Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks

2009-03-09 Thread Virgilio Quilario
writing this, I'll say that overhead/bloat vs. productivity of the > developer is a trade-off you're going to have to make for ANY of the > frameworks out there. > hi, all php frameworks have overheads which you don't have to worry about. those overhead codes are ther

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks

2009-03-09 Thread Jason Norwood-Young
haliphax wrote: Perhaps I should have phrased it a bit more concise: This has been discussed many times--often, and RECENTLY. Anyway, since I'm already writing this, I'll say that overhead/bloat vs. productivity of the developer is a trade-off you're going to have to make for ANY of the framework

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks

2009-03-09 Thread haliphax
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Jason Norwood-Young wrote: > haliphax wrote: >> >> Perhaps I should have phrased it a bit more concise: This has been >> discussed many times--often, and RECENTLY. Anyway, since I'm already >> writing this, I'll say that overhead/bloat vs. productivity of the >> dev

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks

2009-03-09 Thread Nathan Rixham
Jason Norwood-Young wrote: haliphax wrote: Perhaps I should have phrased it a bit more concise: This has been discussed many times--often, and RECENTLY. Anyway, since I'm already writing this, I'll say that overhead/bloat vs. productivity of the developer is a trade-off you're going to have to m

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks

2009-03-09 Thread Jason Norwood-Young
haliphax wrote: On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Jason Norwood-Young wrote: haliphax wrote: Perhaps I should have phrased it a bit more concise: This has been discussed many times--often, and RECENTLY. Anyway, since I'm already writing this, I'll say that overhead/bloat vs. productivity

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks

2009-03-09 Thread Nathan Rixham
Jason Norwood-Young wrote: haliphax wrote: On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Jason Norwood-Young wrote: haliphax wrote: Perhaps I should have phrased it a bit more concise: This has been discussed many times--often, and RECENTLY. Anyway, since I'm already writing this, I'll say that overh

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks

2009-03-09 Thread haliphax
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Nathan Rixham wrote: > haliphax wrote: >> >> Framework = Overhead (when compared to vanilla PHP). Period. I'm not > > by vanilla do you mean vanilla from lussimo? [http://getvanilla.com/] ? You know damn well I didn't. :) -- // Todd -- PHP General Mailing List

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks

2009-03-09 Thread Nathan Rixham
haliphax wrote: On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Nathan Rixham wrote: haliphax wrote: Framework = Overhead (when compared to vanilla PHP). Period. I'm not by vanilla do you mean vanilla from lussimo? [http://getvanilla.com/] ? You know damn well I didn't. :) I'd love to lol - but really n

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-01 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, Gabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for > application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, > but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively developed, > secure, etc etc.

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-01 Thread Paul Scott
On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 12:35 -0400, Gabe wrote: > What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for > application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, > but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively developed, > secure, etc etc. > OK, from m

RE: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-01 Thread Kilbride, James P.
- > From: Gabe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 12:36 PM > To: php-general@lists.php.net > Subject: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion > > What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to > use for application development? There seems t

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-01 Thread Satyam
There is no 'common consensus' but I am sure you'll be getting lots and lots, I would even say LOTS, of sugestions. Satyam - Original Message - From: "Gabe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:35 PM Subject: [PHP] PHP Framework

[PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-01 Thread Colin Guthrie
Satyam wrote: There is no 'common consensus' but I am sure you'll be getting lots and lots, I would even say LOTS, of sugestions. I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the Zend Framework yet. I'm looking to do a bit of a rewrite of a large PHP application in the near future and would like t

[PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-01 Thread tedd
At 10:46 PM +0100 8/1/06, Colin Guthrie wrote: I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the Zend Framework yet. I'm looking to do a bit of a rewrite of a large PHP application in the near future and would like to think Zend would be a good horse to back, but the fact no-one here has mentioned it

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-01 Thread Michael B Allen
On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:44:28 +0200 "Satyam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There is no 'common consensus' but I am sure you'll be getting lots and > lots, I would even say LOTS, of sugestions. I would be very skeptical of any "suggestions" because only someone who tried multiple frameworks would b

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-01 Thread Steve Turnbull
On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 12:35 -0400, Gabe wrote: > What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for > application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, > but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively developed, > secure, etc etc. > > Thoughts?

