Re: [PLUG] Web site URL points to localhost

https://web.archive.org/web/20160922124922/http://krebsonsecurity.com/ is the last internet archive has, from 2016/09/22 (the comments section on the article go to 09/21), so it's up to the last 24 hours or so. On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: > On

Re: [PLUG] Video surveillance

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Ishak Micheil wrote: > I recall this may have been hashed out previously, however the time has > come for me to actually stop reading and begin the work in building it. > > I am looking for basic functionality with recording playback. Remote >

Re: [PLUG] Virtualbox Issue?

What have you tried doing to clean up windows itself? Dump update files and whatnot already? http://www.cnet.com/how-to/delete-windows-update-files-to-regain-hard-drive-space/ On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Dick Steffens wrote: > On 12/01/2015 10:10 AM, Ken Stephens

Re: [PLUG] systemd

On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Denis Heidtmann wrote: > To me, an uninformed and basically ignorant Linux user, this exchange > appears to be an argument (sometimes nasty) between two philosophers. > Because, as is the case in all philosophical arguments, the

Re: [PLUG] Political question re: PLUG recordings

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Michael Dexter wrote: > > Hello all, > > To state the obvious, I have not had time to clean up and post the > various recordings of recent PLUG meetings. > > A company I am working with is willing to do it for acknowledgement that > they

Re: [PLUG] I have no experience with installing Linux, can anyone help?

On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Vedanta Teacher < orevedantateac...@gmail.com> wrote: > > After cursing MS since 1985 (?) I'd finally like to completely drop > all MS products as far as is piratical. > Ya! (The clinic is a great option for your first few setups. ) -Ronabop

Re: [PLUG] TONIGHT: November PLUG Meeting: ownCloud

https://www.google.com/search?q=1930+SW+4thoq=1930+SW+4thaqs=chrome..69i57.10007j0j7sourceid=chromees_sm=122ie=UTF-8 On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Michael Dexter dex...@ambidexter.com wrote: Portland Linux/Unix Group General Meeting Announcement Who: Jesse Bufton What: ownCloud Where:

Re: [PLUG] a RANT, was Re: Ubuntu Long Term Support?

Nice rant. Unfortunately, the self-indulgent, change-hypnotized, aspergers-crippled, new-hardware junkies are the ones *trying* to make things so users can express their needs and desires in everyday, sloppy, inprecise human language, and have those desires translate automatically into an

Re: [PLUG] a RANT, was Re: Ubuntu Long Term Support?

On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Keith Lofstrom kei...@gate.kl-ic.com wrote: In the real world, not the software one, vast change occurs behind standardized interfaces. When I plug in a toaster, it works, regardless of whether the power comes from California or British Columbia, coal plant

[PLUG] Need F/OSS solution for tracking non-profit resources. Google hasn't helped.

Background: Multi-state non-profit needs to get more geeky. They connect vulnerable, and sometimes volatile, folks with aid. http://www.thecupcakegirls.org/ So, I've found a ton of non-profit donor management software, and lots of contact management software (like salesforce), but nothing that

Re: [PLUG] rsync overwrote newer files

On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Robert Citek robert.ci...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.com wrote: ... rsync -avz * salmo:documents/workshop-presentations/nada-talk/ ... What rsync syntax error did I commit? Sounds like you

Re: [PLUG] Hardware Software Interface

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instruction_set might be a good midpoint to start at. Code compiles to very, very, simple instructions, which are derived from a huge legacy of computing... for example, you mentioned electrons (or elections, heh), but I started with paper tape storage, which was later

Re: [PLUG] Virtualbox, Android

http://www.kirsle.net/blog/kirsle/android-4-0-in-virtualbox notes problems with sound, video, screen rotation, apps that are optimized for ARM chips... Interesting find. On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Keith Lofstrom kei...@gate.kl-ic.comwrote: It seems that an Android virtual machine can

Re: [PLUG] scripting CPAN module install.

