Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Thanks for Pharo 8.0! Sorry to revive this thread again and again since version 6, but the full screen freeze problem on Mac still persists. Did a clean install today of Pharo 8.0 as follows: Remove all Pharo, apps, images, launcher from before < Pharo 8.0 (saved my stuff in .st files before

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Sorry for the later response. yes here too: resizing didn't cause problems. Drastic work around :o) : I have now installed Pharo 7.0 on my other Windows 10 PC, Using the Pharo Launcher. ** Everything works ok, on my windows machine. installed Seaside, my own app dev from .st fileins. etc. Great!

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

The error is quite specific, you have to click on the maximise green button on a Mac and go full screen - if you just resize or alt-click that button you don’t seem to get this problem (at least I haven’t been able to - but Ted hasn’t confirmed this yet). So I don’t think its quite so bad - and

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Hmmm, this is worrisome. My JRMPC competition opens for registration in less than a month, and registrants may use either Windows or Mac. Since the competition is based on Pharo 7, it is absolutely crucial that Mac-using registrants be able to successfully run Pharo 7. Since my Mac mini died last

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Hi Tim, I did that before (see thread history) and other kinds of magic too. Probably (still) a VM error? (because it happens with squeak also, which uses same VM?) However, it is beyond my skills and knowledge No idea how to solve this. The problem has been around for much too long It

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Out of curiosity - instead of going true “full screen” (I’m assuming you are clicking the green + button), try doing alt+click green button (which just resizes the window full screen), and then try your steps - does that make a difference? I believe there is a full screen issue covered here

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

To All (this thread becomes a bit long) Ca. 4 months later: Today 2 Aug 2019 I did this: -downloaded and run Pharo Launcher. -In the launcher, downloaded and started the fresh Pharo 7.0 64 image Pharo then starts up with this image (but did it also launch with the most recent VM it could

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Thanks, but I will revert to Pharo 5.0 (pre spur VM) again... until the problems with 7.x are solved... or 8 is really stable. I was regularly telling colleagues with whom I converse on Twitter (e.g. Swift, C# and other programmers) that they should try Smalltalk, especially Pharo, to see for

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

On Tue, 30 Apr 2019 at 17:44, Stephan Eggermont wrote: > > TedVanGaalen wrote: > > Crying victory too soon: > > Alas, it happened again pharo screen frozen, > > partly drawn, when going to full screen > > ( see image.) > > frustrating. > > The strange thing however: > > the Seaside/Zinc server

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

TedVanGaalen wrote: > Crying victory too soon: > Alas, it happened again pharo screen frozen, > partly drawn, when going to full screen > ( see image.) > frustrating. > The strange thing however: > the Seaside/Zinc server > kept running that is: I could enter and save data in > in my test

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Crying victory too soon: Alas, it happened again pharo screen frozen, partly drawn, when going to full screen ( see image.) frustrating. The strange thing however: the Seaside/Zinc server kept running that is: I could enter and save data in in my test app running in the web browser! No idea

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

FYI FWIWfurther testing: Running 7.03 with the 20181039 VM -loaded Seaside 3.3 from Git -filed in my test web app + utils everything working OK without any changes! Thanks TedvG -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Forgot to mention : Tests were run with newest 7.03 image, also downloaded today. -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Hi Stephan Yes, tested this briefly: I confirm that 20181039 works, 201810230536 is broken The broken version freezes as soon as selecting full screen from the menu it freezes also when resizing or moving the window. (after force quitting it and restarting. The 20181039 on first

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Ben Coman wrote: > On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 at 17:33, Stephan Eggermont > wrote: >> >> TedVanGaalen wrote: >>> Hi Stephan >>> yes, you wrote that already before, but >>> which specific VM from files.pharo.org? there are many. >>> TedvG >> >> Please compare if you have the same results I had as I

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 at 17:33, Stephan Eggermont wrote: > > TedVanGaalen wrote: > > Hi Stephan > > yes, you wrote that already before, but > > which specific VM from files.pharo.org? there are many. > > TedvG > > Please compare if you have the same results I had as I described in the > issue >

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

TedVanGaalen wrote: > Hi Stephan > yes, you wrote that already before, but > which specific VM from files.pharo.org? there are many. > TedvG Please compare if you have the same results I had as I described in the issue 20181039 works, 201810230536 is broken

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Hi Stephan yes, you wrote that already before, but which specific VM from files.pharo.org? there are many. TedvG -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

TedVanGaalen wrote: > Hi Stephan > I am a bit confused, not really at home in your VM world, > so please send me a link for the VM + an Image that you'd like me to try on > my mac. > Thanks > Ted > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html > > >

