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> Do you mean that "document" = one web page plucked into the PDB ?
Here's my take... a Plucker 'document' is one 'file' as seen in the
Document Library (formerly the Document Manager). This is also a 'Palm
Database' as seen from the OS poin
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> The viewer only uses "document", never "database".
It's important to note the distinction:
Plucker's viewer uses "document"
Palm itself, uses "database" to note the .pdb file that includes
Plucker "documents".
d.
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> The install-script runs the configure script and not the other way around,
> so that won't work.
My point was that you could use a script called 'install' which
would then bootstrap autogen/autoconf to find the necessary libs and tools
(AC
> The problem is that the install-script will be run *before* the configure
> script ;-)
I haven't looked at it in awhile, but why not just use autogen.sh
and have it do the configure.in checks, and populate a $MAKE environment
variable, which your install-script can pick up? Call it ./i
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> On my system (Slackware 7.0) gmake is a link to make... so it's ok.
Default debian unstable doesn't have it. AC_PROG_GMAKE or some such
could be an easier way. Always allow for a graceful fallback. Let autoconf
do the work for you. I c
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> Let's make sure we get them all nailed down before we release it.
I should elaborate on that:
- Documentation (so we can put it online and also as a pdb)
- Update the FAQ
- Update the NEWS file
- Create man
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> This is probably just about ready to go for 1.2beta9-hires, any idea when
> 1.2beta9 itself will be released, Mike?
I would venture to guess.. "When It's Ready(tm)" =)
Seriously though, there's a lot of other little bits that need
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> This reminds me, I've often wondered if anyone has though about putting
> any effort into creating a C version of the parser?
I've suggested using what's already out there a few dozen times. The
best and most robust piece of code in C with
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> Is this supposed to be a marketing tactic, or an unbiased
> comparison?
Both =)
> But Plucker also requires Zlib, correct?
No, not required, but helpful.
> And python on the computer the parser runs on. That's not c
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> Anything after 160-scrollbar pixels from the left, is just truncated off
> the right side of the screen (image is attached to this message, apologies
> for using .gif, it was the smallest one out of png/jpg/gif).
doh! Forgot to attach the
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I'm not sure when this behavior changed, but now it's a bit
cumbersome to use with current plucker-built documents.
When I'm plucking a site, and the site has a logo at the top, for
example the Cincinnati Spine institute[1], the logo
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> XHTML, you mean? DBFormat is already in XHTML. The part I find
> uneditable is the User Manual in Latex...
No, I mean SGML.. which can render anything you want, pdf, HTML,
XHTML, etc. LaTeX can be a bit painful, but that's how we started
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I just noticed a few things while testing some content in 1.2b9 and
the parser that comes with it.
1.) PIL doesn't natively support 8bpp in python-imaging version
1.1.3 from Debian Unstable. This was tested using python-2
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> Would you prefer supported markup tag parameters like and
> in the DBFormat file, or would you prefer a separate
> document with all the currently supported parameters for each tag that an
> author can use?
Eventually I'm going to take o
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> ever growing, .. will never be done :)
Consider them added, I'll put up an article on the new site
detailing them. There's a few latent articles missing, one of the most
important is the interview I did with Mark Lillywhite over IRC awhile
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> Is it worth the trouble to learn Plucker. Is it really better than
> avantgo?
I should put up an AvantGo vs. Plucker shootout page sometime. Let's
go over some of the high-level points:
1. Plucker has two forms of compression (z
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the list where the developers usually
> chat about the inner workings of plucker. If you have any end-user
> queries, I suggest read the manual first, then subscribe to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and post your question there.
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> One good thing about JPEG is that all the new sony's will have built in
> decompressors for these files,. adding support would be easy if its
> already set to understand jpeg within the viewer.
Can we hope they'd "Do The Right Thing(tm)" a
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> Does that Bluefish atrocity use 'Plkr' too? Are they _still_ using
> Plucker code in violation of the GPL?
The investigation of the ongoing use of Plucker source in the
Bluefish/MercuryGuide/TechXNY/etc. products is still ongoing. We're p
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> Aren't the id's assigned directly by palm? this is extremely bad form.
> what can we do about it?
No they are not assigned by Palm.
