Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

Indeed. It's planned. We definitely need a tour of these tools to be ready for Pharo 4.0. Doru On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 3:32 PM, stepharo wrote: > doru you should write a book chapter with all this material. > > Le 1/12/14 14:15, Tudor Girba a écrit : > > Interesting that you are asking that que

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

doru you should write a book chapter with all this material. Le 1/12/14 14:15, Tudor Girba a écrit : Interesting that you are asking that question. This basically means that the whole philosophy of the GTInspector did not get communicated well. We have to work on this because I think GTInspecto

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

Hi Craig, both issues are/should be solved now, on both Pharo3 and Pharo4. Thierry Le 03/12/2014 09:24, Craig Johnson a écrit : I'm cleaning up a lot of small issues I had with it as I write (mostly refreshing/deselection issues when redefining/renaming classes). I'm done with the pharo3.0 b

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2014-12-03 9:24 GMT+01:00 Craig Johnson : > > I'm cleaning up a lot of small issues I had with it as I write (mostly > refreshing/deselection issues > > when redefining/renaming classes). > > > > I'm done with the pharo3.0 branch on github; I'm now merging those into > the pharo4.0 branch with git

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

> I'm cleaning up a lot of small issues I had with it as I write (mostly > refreshing/deselection issues > when redefining/renaming classes). > > I'm done with the pharo3.0 branch on github; I'm now merging those into the > pharo4.0 branch with git > (i.e. merging with git on the command line w

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Are you running your web service on a Linux box? If so mail me privately to hila...@drgeo.eu Hilaire Le 01/12/2014 23:07, Tudor Girba a écrit : > Indeed. > > Can anyone help me with doing this? > > Doru > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Hilaire > > wrote: > > L

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

Thanks for the kind words, Kilon. Please feel free to ask questions. Cheers, Doru On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 11:29 AM, kilon alios wrote: > "In my image, I have 144 such extensions taking on average 9 lines of > code." > > Impressive then apparently GT tools goes exactly the direction I wanted.

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"In my image, I have 144 such extensions taking on average 9 lines of code." Impressive then apparently GT tools goes exactly the direction I wanted. I was aware of Glamour but to be frank I have not seen anyone else use it but you guys so I was kinda sceptical about it and did not took it very se

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> On 01 Dec 2014, at 23:06, Tudor Girba wrote: > > Glamour is an engine by itself, but for the inspector you mainly need the > presentations, which are essentially widgets that can be parameterized > through blocks. A custom presentation like this typically requires one > method. If you want

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

Indeed. Can anyone help me with doing this? Doru On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Hilaire wrote: > Le 01/12/2014 15:09, Tudor Girba a écrit : > > > > Sorry for the trouble. I will try to migrate my websites to a more > > stable technology :(. > > > > Not perfect, but you can set a cron to resta

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

Hi Kilon, Indeed, I was not explicit about the API. As Thierry said, the API is Glamour. Glamour is described in two book chapters: - http://www.themoosebook.org/book/internals/glamour/ - Glamour chapter in Deep Into Pharo More examples on how to use Glamour can be found directly in code. For ex

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Le 01/12/2014 15:09, Tudor Girba a écrit : > > Sorry for the trouble. I will try to migrate my websites to a more > stable technology :(. > Not perfect, but you can set a cron to restart it daily. Hilaire -- Dr. Geo - http://drgeo.eu iStoa - http://istoa.drgeo.eu

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"But I don't understand it that well either, I just look at examples: find another inspector pane that looks or acts the way you want and go from there." I think its reasonable to assume that if someone does not find documentation will at least try to find examples. But example dont tell the full

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

But I don't understand it that well either, I just look at examples: find another inspector pane that looks or acts the way you want and go from there. > On 01 Dec 2014, at 16:17, Thierry Goubier wrote: > > And, yes, as explained in Doru's blog, it looks very simple. In practice, you > need a

