Re: [PHP] zend studio 2.0

2002-02-25 Thread George Whiffen
Zeev, If you find that GUI tools are not overwhelmingly better for C++, Java product development, that does weaken the case for php studios even more. Why so? 1. Conciseness of php php is a high level application development tool so the code is, or at least, should mostly consist of highly spe

[PHP] Zend

2002-02-22 Thread Ornella Fasolo
Hallo, I would like to try Zend studio server as possible support for the development team. Until now i found only a Zend for php4.0.5, 4.0.6 4.1.0. Does anybody know where can i find a Zend server compatible with php4.0.4 ? thanks best regards Ornella Fasolo -- PHP General Mailing List (htt

[PHP] Zend debug server trouble

2002-02-20 Thread bvr
Hi, I'm trying to install the debug server for linux, but having trouble to make it work for remote clients through Apache. I installed the debug server and compiled php with --enable-debug The debug server works when I use the 'gdbclient -c' command. The Zend studio windows client debugs fi

[PHP] zend encoder

2002-02-20 Thread Kunal Jhunjhunwala
hey, Any ideas on how one can encode multiple files on a windows machine?? Regards, Kunal Jhunjhunwala "Minds think with ideas, not information. No amount of data, bandwidth, or processing power can substitute for inspired thought." - Clifford Stoll -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.

Re: [PHP] zend studio 2.0

2002-02-18 Thread Scott
FYI- My two cents. I have been running the demo version since a day or two after it was released. On Windows 2000 it has been solid as a rock. I have not tried it on my XP laptop yet, but will soon. Zend Studio is really helping to make PHP 'legitimate' in the corporate world since it no

Re: [PHP] zend studio 2.0

2002-02-18 Thread robert janeczek
> The problems you were having with the server components of the studio sound > quite odd - can you elaborate on them? (probably off-list, it's best if > you could submit a bug report about it through zend.com/store/pickup.php, > evaluation support). > > This is water under the bridge now, but yo

Re: [PHP] zend studio 2.0

2002-02-18 Thread Zeev Suraski
At 19:53 18/02/2002, DL Neil wrote: >Zeev, > >Didn't experience any stability problems with the beta per-se, but using a >Windows box was an exercise in >Unix-ification. Has the released version for Win32 seen significant >alterations to the GUI? I'm not sure which beta you've seen, but the GUI

Re: [PHP] zend studio 2.0

2002-02-18 Thread DL Neil
ECTED]> To: "Chris Lott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 18 February 2002 15:57 Subject: Re: [PHP] zend studio 2.0 > Chris, > > Stability improved *a lot* since the beta in December. Remember, it *was* > a beta release, and like most betas, st

Re: [PHP] zend studio 2.0

2002-02-18 Thread Zeev Suraski
At 00:27 18/02/2002, robert janeczek wrote: >hi >i write in php about 1.5 years. from the beginning i use macromedia homesite >and i`m quite content of it. but...debugger, environment not optimized for >php developers etc. so i wanted to try zend studio, i downloaded it, >installed (w2k, i already

Re: [PHP] zend studio 2.0

2002-02-18 Thread Zeev Suraski
Chris, Stability improved *a lot* since the beta in December. Remember, it *was* a beta release, and like most betas, stability was not perfect. It's quite good now, and it also got a whole new (well, mostly new) code completion engine which is really revolutionary for PHP. I'm not objective

Re: [PHP] zend studio 2.0

2002-02-18 Thread Zeev Suraski
At 05:02 18/02/2002, Peter J. Schoenster wrote: >Well, as you said, no point in arguing. Just that I think if someone >really wants to develop they should learn some better tools than a >GUI but it's a question of balance. That's quite an arguable point. I don't code PHP but C++ and Java, and I

Re: [PHP] zend studio 2.0

2002-02-17 Thread Chris Lott
> Well, as you said, no point in arguing. Just that I think if someone > really wants to develop they should learn some better tools than a > GUI but it's a question of balance. I think a definition of GUI might be in order. Homesite, for instance, is just a big text editor. It has almost no GUI