Each developer is "encouraged" (not required) to register their own
Creator ID to ensure that ano
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> Any suggestions of the user-agent strings people would most likely want to
> use?
Mozilla/3.0 (compatible; AvantGo 3.2)
..which is why the user_agent and referrer (spelled 'differently')
arguments were implemented in the first pla
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As I work on the last of the new website sections, the most
interactive of the bunch.. I've developed a need to determine/detect what
type of compression a given Plucker document holds, without installing it on
the Palm device. The same holds
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> Do they provide or make available the source to their modified viewer if
> you download or buy their product? If so, what is illegal?
All requests by us for the MercuryGuide code are referred to
Bluefish Wireless for resolution by them. T
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> Run at least with --verbosity=2, so we can see the stack trace. Thanks.
That _was_ with -V2... V3 reports exactly the same level of
verbosity (with imagemagick). This behavior changes when you select netpbm
as the parser, however.
d.
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It seems that some of the new information for coloring links doesn't
quite seem to work. I see the data in the parser, but I'm at a loss as to
how to "trick" it into working. I rather liked the blue link behavior.
Here's one example:
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> Links are only colored if either (a) the document explicitly says to color
> them, or (b) the user defines "anchor-color" in their config file (sorry
> about that American spelling, Robert :-).
Can we make this 'anchor_color' to match simi
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> It has very wide screen and keyboard, but is compatible with our Palm
> devices. Imagine plucker viewer is running on this huge screen!
I saw that yesterday on pdabuzz, and have been trying to find
someone to get me a development unit so I
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>
> But sitescooper, http://sitescooper.org/ - can do cookies.
>
> sitescooper has a plucker backend, that uses the python tools.
>
>
Pulling cookies in with perl is actually really easy (as well as
SSL-based logins, etc. using sessions
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> Would there be any concerns of sharing violations as the parser and the
> observing applications are aynchronous of each other in their
> executions--i.e. the parser trying to write and the observing application
> try to read at the same time?
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> I can't seem to get away with My Yahoo though as it returns a reply saying
> I am not accepting cookies. How can I get around this.
You can't, not with that URL.
Yahoo recently moved to a cookie mechanism, which Plucker (via
Pyth
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> Silly question, but wouldn't it be prudent to put beta downloads as links
> on the website? Even in the news section, listing the changes inbetween
> betas would be nice.
Yes, and I'm working on that. Developers (us) should soon be allowed
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I was helping an OSX user today with a netpbm problem using
pluck-comics. Having never used it before, I decided to poke around with
pluck-comics and see if I could replicate the issue.
I found a couple of slight issues with pluck-co
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> It can be downloaded as one big file at
Done!
[11276755 refs]
real16m41.256s
user16m35.530s
sys 0m5.330s
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> Well, I never checked the size of the file, but if it only takes you 58
> seconds to convert, then it can't be the same file I tried to convert in
> December 2000. That file was a 44MB document and I guess that would take a
> bit longer than 58 sec
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> I guess it was Webster's Unabridged Dictionary I tried to convert 18
> months ago ;-)
Took about 58 seconds to parse here on the existing python parser on
verbosity -V0. I didn't try to load it, because I don't have the space =)
d.
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> We are starting portal which serves customized content of pages and we
> want to generate content in Plucker format (with iSilo). And this is
> critical for it - why users should use Plucker, if it doesn't work
> correctly?
Since when does
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> There are about 3 copies of everything (source, an abstract parse tree of
> every page which consumes an obscene amount of memory, and a Palm binary
> form) in memory by the time it's just about to write the binary file, as
> well as a number of ad
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The debugging continues..
I managed to find, with the help of some python gurus, a way to
expose all the strings and objects that Spider.py uses during it's
parse/gather/etc. runs.
In Spider.py, I imported 'gc', then later i
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I've been debugging the python parser a bit more with some local
files a user referred me to for a medical reference guide. There are 26522
straight .html files, and I'm not doing anything exotic with them, and all
of these reference local fi
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> Moving files without losing the revision history is slightly complicated
> in CVS. Create a new directory for these new viewers instead.
I can help you with this. I restructured the entire pilot-link
directory structure in cvs without losi
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> doc_file = "E:\HTTP Web\GregMartyn\plucker\preplucked\SlashDot"
> Is there any chance that doc_file will support full paths in the future?