perl -MCPAN -e 'force install REST::Client' may still fail the tests, but install alternately: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/catalyst/users/17439?do=post_view_threaded might help? -Stabbingawayinthedarktoobop On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Russell Johnson r...@dimstar.net wrote:

Re: [PLUG] Linus is mad at a kernel maintainer

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 9:11 PM, wes p...@the-wes.com wrote: Kernel by committee is essentially how BSD is run. I feel that is the primary, fundamental difference between the Linux world and the BSD world. Linux is grown by a community; BSD is designed by a team. The community contributes

Re: [PLUG] Linus is mad at a kernel maintainer

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Denis Heidtmann denis.heidtm...@gmail.comwrote: I repeat that I do not know the organizational relationships. Are this guys paid or are they volunteers? If they are paid, why not silently fire a guy if he is as incompetent as Linus makes him out to be? Or

Re: [PLUG] attempting to fix a rsync problem - response

This might help...: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5545440 On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 3:19 PM, John Jason Jordan joh...@comcast.netwrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 14:28:11 -0800 website reader website.read...@gmail.com dijo: Does anyone know how to change the .gvfs directory permissions?

Re: [PLUG] Disk usage

# blkid On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Marvin Kosmal mkos...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I have fallen behind in my disk usage knowledge.. So something has happen and I don't quite know how to fix it. My initial problem was that /home was running out of room.. So I created a new directory

Re: [PLUG] Proposal: A PLUG Code of Conduct

Once the sociopath and his overly earnest (or perhaps likewise sociopathic) correspondent realize the room is empty of spectators, they go home. +1. Even if they don't realize it, eventually they tire out. I've gotten in my fair share of useless debates over the years, and the delete key always

Re: [PLUG] Proposal: A PLUG Code of Conduct

I thought that was a Ghandi quote? On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Michael Dexter dex...@ambidexter.comwrote: On 12/7/12 1:08 PM, Paul Heinlein wrote: As it's said in the future, http://www.snorgtees.com/be-excellent-to-each-other Hey, but:

Re: [PLUG] Testing Wired Network Connectivity

So, do linux boxen (as mentioned above) do a who has broadcast if they are looking for an IP outside of their subnet? On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Mike C. mconno...@gmail.com wrote: pedant Two hosts on the same network *segment* (physical, and logical) often don't need routing or

Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu: Testing Wired Network Connectivity

Two hosts on the same ip network don't use any routing protocols. A default gateway is not needed either. pedant Two hosts on the same network *segment* (physical, and logical) often don't need routing or gateways. You can. however, have a large network (or even a small one) that requires a

Re: [PLUG] 5-1/4 Floppy Issue

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 6:20 PM, John Jason Jordan joh...@comcast.net wrote: It is not only possible, but likely. One of the advantages of the (then) new 3-1/2 drives was that they were standardized. The bad old 5-1/4 drives were sometimes 360 MB, Assuming the disk you want to read is for

Re: [PLUG] Any 5-1/4 Floppy Drives Out There?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Epson-SD-800-5-25-and-3-5-Floppy-Drive-Combo-5-Head-cleaning-diskette-/290796542358?pt=US_Floppy_Zip_Jaz_Driveshash=item43b4d31996 (There's some even cheaper at: http://www.ebay.com/sch/Floppy-Zip-Jaz-Drives-/169/i.html ) On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Richard C.

Re: [PLUG] Linux Laptop Reviews

On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.com wrote: On Fri, 19 Oct 2012, Tim Wescott wrote: My Google-Fu fails me. Are there any up-to-date sites that have trustworthy reviews of laptops? Are there any up-to-date sites that have good information on various laptops

Re: [PLUG] Archive search issue

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 6:47 PM, Denis Heidtmann denis.heidtm...@gmail.com wrote: I attempted to search the archives, but received the following message: We're sorry... ... but your computer or network may be sending automated queries. To protect our users, we can't process your request

Re: [PLUG] Strange Google Maps behavior

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Denis Heidtmann denis.heidtm...@gmail.com wrote: I just clicked on Street View near SE 9th and Hawthorne and ended up INSIDE a carpet store. ... Is this the next advertising Google will be presenting us with? Yes, mapping/informing/advertising/etc. See:

Re: [PLUG] a LEAN linux using apt-get or yum

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Bill Barry b...@billbarry.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Normal versions of Debian and Ubuntu fail both ways. Comments? I don't know which normal versions you are talking about, but I always install Debian

Re: [PLUG] a LEAN linux using apt-get or yum

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Don't find a 'server edition' of Debian. Does it exist? How skinny? netinst, minimal (With soundtrack, if you're into that kind of thing..): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO6QxK0FTRI Takes about 1Gb, if you don't get

Re: [PLUG] Flier feedback from the meeting

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Michael Dexter dex...@ambidexter.com wrote: On 7/10/12 6:32 PM, D. Cooper Stevenson wrote: Indeed! Alas, 3 wide in black and white will not do it justice. Challenge accepted: http://cooper.stevenson.name/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/pdx_waterfront_bw.jpg And

Re: [PLUG] Intra-networking inconsistent

On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Richard C. Steffens rst...@comcast.net wrote: I've had a home network for many years. I connect to my wife's Winders 7 machine using Samba. Sometimes the connection works easily, and other times it does not ...(Or, feel free to whack me with said stick

Re: [PLUG] Flier feedback from the meeting

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Joe Niski joeni...@easystreet.net wrote: On 7/6/12 3:02 PM, Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.com wrote: Look at the headline on page 2. Yes, Intel and others provide a lot of capital, but I suspect you meant to describe Portland as an OS capitol. :-) i had

Re: [PLUG] Mac OS X for Linux admin -- server

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Paul Heinlein heinl...@madboa.com wrote: On Wed, 4 Jul 2012, Roderick A. Anderson wrote: The biggest issue right now is the init system. How does Mac OS do it. The Redhat based systems use SysV, init.d, etc. I thought the BSD derivatives used an init.d or rc.d

Re: [PLUG] Mac OS X for Linux admin -- server

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Roderick A. Anderson raander...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/05/2012 10:58 AM, Ronald Chmara wrote: On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Paul Heinleinheinl...@madboa.com wrote: On Wed, 4 Jul 2012, Roderick A. Anderson wrote: The biggest issue right now is the init system

Re: [PLUG] Sorting Text File By Date

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.com wrote:   I have a text file with dates in the common US slash-delimited format of m/d/Y; single digits are not prepended with zeros. The file is in reverse order; that is, today's date is at the top and the earliest data is

Re: [PLUG] Mac Linux Unix Mail

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Keith Lofstrom kei...@kl-ic.com wrote: This is for the Mac/BSD/Unix folks. I'm integrating a Mac into a small pond of Linux machines. For email, the Linux machines run postfix, procmail, spamassassin, and mutt, with postgray on two outwards facing servers.  

Re: [PLUG] PLUG Mailing List Indexed in Google

http://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/ -- !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN HTML   HEAD      titleThe PLUG Archives/title      META NAME=robots CONTENT=noindex,follow -- http://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/2012-January/thread.html -- !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML

Re: [PLUG] background sound

On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Russell Senior russ...@personaltelco.net wrote: dfhubbard == dfhubbard  dfhubb...@freegeek.org writes: dfhubbard This is not a Linux question and may not even be a computer dfhubbard question, but I think I will get better opinions here than dfhubbard anywhere

Re: [PLUG] ISP Changes

On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.com wrote:   After 15 years with Aracnet/SpiritOne I think that I need to change ISPs. I just received a message that within the next couple of weeks there will be changes to DSL subscribers in Frontier Communications land. The

Re: [PLUG] NTSC Video in -- what do I need?