Re: [PHP] zend studio 2.0

2002-02-17 Thread Peter J. Schoenster
On 17 Feb 2002, at 16:12, Chris Lott wrote: > I hope we aren't going to get another chest-pounding "real coders" > type of argument going here. Homesite *IS* a text editor. It provides Yeah, my bad. > an amazing number of shortcuts to tasks, including mouse-based tasks, > many of which I guara

Re: [PHP] zend studio 2.0

2002-02-17 Thread Chris Lott
I hope we aren't going to get another chest-pounding "real coders" type of argument going here. Homesite *IS* a text editor. It provides an amazing number of shortcuts to tasks, including mouse-based tasks, many of which I guarantee you I can get done faster with a mouse than anyone can typing. It

Re: [PHP] zend studio 2.0

2002-02-17 Thread robert janeczek
> Well I was hoping that article was interesting. It wasn't. I should > have known when I saw the use of homesite as an alternative. sure, it was just simple look at zend studio, but it made me wonder why the tool didn`t work on my system :) [yes - i think i know what was wrong, no need to look f

Re: [PHP] zend studio 2.0

2002-02-17 Thread Peter J. Schoenster
On at , Unknown wrote: > i write in php about 1.5 years. from the beginning i use macromedia > homesite and i`m quite content of it. but...debugger, environment not > optimized for php developers etc. so i wanted to try zend studio, i > i`ve read this > (http://www.byte.com/documents/s=6975/by

[PHP] zend studio 2.0

2002-02-17 Thread robert janeczek
hi i write in php about 1.5 years. from the beginning i use macromedia homesite and i`m quite content of it. but...debugger, environment not optimized for php developers etc. so i wanted to try zend studio, i downloaded it, installed (w2k, i already had an apache, so i deleted what came with insta

Re: [PHP] OS X cersion coming soon...(was Re: [PHP] Zend Studio)

2002-02-04 Thread Erik Price
On Monday, February 4, 2002, at 07:23 PM, Michael Zornek wrote: >> http://www.zend.com/store/products/zend-studio.php is pretty >> descriptive, >> and you can try it out for free... > > Anyone interested in an OS X version hold tight, their PR people tell > me it > should be out in 30 days or

[PHP] OS X cersion coming soon...(was Re: [PHP] Zend Studio)

2002-02-04 Thread Michael Zornek
Twas 2/4/02 5:49 PM, when "Zeev Suraski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > http://www.zend.com/store/products/zend-studio.php is pretty descriptive, > and you can try it out for free... Anyone interested in an OS X version hold tight, their PR people tell me it should be out in 30 days or so. Mike

Re: [PHP] Zend Studio

2002-02-04 Thread Zeev Suraski
At 06:44 PM 2/4/2002, Alex Shi wrote: >Hi, > >After a long time absent from Zend I came across to it today just for >any new articles. To my surprise they changed their home page and >it seems like they are promoting their Zend Studio 2.0. I have no idea >what it is. Is it like a Visual Studio? Do

[PHP] Zend Studio

2002-02-04 Thread Alex Shi
Hi, After a long time absent from Zend I came across to it today just for any new articles. To my surprise they changed their home page and it seems like they are promoting their Zend Studio 2.0. I have no idea what it is. Is it like a Visual Studio? Does it support template? If any out there has

RE: [PHP] zend encoded files dont work

2002-01-31 Thread Matthew Walker
st Subject: [PHP] zend encoded files dont work Hey guys, Zend encoded files on a linux machine dont seem to work on a windows machine. Any ideas why? I have tried uploading the files in binary and ascii mode.. .and the optimizer is also loaded successfullly... the encoded files work on linux.. but n

[PHP] zend encoded files dont work

2002-01-31 Thread Kunal Jhunjhunwala
Hey guys, Zend encoded files on a linux machine dont seem to work on a windows machine. Any ideas why? I have tried uploading the files in binary and ascii mode.. .and the optimizer is also loaded successfullly... the encoded files work on linux.. but not windows... any ideas why? is there any one

