I should also mention that, that this accept/decline GPL is just for the Windows
installer. In
the Linux RPM, there is just a copy of the GPL in the docs directory, and IIRC an
entry was put
into the .spec file to say the licence is GPL, so that will show up in the package
manager. And
the
On 10 Oct 2002 at 18:29, David A. Desrosiers wrote:
That would be an incorrect assumption. In fact, in my meeting with
the CEO of a company found to be violating the GPL with Plucker source code
(with our FSF-appointed attorney present), I came up with a method, which
was agreed-upon,
I'm sorry, Richard, but I can't pass up pointing out inconsistent
philosophy. the GNU GPL is exactly Digital Restrictions Management.
They are not the same, they are not even the same kind of thing. The
GNU GPL is a copyright-based license. Digital Restrictions Management
is a feature
Dennis McCunney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's not entirely a myth, unfortunately.
Show me the numbers. Real numbers, not the abstract estimates of publishers
associations. Find a particular piece of restricted work and detect a
disturbance in the sales series at the point where an illegally
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This is my first and probably my last word on the subject.
On Saturday, Oct 5, 2002, at 18:56 Australia/Canberra, MJ Ray wrote:
Why does an artist want to cooperate with large corporations and make
criminals out of people who appreciate their
Terence Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is why I disagree with the GPL as well as any DRM schemes, because
it forces authors down a certain path. [...]
You misunderstand the GPL's effect on author's rights. The GPL is only
concerned with guaranteeing all future users the same rights as
Dennis McCunney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But most of the folks I know at the moment are writers, artists, and
musicians trying to make a living out of what is essentially intellectual
property, who are _directly_ hurt by unrestricted sharing of thier
copyrighted work. I'm not concerned about
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Would you disapprove of software which enforced, in some way, the GNU GPL?
The idea is inconceivable, since the point of the GPL is that you CAN
edit the source. But if this were possible, it would not be wrong.
Digital Restrictions Management is wrong because it tries to deny the
public
Bill Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm sorry, Richard, but I can't pass up pointing out inconsistent
philosophy. the GNU GPL is exactly Digital Restrictions Management.
I repeat: the GPL is enforced by the courts, not by software. Surely it is
not even digital?
MJR
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On Mon, Sep 30, 2002, Dennis
On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 06:47:35PM -0700, Bill Janssen wrote:
I call it privacy, myself. Password-protection would also be
interesting, but it's something else. I don't want to have to
remember the passwords for documents.
With Michael addons it is jut a privacy option now.
Overridable.
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I'm sorry, Richard, but I can't pass up pointing out inconsistent
philosophy. the GNU GPL is exactly Digital Restrictions Management.
The only difference is that you believe that the restrictions it
enforces are good, and that some other set of restrictions -- poorly
specified by the phrase
This will hopefully prevent the use of these functions for DRM related
purposes while keeping their intent.
I really wish you would stop calling it DRM, because that's not what
it is. It is encoding a userid into the document header, which much match
the userid on the Palm device
On Mon, Sep 30, 2002 at 08:38:09AM -0400, David A. Desrosiers wrote:
Exactly. If the document does not belong to them, such as my online
financial bank statements, then they have absolutely no reason to see it.
Will you distribute your bank statement to other people?
If you do, you will
I have never used documents with owner ID protection and today when I
tried it out for the first time it didn't work. The zlib uncompress
function fails to uncompress any document that uses the owner ID
protection.
Is that with your updated zlib? It worked here in tests, with b12.
On Wed, Oct 02, 2002, Michael Nordström wrote:
It shouldn't be that complicated to create a desktop tool that can
remove the user ID protection (if you know the used user ID:) and
create an unprotected document.
Actually, all the necessary tools are already available.
$ explode
On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 06:21:58PM +0200, Michael Nordstr?m wrote:
On Wed, Oct 02, 2002, Nicolas Huillard wrote:
Except if a modified version of the viewer uses another kind of key : the
device's serial number, an s/key one-time-password, etc... AND the modified
viewers remains closed
DRM should not exist in any software, or any hardware. DRM is theft!
Would you disapprove of software which enforced, in some way, the GNU GPL?
Bill
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It shouldn't be that complicated to create a desktop tool that can
remove the user ID protection (if you know the used user ID:) and
create an unprotected document.
explode will in fact do that.
Bill
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On Wed, Oct 02, 2002, Guylhem Aznar wrote:
With the FSF, an article on slashdot and a lawsuit, the company will go
down in flames really fast.
The lawsuit part is not that easy unless you have a lot of cash to
spend ;-)
/Mike
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I have never used documents with owner ID protection and today when
I tried it out for the first time it didn't work. The zlib uncompress
function fails to uncompress any document that uses the owner ID
protection. The ultimate share denial implementation, i.e. no one
can use the documents
On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 10:56:18AM +0200, Michael Nordstr?m wrote:
he/she really want to beam the document. Selecting Yes will beam
the document, i.e. we leave the decision in the hands of the user
and not to a setting in the document.
That's excellent. You provide a sufficient protection in
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This will hopefully prevent the use of these functions for DRM related
purposes while keeping their intent.
I really wish you would stop calling it DRM, because that's not what
it is. It is encoding a userid into the document header,
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To summarize, using the owner ID protection as a share denial (DRM)
solution will not work
On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 09:55:33AM +0200, Michael Nordstr?m wrote:
In USA you seem to have a long history of passing laws that protects
the revenue for some companies; in the rest of the world we usually
also take into consideration how we can balance the rights of both
sides (i.e. in this
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Intellectual property is _property_, just as material objects are.
Unfortunately, no. And this is the crux of the problem, in fact.
You cannot say that intellectual property is property, just like a
house, or a boat, or a car. If
Governments should not bother preserving outdated business models.
The problem is that our current govenment is the whipping-boy of the
monopolistic corporations, who basically feed them pre-paid politicians
every year, and the only thing they are preserving is their continued seats
in
On Mon, Sep 30, 2002 at 11:01:45PM -0400, Dennis McCunney wrote:
Shouldn't they be removed altogether? Preveting copy is
encouraging DRM. DRM should be flushed down the toilets.
Won't happen. There are too many folks who are trying to make a living on
intellectual property, and want
Guylhem Aznar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Governments should not bother preserving outdated business models.
Consumers should not encourage outdated business models. Go buy some
copyleft work today.
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That's just protecting privacy. Fine with me. You are not distributing
that doc to other people and removing their freedom to share it.
Exactly. If the document does not belong to them, such as my online
financial bank statements, then
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If it prevents DRM to be implemented and later commercially exploited, it
may have its place.
Impossible, it's Open Source, we can't prevent anyone from doing
anything they want to the code on their own. Just as you can't prevent
someone
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On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 05:53:15PM -0400, David A. Desrosiers wrote
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