It is really impressive. Congratz to everyone involved.
What's remarkable is the trend, as it goes up, it is good :)
Esteban A. Maringolo
2013/5/6 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.ber...@me.com:
Cool
Alexandre
On May 6, 2013, at 1:24 PM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote:
Just
I vote for the #bind* (ej, #bindToClass) or similar.
The #asX... means casting for me.
I'd expect that `#Foo asClass` answer a new class named #Foo.
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Esteban A. Maringolo
2013/5/2 Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com:
On 2 May 2013 16:56, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote
+1
KISS principle at its best.
2013/5/2 Nicolas Cellier nicolas.cellier.aka.n...@gmail.com:
I like it
okay. That makes sense and is nicer, and this sparked a new thought...
While you might have other use cases, for that specific one case how about
something like:
#XYZ configuration load.
Can you tell me, a lame Pharo developer, why this is so?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. :)
Thanks!
Esteban A. Maringolo
2013/4/16 Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com:
I'd like to make sure everyone understands the significance of this.
Everything what we did before for Pharo
The thing with such delays is that they're different for each user. Some
type fast, and others type slow.
As a note, Eclipse works the way Stephane describes.
What I like more than a different color is an underscore line, not just for
coding, but like the one in the spellcheckers. It gets your
2013/4/7 Benjamin benjamin.vanryseghem.ph...@gmail.com:
Experienced that too ( a lot )
Me too.
I have other comments regarding first use experiences of
smalltalkers and non-smalltalkers.
Once I contribute something, I'll make them public. :-)
Regards!
Esteban
Yes, CTRL-W is close window or close tab in a multidocument window in MS
Windows.
Regards,
ps: Yes, I said windows lots of times. :)
Esteban A. Maringolo
2013/4/4 Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu
On 04 Apr 2013, at 12:17, S Krish krishnamachari.sudha...@gmail.com
wrote:
I did
, a code snippet, links to download it or to its Github repo. The
same goes for the Node.js webiste.
Python and Django on the other hand have more complex websites.
Regards!
Esteban A. Maringolo
2013/3/28 Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com:
I like this
http://vagrantup.com
and I think you have
Any hints on how to load the Magritte-Seaside package?
Regards,
Esteban A. Maringolo
2013/3/28 Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com:
Magritte2 is a bit old. Magritte3 loads fine (we are using it in Moose).
Doru
On Mar 28, 2013, at 3:11 AM, Esteban A. Maringolo emaring...@gmail.com
wrote
a working configuration. Where can we find it
because we would like to publish it in the
MetaRepoForPharo20.
+. I would love to have working confs for Seaside 3.1, Pier 2 and
Magritte 2.
And speaking of latest versions why not Magritte 3? ;-)
Esteban A. Maringolo
depends on the following classes:
BlockContext
You must resolve these dependencies before you will be able to load
these definitions:
magritteDynamicObject
Esteban A. Maringolo
2013/3/27 Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com:
EstebanLM wrote
So... I wonder... is that because we made a really
2013/3/26 Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu:
I politely disagree ;-)
But I am willing to learn: so please provide some references of such UDP
usage.
I can't speak about all the implementations, but several years ago I
did an UDP Socket wrapper for Dolphin Smalltalk 5 which basically
wrapped
2013/3/25 stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.fr:
I'm looking for labor and many tasks :)
Something like a space launch control center would do it?
Stephane: Does it need to be shown as a picture? It can be in words as
long as it takes less than 1000 words... :)
:)
I'm trying to make
to imagine something that represents that and then look for
a picture of it online.
Stephane: Does it need to be shown as a picture? It can be in words as
long as it takes less than 1000 words... :)
Regards,
Esteban A. Maringolo
As usual, I forgot my SmalltalkHub password. At the third attempt, I
entered the right one.
However, before that I was about to click on a forgot password? or
similar option. But I couldn't find it.
Is there a way to reset it or email it back to me?
Regards
Esteban A. Maringolo
2013/3/23 Frank Church vfcli...@gmail.com:
First rule for open source projects:
The Customer is always right even if he doesn't pay for the product!!
I wouldn't say right, but at least I'd hear what he has to say.
Outsiders usually have the best feedback because they don't have any
attachment
2013/3/23 Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr:
Yes, this is why we are going away from the One-Click concept.
The idea is that you install Pharo2 or Pharo3 or Pharo4 on you system,
like any Application.