Re: [PHP] Zend Accelerator

2001-12-13 Thread Zeev Suraski
A 4.1.0 compatible version should be out soon. Zeev At 13:40 13/12/2001, Daniel Urstöger wrote: >Does anybody know, when Zend plans to release a working Zend Accelerator >version >for PHP 4.1.0 ? >Bcz we already think about buying this nice application, and we had the >stuff already ruuning >in

[PHP] Zend Accelerator

2001-12-13 Thread Daniel Urstöger
Does anybody know, when Zend plans to release a working Zend Accelerator version for PHP 4.1.0 ? Bcz we already think about buying this nice application, and we had the stuff already ruuning in evaluation mode, and I wanna test the new version of Zend Accelerator on PHP 4.1.0 before investing mone

[PHP] Zend Optimizer Gui?

2001-12-11 Thread Thomas Deliduka
I am looking at the documentation for the zend optimizer and I see nothing about this (perhaps not looking hard enough?) The installation had me set a password for the Optimizer gui Interface. What is this? How can I get to it? -- Thomas Deliduka IT Manager - New E

[PHP] Zend Encoder

2001-12-03 Thread Mark
Hi, My company is looking into using the Zend Encoder to enforce licensing of some tools that I'm developing and I have a few questions that I hope someone who's used it can answer: 1) I understand that when you encode your files, they will stop working when the zend license expires. how easy is

[PHP] Zend or not to Zend

2001-09-10 Thread Power Programmer
Anybody using the zend optimizer in a production environment? Is Zend Cache worth the money? thanks Randy --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.268 / Virus Database: 140 - Release Date: 8/7/2001 -- PHP General Mai

Re: [PHP] ZEND API

2001-08-29 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
> Hopefully someone here can help... > > I'm writing my own extension and using the Zend API docs at Zend.com. They > are very vague on using resources. I can create them just fine, but the docs > leave out exactly how access the resource data later. I've been looking at > ext/curl/curl.c and ext/

[PHP] ZEND API

2001-08-29 Thread Ricky Dhatt
Hopefully someone here can help... I'm writing my own extension and using the Zend API docs at Zend.com. They are very vague on using resources. I can create them just fine, but the docs leave out exactly how access the resource data later. I've been looking at ext/curl/curl.c and ext/crack/crack

[PHP] Zend Optimizer under Linux Sparc

2001-08-20 Thread Robert Schultz
It appears as if the Zend Optimizer is distributed only in binary format. They have versions for Linux on i386 and versions for Solaris running on a Sparc Ultra processor. However, I'm running Linux RedHat on a Ultra Sparc processor. Is there any way I can install Zend Optimizer? Robert Schultz

Re: [PHP] Zend Optimizer

2001-08-16 Thread Chris Lambert
More Than White Hats Web Application Security - www.whitecrown.net */ - Original Message - From: Alfredeen, Johan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 11:33 AM Subject: [PHP] Zend Optimizer | Ok, I've searched the archives and e

[PHP] Zend Optimizer

2001-08-16 Thread Alfredeen, Johan
Ok, I've searched the archives and even contacted the Zend staff on this one, and I'm still confused. I also posted this question at the Zend Optimizer Forum but have not received an answer. I'm hoping one of you has some idea of how the Zend Optimizer works and can explain it. My webhost offers P

Re: [PHP] Zend core object creation

2001-07-01 Thread Andi Gutmans
At 06:27 PM 6/29/2001 -0500, Dean Hall wrote: >Okay, perhaps I need to spend some more time studying language >compilers/interpreters, but I've got a question regarding object creation in >the PHP core. > >Basically, what, internally, is part of a PHP object (class instantiation)? >I know Zend sta

[PHP] Zend core object creation

2001-06-30 Thread Dean Hall
Okay, perhaps I need to spend some more time studying language compilers/interpreters, but I've got a question regarding object creation in the PHP core. Basically, what, internally, is part of a PHP object (class instantiation)? I know Zend started using reference counting a while back, so I gue

[PHP] zend optimizer on php4.07-dev

2001-06-22 Thread idban secandri
anyone has try it? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PHP] Zend Optimizer on Solaris8 x86. Help!!

