20 is an interesting premise. "Division of Labor >
Collaboration."Und
Henrik Johansen wrote:
On Feb 2, 2012, at 10:34 AM, Andreas Haufler (scireum GmbH) wrote:
Hi everyone,
I'm a Pharo newbie with some knowledge about Smalltalk. Surfing through the
code base I stumbled over the implementation of LinkedList collect: - Your're
right, there is none, it's inher
Very nice presentation indeed. Some for me more interesting thoughts:
Every developer starts as a visitor!
(my addon: first impression counts!)
Visitor -> User -> Developer
* Visitor to user
- Download, install, initial configuration,…
* User to developer–
- Obtain source code, build, run,
Prvotno sporočilo
Datum: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 07:54:58 -0600
Od: Peter Hunsberger
With all due respect to the experience of everyone here, people really
need to give up on this naive belief that Smalltalk development is any
more efficient than development in any other language
Prvotno sporočilo
Datum: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 11:54:22 -0500
Od: Paul Baumann
Peter's point that "that there is [not] any inherent advantage in using
Smalltalk development over any other language" is true by the criteria
that he defined to judged it.
It is funny to see "Smallta
On Feb 2, 2012, at 10:34 AM, Andreas Haufler (scireum GmbH) wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm a Pharo newbie with some knowledge about Smalltalk. Surfing through the
> code base I stumbled over the implementation of LinkedList collect: - Your're
> right, there is none, it's inherited by Sequenceab
Hi Esteban,
On 31 janv. 2012, at 14:23, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
> Hi,
>
> in fact, what Mariano posted is just a part... disable everything is
> complicated, because code is everywhere... I'm collection all of this changes
> in a package, to see in advance if it is possible to abstract that.
Thanx Ben. I was aware of the old squeak stuff. I actually have the code on my
disk.
But, I was wondering if there is something for Pharo.
On 31 janv. 2012, at 14:16, Ben Coman wrote:
> Noury Bouraqadi wrote:
>> I remember having seen some time in the past a menu that allows to shrink
>> the im
Thanx Mariano
On 30 janv. 2012, at 17:21, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
> Some stuff I recover form Esteban and some old code:
>
> cleanUpEnvironment
> Smalltalk cleanUp: true.
> ScriptLoader new cleanUpForDesktopProduction.
>
>
> cleanUpForDesktopProduction
> "This is same as cleanU
Hi everyone,
I'm a Pharo newbie with some knowledge about Smalltalk. Surfing through the
code base I stumbled over the implementation of LinkedList collect: -
Your're right, there is none, it's inherited by SequenceableCollection.
Looking through this code, I discovered that it builds a LinkedList
Good idea!
I don't think you can (at least not in a clean way). I'll see what I can find
out and get back to you.
Max
On 02.02.2012, at 10:08, laurent laffont wrote:
> http://www.slideshare.net/kohsuke/building-developer-community
>
> Slide 9 looks interesting (Thank you for downloading page)
http://www.slideshare.net/kohsuke/building-developer-community
Slide 9 looks interesting (Thank you for downloading page). How can I do
that with cmsbox / pharo website ?
Laurent Laffont
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