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-01 Thread Adam Zey
Steve Turnbull wrote: On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 12:35 -0400, Gabe wrote: What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively developed, secure, etc etc.

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-01 Thread Robert Cummings
On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 23:40 +0100, Steve Turnbull wrote: > On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 12:35 -0400, Gabe wrote: > > What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for > > application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, > > but I'm not sure which one's are the mos

[PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-01 Thread Colin Guthrie
Robert Cummings wrote: On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 18:17 -0400, tedd wrote: At 10:46 PM +0100 8/1/06, Colin Guthrie wrote: I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the Zend Framework yet. snip. I own Zend Professional, but don't use it (not good or bad). snip. An IDE is not a framework. it's an

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-01 Thread rich gray
Robert Cummings wrote: [chop] An IDE is not a framework, it's an IDE :) Cheers, Rob. I think Rob is being unduly modest - correct me if I am wrong but he is the core developer of the InterJinn php framework -> http://interjinn.com - it's been out there for a while now (read: robust, fully

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-01 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 04:15 +0200, rich gray wrote: > Robert Cummings wrote: > > [chop] > > An IDE is not a framework, it's an IDE :) > > > > Cheers, > > Rob. > > > I think Rob is being unduly modest - correct me if I am wrong but he is > the core developer of the InterJinn php framework -> >

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Hidayet Dogan
What about CakePHP and Code Igniter? I know working with Code Igniter easier than CakePHP, but CakePHP is more capable than Code Igniter. On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Robert Cummings wrote: On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 04:15 +0200, rich gray wrote: Robert Cummings wrote: [chop] An IDE is not a framework,

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Andries Seutens
Hidayet Dogan schreef: What about CakePHP and Code Igniter? I know working with Code Igniter easier than CakePHP, but CakePHP is more capable than Code Igniter. Hi, Lately frameworks have become a real *hype*. Currently, there are more than 40 frameworks out there, and new ones are being re

[PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Tony Marston
"Gabe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for > application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, > but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively developed, > secure, et

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Paul Scott
--=neXtPaRt_1154507404 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Personally, I think that the community at the Zend Framework is doing a > pretty good job. Everything is coded very well, with a lot of > possibilities to extend things to your personal needs (if nessecary).

[PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread karthikeyan balasubramanian
Tony Marston wrote: "Gabe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively developed,

[PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Gabe
Gabe wrote: What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively developed, secure, etc etc. Thoughts? Sounds like it's just personal preference.

[PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Manuel Lemos
Hello, on 08/01/2006 01:35 PM Gabe said the following: > What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for > application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, > but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively developed, > secure, etc etc. > > Thou

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Jonathan Duncan
On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Gabe wrote: What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively developed, secure, etc etc. Thoughts? I echo others in th

[PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Jens Kleikamp
Matt Todd wrote: In my experience with the other frameworks (primarily Wasp, CakePHP, Symfony, eZ Components, and Zend Framework), I've found that I was not satisfied with the quantity of low-quality code they advocate. I have a high standard for code quality, readability, maintainability, and (m

Re: [PHP] Recommended PHP frameworks

2006-04-27 Thread Martin Alterisio
2006/4/27, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > A funny PHPClasses article... > > > http://www.phpclasses.org/blog/post/52-Recommended-PHP-frameworks.html One thing I understood after hitting my head many times to a wall is that "a good idea can be, and should be, explained in just three line

Re: [PHP] Recommended PHP frameworks

2006-04-27 Thread Jochem Maas
Robert Cummings wrote: A funny PHPClasses article... http://www.phpclasses.org/blog/post/52-Recommended-PHP-frameworks.html I find it telling that the guy who runs the PHP Classes site only uses his own code *lol*. Oh btw, the article says virtually nothing useful about frameworks, but it