2001-04-20 Thread Chris
Anyone know how to get the Zend Optimizer work on Solaris 8 x86? i can only download the Sparc version of Zend Optimizer, but it don't work on x86. Thanks in advance. Chris -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional comm

[PHP] Zend IDE 1.10 and Debugger Mini-review

2001-04-09 Thread John
http://php.weblogs.com/zend_ide_debugger "But we didn't get the Zend IDE to do typing. We want to use it for the Debugger stuff. Now global and local variables are visible in the Variables tab. You can drill down into arrays and objects to look at their values." -- PHP General Mailing List (ht

Re: [PHP] ZEND Encoder

2001-04-05 Thread Plutarck
Although, an interesting question would be how hidden are variable values? Such as usernames/passes, etc. Though if someone manages to get a hold of a script, encoded or not, that has usernames and passwords in it, you are probably screwed anyway ;) In such a case all usernames and passwords sho

RE: [PHP] ZEND Encoder

2001-04-01 Thread James Moore
> Is it possible in any instance that someone else will be able to > de-code my > PHP scripts once I have used the Zend Encoder on it, and be able > to read it? > Obviously they will be able to decode it to actually use it on > the server, > but will they ever be able to read the source? They wi

Re: [PHP] ZEND Encoder

2001-04-01 Thread Michael Kimsal
Without getting into the specifics of the zend product, which we've not tested thoroughly, I'd hazard a wild speculation that zend encoder-encoded scripts: 1. can be decoded 2. can NOT be decoded to the original source Obviously anything encoded needs to be decoded to run, and someone with enoug

[PHP] ZEND Encoder

2001-04-01 Thread KPortsmout
Hi, I`m about to buy the Zend encoder from thier website and thought I better ask a pretty important question, unfortunately Zend couldn`t be bothered to follow up the lead on someone who might buy thier product so I thought I would turn to you guys to see if any of you know. Is it possible i

Re: [PHP] Zend?

2001-03-18 Thread Sharon Rozenbaum
Hi Chris, The Zend Encoder does what you've described (compiles your php script so if you look at the source, you see just "garbage"). To encode files with the Zend Encoder, you don't need anything but the Encoder itself. To run the encoded files you need to have the Zend Optimizer. The people

Re: [PHP] Zend?

2001-03-17 Thread Alexander Wagner
Chris Anderson wrote: > I've heard alot about the Zend Encoder. [..] > Does it require > any extra server settings etc? It requires the Zend Optimizer to be installed. regards Wagner -- Assumption is the mother of all fuck-ups. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscrib

[PHP] Zend?

2001-03-16 Thread Chris Anderson
I've heard alot about the Zend Encoder. Using it can I encode I file so that php still executes it, but a person cannot read my source by looking at the file? I'm programming components for people and would prefer if they could use it, but not see my source. Does it require any extra server set

[PHP] Zend debugger running across virtual servers

2001-02-19 Thread Neil Kimber
I've got the Zend IDE and debugger up and running. But, the debugger isn't picking up my 'Local Value' for the include path. It only seems to have the 'Master Value'. Has anyone else experienced this? And more importantly, how do I get around this problem. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://w

RE: [PHP] zend ide & debugger

2001-02-16 Thread James Moore
> > > > The IDE is pretty nice. Startup (Windows version through > Samba) takes a > > long time and there are still some crashing issues. Have you reported these if the happen consistenly Im sure the Zend folk would love to hear about them so that they can fix them.. > > It's nowhere near a

Re: [PHP] zend ide & debugger

2001-02-16 Thread Hidayet Dogan
PHPEd now supports debugger and still free :) > 1-month commercial license ($90). > > Download wasn't too bad. I haven't had a chance to check out the Zend > LaunchPad. The installation (Apache Linux PHP 4.04pl1+patches) took me about > 30 minutes for client and server which included the

