Re: [Pharo-users] About "it's not pharo but smalltalk"

Hi Ben Maybe you misunderstood what I meant. I was thinking of Pharo-backward-compatibility. not Smalltalk-backward-compatibility I am only suggesting that Pharo should be downward compatible (that is, within Pharo's scope only). meaning that everything built wit Pharo version X should load

Re: [Pharo-users] About "it's not pharo but smalltalk"

Although I'll stick to what I wrote, looking back at what I wrote, it appears as to be not friendly at all times, I will try to prevent that next time. It also has to do with communication in writing only, which is a whole lot different as talking and listening while e.g. sharing a table together

Re: [Pharo-users] About "it's not pharo but smalltalk"

Although I'll stick to what I wrote, looking back at what I wrote, it appears as to be not friendly at all times, I will try to prevent that next time. It also has to do with communication in writing only, which is a whole lot different as talking and listening while e.g. sharing a table together

Re: [Pharo-users] About "it's not pharo but smalltalk"

Dear Esteban, To make a long thread short: For users, your attitude/opinion implies the following facts: -if adhering to Pharo, then all the things one creates become increasingly incompatible with Smalltalk, because, in effect, you state that Pharo abandons/deviates from Smalltalk as a

Re: [Pharo-users] About "it's not pharo but smalltalk"

Yes, Esteban, maybe I was a bit harsh, in a sense you're right too, However it becomes blurred then wat Smalltalk really is. (e.g. I recommend Pharo as Smalltalk to others) I would prefer -but who am I- that all Smalltalk dialects should implement the ANSI standard as a minimum and at least

Re: [Pharo-users] About "it's not pharo but smalltalk"

Pharo IS Smalltalk, whether you like it or not. my 2 cents: This thread is incredibly ridiculous IMHO. Is this becoming something like a religious argument, like church schisms in medieval times? Pharo IS Smalltalk and that is good: That means everyone that is familiar with Smalltalk can use

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Thanks for Pharo 8.0! Sorry to revive this thread again and again since version 6, but the full screen freeze problem on Mac still persists. Did a clean install today of Pharo 8.0 as follows: Remove all Pharo, apps, images, launcher from before < Pharo 8.0 (saved my stuff in .st files before

Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

Couldn't resist entering this doubtful CoC thread, just to enter a few lines and then I am gone again. One doesn't need a Code of Conduct. It is ridiculous. Civilized and respectful non discriminating behaviour should be implicit in everyone of us! If one insists in having a code of conduct

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Sorry for the later response. yes here too: resizing didn't cause problems. Drastic work around :o) : I have now installed Pharo 7.0 on my other Windows 10 PC, Using the Pharo Launcher. ** Everything works ok, on my windows machine. installed Seaside, my own app dev from .st fileins. etc. Great!

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Hi Tim, I did that before (see thread history) and other kinds of magic too. Probably (still) a VM error? (because it happens with squeak also, which uses same VM?) However, it is beyond my skills and knowledge No idea how to solve this. The problem has been around for much too long It

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

To All (this thread becomes a bit long) Ca. 4 months later: Today 2 Aug 2019 I did this: -downloaded and run Pharo Launcher. -In the launcher, downloaded and started the fresh Pharo 7.0 64 image Pharo then starts up with this image (but did it also launch with the most recent VM it could

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

ue, 30 Apr 2019 at 17:44, Stephan Eggermont > stephan@ > wrote: >> >> TedVanGaalen > tedvga@ > wrote: >> > Crying victory too soon: >> > Alas, it happened again pharo screen frozen, >> > partly drawn, when going to full screen >> > (

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Crying victory too soon: Alas, it happened again pharo screen frozen, partly drawn, when going to full screen ( see image.) frustrating. The strange thing however: the Seaside/Zinc server kept running that is: I could enter and save data in in my test app running in the web browser! No idea

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

FYI FWIWfurther testing: Running 7.03 with the 20181039 VM -loaded Seaside 3.3 from Git -filed in my test web app + utils everything working OK without any changes! Thanks TedvG -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Forgot to mention : Tests were run with newest 7.03 image, also downloaded today. -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Hi Stephan Yes, tested this briefly: I confirm that 20181039 works, 201810230536 is broken The broken version freezes as soon as selecting full screen from the menu it freezes also when resizing or moving the window. (after force quitting it and restarting. The 20181039 on first

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Hi Stephan yes, you wrote that already before, but which specific VM from files.pharo.org? there are many. TedvG -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Hi Stephan, Pending: (Which VM?) If you still think trying a VM with Pharo 7 on my Mac is important for you to conquer the bug in the VM, then please tell me which VM I should try out on my Mac. Regards TedvG -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] (Re)Introducing Mars (Spec 2.0 Gtk3 bindings)