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks

2005-12-27 Thread Paul Scott
On Tue, 2005-12-27 at 17:49 +0100, Petr Smith wrote: > > > > Can anyone point me to a good php MVC framework? > What about http://www.symfony-project.com/ ?? Anyone using it? > There is also a relatively new application framework, out of Africa, called KINKY. http://avoir.uwc.ac.za/projects/nex

[PHP] Need suggestions on PHP frameworks

2009-11-12 Thread Dhanushka Samarakoon
Hi, I need to select a PHP framework for a small project about 20-25 pages (but expected to grow in the future). I was looking at the comparison chart at http://www.phpframeworks.com/. After browsing through some forums seems like CodeIgniter is the popular option. *** But I really like event dri

Re: [PHP] OO oriented PHP frameworks

2011-01-06 Thread David Harkness
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Jerome Covington wrote: > I was specifically curious if there are frameworks which use the convention > of passing config objects to functions/methods in the same way that > contemporary JS libraries like jQuery do. We use Zend Framework along with its MVC frame

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-01 Thread Robert Cummings
On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 18:17 -0400, tedd wrote: > At 10:46 PM +0100 8/1/06, Colin Guthrie wrote: > >I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the Zend Framework yet. > > > >I'm looking to do a bit of a rewrite of a large PHP application in > >the near future and would like to think Zend would be a goo

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-01 Thread Ligaya Turmelle
Colin Guthrie wrote: Satyam wrote: There is no 'common consensus' but I am sure you'll be getting lots and lots, I would even say LOTS, of sugestions. I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the Zend Framework yet. I'm looking to do a bit of a rewrite of a large PHP application in the near

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Jochem Maas
karthikeyan balasubramanian wrote: > Tony Marston wrote: >> "Gabe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for >>> application development? There seems to be a number of them out >>> there, but I'm not sure w

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Stut
Jochem Maas wrote: Stut wrote: Jochem Maas wrote: I'll have it ready for you next week, what kind of license do you want? One license to kill to go please. 006.5 your lic is in the post. and while I'm at it can I port an obscure OS to the hardware of your choice during

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Stut
Jochem Maas wrote: I'll have it ready for you next week, what kind of license do you want? One license to kill to go please. -Stut -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Jochem Maas
Stut wrote: > Jochem Maas wrote: >> I'll have it ready for you next week, what kind of license do you want? >> > > One license to kill to go please. 006.5 your lic is in the post. and while I'm at it can I port an obscure OS to the hardware of your choice during my lunch break? > > -Stut --

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 15:51 +0300, karthikeyan balasubramanian wrote: > > Speaking about framework. Anybody is aware there is a very popular > framework in Java called Spring which has pretty cool features like > "Inversion of Control", "Dependency Injection" etc. Sounds similar to the service sy

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 10:50 -0400, Gabe wrote: > Gabe wrote: > > What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for > > application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, > > but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively developed, > > secure, et

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Paul Scott
> Too bad there isn't a skeleton sort-of system that you essentially then > just plug in the modules that you want/need to "flesh" it out. Then > you'd have your own customized framework for each app that is developed > and keeps *all* of the modules relevant to that app. Nothing extra > wou

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 18:08 +0200, Jochem Maas wrote: > Robert Cummings wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 15:51 +0300, karthikeyan balasubramanian wrote: > >> Speaking about framework. Anybody is aware there is a very popular > >> framework in Java called Spring which has pretty cool features like

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Gabe
Robert Cummings wrote: On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 10:50 -0400, Gabe wrote: Gabe wrote: What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively developed,

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Jochem Maas
Robert Cummings wrote: > On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 18:08 +0200, Jochem Maas wrote: >> Robert Cummings wrote: >>> On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 15:51 +0300, karthikeyan balasubramanian wrote: Speaking about framework. Anybody is aware there is a very popular framework in Java called Spring which has

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Jochem Maas
Robert Cummings wrote: > On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 15:51 +0300, karthikeyan balasubramanian wrote: >> Speaking about framework. Anybody is aware there is a very popular >> framework in Java called Spring which has pretty cool features like >> "Inversion of Control", "Dependency Injection" etc. > > So