Re: [PHP] Zend Debugger problems

2001-02-10 Thread Richard Lynch
> Anyone wrestled with the Zend Debugger Setup. Yes. :-) > Having downloaded the test drive of the IDE and Debugger and the test drive > license file > followed the docs to the letter. It still isnt running. once i include > zend_extention="/usr/local/Zend/ZendDebugger.so" in the php.ini file >

[PHP] Zend Debugger problems

2001-02-09 Thread Steven Holloway
Hi All, Anyone wrestled with the Zend Debugger Setup. Having downloaded the test drive of the IDE and Debugger and the test drive license file followed the docs to the letter. It still isnt running. once i include zend_extention="/usr/local/Zend/ZendDebugger.so" in the php.ini file apache

Re: [PHP] Zend Debug Server

2001-02-03 Thread Richard Lynch
>Does anybody know how should I recognise if Zend Debug Server is running ??? Either says something like "...with Zend DebugServer..." or it doesn't. It's in the Zend engine section next to the Zend logo. If it's not running, check your httpd logs to see why. -- Visit the Zend Store at http

RE: [PHP] Zend Debug Server

2001-02-02 Thread Steve Haemelinck
With the following standard script: You can find it there -Original Message- From: Milan Mlynarcik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: vrijdag 2 februari 2001 14:03 To: PHP mail list General Subject:[PHP] Zend Debug Server Does anybody know how should I recognise if

[PHP] Zend Debug Server

2001-02-02 Thread Milan Mlynarcik
Does anybody know how should I recognise if Zend Debug Server is running ??? Milan Mlynarcik

RE: [PHP] Zend IDE

2001-02-02 Thread Alain Fontaine
2001 12:08 > A : Alain Fontaine; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Objet : Re: [PHP] Zend IDE > > > Alain, > > Have you tried changing your keyboard layout in the Windows Control-Panel > to Swiss-French? > As far as I know, Java uses your systems keyboard layout. > > Java will be s

Re: [PHP] Zend IDE

2001-02-02 Thread Zeev Suraski
At 11:43 2/2/2001, Alain Fontaine wrote: >Oh, by the way... Zend IDE for Windows is written in Java. Microsoft is >dumping Java completely. Find the mistake. The Zend IDE is written in Java, period; You may consider this a mistake if you're not fond of Java, but this has nothing to do with Micr

RE: [PHP] Zend IDE

2001-02-02 Thread Alain Fontaine
ntime environment ? > -Message d'origine- > De : Andi Gutmans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Envoye : vendredi 2 fevrier 2001 12:08 > A : Alain Fontaine; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Objet : Re: [PHP] Zend IDE > > > Alain, > > Have you tried changing your keyboar

Re: [PHP] Zend IDE

2001-02-02 Thread Andi Gutmans
Alain, Have you tried changing your keyboard layout in the Windows Control-Panel to Swiss-French? As far as I know, Java uses your systems keyboard layout. Java will be supported by other vendors such as Sun & IBM on Windows so I wouldn't worry about it ;) And of course our aim is to support U

[PHP] Zend IDE

2001-02-02 Thread Alain Fontaine
Hi, Does anyone know how I can 'tell' the Zend IDE to actually use Swiss-French keyboard layout instead of french? I know it's related to Java thinking as I'm living in Belgium, I must have a french keyboard layout. Yet, I don't, and I can't type correctly now :) Oh, by the way... Zend IDE for W

Re: [PHP] Zend Optimizer not working with @

2001-01-31 Thread Andi Gutmans
Chris, Thanks for the report. This will be fixed in the next version of the Zend Optimizer. Andi At 12:32 PM 1/31/2001 -0800, Chris Lee wrote: > echo @$test; >?> > >This works without Zend Optimizer installed, as soon as I turn on Zend I get >'undifined variable'. Why doesn't the @ turn th

[PHP] Zend Optimizer not working with @

2001-01-31 Thread Chris Lee
This works without Zend Optimizer installed, as soon as I turn on Zend I get 'undifined variable'. Why doesn't the @ turn this warning off when Zend installed? -- Chris Lee Mediawaveonline.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: [PHP] Zend IDE price plans