Did you try a path without a space, like C:\Temp, instead, to assist
in debugging the source of the
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Forwarded on Jason's behalf
- --
I would have responded to this sooner, but I just moved, and do not yet have
connectivity at home. That's also why I'm using this crappy web-based
mailer, so apologies for the formatting.
Anyway, to the point...
Yo
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> 521 = 0x209 = dmErrCorruptDatabase
Odd.. the database works fine, just not when I tap on the links that
happen to be _AT_ $maxdepth. If I specify maxdepth=2, then these last set of
"off-site" links will throw the exception.
d.
-BEGI
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I tried to pluck that huge set of medical files for Guylhem, and
found that it returns another Unhandled exception, this time '521'. I'm
using the latest beta, latest parser in cvs. Is this problem getting more
frequent? I'm not using anythin
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> I'd like to add another font style to the format -- basically a smaller
> font, that could be used for . Can PalmOS support that?
Most Palm devices come with the standard fonts, but you could
cerainly replace them with FontHack and other
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> The part is a messup on slashdot's side, right? Or is that
> allowed?
Not allowed, invalid HTML.
d.
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> > throw an "Unhandled exception, error code = 32770"
> The link record is corrupt so the uncompress function fails...
I saw a few commits in the past week, but the latest parser, latest
viewer combination do not seem to solve this problem
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> > Right now, that's the only solution.
> Any volunteer with spare CPU cycles and memory ? ;-)
Plenty. Email me the URL privately.
d.
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> I have some changes to Plucker that I'd like to submit. Do I need a
> user/pass for the CVS, or should I send the updates to someone else?
Send them to any of us for review, or to the list, is preferred, so
others can benefit from them and
Forwarded.. I don't think this person is on the mailing lists.
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Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 13:58:11 +0200
From: Tarapat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: plucker
I have problem with localization in Poland user 2 different code pages
iso-8859-2 and cp-win (o
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> The default extension will remain ".pdb", but I will also add the
> configuration option so that die-hards (like me) who don't use any
> software that is impeded by the change (my communication with the Palm is
> solely through pilot-link, and it d
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> No, that's wrong. the virii in question specifically had those icons
> embedded within them.
How can a .pif file have an icon embedded in it? I'll have to look
this up and get a sample file here to verify that.
Oh, and the plural
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> The current situation is sub-optimal. The scope isn't even limited to the
> 17 document readers as data can be held in the database programs too
> (especially common in reference subjects like medicine).
Exactly, which furthers my point th
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> I will object and not only because it adds bloat, but even more because I
> don't see any reason to support proprietary formats in the viewer.
>
> > I'm definately not suggesting we add the capability to _read_ these docs
> > from Plucker,
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> Hmm, I don't think it causes weird problems, it is just treated like a
> naming convention really. Similar to what tar.gz is. It is a gzipped file,
> but it describes what it is a zip of: a .tar file.
The problem is that the Windows defau
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> One possibilty would be to use a double extension of "*.plkr.pdb" somewhat
> similar to a "*.tar.gz" file.
Which could cause weird problems on Windows (remember the mess with
the AnnaKournikova.jpg.pif trojans floating around) subject to t
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I did some debugging here on a local fetch, and noticed that if I
fetch slashdot's articles, but use a --stayonhost argument, any links beyond
my maxdepth when tapped throw an "Unhandled exception, error code = 32770"
and then exit the applic
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> Any problems with this?
Yes, absolutely nothing will recognize the file if you do this.
You'll have to rename the files from Wired.plkr to Wired.pdb before Palm
Desktop, pilot-link, J-Pilot, whatever will recognize them. What ever would
we
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> How about --hyphenation-threshold=N, where N==0 would disable hyphenation?
How about just --hyphenate or --hyphenation, where the absence of
that argument disables hyphenation. Let's not forget that a similar tool
must exist in the plucker
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> Only David can fix this problem, i.e. it requires root access to the
> server. Right now, you can't even run 'cvs update' without getting this
> error.
Something must have stuffed it up when he committed 'explode'. I
just nuked the existin
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> I meant is it possible to setup pdf2plucker utility on my desktop to parse
> .pdf files to Plucker .pdb?
No.
