Re: [Pharo-users] Moving from Slack to Discord

K'mon Kilon, we need more agreement and cohesion and you bring Discord to this community! ;-) Esteban A. Maringolo 2016-09-08 18:35 GMT-03:00 Dimitris Chloupis : > Yeap that's definetly a plus however it won't be free if you decide to use > rocket server which gives

Re: [Pharo-users] Moving from Slack to Discord

Yeap that's definetly a plus however it won't be free if you decide to use rocket server which gives Discord the edge here. On Fri, 9 Sep 2016 at 00:23, Brad Selfridge wrote: > Plus, you can setup your own chat server > > > > - > Brad Selfridge > -- > View this

Re: [Pharo-users] Moving from Slack to Discord

On Thu, 08 Sep 2016 21:02:41 + Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > Well it's a free world after all , so you are welcome to use whatever > you like. Sure. ;) > But on the one hand you talk about safety and then you mention IRC > which is the polar opposite to safety. Well,

Re: [Pharo-users] Moving from Slack to Discord

Plus, you can setup your own chat server - Brad Selfridge -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Moving-from-Slack-to-Discord-tp4914751p4914852.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: [Pharo-users] Moving from Slack to Discord

Hmm I am blind it has mobile clients after all. Looks like I will be testing it out soon. The more the merrier ;) On Fri, 9 Sep 2016 at 00:02, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > Well it's a free world after all , so you are welcome to use whatever you > like. > > But on the one

Re: [Pharo-users] Moving from Slack to Discord

Well it's a free world after all , so you are welcome to use whatever you like. But on the one hand you talk about safety and then you mention IRC which is the polar opposite to safety. I also consider another chat client , rocket chat https://rocket.chat This one is open source using our

Re: [Pharo-users] Moving from Slack to Discord

On Thu, 08 Sep 2016 19:36:24 + Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > Minor correction Discord is not free software but it offers all its > services for free. So it's not like Pharo after all. When we speak about 'services for free', I'm always suspicious in regard to

Re: [Pharo-users] Moving from Slack to Discord

Hold your horses we still testing it out. No need to rush things. Stick with Slack, that's fine. I don't know about linking Slack and Discord. Personally I don't see the point, when we created Slack , the IRC channel died out. The same will happen to slack if discord proves as good as we assume

Re: [Pharo-users] Moving from Slack to Discord

+100 On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 9:25 PM, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > The main reason why Unreal has abandoned Slack is the reason I made the > Discord server and that is 10.000 messages limit. Not only Slack asks > payment for more but it also deletes anything that passes that

Re: [Pharo-users] Moving from Slack to Discord

Is there a way to link Slack with Discord? I remember people asking for a IRC gateway when I setup the Slack channel, don't know whether they still use IRC or the gateway at all. I could change easily, I don't like the fact that I'll have to install another app in my phone... but whatever... no

Re: [Pharo-users] Moving from Slack to Discord

The main reason why Unreal has abandoned Slack is the reason I made the Discord server and that is 10.000 messages limit. Not only Slack asks payment for more but it also deletes anything that passes that limit. For me and Esteban and I suspect many people that's unacceptable when there a ton of

Re: [Pharo-users] Moving from Slack to Discord

Hi Kilon, Why move there? Just because Unreal is using it and dropped Slack doesn't mean it doesn't work for a small community like ours. I would avoid adding noise here and stick with what already works. It took us some time to reach ~250 members in https://pharoproject.slack.com/.

Re: [Pharo-users] Moving from Slack to Discord

Thanks all of the people who joined us we are already 14 members including 2 administrators me and Esteban. Discord has passed this daily test, it supports markup which means you can paste Pharo code with Smalltalk syntax highlighting, it previews links, edit messages, has YouTube and Twitch

Re: [Pharo-users] SpecBooklet: Strange behavior of ProtocolBrowser

Thanks for your kind words and also for the report of the issues, I will take care of that ASAP! -- Does this mail seem too brief? Sorry for that, I don’t mean to be rude! Please see http://emailcharter.org . Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD and RyCh labs - Computer Science

Re: [Pharo-users] difficult to kill objects - pesky hanging pointersTo

On 7 September 2016 at 20:45, stepharo wrote: > And wht I learned is that we should do > > > ClassOfObjectsThatMustDie allInstances first become: nil > but really String new. > But why a two-way become and not a becomeForward?