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

2014-12-01 16:10 GMT+01:00 Sven Van Caekenberghe : > Use the Finder tool and search for all gtInspectorPresentationOrder > pragma's: > > > These are the actual custom inspectors. > I think what this means is that the true API of GTInspector is the Glamour API. And, yes, as explained in Doru's bl

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Use the Finder tool and search for all gtInspectorPresentationOrder pragma's: These are the actual custom inspectors. Use the source, Luke ! > On 01 Dec 2014, at 16:00, kilon alios wrote: > > "So, here is the main page:" > > thanks for links really impressive what you trying to do with GT t

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

"So, here is the main page:" thanks for links really impressive what you trying to do with GT tools, but I still cannot find documentation about the API of extending GT-Inspector following your link here http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/managing-gtinspector-extensions/ GTInspector class>>gt

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Indeed, this is a terrible problem. I did not manage to find out what the problem is unfortunately. It seems to be some memory leak of pier or something like that. I refreshed the server and it works now. Sorry for the trouble. I will try to migrate my websites to a more stable technology :(. Ch

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Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

Interesting that you are asking that question. This basically means that the whole philosophy of the GTInspector did not get communicated well. We have to work on this because I think GTInspector is the most significant step in object inspection since the introduction of the original inspector. So

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

"Take the inspector for example. It is a tiny piece of code that can be extended in many ways and in doing so, it can support various workflows." What is its API and where is documented ?

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

Hi, This is precisely the direction that the IDE of Pharo is taking. Take the inspector for example. It is a tiny piece of code that can be extended in many ways and in doing so, it can support various workflows. The same is actually available already for the debugger (GTDebugger) although this

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

"A Moldable system browser? The old system browser is dynamic, in a way: class / hierarchy / full. Changes based on what was your focus. The message list as well, the finder UI as well. But... complex, not that convincing." yes exactly . Why bother making a system browser that can do tons of thin

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

> On 01 Dec 2014, at 10:50, Thierry Goubier wrote: > > Remember, AltBrowser is clearly the best, so I won't provide a way back to > the old ways :):):) That's the spirit !

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

2014-12-01 10:32 GMT+01:00 Marcus Denker : > > On 01 Dec 2014, at 10:26, Thierry Goubier > wrote: > > > > 2014-12-01 10:19 GMT+01:00 Marcus Denker : > >> >> The mechanism is very simple... if you remove a tool and then use it, there >> will be a DNU. >> (it should open instead window and tell tha

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

> On 01 Dec 2014, at 10:26, Thierry Goubier wrote: > > > > 2014-12-01 10:19 GMT+01:00 Marcus Denker >: > > The mechanism is very simple… if you remove a tool and then use it, there > will be a DNU. > (it should open instead window and tell that no tool is inst

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

2014-12-01 10:19 GMT+01:00 Marcus Denker : > > The mechanism is very simple... if you remove a tool and then use it, there > will be a DNU. > (it should open instead window and tell that no tool is installed) > In fact, it's worse: it DNUs even if you still have some tools installed, just because

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

> On 01 Dec 2014, at 10:17, Thierry Goubier wrote: > > > > 2014-12-01 9:52 GMT+01:00 Marcus Denker >: > >> On 29 Nov 2014, at 11:39, kilon alios > > wrote: >> >> >> "- I wonder how to get back to Nautilus. It would be nice to be

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

2014-12-01 9:52 GMT+01:00 Marcus Denker : > > On 29 Nov 2014, at 11:39, kilon alios wrote: > > > "- I wonder how to get back to Nautilus. It would be nice to be able to > use both." > > > In general we should enhance the ToolRegistry to not just register one > tool, but instead keep all and have

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> On 29 Nov 2014, at 11:39, kilon alios wrote: > > > "- I wonder how to get back to Nautilus. It would be nice to be able to use > both." > In general we should enhance the ToolRegistry to not just register one tool, but instead keep all and have a UI in the settings where people can the ch