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Gabe
Paul Scott wrote: Too bad there isn't a skeleton sort-of system that you essentially then just plug in the modules that you want/need to "flesh" it out. Then you'd have your own customized framework for each app that is developed and keeps *all* of the modules relevant to that app. Nothing e

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Paul Scott
> I see that there are a few different Universities in Africa supporting > that framework. How active is the developer community? How long has > KINKY/Chisimba been around? > The AVOIR Project has been going for about 2 years now. KINKY and KEWL.NextGen were the first products of that projec

RE: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Kilbride, James P.
I'm not going to comment on the rest of the stuff that was said, which is why I snipped it. I'm not a purist when it comes to OO at all. But I do have to say that while iterators in ruby are amazingly powerful that leave me going wow.. that is so cool.. The thought of how they could be abused and t

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Jochem Maas
Kilbride, James P. wrote: > I'm not going to comment on the rest of the stuff that was said, which > is why I snipped it. I'm not a purist when it comes to OO at all. But I > do have to say that while iterators in ruby are amazingly powerful that > leave me going wow.. that is so cool.. The thought

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Robert Cummings
dation for any framework but instead try to pimp phpclasses. From what I gathered you haven't even actually tried anywhere in the vicinity of 10% of the frameworks in existence and yet you feel obliged to write a commenatary called "Recommended PHP Frameworks" in which you don't eve

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Manuel Lemos
o recommendation for > any framework but instead try to pimp phpclasses. From what I gathered > you haven't even actually tried anywhere in the vicinity of 10% of the > frameworks in existence and yet you feel obliged to write a commenatary > called "Recommended PHP Frameworks

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Robert Cummings
gt; >> > >> http://www.phpclasses.org/blog/post/52-Recommended-PHP-frameworks.html > > > > I've read it before... it was crud. You provide no recommendation for > > any framework but instead try to pimp phpclasses. From what I gathered > > you have

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Paul Scott
> You mean we should all be happy that so much choice is available! > I agree with Rob! I am a botanist. I have never been trained in Computer Science, as far as "industry" is concerned, I am not qualified to turn on a PC. Fortunately for me, I am also a geek. My PHP experiences started when ru

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Jochem Maas
PHPClasses 0 - Botanist 1 :-) Paul Scott wrote: > >> You mean we should all be happy that so much choice is available! >> > > I agree with Rob! I am a botanist. I have never been trained in Computer > Science, as far as "industry" is concerned, I am not qualified to turn > on a PC. Fortunately

RE: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Arno Kuhl
ochem Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 August 2006 12:37 To: Paul Scott Cc: Robert Cummings; Manuel Lemos; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion PHPClasses 0 - Botanist 1 :-) Paul Scott wrote: > >> You mean we should all be happy that so much

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Jochem Maas
Sent: 03 August 2006 12:37 > To: Paul Scott > Cc: Robert Cummings; Manuel Lemos; php-general@lists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion > > > PHPClasses 0 - Botanist 1 > > :-) > > Paul Scott wrote: >>> You mean we should all be happy that

RE: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Paul Scott
On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 13:43 +0200, Arno Kuhl wrote: > I'm not so sure if the botanist wasn't saying in a rather confused way that > he was playing on the same side as PHPClasses, even if he did profess to be > in the other team. Did he say he was rolling his own (in a way only > botanists can do)

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Richard Lynch
On Wed, August 2, 2006 9:50 am, Gabe wrote: > Gabe wrote: >> What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for >> application development? There seems to be a number of them out >> there, >> but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively >> developed, >> secure, etc et

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Manuel Lemos
tried anywhere in the vicinity of 10% of the >>> frameworks in existence and yet you feel obliged to write a commenatary >>> called "Recommended PHP Frameworks" in which you don't even recommend a >>> framework. Additionally somehow while pimping phpclasse

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Manuel Lemos
Hello, on 08/03/2006 07:37 AM Jochem Maas said the following: > PHPClasses 0 - Botanist 1 > > :-) Erm Paul Scott is a good contributor of the PHPClasses site: http://www.phpclasses.org/browse/author/145758.html Several of his classes have been nominated to the PHP Programming Innovation A