This means for windows, there will be an installer, for Mac it might be in
the App
2013/3/22 Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr:
http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download
Instead of 1.4 and 2.0 it now lists 2.0 and 3.0
Markus, it should say there the 3.0 is Alpha.
If somebody goes straight to that URI, unless they look at the sidebar
(which is unlikely) they may end up
)
Magritte 3.0
PetitParser
Grease
Can you share a workspace with the statements to load those?
I tried to do that in the 2.0 and failed successfully :), so I stuck
with 1.4 until I have more time to read and understand the
differences.
Esteban A. Maringolo
The good thing about HN or Reddit or any other horizontal propagation
medium, is that your message reachs people that doesn't have anything to do
with Smalltalk as it is today (comeback?) or as it was before (great).
It is a good way to get feedback from real users, that are prospects who
might
Will the bugtracker be open one day?
Can I have an account?
Thnx!
Esteban A. Maringolo
2013/3/8 p...@highoctane.be p...@highoctane.be:
'k thx.
I do use FBZ since quite a while (v3), so good :-)
2013/3/8 Benjamin benjamin.vanryseghem.ph...@gmail.com:
For now we are just migrating
And as the biblical story tells, St. Esteban was the first martyr...
stoned by lots of VM crashes, he kept his faith and today announces
peace on images.
I look forward to migrate my incipient stuff from 1.4 stable to 2.0 stable :)
Regards.
Esteban A. Maringolo
2013/3/14 Esteban Lorenzano
2013/3/11 Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com
On 11 March 2013 13:34, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote:
i am very happy that github exists.. and its features available only if you
put code there..
but if code is not on github, then what you will do?
To rephrase the question: what
2013/2/27 Gastón Dall' Oglio gaston.dallog...@gmail.com:
Yes I suspected that this was what you wanted to say.
If I understood what he wants, the thing is that XMLWriter, as also is
its Seaside ancestor, are stream oriented.
To do what he wants he should have an XML DOM and manipulate the DOM
[OFF TOPIC]
Hi Torsten,
I guess I'm not the first to notice, but somebody has to say it...
what's wrong with your mail client? :)
It messes up all the threaded conversations! :D
Regards,
E.
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2013/2/26 Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr:
On Feb 26, 2013, at 4:57 PM, stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.fr
wrote:
I love the complete ecosystem you are step by step building.
This is so great!
Yes! Just imagine we continue like that… we are now (slowly, slowly) reaching
a
2013/2/26 Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr:
On Feb 26, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo emaring...@gmail.com
wrote:
If you count the number of packages in SmalltalkHub and compare them
to the ones in Npmjs.org, it is impressive how much we have.
But isn't package more like
Hi Frank,
2013/2/26 Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com:
On 26 February 2013 18:33, Esteban A. Maringolo emaring...@gmail.com wrote:
But it is true that GitHub is to SmalltakHub what npm/gem is to...?
No. GitHub and SmalltalkHub are repositories. Rubygems for Ruby (or
clojars for Clojure
2013/2/26 Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com:
On 26 February 2013 20:07, stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.fr wrote:
There is no magic if as a programmer we do not define the dependencies we
cannot do anything. ;)
so we should define configurationOf and we will take real advantages of
://github.com/danchoi/kindlefodder in the book CI pipeline... :D
I know I'm asking without giving anything back, but at least that way
I'd read it! :)
(and Kindles/ebook readers are more common every day).
Regards!
Esteban A. Maringolo
behind changing the semantics of a largely
used selector in other dialects also?
e.g. in Dolphin and VisualAge/VAST
'' subStrings: $; = ('' '' '' '')
(In VA the implementation dates from 1996!)
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Esteban A. Maringolo
Is there a way to have public access to issues?
I mean, read only access to see the backlog of issues, what's being done, etc.
With FogBugz all I see at pharo.fogbugz.com is a login page, whilst
with Google Issue Tracking I was able to see the milestones, etc.
Regards!
Esteban A. Maringolo
I would go for GitHub, its exposition is really good for the project.
But if file attachments (other than pictures) is a showstopper, then...
I would suggest:
* Mantis (PHP Based, but with a SOAP API) http://mantisbt.org/
We've been using it in our company since 7 years ago, and it has
proven to
have ~12000 issues tracked,
and moving off is not an option by now.
On aesthetics I like the simplicity of GitHub or the style of JIRA
(some bloatware can be removed and/or hidden).