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

Le 29/11/2014 16:28, p...@highoctane.be a écrit : Doc at the bottom of the right pane would be nice. Done for the pharo3 version, along with the ability to properly unregister AltBrowser from the settings (AltBrowser->make default browser). There is now a menu command toggling the comment pa

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

Le 29/11/2014 11:39, kilon alios a écrit : "- I wonder how to get back to Nautilus. It would be nice to be able to use both." thats an annoyance for me too, I would like to be given the option to choose what browser I want to use depending on the situation. Doing that is just triggering a nic

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

Doc at the bottom of the right pane would be nice. Phil Le 29 nov. 2014 11:43, "Thierry Goubier" a écrit : > Le 29/11/2014 11:29, p...@highoctane.be a écrit : > >> I have been using AltBrowser for a test. >> >> Some feedback >> >> - I like to see doc with my code so having to click back and fort

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

Merci Le 29/11/14 10:06, Hilaire a écrit : https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/filters/?fClosedBugs=true&ixPersonOpenedBy=194&sColumns=Category-Favorite-Case-TitleComment-Status-Priority-LastUpdated&sSearchFor=nautilus&sView=grid-flat Le 29/11/2014 08:53, stepharo a écrit : where? Le 28/11/14 21:30,

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

Le 29/11/2014 11:29, p...@highoctane.be a écrit : I have been using AltBrowser for a test. Some feedback - I like to see doc with my code so having to click back and forth is annoying and not conductive to writing class comments. Good point. I wondered about having multiple text panes on the

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"- I wonder how to get back to Nautilus. It would be nice to be able to use both." thats an annoyance for me too, I would like to be given the option to choose what browser I want to use depending on the situation. Also your comment on the comments is a valid one, I think we need a more dynamic b

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

I have been using AltBrowser for a test. Some feedback - I like to see doc with my code so having to click back and forth is annoying and not conductive to writing class comments. - I got a couple freezes - I wonder how to get back to Nautilus. It would be nice to be able to use both. Phil Le

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

Le 29/11/2014 10:06, Hilaire a écrit : https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/filters/?fClosedBugs=true&ixPersonOpenedBy=194&sColumns=Category-Favorite-Case-TitleComment-Status-Priority-LastUpdated&sSearchFor=nautilus&sView=grid-flat Is that just me or is your filter/link not working? Don't hesitate to v

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/filters/?fClosedBugs=true&ixPersonOpenedBy=194&sColumns=Category-Favorite-Case-TitleComment-Status-Priority-LastUpdated&sSearchFor=nautilus&sView=grid-flat Le 29/11/2014 08:53, stepharo a écrit : > where? > > Le 28/11/14 21:30, Hilaire a écrit : >> Le 28/11/2014 08:07,

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

where? Le 28/11/14 21:30, Hilaire a écrit : Le 28/11/2014 08:07, Marcus Denker a écrit : It is unstable with me. It is really feature complete, it is nice, but I may use wrongly. May be with a simpler one I will do less mistake. If nobody reports and fixes problems, they will stay forever.

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Le 28/11/2014 08:07, Marcus Denker a écrit : >> It is unstable with me. It is really feature complete, it is nice, but I >> > may use wrongly. >> > May be with a simpler one I will do less mistake. >> > > If nobody reports and fixes problems, they will stay forever. Reported, they are. Hilaire

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

> On 27 Nov 2014, at 22:25, Hilaire wrote: > > Le 27/11/2014 08:03, stepharo a écrit : >> >> Le 26/11/14 21:30, Hilaire a écrit : >>> Hello, >>> >>> Do we have an installable browser for Pharo, simple but reliable as was >>> Browser? >> What is the problem that you have with the current one? >

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Le 27/11/2014 22:22, Hilaire a écrit : Le 26/11/2014 22:18, Thierry Goubier a écrit : Then Stéphane has a simple one, for minimal Pharo. I have one, AltBrowser, which is not so minimal (size-wise, it's a bit larger than the old system browser). It's installable (look for ConfigurationOfAltBrows