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Manuel Lemos
Hello, on 08/03/2006 09:17 AM Jochem Maas said the following: > Arno Kuhl wrote: >> I'm not so sure if the botanist wasn't saying in a rather confused way that >> he was playing on the same side as PHPClasses, even if he did profess to be >> in the other team. Did he say he was rolling his own (in

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Manuel Lemos
Hello, on 08/03/2006 09:25 AM Paul Scott said the following: > The main thing in Manual's post that got me writing this in the first > place was : > > "Imagine if there would be only one PDBC (JDBC for PHP). Instead of that > we have a never ending choice of PHP database abstraction layers that >

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Robert Cummings
mework but instead try to pimp phpclasses. From what I gathered > >>> you haven't even actually tried anywhere in the vicinity of 10% of the > >>> frameworks in existence and yet you feel obliged to write a commenatary > >>> called "Recommended PHP Fram

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Robert Cummings
On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 14:42 -0300, Manuel Lemos wrote: > Hello, > > on 08/03/2006 09:25 AM Paul Scott said the following: > > The main thing in Manual's post that got me writing this in the first > > place was : > > > > "Imagine if there would be only one PDBC (JDBC for PHP). Instead of that > >

RE: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Kilbride, James P.
> -Original Message- > From: Manuel Lemos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 1:43 PM > To: php-general@lists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion > > Hello, > > on 08/03/2006 09:25 AM Paul Scott said the follo

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Martin Alterisio
2006/8/3, Manuel Lemos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Hello, on 08/01/2006 01:35 PM Gabe said the following: > What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for > application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, > but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, a

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Jonathan Duncan
On Fri, 4 Aug 2006, Jens Kleikamp wrote: Matt Todd wrote: Because of this, I determined to build my own framework. This was a few months ago, and Canvas[1] was the result of my labor. I produced this framework while working on numerous projects at the university I work at. This allowed me to

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-04 Thread Manuel Lemos
> documentation and source code fully deduce the usefulness of something. > I bow before you. Be seriuos. Nobody needs to actually use any framework to see that it is not suitable for your needs, when you can just browse the source code and documentation. It would be insane to try all PHP fram

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-04 Thread Robert Cummings
t using my own > >> solutions for my own purposes. > > > > Aaaah, so you are trully a genius to be able to at a glance of > > documentation and source code fully deduce the usefulness of something. > > I bow before you. > > Be seriuos. Nobody needs to actually use any fram

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-04 Thread Manuel Lemos
Hello, on 08/03/2006 02:53 PM Robert Cummings said the following: >>> The main thing in Manual's post that got me writing this in the first >>> place was : >>> >>> "Imagine if there would be only one PDBC (JDBC for PHP). Instead of that >>> we have a never ending choice of PHP database abstraction

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-04 Thread Manuel Lemos
Hello, on 08/03/2006 02:52 PM Kilbride, James P. said the following: >> I admit I have not expressed myself clearly. What I meant is >> not that people should be disallowed to implement alternative >> APIs, but rather that they should not feel the need to do it. >> >> In the Java world, JDBC is

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-04 Thread Robert Cummings
On Fri, 2006-08-04 at 17:23 -0300, Manuel Lemos wrote: > Hello, > > on 08/03/2006 02:53 PM Robert Cummings said the following: > >>> The main thing in Manual's post that got me writing this in the first > >>> place was : > >>> > >>> "Imagine if there would be only one PDBC (JDBC for PHP). Instead

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-04 Thread Manuel Lemos
Hello, on 08/03/2006 05:18 PM Martin Alterisio said the following: >> Anyway, you may want to read this more in depth reflection of the state >> of the PHP framework world and recommendations on how to pick what suits >> best for you: >> >> http://www.phpclasses.org/blog/post/52-Recommended-PHP-fr

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-05 Thread Tony Marston
"Robert Cummings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Fri, 2006-08-04 at 17:23 -0300, Manuel Lemos wrote: >> Hello, >> >> on 08/03/2006 02:53 PM Robert Cummings said the following: >> >>> The main thing in Manual's post that got me writing this in the first >> >>> pla