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> % cd tools
> % mkdir explode
> % cvs add explode
> [...populate explode with a few files...]
You forgot a few steps here:
% cvs add explode/files_you_added
> % cvs commit -m "new directory for explode program" explode
> c
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> Better make it the Windows part, since it is a guide for Windows users ;-)
Agreed.
> > ConvertIt is freeware.
>
> That is, proprietary software...
I took it from the usenet post I found it on
(comp.sys.palmtops.pilot)
d.
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> Before our great Plucker team disapears for the summer vacation on some
> exotic island :)
Not this year, I already drained that option in Grenada.
> I'd like to pose a question about pdf documents. I noticed that plucker
> server provide
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> BTW, I found the following "Unofficial 5 Minute Guide to using Plucker" on
> the 'net,
>
>http://www27.brinkster.com/zipzilla/pluckerhowto/plucker.html
I'll add a link to this from the Linux part of the website.
I just found t
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> > unless we should just clobber them automatically and overwrite each time
> > a new one is released.
>
> That's what I do at sslug.dk. I just scp a new batch of binaries to the
> directory overwriting the previous version.
Then that is wh
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> I have put a new beta at http://www.sslug.dk/~micke/plucker/beta/
WOO! New beta to test and make some screenshots of!
(incidentally, I need some Sony screenshots for the website.. Adam?
Someone else with a working Sony POSE and so
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I took a few minutes this morning and converted the FAQ to SGML, and
committed it to ./docs/FAQ.sgml. This gives us a few advantages over the
previous stock text FAQ in the top-level directory at a maintenance level.
Now we can convert the FA
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> Also included is a sample program, explode, which will "explode" a Plucker
> document into a directory of HTML and JPEG.
Doesn't decode.py do this already? This sounds useful in any case.
> I thought a few folks (Robert?) might want to pl
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> You can build by:
This is great information, let's add it to
./plucker_desktop/BUILDING for other users to gain access to it.
> I'll spend some time on making the README documentations in the
> plucker_desktop directory a bit better to as
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> So we'd get more accurate Web usage of Plucker if we had a Plucker
> extension.
"Accurate" how? I think that's the piece I'm missing.
d.
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> > > Unfortunately, when it comes to determining the MIME type of a page to
> > > send across the wire, many if not most Web servers are extraordinarily
> > > sensitive to the suffixes on file names.
> > ..which is a handicap, since they should obe
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> But what good really would it do once that's supported?
For us, on Linux/Unix? Nothing..
> I would assume just to upload the file up to the palm, but the hotsync
> program itself only supports pdc, pdb, pqa as valid extensions.
I
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> The Windows Palm stuff requires .prc or .pdb.
That is a Palm limitation, you _can not_ install anything on the
Palm unless it has an extension of .prc, .pdb, or .pqa, currently, unless
you copy it to the external expansion card using anoth
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> Folks, I'd like to suggest we start using a standard extension of .plk for
> Plucker documents.
I'd like to amend this to include .plk and .plkr, with .plkr taking
precedence of course, with the .plk for those braindead platforms that can'
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> Another possible solution is to have an "i-mode database" with the 200
> icons that you have to install if you want to view i-mode contents.
I like this idea much better, less fuss and you don't have to worry
about versions (of the icons)
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> Was taking a run through of some i-mode sites today, such as
> http://www.japantoday.com/e/i/ and some others. It seems that i-mode has
> about 35 million users now, so I thought I would see what the story was,
> and its possibility of expanding th
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> I think the target attribute of A element tells what frame the link should
> load the page into. If had a frame called "main", and some links down
> side have a target of "main" then would cause loading into a new frame.
>
> There are also a few s
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> I'm brand new to this list, however, and couldn't find any appropriate
> documentation on the plucker website, so: what is the best way to submit
> this change, and does it need to go through some kind of review?
Send it to the list as an
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> Found the source of the rumour: the Qt Palmtop Environment devel list.
> I'm not sure if they're moving ahead with it or not, but be aware that
> people are watching your development! :-)
I talked to the guys yesterday, three of them claim
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> So. Rumour has it that the upcoming release of Konqueror Embedded (a web
> browser for the Qt Palmtop Environment or Qtopia) supports Plucker format.