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Hi Stephan, Pending: (Which VM?) If you still think trying a VM with Pharo 7 on my Mac is important for you to conquer the bug in the VM, then please tell me which VM I should try out on my Mac. Regards TedvG -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Hi Stephan I am a bit confused, not really at home in your VM world, so please send me a link for the VM + an Image that you'd like me to try on my mac. Thanks Ted -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

TedVanGaalen wrote: > ok, I'll try > please give me a link to that VM 20182039 > can't find it here: > https://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo-spur64/ Sorry, that’s a typo. See the issue

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

ok, I'll try please give me a link to that VM 20182039 can't find it here: https://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo-spur64/mac/ TedvG -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

TedVanGaalen wrote: > Thanks for the Info/Link, Stephan > > So it is a VM error then? > That is what I asked you to verify. Does the problem occur with 20182039? If not, then it is probably the same bug. Stephsn

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Thanks for the Info/Link, Stephan So it is a VM error then? Guess we'll have to wait for a VM + Pharo 7.xx combo that works correctly on macOS. I now re-installed Pharo 5.0 (pre spur vm) loaded Seaside with Zincserver (using gofer) into it and my .st files from 2011... might be a bit slower

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

TedVanGaalen wrote: > Sure. Which one? and with what image? See https://github.com/OpenSmalltalk/opensmalltalk-vm/issues/380 Stephan

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Did just try with scaled resolution 1920 * 1080 (on my 4K screen) to no avail. same error:freeze with "toggle full screen" -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Hope stack tells more. Could dig out an old hdmi HD monitor from unpacked moving cartons somewhere, tell me you don't need me to do so :o\ -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

from the other terminal window: teds-personal-mac-mini:~ TedvG$ ps -a | grep pharo 811 ttys0000:00.01 bash ./pharo-ui Pharo.image 815 ttys0000:10.06 /Users/TedvG/pharo-vm/Pharo.app/Contents/MacOS/Pharo Pharo.image 824 ttys0010:00.00 grep pharo teds-personal-mac-mini:~ TedvG$

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

and so i did. result (the omega was a ctrl z to get up. had to open another term. window to kill and dump. see here: = teds-personal-mac-mini:~ TedvG$ ./pharo-ui Pharo.image Ω SIGUSR1 Wed Apr 17 17:45:27 2019 VM:

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Note! Just being playing a bit further with Squeak 5.2 and it freezes too, when resizing the window! Similar things in VM ? Regards TedvG -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Don't know about 4k. Have you tried a smaller monitor on your mini just to see? When pharo locks up from the command line you can get a stack dump in the terminal window you started pharo in. first find the pharo process you're interested in with ps -a | grep pharo then do a kill -SIGUSR1

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Sure. Which one? and with what image? However, don't know if that would make a difference, because I've been trying this repeatedly since Pharo 6.0 Squeak 5.2 (just downloaded and launched just to try) works ok, but for what I do, and previous work/classes made with Pharo 5.0, Pharo/Seaside would

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

TedVanGaalen wrote: > The freeze problem still exist. (since 2017, starting with Pharo 6) Hi Ted. It would be interesting to see if this is related to the fullscreen bug I described in an opensmalltalkvm issue. I was able to triangulate it to a set of commits, so could you try with a vm from

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Hi Sven -launched the original image again. -dragged the Pharo window to almost full screen, (4K) it then gets redrawing problems: - drawing the window contents partly - and in the wrong places and after a short time then freezes again. Exactly the same symptoms as described

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Try option-click on the green window expansion button. This will put the window in almost full screen mode. In my experience, that works much better. > On 17 Apr 2019, at 13:05, TedVanGaalen wrote: > > Hi Paul > thanks for responding. > > what I did now: > - removed all Pharo apps & images

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Hi Paul thanks for responding. what I did now: - removed all Pharo apps & images etc. from my system (no problem, i have all i need backed up in .st and .mcz files) followed your instructions to install the latest VM and Image: terminal log: ===

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

HI Ted, How did you install Pharo? I ask because I tested the process you described and everything worked fine on my mac, also Mojave 10.14.4 I opened a terminal, made a temp directory and pasted in curl https://get.pharo.org/64/ | bash to install Pharo. I started the image with

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

Hello The freeze problem still exist. (since 2017, starting with Pharo 6) 16 April 2019: Today I have loaded Pharo7.0.3-0-64bit-0903ade.image with VM On my Mac Mini late 2012, mac OS Mojave 10.14.4 (OS up to date, system