@Esteban: Of course you are right that there are cases a standalone app would be more convenient e.g. as you mentioned: graphical (image processing) apps, digital audio workstations, like Cubase. In most cases these are the kind of apps that deal with personal (local) data, which mostly is not

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] (Re)Introducing Mars (Spec 2.0 Gtk3 bindings)

Hi Esteban let me write an example: (lots of time at the moment) Hypothetical CASE 1 Stand Alone Solution: Currently it's just a pilot/study project, but let's assume for a moment that after a year so of really hard working on it in Pharo, I finally completed my dental application

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] (Re)Introducing Mars (Spec 2.0 Gtk3 bindings)

"Because there is still an important place for desktop applications market and most medium-size to big business still require them." Really? Most things run on browsers these days. Why would I need a GTK layer? (btw, GTK is yet another dependency on a 3rd party package) In my opinion the

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Hi Stephan I am a bit confused, not really at home in your VM world, so please send me a link for the VM + an Image that you'd like me to try on my mac. Thanks Ted -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

ok, I'll try please give me a link to that VM 20182039 can't find it here: https://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo-spur64/mac/ TedvG -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Thanks for the Info/Link, Stephan So it is a VM error then? Guess we'll have to wait for a VM + Pharo 7.xx combo that works correctly on macOS. I now re-installed Pharo 5.0 (pre spur vm) loaded Seaside with Zincserver (using gofer) into it and my .st files from 2011... might be a bit slower

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Did just try with scaled resolution 1920 * 1080 (on my 4K screen) to no avail. same error:freeze with "toggle full screen" -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Hope stack tells more. Could dig out an old hdmi HD monitor from unpacked moving cartons somewhere, tell me you don't need me to do so :o\ -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

from the other terminal window: teds-personal-mac-mini:~ TedvG$ ps -a | grep pharo 811 ttys0000:00.01 bash ./pharo-ui Pharo.image 815 ttys0000:10.06 /Users/TedvG/pharo-vm/Pharo.app/Contents/MacOS/Pharo Pharo.image 824 ttys0010:00.00 grep pharo teds-personal-mac-mini:~ TedvG$

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

and so i did. result (the omega was a ctrl z to get up. had to open another term. window to kill and dump. see here: = teds-personal-mac-mini:~ TedvG$ ./pharo-ui Pharo.image Ω SIGUSR1 Wed Apr 17 17:45:27 2019 VM:

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Note! Just being playing a bit further with Squeak 5.2 and it freezes too, when resizing the window! Similar things in VM ? Regards TedvG -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Sure. Which one? and with what image? However, don't know if that would make a difference, because I've been trying this repeatedly since Pharo 6.0 Squeak 5.2 (just downloaded and launched just to try) works ok, but for what I do, and previous work/classes made with Pharo 5.0, Pharo/Seaside would

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Hi Sven -launched the original image again. -dragged the Pharo window to almost full screen, (4K) it then gets redrawing problems: - drawing the window contents partly - and in the wrong places and after a short time then freezes again. Exactly the same symptoms as described

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Hi Paul thanks for responding. what I did now: - removed all Pharo apps & images etc. from my system (no problem, i have all i need backed up in .st and .mcz files) followed your instructions to install the latest VM and Image: terminal log: ===

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Hello The freeze problem still exist. (since 2017, starting with Pharo 6) 16 April 2019: Today I have loaded Pharo7.0.3-0-64bit-0903ade.image with VM On my Mac Mini late 2012, mac OS Mojave 10.14.4 (OS up to date, system

Re: [Pharo-users] Problem loading image after changing resolution from 4Kto HD

Thank you Stef I'll wait and use Pharo 5.0 (on Mac and Windows) until this problem is solved. No problem, with Seaside and Postgress db installed in the 5.0 image, it provides all I need. I will also do this on my MacMini, because it still hangs when switching to and fro full screen, as described

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini

Hi Stephane, Ben In the Smalltalk world, you could value me as a relatively "simple" application developer as a first attempt after a long time, I am trying to make a dentist's app with Pharo Smalltalk. (The intend is to use Smalltalk (Pharo) with Seaside and Postgress whenever possible,

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini

l+s1294792n4963983...@n4.nabble.com >> <mailto:ml+s1294792n4963983...@n4.nabble.com>> wrote: >> >> What happens if you untick "Use FreeType" in System > Settings? >> >> cheers -ben >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 10:06 PM, TedVanGa

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini

Hi John, … thanks. another wild, wild guess: it could then perhaps be, (if Pharo uses Open GL) that my graphics card has Open GL incompatibility? or that Pharo 6.1 uses Open GL calls not implemented on an Intel HD Graphics 4000 chip as in my mac mini? kind regards TedvG > On 25. Aug 2017,

