Re: [Pharo-users] Styling a Pharo UI application

Hi Tommaso, thanks for the explanation! I did not mean to point fingers at you for complaining, I was just trying to figure out what the problem was. So thanks again for sharing. This is indeed not yet possible, and it would be cool to have it working. However there is a workaround since you

Re: [Pharo-users] Styling a Pharo UI application

I was not complaining about Spec, just reporting my experience with the various UI toolkits in Pharo as a relatively newbie to this area of Pharo. Anyway, as I wrote in my first email, I had difficulties with Spec to go beyond building a standard interface, especially in performing text

Re: [Pharo-users] Styling a Pharo UI application

+1 :) Offray On 26/06/16 02:56, stepharo wrote: + 1 Stef Tommaso, can you give some concrete examples of what it is that you wanted to do to refine your application and that was really hard (or impossible) to do with Spec? As long as we do not know what is wrong, we cannot fix it.

Re: [Pharo-users] Styling a Pharo UI application

+ 1 Stef Tommaso, can you give some concrete examples of what it is that you wanted to do to refine your application and that was really hard (or impossible) to do with Spec? As long as we do not know what is wrong, we cannot fix it. As long as we do not know what important things are

Re: [Pharo-users] Styling a Pharo UI application

Tommaso, can you give some concrete examples of what it is that you wanted to do to refine your application and that was really hard (or impossible) to do with Spec? As long as we do not know what is wrong, we cannot fix it. As long as we do not know what important things are wrong, we cannot

Re: [Pharo-users] Styling a Pharo UI application

The problem is that coders don't understand beauty and design. Usually they disregard it partly or completely. You need an artist for a good GUI , there is no way around this. An Artist will brake every rule of a coder, like backward compatibility, KISS, don't reinvent the wheel , DRY etc

Re: [Pharo-users] Styling a Pharo UI application

In the last couple of years I have participated in building quite a few web applications and we always have put a lot of emphasis in the user experience, navigation, in having pretty styled widgets, visual effects, smoth transitions, drag & drop, etc. Sometimes we used some out of the box styling

Re: [Pharo-users] Styling a Pharo UI application

Just a couple of thoughts from the last days coding GUI in Pharo: I don't think that the Spec vs. Morphic vs. Bric has really to do with "ugliness". True, the Glamour team is doing an amazing work with providing an interface that is more pleasing and friendly, but the point for me is not how

Re: [Pharo-users] Styling a Pharo UI application

Forgot to add that I am slowly building my own API that will make it easier for me to create specific custom elements, for example I have created glow buttons (glow when you hover the mouse over it and when activated). On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 7:50 PM Dimitris Chloupis

Re: [Pharo-users] Styling a Pharo UI application

because that is how styling works, you define how the GUI should look instead of opting for a generic look and because if you dont decide for the font size , user is unlikely that will bother with setting and options he probably end up saying "No thanks, next please" Of course that does not

Re: [Pharo-users] Styling a Pharo UI application

Why would anyone think that a developer would/ not /want to be able to change the font size? -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Styling-a-Pharo-UI-application-tp4902498p4903255.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: [Pharo-users] Styling a Pharo UI application

On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 2:12 PM, Johan Fabry wrote: > > > On Jun 24, 2016, at 19:00, Yuriy Tymchuk wrote: > > > […] > > I know that we don’t have designers to inverted something cool, but what > GT teem did is they took Google material design

Re: [Pharo-users] Styling a Pharo UI application

> On Jun 24, 2016, at 19:00, Yuriy Tymchuk wrote: […] > I know that we don’t have designers to inverted something cool, but what GT > teem did is they took Google material design guidelines and implemented > widgets in Pharo, so if I use them it will be pleasant to the

Re: [Pharo-users] Styling a Pharo UI application

Look at spotter. It is not super fancy, but it has all the margins done right, it does not have extra borders and all this little details. If you have seen Brick widgets they have all the nice proportions, they are not over encumbered by details, they have nice animations, they have nice gamma.

Re: [Pharo-users] Styling a Pharo UI application

Hi Uko, just wondering: for you, what makes Spec UI’s ugly? And also, what are the features that are missing that require magic? I don’t understand your example either, sorry :-( -- Does this mail seem too brief? Sorry for that, I don’t mean to be rude! Please see http://emailcharter.org

Re: [Pharo-users] Styling a Pharo UI application

> On 24 Jun 2016, at 16:38, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > > I dont see what Bloc and Bric have to do with sexiness. It has. You see, I can take twitter bootstrap and my webpage will not be ugly. It will not be special, but if I want I can make my own changes. Still, it

Re: [Pharo-users] Styling a Pharo UI application

I dont see what Bloc and Bric have to do with sexiness. The only thing I see is Athens which Morphic already has access to. To be truly custom GUI friendly the API needs to at least offer some GPU acceleration and access to a myriad of graphical effects. I have not seen anything in Bloc and Bric

Re: [Pharo-users] Styling a Pharo UI application

It’s kind of a pity that to make something sexy we still have to use Morphic… Hopefully this will change with Bloc & Bric > On 24 Jun 2016, at 10:25, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > > In my case is just personal preference none the less Spec has ways to wrap > morphs to

Re: [Pharo-users] Styling a Pharo UI application

In my case is just personal preference none the less Spec has ways to wrap morphs to Spec widgets so you should be able to build Spec widgets using Morphic for more flexibility. You dont have to decide to use Spec or Morphic, you can use both. Last time I checked Spec came with examples on how to

Re: [Pharo-users] Styling a Pharo UI application

Personally I don't dislike the Spec approach, but the API still looks not expressive enough for doing things beyond the standard. I am deepening my knowledge of Morphic now, thanks for your answer! Tommaso On 22/06/16 17:11, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: Documentation is always a problem. I

Re: [Pharo-users] Styling a Pharo UI application

For your information Glenn has a complete CSS support for widgets. But this is not yet ready. Stef Le 22/6/16 à 16:43, Tommaso Dal Sasso a écrit : Hello everybody, I have a question about the UI toolkits available for Pharo. I already asked something about this on Slack, but since I saw

Re: [Pharo-users] Styling a Pharo UI application

Documentation is always a problem. I dont use Spec because I dont like it , but I use Morphic for my project ChronosManager. I do some "styling" for example use different fonts for different labels , different sizes , I format strings to time stamps and even offer easy ways for user to change

[Pharo-users] Styling a Pharo UI application

Hello everybody, I have a question about the UI toolkits available for Pharo. I already asked something about this on Slack, but since I saw that there was a recent discussion about UI in the mailing list, I think this is a better place to discuss the matter. I am writing an application for