Regards,
Esteban A. Maringolo
I there is going to be a suffix for the VM, I would name them PharoJIT
and PharoStack. So both have suffixes, otherwise PharoS sounds like
it has something else the clean Pharo doesn't.
Just my view on naming things.
Regards,
Esteban A. Maringolo
2013/2/5 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca
2013/1/30 Norbert Hartl norb...@hartl.name:
(SNIP)
I would make the none categorized term weaker by naming it uncategorizied
so at least I have the change to deliberately not categorizing my methods
without being annoyed by someones opinion about what is essential.
I agree with this, I'd
problems. Mailing lists are old-fashioned for getting
answers of common problems, usage, etc, for everything else, maybe
StackOverflow is a good tool to use, and also a display for Pharo
community.
Less is more. :)
Esteban A. Maringolo
2013/1/29 Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com:
well.. I
2013/1/29 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr:
Hi guys
I spend my time recategorizing methods.
I would like the change the intention of 'as yet unclassified' because this
is a PLAGUE.
It is like throwing papers on the floor.
So we should have a different name to indicate that it
Me neither.
But I can through this link:
https://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=7268
Esteban A. Maringolo
2013/1/17 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr:
strange I cannot reach this page.
Stef
On Jan 16, 2013, at 7:23 PM, Camillo Bruni wrote:
the 100% smalltalk monkey
This is really really sad news. :-(
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: http://www.gnu.org/software/smalltalk/manual/gst.html
Dolphin Smalltalk also uses this, to avoid recalculation of constants,
but preserving the readability of code.
http://www.object-arts.com/downloads/docs/index.html?constantaccessmethod.htm
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2013/1/2 J. P. L. Martín argu...@gmail.com:
Another question, when I try this:
Prestamo database collect: [:x | x id,' ',x idMaterial]
I get Receiver of , nil. How do I solve it?
You probably have one or more elements in the collection returned by
Prestamo database whose id's are nil.
Then
or some aspect of it. You might create the String every time the
message is received or if it is its name, you just return it.
ps: I don't know how this relates to the Morphic subject :)
Esteban A. Maringolo
2013/1/2 J. P. L. Martín argu...@gmail.com:
Done, I've just append asString
2012/12/28 Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com:
Just one question: why it is so big?
Usually you create it in a paper size and then scale it down when
rasterizing (PNG, GIF, etc). There's always a point to pixel
conversion ratio than can cause that, i.e. the file might be in 300
DPI, and converting
2012/12/28 Pavel Krivanek pavel.kriva...@gmail.com:
I guess that Igor had file size in mind :-)
Yep. My bad. I tend to think in weight for file size :)
The original result of the conversion was twice as big so it's not so
bad ;-) It is quite complicated shape with a lot of gradients (most of
2012/12/27 Mariano Martinez Peck marianop...@gmail.com:
Check under category Media in https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/?group_id=1299
Thank you Mariano, I found what I was looking for.
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Esteban A. Maringolo
This is really good. Step by step we're having the tools to integrate our
solutions into the mainstream of web development.
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You can use #valueWithArguments: or #valueWithPossibleArgs: instead of using
#value:value:value:
numArgs instVar might be your friend in what you want to achieve.
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Why not ~ducasse/Pharo? (~user/project)
It promotes a culture of projects forking and pull requests to integrate
changes back. Isn't that a way to avoid the stagnation of projects?
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abergel wrote
No no. This can not work
Can you please provide the rationale behind that statement? :)
DISCLAIMER: Since I'm not actively participating in any alternative, I will
happily receive whatever gets done.
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I agree with what most people have said, from both sides.
Most of the Smalltalkers I know that are making a living out of it are small
teams, if not single developer companies (letting aside the fact my company
have more than a dozen of smalltalkers). The transition path should be done
as
Tudor Girba-2 wrote
Thanks :).
This should not be difficult, and it's a nice idea. Next week, Andrei will
be visiting Lille, so perhaps this would be a good opportunity to play
with
things :).
Dolphin does something like that, showing in the debugger a list of all the
objects in
I vote for Null*
For me Deaf* reminds me the DeafObject of Dolphin which always returns
itself (or true to #mustBeBoolean).
It is some kind of /dev/null, useful to the creation of the GUI, where some
objects aren't available yet and might get an undesired message.
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Is there a way to explore SmalltalkHub's projects? Like with
https://github.com/explore ?