> Any confirmation from Plucker itself? :-)
The latest Konqueror Embedded source snapsho
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> Since we cannot modify the hotsync protocol... yes :)
Not true... and may be required soon. You can replace the HotSync
protocol entirely, with a palm-resident, desktop-compatible replacement, and
then hook it to the cradle button and HotS
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Better than the last... stay tuned!
d.
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> I tried to use plucker and found the following error. I am attaching the
> = home.html and the description file along. Please help.
What distro?
What version of Python?
What version of Plucker?
d.
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> Interesting review of another competitor on Infosync, iSilo 3.1. The
> three things I notice are: CSS support, real tables, and support for
> reading DOC pdbs and .txt files on a memory card.
iSilo has a totally different userbase and needs. For us, I think
the top things we need to
> I was just oding some work on the mysql tables that are behind the
^
'oding'? Eesh, I can't type. s/oding/doing/
I was just oding some work on the mysql tables that are behind the
bug tracker (bugs.plkr.org), and noticed that there are twenty-two (22) bugs
marked as 'Resolved' in Plucker at the moment, but not 'Closed'.
Can some kind soles check out the bugs marked 'Resolved' in the bug
tra
> i cheked out source from cvs but there is no configure script. using
> 1.1.12 script did not help either.
cvs never should contain static configure scripts, since those are
generated dynamically. You need to run 'sh ./autogen.sh' to generate the
proper configuration and files.
dd.
For those who want to talk to some Plucker users and developers
"real-time", I've set up an irc server for any questions, comments, rants,
patches, new sites to pluck, or whatever.
Security is very important to us, so every user on the server's
domain is hidden, and there's no fe
Thanks to the hard work of Curtis A. Weyant, docs.plkr.org is now
updated with the latest documentation. I will try to automate this in the
very near future to create the docs automagically out of cvs when new docs
are committed.
Great work Curtis!
dd.
> I put http://www.quake2.com/finger/index.html on my Plucker home page,
> and it downloads everything, but the actual finger queries.
"finger" is not http or web, in fact. Plucker doesn't support
"finger" queries.
dd.
> Might be interesting to take a look at this viewer competition...
Very interesting indeed..
I've been thinking a lot about some things related to the direction
of Palm, Plucker's direction, and some other things we're doing. Here's a
quick rundown of some ideas I've been kicki
> One other question along a similar avenue: Some of the databases still
> pop up as applications on my palm as well as being read in the plucker
> database table. Is there a reason for this? Is there a way to make the
> items only show themselves within plucker and not as an app also?
T
I was whacking away at a Pluck for the NewsBlaster site I posted a
day or two ago, and noticed an interesting buglet in "Copy URL" (well two,
one is cosmetic/aesthetic).
Two small screenshots are attached to this message. The first is the
url as seen in the "copy url" form (frmEx
> Does plucker-build know how to handle sites that require cookies?
The current Python parser does not yet understand the management of
cookies as they relate to plucker content. Patches are welcome, however.
[dd]
> How would I go about adding new comics to pluck-comics? I haven't been
> able to find an FAQ on the subject, so I figure it's not so frequently
> asked. :) I also did a quick check of the archives...
Just ask, and one of us will test it out and commit an addition.
[dd]
> I managed to get plucker working on Mac OS X, probably due to the fact
> that I have all sorts of packages installed from GNU-Darwin and fink,
> two Mac OS X-based distribution mechanisms.
As I understand it, it should work natively with MacPython.
> pilot-link may or may not work, I
> Is there an archive of the plucker-dev mailing list that I could search
> before posting dumb questions here?
Yes, the same page where you clicked to subscribe, two sentences
down, there's a link to the offsite mailing list archives.
> Is Plucker supposed to work with Python 1.5.2? I
> I mean, why would a user want to pick a color depth lower than what
> their palm supports?
Or higher.
Yes, I use ScreenPrefs from time to time to change the default
resolution that my Palm displays content at, in all apps, and with Plucker,
I can change that to a higher-than-n
> I like Rob's idea of an exclusion list specifically formatted for
> interesting sites. Shades of SiteScooper!
To add to this, how about parsing the -f argument into a
.$filename[rc] file, so if I decide to use Slashdot, I can then use -f
Slashdot and ~/.plucker/.Slashdot.ex (or some o
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