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Territorial Re-Licensing

Hi Offray Ad hominem comments never help. But we all make mistakes, we are not experts in Argumentation Theory, but I think we are learning from every discussion. Licensing has black void holes. I would prefer to read "GPL could result in lower feedback for your projects, because community size

Re: [Pharo-users] SpecBooklet: Strange behavior of ProtocolBrowser

--- Begin Message --- Hi Jhoan, Does static typing could fix these kind of bugs? [hahaha, just kidding ;) ] About the SpecBooklet, for now there's only 3 (really) small issues: at page 3 --> the phrase "You could can use the rest..." should be fixed; at page 5 --> to

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] Small OS-... project addition

> On 08 Sep 2016, at 15:55, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > > Pretty cool! > Is it available from the catalog? > > Alexandre > > >> On Sep 8, 2016, at 4:06 AM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> now also the OSX project in the OS series [1] has

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Territorial Re-Licensing

Yes he did after my reply "So sorry to be rude but I'm ***REALLY*** busy. Much more than you can imagine. Even more. And I feel responsible. " So let us move on :) On Thu, 8 Sep 2016 at 16:19, PBKResearch wrote: > Well did he? All I saw was an attempt to justify what

Re: [Pharo-users] Small OS-... project addition

Pretty cool! Is it available from the catalog? Alexandre > On Sep 8, 2016, at 4:06 AM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: > > Hi, > > now also the OSX project in the OS series [1] has support to > > - directly open a terminal > - directly open a file browser (Finder) on the working

Re: [Pharo-users] SpecBooklet: Strange behavior of ProtocolBrowser

Hi Matteo, glad to be of help. And sorry but these kinds of concurrency bugs are the hardest to catch, there is no straightforward solution. -- Does this mail seem too brief? Sorry for that, I don’t mean to be rude! Please see http://emailcharter.org . Johan Fabry -

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Territorial Re-Licensing

Dory, can your mail be put on the Pharo web page, the contributions part? It seems that with a bit of polishing it would fit in well there, and this way future discussions can point to that page. -- Does this mail seem too brief? Sorry for that, I don’t mean to be rude! Please see

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Territorial Re-Licensing

Well did he? All I saw was an attempt to justify what he had said, in terms of the difficult history etc. Forceful argument is fine, but a personal attack like the one Offray quoted is unforgiveable. It could be put to bed if Stef would just say ‘sorry’ for that. But I’m not holding my breath.

Re: [Pharo-users] SpecBooklet: Strange behavior of ProtocolBrowser

Thanks Stef ! There will be a new chapter for you to review soon ;-) -- Does this mail seem too brief? Sorry for that, I don’t mean to be rude! Please see http://emailcharter.org . Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD and RyCh labs - Computer Science Department (DCC) -

Re: [Pharo-users] SpecBooklet: Strange behavior of ProtocolBrowser

--- Begin Message --- thanks Jhoan for the explanation! Do you know some technique to intercept this kind bug? (...or to avoid them?) thanks Matteo On 08/09/16 01:11, Johan Fabry wrote: > Excellent, you found a bug in my code! > > What happens is that when one item is selected in a list, in the

[Pharo-users] Moving from Slack to Discord

I have been aware about Discord for some time now , but I never used it because both Pharo and Unreal channels are on Slack. From my small experience with it, it seemed much more superior to Slack with added bonus that is completely free (open source ) and with no restrictions unlike Slack. But

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Territorial Re-Licensing

Please let's move on. My motivation was trying to see the logic behind licenses in Pharo (not on popularity of GPL vs MIT), raised by a valid concern on free riding, enclosure of the commons and reciprocity, which is a hot topic with a lot of debate in free culture/knowledge communities. I