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Just as a side note, there is no password recovery feature for those with
bad memory like me. :D
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Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote
I want to use the pier syntax because I know that I can generate the
correct latex
with it for the books, and of course any kind of html and other formats.
I vote for Markdown, it is more like a defacto standard.
And you can convert Markdown into anything,
Igor Stasenko wrote
you may try changing golferReferences to goferReferences
n! keep golfer! i like the name :)
+1
:)
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Thanks Janko.
The demo site doesn't seem to work, the buttons are disabled, but I believe
you it works! :)
What's the relation between AIDA/Swazoo Websockets and Sven's
implementation?
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Hola Esteban,
Dne 02. 11. 2012 13:50, piše Esteban A. Maringolo:
Thanks Janko.
The demo site doesn't seem to work, the buttons are disabled, but I
believe
you it works! :)
Which browser and which version do you use? Do you have in red a warning
that your browser
There even are Github branded mates: http://instagram.com/p/LrLRBtJr03/
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I think that the examples related with stuff invented 30 years ago will
depend on the audience.
Most programmers, young ones in particular, have a deep lack of knowledge
about the history of technology , they barely know about the tools they use
everyday, and they don't have interest in learning
Impressive.
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Good oneliner.
But why `Symbol allSymbols asSortedCollection last`
Doesn't return the same?
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Pavel Krivanek-3 wrote
it sorts by alphabetical order, not by symbol size
Excellent, I didn't look into its implementation.
Thank you Pavel.
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If you want those kind of niceties in the debugger/browser look at how
Dolphin Smalltalk does it.
On MNU's you can implement methods in the class of any of the parents of the
receiver object. Or even implement it while in the method browser.
The development experience is so streamlined that it
EstebanLM wrote
what Doru says makes sense... but in the other side, all the IDEs in the
world use enter for completion.
We should also welcome newcomers... so, I vote for enter or better, a
configuration.
+1 Good default
+1 presets (vi, emacs, other dialects, etc).
The first thing I
Excellent news Sven!
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Deepi wrote
yes . I am using pharo 2.1 and there no nthRoot: in it.
Are you sure you're using Pharo 2.1? Because there is no such version (yet).
In Pharo 2.0 there is a #nthRoot: method. I don't know what will happen with
in the v2.1, but I'm pretty sure it will remain there.
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256 nthRoot: 8 will return 2
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Deepi wrote
Is there any method that does this in Pharo?
Yes, again, #nthRoot: :)
It is available in Pharo 1.4 at least.
Did you try evaluating 27 nthRoot: 3 in a Workspace?
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We're not missing much, and somehow Smalltalk and particularly Pharo provides
much more.
It's funny how a non-mainstream lang like Clojure was able to pitch a tool
like this to raise $300K in Kickstarter. I envy these kind of outcomes, and
always makes me thing what we, Smalltalkers as a
Chris Cunningham wrote
I have cases where I have multiple background processes going on that
occassionally wake up, and in that case, I really, really appreciate
the stacking progress bars - I can tell that one (or more) background
processes have kicked off. This isn't quite 'nesting',
Stéphane Ducasse wrote
we should produce more 5 min videos!!!
Look we are not able to even do that.
No smalltalker with a sane mind would record himself five minutes doing his
regular work. :)
But truth is we should find a way to impress people like light table did.
The most impressive
Igor Stasenko wrote
On 1 June 2012 17:58, Esteban A. Maringolo lt;emaringolo@gt; wrote:
If the progress tracks something that happens in the background with no
direct impact to the workflow (such as uploading/downloading something),
I'm
ok to have a separate out-of-bounds bar
You're right. But let's be real, how many progress-bar related actions do you
perform on a hourly based?
I've been programming daily in smalltalk for the last 7+ years, and most of
the times progress bars show up when:
- Performing a long/deep search in the image (which I have to wait until it
Igor Stasenko wrote
On 1 June 2012 20:12, Esteban A. Maringolo lt;emaringolo@gt; wrote:
But truth is we should find a way to impress people like light table
did.
The truth is, that its not impressed me.. after things i seen in
smalltalk.
Not me either, I even ranted about it as soon
Sven,
First of all congratulation for your work. It is really good.
Having ported Swazoo to Dolphin I can figure what it takes to create a whole
new HTTP server/client, so again, kudos to you.