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-05 Thread Manuel Lemos
es. >>> Aaaah, so you are trully a genius to be able to at a glance of >>> documentation and source code fully deduce the usefulness of something. >>> I bow before you. >> Be seriuos. Nobody needs to actually use any framework to see that it is >> not suitab

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-05 Thread Robert Cummings
>>> I bow before you. > >> Be seriuos. Nobody needs to actually use any framework to see that it is > >> not suitable for your needs, when you can just browse the source code > >> and documentation. It would be insane to try all PHP frameworks that > >>

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-06 Thread Martin Alterisio
you mean by introduction. Usually there is a summary that goes in the RSS feed that is no longer than 3 or 4 paragraphs. I mean all the things you need to say before actually getting into what you want to talk about. Just take for example the post about "recommend php framework", look how much

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-08 Thread Manuel Lemos
Hello, on 08/05/2006 11:47 PM Robert Cummings said the following: This is necessary to escape wildcards characters that should be taken literally in patterns. It is needed to implement the auto-complete feature using SQL conditions of type field LIKE 'typed-text%'. If typed-tex

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-08 Thread Manuel Lemos
ly there is a summary >> that goes in the RSS feed that is no longer than 3 or 4 paragraphs. > > > I mean all the things you need to say before actually getting into what you > want to talk about. Just take for example the post about "recommend php > framework", lo

[PHP] Re: Need suggestions on PHP frameworks

2009-11-12 Thread Nathan Rixham
Dhanushka Samarakoon wrote: > Hi, > > I need to select a PHP framework for a small project about 20-25 pages (but > expected to grow in the future). I was looking at the comparison chart at > http://www.phpframeworks.com/. > > After browsing through some forums seems like CodeIgniter is the popul

[PHP] Re: Need suggestions on PHP frameworks

2009-11-12 Thread Dhanushka Samarakoon
Thanks :-) Tried searching the archives, but maybe I was not using the correct search terms. Will give it another try. On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Nathan Rixham wrote: > Dhanushka Samarakoon wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I need to select a PHP framework for a small project about 20-25 pages > (bu

[PHP] Frameworks Which Have A "Bake" Function?

2009-03-22 Thread Nitsan Bin-Nun
Hi Guys, I have been using cakephp for a while as a development framework. I'm also thinking for a while to use another framework and leave cakephp alone (too much babbling.. it takes too much time until you get to the code itself..), now I have decided to move on and here comes my question. Do

[PHP] Templates, PHP Frameworks, and DB Abstraction?

2006-06-30 Thread Jay Paulson
I'd like to get some feedback on what the list thinks is a good template engine other than smarty. I'd also like to do some quick prototyping using a PHP framework does anyone have any recommendations for one that is easy to pick up and run with? Finally, does anyone have any suggestions for a go

Re: Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Matt Todd
In my experience with the other frameworks (primarily Wasp, CakePHP, Symfony, eZ Components, and Zend Framework), I've found that I was not satisfied with the quantity of low-quality code they advocate. I have a high standard for code quality, readability, maintainability, and (more generally) sem

Re: [PHP] Re: Need suggestions on PHP frameworks

2009-11-12 Thread richardh
Hi, > ... I doubt you'll get a reasoned bunch of suggestions, more a religious war... :-) Still, I like PEAR components. -- Richard Heyes HTML5 graphing: RGraph - www.rgraph.net (updated 8th November) Lots of PHP and Javascript code - http://www.phpguru.org -- PHP General Mailing List (http:/

Re: [PHP] Re: Need suggestions on PHP frameworks

2009-11-12 Thread Sudheer Satyanarayana
I doubt you'll get a reasoned bunch of suggestions, more a religious war... :-) Still, I like PEAR components. Exactly. You have to visit the websites of frameworks, comparison articles, etc and find out for yourself which one suits you best. Currently, if I get to decide, I choose ZF

Re: [PHP] Re: Need suggestions on PHP frameworks

2009-11-14 Thread German Geek
Which framework to use is more of a religious war than anything, but I would recommend Symfony. It has a nice architechture and is very extendable. ++Tim Hinnerk Heuer++ http://www.ihostnz.com 2009/11/13 Sudheer Satyanarayana > > I doubt you'll get a reasoned bunch of suggestions, more a rel

Re: [PHP] Frameworks Which Have A "Bake" Function?