2001-01-27 Thread Frank Joerdens
On Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 10:26:35AM -0500, Jim Jagielski wrote: [ . . . ] > You mean like the Commercial Subscription ($70/month) ?? The Encoder > SE is available with that plan. In fact, that's almost the whole idea > behind the Commercial subscription: to allow a very low entry for access > to th

Re: [PHP] Zend IDE price plans

2001-01-27 Thread Zeev Suraski
At 17:37 27/1/2001, Lewis Bergman wrote: >Also, Does anyone know if the IDE works on the snapshots? I didn't see >anything to preclude it but it seemed to come packaged with a PHP version. >I wouldn't want to give up the ability to code with the latest function to >use an IDE. I guess I could just

Re: [PHP] Zend IDE price plans

2001-01-27 Thread Christopher Allen
> > An alternative (non-subscription) plan for the IDE will be announced > > next week. It'll be designed to make the IDE much more affordable for > > everyone, including those who develop for commercial purposes. > > > > Stay tuned! An alternative is xemacs with the correct <.el >file.

Re: [PHP] Zend IDE price plans

2001-01-27 Thread lagi
Thats what I wanted to hear maybe the winging did it or maybe they planned it all along ... - Original Message - From: "Zeev Suraski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lewis Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 20

Re: [PHP] Zend IDE price plans

2001-01-27 Thread Lewis Bergman
> An alternative (non-subscription) plan for the IDE will be announced > next week. It'll be designed to make the IDE much more affordable for > everyone, including those who develop for commercial purposes. > > Stay tuned! > > Zeev As always, PHP and it's dedicated people come through again!

Re: [PHP] Zend IDE price plans

2001-01-27 Thread Lewis Bergman
> lagi wrote: >> >> They can charge the big companies who pay the microsoft tax for the >> extra nannying that they need/want/expect but why give the razor free >> and then charge $6000 per blade? Charge a nobrainer price (for a >> limited period) and we would all jump in i predict. > > You m

Re: [PHP] Zend IDE price plans

2001-01-27 Thread Zeev Suraski
Lewis & everyone, An alternative (non-subscription) plan for the IDE will be announced next week. It'll be designed to make the IDE much more affordable for everyone, including those who develop for commercial purposes. Stay tuned! Zeev At 15:22 27/1/2001, Lewis Bergman wrote: >Is anyone el

Re: [PHP] Zend IDE price plans

2001-01-27 Thread Jim Jagielski
lagi wrote: > > They can charge the big companies who pay the microsoft tax for the extra > nannying that they need/want/expect but why give the razor free and then > charge $6000 per blade? Charge a nobrainer price (for a limited period) > and we would all jump in i predict. You mean like th

Re: [PHP] Zend IDE price plans

2001-01-27 Thread Alain Fontaine
My 2ps worth > > Lagi > > - Original Message - > From: "Lewis Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 1:22 PM > Subject: [PHP] Zend IDE price plans > > > > Is anyone else dissappointed

Re: [PHP] Zend IDE price plans

2001-01-27 Thread lagi
D]> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 1:22 PM Subject: [PHP] Zend IDE price plans > Is anyone else dissappointed in the limited pricing options of the Zend IDE? > I would love to buy the commercial license as about half of my work would > fall into that. > > My problem is I don'

[PHP] Zend IDE price plans

2001-01-27 Thread Lewis Bergman
Is anyone else dissappointed in the limited pricing options of the Zend IDE? I would love to buy the commercial license as about half of my work would fall into that. My problem is I don't want or need anything except the IDE. Are there other people in this same boat? I would like the IDE but

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-26 Thread Terrence Chay
on 1/26/01 1:36 AM, Richard Lynch at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> If there are some things you really need to hide, and perhaps also really >> need to make fast, then write yourself a PHP extension in C that > I dunno... Once you start writing chunks of it in C code, it doesn't really > seem li