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini

Aug 2017, at 06:07, Ben Coman [via Smalltalk] > <ml+s1294792n4963983...@n4.nabble.com> wrote: > > What happens if you untick "Use FreeType" in System > Settings? > > cheers -ben > > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 10:06 PM, TedVanGaalen <[hidden email] >

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini

till freezing? > > Esteban > >> On 24 Aug 2017, at 15:28, TedVanGaalen <[hidden email] >> > wrote: >> >> Hi Esteban, >> unfortunately that doesn’t make any difference. >> What I did: >> extension temporarily renamed to ….

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini

> it may have something to do with FreeType. > Can you try removing/renaming > Pharo.app/Contents/MacOS/Plugins/libFT2Plugin.dylib ? > > (just to test) > > thanks, > Esteban > > > > On 24 Aug 2017, at 14:00, TedVanGaalen <[hidden email] > > &

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini

Yesterday 23 Aug, I completely deleted all Pharo 6.1 64 bit and then downloaded and reinstalled it, but the same problems are still present. Then I installed Squeak5.1-16549-64bit, which works without problems. (I don't know if it uses the same VM as Pharo 6.1 64 bit?, if that is true, then the

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini

ok, thanks, is there a difference in the 32 and 64 bit vm behaviour? it seemed to me they both had this error, but I am a byte confused now. Anyway, for the time being it is not a problem to continue with Pharo 5.0. TedvG > On 16. Aug 2017, at 18:25, EstebanLM [via Smalltalk] >

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini

Aha! similar here! Didn't do that before: resizing after freezing. So almost sure it has to do with resizing only? 1: after maximizing to full screen parts are not redrawn but still can drag windows around: 2: then after coming back

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini

here's a screenshot. notice the white band in the content area after maximizing the window. It freezed, can't move the inner windows anymore and ctrl '.' user interrupt doesn't work and have to force quit Pharo. No idea what happens but Pharo 5.0 runs as stable as ever. Kind Regards TedvG

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini

The screen is a Samsung U28D590 3840 x 2160 @ 30Hz (max reso on intel 4000 graphics) via a Thunderbolt->DisplayPort cable. Initially not directly supported, that is, the resolution was not recognized by the OS as-is, but has been enabled with the SwitchResx app here http://www.madrau.com/ which

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini

Well, I am in Speyer, Germany, probably too far away, Although not really good in low level debugging nevertheless, if I can help in some way, please let me know! Does it run OK then on other 4/5K screen macs? TedvG www.speyer.de -- View this message in context:

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini

.. hard to imagine I am the only one with this problem? -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-6-0-and-6-1-64-bit-freeze-on-MacMini-tp4957969p4960027.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini

thanks for you reply, Esteban well, I can still use Pharo 5 in the mean time, no problem. how/where should I forward this to vm-dev? Regards, have a nice holiday! Ted -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-6-0-and-6-1-64-bit-freeze-on-MacMini-tp4957969p4960023.html

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini

since 1.8.2017 there was no response, did already anyone thought/worked to solve this problem? Thank you, Ted TedVanGaalen wrote > Very very wild guess: it could have to do with GPU<-> Open GL? <-> Pharo > call time out issues because the Intel HD 4000 GPU is working at its >

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini

Very very wild guess: it could have to do with GPU<-> Open GL? <-> Pharo call time out issues because the Intel HD 4000 GPU is working at its (officially allowed) upper performance limits with 3840 x 2160 at 30 Hz refresh rate (maximum). OTOH however: 1. I am not a GPU Guru.. 2. It works

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini

Hi, I have now tried to run Pharo 6.1 32 bit with setting the screen resolution in macOS System Preferences to the following what they call "scaled resolutions" (read "non-native resolutions"), which are less that the native screen resolution: 3200 x 1800 and 1920 x 1080. In these resolutions

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini

- Do you have an exception? a PharoDebug.log file? a crash.dmp? I didn't found neither of this files on my system. TedvG -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-6-0-and-6-1-64-bit-freeze-on-MacMini-tp4957969p4958167.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini

OS = macOS Sierra Version 10.12.6 I have encountered the same behaviour for Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit or 32 bit, it doesn't matter. Workflow: Downloaded Pharo6.1-mac.zip and placed the resulting .app file into the normal Applications folder (a hit on the Pharo website recommends this for Sierra)

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini

I've just installed the 32bit version. same problems here. freezes -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-6-0-and-6-1-64-bit-freeze-on-MacMini-tp4957969p4957982.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.