2009-03-22 Thread Nitsan Bin-Nun
Don't forget to attach the message to the list. Regarding the frameworks, which of them, for your opinion, will take the fastest time to learn and get into code? Thanks On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Graham Christensen < graham.christen...@iamgraham.net> wrote: > Look into Doctorine &|| Prope

Re: [PHP] Frameworks Which Have A "Bake" Function?

2009-03-22 Thread Phpster
Qcodo and symfony both have an ORM layer that can do that. They will provide/return and basic set of classes that interact with those tables. Bastien Sent from my iPod On Mar 22, 2009, at 11:52, Nitsan Bin-Nun wrote: Hi Guys, I have been using cakephp for a while as a development framewor

Re: [PHP] Frameworks Which Have A "Bake" Function?

2009-03-22 Thread Tony Marston
"Nitsan Bin-Nun" wrote in message news:d47da0100903220910q7bb66706s6255f0fc89b98...@mail.gmail.com... > Don't forget to attach the message to the list. > > Regarding the frameworks, which of them, for your opinion, will take the > fastest time to learn and get into code? Generally speaking if s

RE: [PHP] Templates, PHP Frameworks, and DB Abstraction?

2006-06-30 Thread KermodeBear
> Finally, does anyone have any suggestions for a good PHP database > abstraction library? PHP5 has PDO for database abstraction; check the manual for information on that one. If you're stuck with PHP4 then PEAR has several offerings: http://pear.php.net/package/DB/ http://pear.php.net/package/MDB

Re: [PHP] Templates, PHP Frameworks, and DB Abstraction?

2006-07-01 Thread Martin Marques
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006, Jay Paulson wrote: I'd like to get some feedback on what the list thinks is a good template engine other than smarty. PEARs HTML_Template_IT... or mix it with other HTML_Template* I'd also like to do some quick prototyping using a PHP framework does anyone have any recom

RE: [PHP] Templates, PHP Frameworks, and DB Abstraction?

2006-07-01 Thread Martin Marques
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006, KermodeBear wrote: http://pear.php.net/package/DB/ This one has no more development, besides bug fixes. It was merged to create the one below. http://pear.php.net/package/MDB2/ -- 21:50:04 up 2 days, 9:07, 0 users, load average: 0.92, 0.37, 0.18 -

[PHP] Re: Templates, PHP Frameworks, and DB Abstraction?

2006-07-02 Thread Manuel Lemos
Hello, on 06/30/2006 11:38 AM Jay Paulson said the following: > I'd like to get some feedback on what the list thinks is a good template > engine other than smarty. > > I'd also like to do some quick prototyping using a PHP framework does anyone > have any recommendations for one that is easy to

[PHP] Re: Templates, PHP Frameworks, and DB Abstraction?

2006-07-03 Thread Jens Kleikamp
Jay Paulson wrote: I'd like to get some feedback on what the list thinks is a good template engine other than smarty. I like ezTemplate. (E_STRICT) I'd also like to do some quick prototyping using a PHP framework does anyone have any recommendations for one that is easy to pick up and run wi

[PHP] Re: Templates, PHP Frameworks, and DB Abstraction?

2006-07-03 Thread Jens Kleikamp
Robert Cummings wrote: On Mon, 2006-07-03 at 08:37, Jens Kleikamp wrote: Jay Paulson wrote: I'd like to get some feedback on what the list thinks is a good template engine other than smarty. I like ezTemplate. (E_STRICT) YOU DO?? I hope it's changed then from the one used on a site I'm now

Re: [PHP] Re: Templates, PHP Frameworks, and DB Abstraction?

2006-07-02 Thread Lester Caine
Manuel Lemos wrote: on 06/30/2006 11:38 AM Jay Paulson said the following: I'd like to get some feedback on what the list thinks is a good template engine other than smarty. I'd also like to do some quick prototyping using a PHP framework does anyone have any recommendations for one that is e

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