RE: [PHP-DEV] roadmap of PHP - where? PHP 5 - when?

2003-01-23 Thread John Coggeshall
I am working on some reader-friendly docs to answer this question, but for now you can read the ZEND_CHANGES file in the PHP CVS John -Original Message- From: Piotr Sobolewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 5:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PHP-DEV]

RE: [PHP-DEV] roadmap of PHP - where? PHP 5 - when?

2003-01-23 Thread John Coggeshall
Sobolewski Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] roadmap of PHP - where? PHP 5 - when? I would like to know in advance when PHP 5 will be released. So would we. We have no idea. Sometime in the next 4-18 months. How's that? Can I find a sort of roadmap somewhere? We are well past

RE: [PHP-DEV] roadmap of PHP - where? PHP 5 - when?

2003-01-23 Thread Zeev Suraski
Rasmus, The whole point of the list was to avoid threads like this letter is going to spawn. Let's stop it here, please. John - if you feel you belong in php5-dev(*) and want to actively participate in the discussions, we'll add you. The point of php5-dev was to create a working group for

Re: [PHP-DEV] roadmap of PHP - where? PHP 5 - when?

2003-01-23 Thread Dan Kalowsky
Then discontinue it. End of discussion. This is an open source project, and I see little to no-advantage to it's use outside of creating a rather vile aftertaste in the mouths of those developers who are not invited. I've heard the arguments for the list, and I can only say they are valid

Re: [PHP-DEV] roadmap of PHP - where? PHP 5 - when?

2003-01-23 Thread Zeev Suraski
Ok, I can't be bothered to fight a mailing list that was supposed to trim down endless discussions. I'm not the one that asked for the list, but I definitely supported it, as unlike most of the members on this list, I remember the pre-v4 days, and what kind of mountains we had to push in order

RE: [PHP-DEV] roadmap of PHP - where? PHP 5 - when?

2003-01-23 Thread James Cox
-Original Message- From: Dan Kalowsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] I've heard the arguments for the list, and I can only say they are valid reasons. But you're now making PHP a political project rather than a software project. Thanks. This is the sort of thing I don't want to have

Re: [PHP-DEV] roadmap of PHP - where? PHP 5 - when?

2003-01-23 Thread Maxim Maletsky
I tend to agree about the fact that in Open Source people often spend more time on politics rather than developing. Imagine a company office where the programmers get paid per hour while spending tons of time at the round table of a meeting room throwing into each other what they like better and

Re: [PHP-DEV] roadmap of PHP - where? PHP 5 - when?

2003-01-23 Thread Brian Moon
| Imagine a company office where the programmers get paid per hour while | spending tons of time at the round table of a meeting room throwing into | each other what they like better and why. In open source this happens a | lot. hey, who let you in to the dealnews dev room? Brian. dealnews.com

Re: [PHP-DEV] roadmap of PHP - where? PHP 5 - when?

2003-01-23 Thread Maxim Maletsky
this email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Maxim Maletsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brian Moon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote... : | Imagine a company office where the programmers get paid per hour while | spending tons of time at the round table of a meeting room throwing into | each other what they like better

Re: [PHP-DEV] roadmap of PHP - where? PHP 5 - when?

2003-01-23 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Zeev Suraski wrote: Ok, I can't be bothered to fight a mailing list that was supposed to trim down endless discussions. I'm not the one that asked for the list, but I definitely supported it, as unlike most of the members on this list, I remember the pre-v4 days, and

RE: [PHP-DEV] roadmap of PHP - where? PHP 5 - when?

2003-01-23 Thread Mike Robinson
Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: Perception and warm fuzzies is an extremely important part of a large open source project that relies heavily on a large number of volunteers. Messing with that is playing with fire. You've hit it bang on. [noise] The clinical name for the 'fire' in this case is cycle

Re: [PHP-DEV] roadmap of PHP - where? PHP 5 - when?

2003-01-23 Thread Zeev Suraski
At 00:08 24/01/2003, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: You should have learned this by now. Perception and warm fuzzies is an extremely important part of a large open source project that relies heavily on a large number of volunteers. Messing with that is playing with fire. I believe we can get work done