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Territorial Re-Licensing

well he did apologize And these things do happen in all communities, I cannot begin to describe the poison I have received in the #common-lisp irc channel. One time also in their mailing list , some old member got annoyed for small reason with a begineer and he gave him code to delete his hard

Re: [Pharo-users] Profiling

> On 08 Sep 2016, at 14:01, Vitor Medina Cruz wrote: > > Thanks for the answers! > > If this is time spent on I/O it is really strange. I am consuming the Twitter > API and it don't get so much time like this to get a response. Besides, while > those profiles were made

Re: [Pharo-users] Profiling

Thanks for the answers! If this is time spent on I/O it is really strange. I am consuming the Twitter API and it don't get so much time like this to get a response. Besides, while those profiles were made at a Windows 10 local machine, the same code on a Pharo 5 (get.pharo.org) deployed on a

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Territorial Re-Licensing

Hi Tudor, I recognize the impedance with mail as an expression medium and most of the time it was like you said, except when Stef addressed to me with "It is amazing how you like talking" (is this some kind of invitation to "just shut up!"? Is that a "remainder" I have not written enough

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Territorial Re-Licensing

Hi Offray, I am sorry you feel down. The wording of Stef did appear strong. However, please keep in mind that email is a terrible medium for expressing and transmitting feelings. I would kindly ask you to reconsider the emails and focus on the content and you will see that the wording was not

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Territorial Re-Licensing

Nice to know something good came out after taking all the heat. In my case I learn about licensing with the reasons behind and not "just take it!"... My sources of information, the main spec.st site, made my mistake about dual license a valid misinterpretation and even the idea that there are

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] Small OS-... project addition

Nice! Doru > On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: > > Hi, > > now also the OSX project in the OS series [1] has support to > > - directly open a terminal > - directly open a file browser (Finder) on the working directory > > right from the Pharo tools menu.

Re: [Pharo-users] Profiling

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 3:44 AM, Vitor Medina Cruz wrote: > Hello, > > While profiling some I/O code that takes ~20 seconds to execute under my > local image, the report says that about ~13 seconds is waste on > OtherProcesses -> ProcessorScheduler class>>idleProcess. I

Re: [Pharo-users] Spur problem?

Usman I do not think that Synectique should deploy Pharo 50 products before any real experiences have been done and this is good that you are doing them because Synectique as Moos as some special memory setup. Stef Le 7/9/16 à 16:56, Usman Bhatti a écrit : Hi, While working on a Pharo 5

Re: [Pharo-users] SpecBooklet: Strange behavior of ProtocolBrowser

Johan let me know if there is anything that I should do. Stef Le 8/9/16 à 01:11, Johan Fabry a écrit : Excellent, you found a bug in my code! What happens is that when one item is selected in a list, in the other list the currently selected item is de-selected. This causes *both* blocks

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Territorial Re-Licensing

You can be proud of you. I'm proud of you and I can tell you that I really understand you. I can tell you that once I was tempted to change the license of my new books because bad people could just take everything. (yes this is silly when you read but I thought about it and we even discussed

[Pharo-users] Small OS-... project addition

Hi, now also the OSX project in the OS series [1] has support to - directly open a terminal - directly open a file browser (Finder) on the working directory right from the Pharo tools menu. See attached screenshot. Depending on your platform just load - OSOSX - OSWindows -

Re: [Pharo-users] Performance vs Ruby performance

It does not matter. When it comes to performance the workflow is always the same whatever the language you use. 1. Profile the code see where it consume most CPU cycles 2. Can you improve the code to remove unnecessary processing ? You will be surprised how many times its your code and not the

Re: [Pharo-users] Performance vs Ruby performance

What ruby runtime exactly ? The standard ruby interpreter, rubinius, JRuby ? What do you mean by performance ? Smallest time to run long computation ? Latency for web servers ? Pauses in real time applications ? The standard ruby interpreter is really slow (likely ~100 times slower than the