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-26 Thread Richard Lynch
> > Unfortunately, it's not that simple. > > > > You haven't factored in Support costs nor administrative overhead nor... > > Well, I don't know what else the Marketing folks do when they figure these > > things out, but that's why I'm not in Marketing, eh? > > > Right it's not my game either (mar

Re: [PHP] zend ide & debugger

2001-01-26 Thread Terrence Chay
1-month commercial license ($90). Download wasn't too bad. I haven't had a chance to check out the Zend LaunchPad. The installation (Apache Linux PHP 4.04pl1+patches) took me about 30 minutes for client and server which included the wait on the license key. It took us another day to put u

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-26 Thread Christopher Allen
> Unfortunately, it's not that simple. > > You haven't factored in Support costs nor administrative overhead nor... > Well, I don't know what else the Marketing folks do when they figure these > things out, but that's why I'm not in Marketing, eh? Right it's not my game either (marketing), but

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-26 Thread Richard Lynch
> You are entirely correct. However, I (personally) feel that by pricing it so > high you're targeting a very small niche market at a higher rate. Pricing it > in the "$300.00" range would not cost you that niche - but it would gain you > the "x-million" users/freelance developers. Sure, $6,000

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-26 Thread Richard Lynch
> > Well, without the Encoder the entire *possibility* of "seriously proprietary > > kickass scripts" that people distribute and sell is out of the question. > > If there are some things you really need to hide, and perhaps also really > need to make fast, then write yourself a PHP extension in C

RE: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
> Yes, but name me one way that will ensure your code in the manner that Zend > does it, making your code unreadable just pisses the people off who wish to > alter the parts which are intended to be altered. And with Zend, its > possible to write readable code, encode the sensitive parts, and invi

RE: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread Dallas Kropka
: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 2:57 PM To: Jim Jagielski Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sander Pilon; Uioreanu Calin; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price) > I never said that obfuscating the code is a requirement for all people. > I&

RE: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread Dallas Kropka
ut we weren't expecting it to run that high. I must say that Zend did a lousy PR job at promoting the system, but we need to use it. Dallas K. -Original Message- From: Michael A. Peters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 11:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EM

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread Jim Jagielski
Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > > You wrote: > > without the Encoder the entire *possibility* of "seriously proprietary > > kickass scripts" that people distribute and sell is out of the question. > > "out of the question" does not imply this "some people" idea. The above > says that if you wish to ser

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
> I never said that obfuscating the code is a requirement for all people. > I'd like to know where I said that. It's easy to make me sound like an > idiot or worse when you put words in my mouth. I said that for some > people it is. BIG difference. That was not how I understood what you wrote.

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread Jim Jagielski
Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > > > Well, without the Encoder the entire *possibility* of "seriously proprietary > > kickass scripts" that people distribute and sell is out of the question. > > Let's not go overboard here. You can build and sell serious stuff without > an encoder. Obfuscating the code

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
> Well, without the Encoder the entire *possibility* of "seriously proprietary > kickass scripts" that people distribute and sell is out of the question. Let's not go overboard here. You can build and sell serious stuff without an encoder. Obfuscating the code is not a requirement for all peopl

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread Jim Winstead
please, please take this discussion elsewhere. if you have questions for the zend guys about their pricing and want to lecture them on what you think the right pricing is, there are a number of message boards on their site that are more suitable. if you want to explore alternatives to the zend c

RE: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread Michael A. Peters
My question is- Does the encoder license permit a company to purchase the license, and then optionally encode php for third parties? Can I, for example, encode purchase the encoder, and then make a deal with John who can't afford the encoder to encode John's web application for $150 and give J

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread szii
You are entirely correct. However, I (personally) feel that by pricing it so high you're targeting a very small niche market at a higher rate. Pricing it in the "$300.00" range would not cost you that niche - but it would gain you the "x-million" users/freelance developers. Sure, $6,000 is 20x

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread Jim Jagielski
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > But I do know that for $6,000 I sure as hell am not buying it. > Maybe for a couple hundred...but $6,000? No way. I'd have to have > some seriously proprietary kickass scripts that cost me a huge investment > in time/money to develop to blow $6,000 just on keeping p