Regarding the docs, I would switch the links, leaving the no-js option as
the default. That will avoid
Marcus Denker-4 wrote
On May 29, 2012, at 4:36 PM, Gary Chambers wrote:
Lol, not even me any more ;-)
The look of Windows8 will be much simpler...
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/05/18/creating-the-windows-8-user-experience.aspx
(scroll to the end).
You read my mind.
Some
I would like to share my quick two cents regarding this subject.
1st cent. I would stick with JSON. Even though I find STON slick, I would
not deviate from something that is mainstream and all Smalltalk dialects
already support.
2nd cent. A Dictionary literal syntax would be useful too. I would
Göran Krampe wrote
I don't want to sound like a broken record - but you do realize that I
wrote about this in the article and mentioned this exact syntax?
I know, the article was a tad long - but just go to planet.smalltalk.org
and search down to Sidestory: Adding literal Dictionaries
Great news.
Congratulations!
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Maybe another use would be to serialize a complete context when handling
errors at runtime.
Instead of having just a error.log/walkback.log/foo.errors file you could
have the whole context.
It's not like having the debugger right there when it happened, but it's
closer to that.
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is it me or the style of squeak looks faster than the one of pharo?
Do you know if there were special optimisation beside the style or this is
just the rounding
and other niceties of Pharo look that make it slower?
Stef
I had the same impression, both
sends because I can track local senders, and
refactor mercilessly. But it also depends on the tool set you have, in
some refactoring browsers you can see which methods read an inst var
and also refactor inst var names on a whole hierarchy (or package).
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Esteban A. Maringolo
Bill,
I celebrate your work of bringing the dolphin near the pharo ;-)
Thanks for your collaboration,
Esteban A. Maringolo
2009/9/2 Schwab,Wilhelm K bsch...@anest.ufl.edu
Hello all,
I think I have the catalog (tables and field name/type given a table name)
working. The latest ODBC
Hello Bill,
2009/8/31 Schwab,Wilhelm K bsch...@anest.ufl.edu:
Hello all,
Is there anything available for Pharo that gives schema information about a
database?
Doesn't SqueakDBX do that?
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, most of the
times I would say, it's out of the discussion.
Even with objects mapped to tables, you can do real good object programming.
I don't want to see another isolated Smalltalk again, the more able
you are to interconnect with the external world, the better.
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SqueakSave seems to bee pretty attractive, does it work in Pharo?
Shouldn't it be PharoSave? :)
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anything (free), being it MySQL, PostgreSQL or Sql Server Express.
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other resource I should be aware to learn the mentioned above?
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Magritte and Seaside.
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2009/7/21 Alexandre Bergel alexan...@bergel.eu:
Ok, so there is approximately 11 commercial entities (which includes
company, consultant, self-employed) using Pharo.
This is an excellent news!
Cheers,
Alexandre
On 21 Jul 2009, at 10:59
Hello,
Mariano's post spurred me to write my reasons of why to use it, so I
started this post.
After many hesitations (I was reluctant to use Squeak) I decided to
use Pharo for it and not Dolphin (my favorite Smalltalk), because of
several reasons.
would be nice to know them hehe
sorry...in
I downloaded it, and used it randomly and it considerably faster
than the previous version.
Thanks for the improvement.
ps: I got some errors while looking for senders, for example looking
at the senders of #asArray and clicking on some of the senders.
Regards,
--
Esteban.
bytecodes/sec; 4413998 sends/sec'
Regards,
Esteban A. Maringolo
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2009/7/16 Mariano Martinez Peck marianop...@gmail.com:
I think it has no sense to test with several images. Look adrian comment
This basically measures how many bytecodes and messages the VM can
execute per second.
So, I guess it is a benchmark for VM + hardware. I don't think the image
can
Hi Stef,
2009/7/14 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr:
Hi estaban
[SNIP]
As a side note, I downloaded the latest Cuis image from
http://www.jvuletich.org/Cuis/Index.html
, and its amazingly fast.
As a side note. We do not consider ourselves in competition with Cuis.
We integrated
Hi all,
2009/7/14 Mariano Martinez Peck marianop...@gmail.com:
Users don't know the details and they don't care. If they open a Pharo
image and its slow, then this just gives a bad impression. If people
start telling each other Pharo is slow, we will loose reputation
that is very hard to win
, and its amazingly fast.
¿Am I missing something?
Best regards,
Esteban A. Maringolo
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