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

Le 27/11/2014 08:03, stepharo a écrit : > > Le 26/11/14 21:30, Hilaire a écrit : >> Hello, >> >> Do we have an installable browser for Pharo, simple but reliable as was >> Browser? > What is the problem that you have with the current one? It is unstable with me. It is really feature complete, it

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Le 26/11/2014 22:18, Thierry Goubier a écrit : > Then Stéphane has a simple one, for minimal Pharo. > > I have one, AltBrowser, which is not so minimal (size-wise, it's a bit > larger than the old system browser). It's installable (look for > ConfigurationOfAltBrowser) and reliable enough for my c

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..@hivemind.net] >> Sent: 27 November 2014 10:11 AM >> To: 'Any question about pharo is welcome' >> Subject: RE: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser >> >> Hi Sven, >> >> My VM is Cog VM 4.0.0 (release) >> >> Craig >> >> -Original

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t; > -Original Message- > From: Craig [mailto:cr...@hivemind.net] > Sent: 27 November 2014 10:11 AM > To: 'Any question about pharo is welcome' > Subject: RE: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser > > Hi Sven, > > My VM is Cog VM 4.0.0 (release) > > Craig &

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Thanks Sven, Never mind. I just installed the September 25 VM and AltBrowser now works just fine :) Craig -Original Message- From: Craig [mailto:cr...@hivemind.net] Sent: 27 November 2014 10:11 AM To: 'Any question about pharo is welcome' Subject: RE: [Pharo-users] Alterna

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aro.org] On Behalf Of > Sven Van Caekenberghe > Sent: 27 November 2014 10:06 AM > To: Any question about pharo is welcome > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser > > You do not have to install anything extra inside the image, Zodiac is a > standard part of Pharo. >

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AltBrowser loads ok in my 3.0 on PharoVM. Phil ​

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Hi Sven, My VM is Cog VM 4.0.0 (release) Craig -Original Message- From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-boun...@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of Sven Van Caekenberghe Sent: 27 November 2014 10:06 AM To: Any question about pharo is welcome Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser You

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queakSSL and still no > plugin. > > Craig > > > > From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-boun...@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of > kilon alios > Sent: 27 November 2014 12:28 AM > To: Any question about pharo is welcome > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser >

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-boun...@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of kilon alios Sent: 27 November 2014 12:28 AM To: Any question about pharo is welcome Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser "Kilon is looking to see if he can build one. I believe he can :)"

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Le 26/11/14 21:30, Hilaire a écrit : Hello, Do we have an installable browser for Pharo, simple but reliable as was Browser? What is the problem that you have with the current one? Stef Hilaire

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"Kilon is looking to see if he can build one. I believe he can :)" I wont be building one from scratch , I like your AltBrowser too much to do that. You basically took the 4 panels of the System Browser and reduced them to 2 panels. My goal will be to reduce them to one panel .For that to happens

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

Le 26/11/2014 21:51, Hilaire a écrit : Le 26/11/2014 21:44, Thierry Goubier a écrit : Do we have an installable browser for Pharo, simple but reliable as was Browser? What is Browser? A system browser? Yes, to browser code Then Stéphane has a simple one, for minimal Pharo. I have one, Al

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

Le 26/11/2014 21:44, Thierry Goubier a écrit : >> Do we have an installable browser for Pharo, simple but reliable as was >> Browser? > > What is Browser? A system browser? Yes, to browser code -- Dr. Geo - http://drgeo.eu iStoa - http://istoa.drgeo.eu

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Le 26/11/2014 21:30, Hilaire a écrit : Hello, Do we have an installable browser for Pharo, simple but reliable as was Browser? What is Browser? A system browser? Thierry Hilaire

[Pharo-users] Alternate browser

Hello, Do we have an installable browser for Pharo, simple but reliable as was Browser? Hilaire -- Dr. Geo - http://drgeo.eu iStoa - http://istoa.drgeo.eu