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread szii
IMHO, if you want to sell it then it's your right. You coded it, you own it, you get to sell it. But I do know that for $6,000 I sure as hell am not buying it. Maybe for a couple hundred...but $6,000? No way. I'd have to have some seriously proprietary kickass scripts that cost me a huge inv

Re: [PHP] Zend Debuger

2001-01-25 Thread Jim Jagielski
Andrew Sitnikov wrote: > > Hello php-general, > > I have some problem with Zend debuger: > > debug.php > for ($i=0;$i<10;$i++){ > echo $i."\n"; >} > ?> > What happens if you modify it as: debug.php > Configuration: > Server: Apache1.3.14_Linux2.2

[PHP] Zend Debuger

2001-01-25 Thread Andrew Sitnikov
Hello php-general, I have some problem with Zend debuger: debug.php Configuration: Server: Apache1.3.14_Linux2.2.17_PHP 4.0.4pl1+Zend Debuger From phpinfo() -| | This program makes use of the Zend scripti

RE: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price) (Freelance Encoding?)

2001-01-25 Thread Wandrer
At 02:26 PM 1/25/01 +0100, you wrote: > > Hello, > > What do you think about Zend position? > > http://php.weblogs.com/ > > http://zend.com/phorum/read.php?num=3&id=6277&loc=0&thread=6277 > >I think that if Zend wants to sell it for $6000, then they have all right >to. These guys have worked hard,

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread Jim Jagielski
Sander Pilon wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > What do you think about Zend position? > > http://php.weblogs.com/ > > http://zend.com/phorum/read.php?num=3&id=6277&loc=0&thread=6277 > > > > I think that if Zend wants to sell it for $6000, then they have all right > to. These guys have worked ha

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread Teodor Cimpoesu
Hi Sander! On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Sander Pilon wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > What do you think about Zend position? > > http://php.weblogs.com/ > > http://zend.com/phorum/read.php?num=3&id=6277&loc=0&thread=6277 > > > > I think that if Zend wants to sell it for $6000, then they have all right >

RE: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread Sander Pilon
> > Hello, > > What do you think about Zend position? > http://php.weblogs.com/ > http://zend.com/phorum/read.php?num=3&id=6277&loc=0&thread=6277 > I think that if Zend wants to sell it for $6000, then they have all right to. These guys have worked hard, and they deserve some cash for it. If pe

[PHP] Zend hit

2001-01-25 Thread Uioreanu Calin
Hello, What do you think about Zend position? http://php.weblogs.com/ http://zend.com/phorum/read.php?num=3&id=6277&loc=0&thread=6277 Cordialement, Uioreanu Calin - [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +4094477589 Web: http://www.ecomert.f2s.com DMS Team

Re: [PHP] zend ide & debugger

2001-01-23 Thread WBB
IL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 1:15 PM Subject: [PHP] zend ide & debugger > ola all, > > has anyone used the zend ide+debugger? > > before I slap down $800, I'd like to know if people who have think it's > groovy.. > > :) > > _alex > >

[PHP] Zend Store products questions

2001-01-23 Thread Andrew Sitnikov
Hello , I have some questions about new products from Zend. 1. After the my "Commercial Subscription Plan" expire, will scripts coded with "Zend Encoder SE" working ? (if it work in users servers with "Zend Encoder SE Runtime plugins"). 2. If I shall choose payment 12 months, I shal

Re: [PHP] zend ide & debugger

2001-01-23 Thread Alex Akilov
Alex, I saw a demo of it about 3 months ago while they were working on it and it looked pretty impressive and contained all the necessary debug features I asked about. As far as sending info to the browser, you might be surprised as I think it might do some of that but I don't recall exactly wha

Re: [PHP] zend ide & debugger

2001-01-23 Thread Alex Black
> The IDE+Debugger combo really looks great, esp. because of the debug > support being AWOL in PHP4. I'm a little bit irked about that actually, they obviously stopped the "free" development on it, and moved it in house. But I guess you gotta put food on the table :) I really would prefer to hav

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