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Richard C. Steffens rst...@comcast.net wrote: What hardware and software do I need to take the output of my VCR and create a digital file that I can then burn to a DVD that will play in the DVD player attached to my TV? I'm thinking about reducing the physical

Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu System Administration

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.com wrote:   As you all know, I'm a Slacker and don't know the fine points of administering a ubuntu system.   Xubuntu-11.10 is now installed on the laptop, but I was not able to set the time zone (no instructions on how to do

Re: [PLUG] RESOLVed: Another slow issue -- Thunderbird sending e-mail

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Richard C. Steffens rst...@comcast.net wrote: This appears to have RESOLVed the problem... Okay, I can't figure out if I should respond to this pun. It has me in a bit of a. bind. -Bop ___ PLUG mailing list

Re: [PLUG] suPHP -- Any Gotchas?

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Richard C. Steffens rst...@comcast.net wrote: SpiritOne will be replacing PHP with suPHP for their Economy Web Hosting accounts. Are there any gotchas I need to worry about? 1. No shared code between users. 2. No optimization of shared code between users (think

Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...blacklists

On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Rob Saul r...@code-gnomemad.org wrote: On 9/28/11 8:13 AM, MJang wrote: The nobel peace prize should not go to an atheist period. http://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/2009-November/066037.html I wasn't going to join in this general fracas until I was

[PLUG] Mail Filters

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Brent Jones br...@servuhome.net wrote: Snip_ I don't post often, but read frequently. Lately, have been considering the 'reading' part as well, this nonsense is just comical and unnecessary. For the sake of humanity, please stop posting these ridiculous

Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu 10.04 and lots of missing links question

On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 3:51 PM, logical american website.read...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone else noticed this, or is it just my system?  I am running a 64 bit version of Ubuntu 10.04 lucid edition of linux.  While using the recursive grep command on the /usr folder, I noticed a lot of No such

Re: [PLUG] Using DNS information to close smtp port...

On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Michael C. Robinson plu...@robinson-west.com wrote: Well, the DNS checking is increasing my rejection rate.  Figuring out if I'm blocking at the right times is another issue.  Is there ever a situation where a PTR record that doesn't resolve back to the IP you

Re: [PLUG] The problem with DNS blacklists...

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Michael C. Robinson plu...@robinson-west.com wrote: 1)  How do I pick one where the expectation is that I will almost always block the spammers? Age, reputation, match with task goals? I like spamhaus, YMMV. 2)  How do I use them from a Perl script working

Re: [PLUG] Easily convert ip string...

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 8:50 PM, someone plu...@robinson-west.com wrote: to a binary number so I can put the addresses in a binary tree. I have extracted from an mbox file full of spam the originating IP address. I need to convert these strings which are in decimal form to binary numbers.

Re: [PLUG] Solaris Mailing List Resources, Long Term Future, etc.

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 8:48 PM, MJang m...@linuxexam.com wrote: Folks, I've been experimenting with Solaris 11 Express lately, and would appreciate suggestions on mailing lists that anyone here has found useful. No idea. I stopped working on it about 5 years ago, as that was the last time I

Re: [PLUG] Blu-Ray nonsense...

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Daniel Pittman dan...@rimspace.net wrote: On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 03:00, Michael C. Robinson plu...@robinson-west.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-08-02 at 01:57 -0700, Vincent L. Damewood wrote: On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Michael C. Robinson

Re: [PLUG] Confused about multi core

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Robert Munro ramu...@speakeasy.net wrote: On Fri 29 Jul 2011 08:59:57 -0700 (PDT) Michael C. Robinson wrote: Robert Munro wrote: The easiest way to see if it's single-threaded, and whether the CPU is a bottleneck, is to install a visual monitor. There a

[PLUG] Monitoring with nagios, and current front ends.

http://www.ubuntugeek.com/nagios-configuration-tools-web-frontends-or-gui.html seems to have *bunches* of possibilities for config tools (and people who have tried to manage nagios via CLI know why), so I'm wondering if anybody's recently taken a look at this issue and can offer up some informed

Re: [PLUG] New System Setup

On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Kirk Goins kirkgo...@gmail.com wrote: I asked sometime ago about what distribution I should use for a small FTP and sometimes small Web Server.  I had a Mandrake 8.x system but the file system wasn't letting me deal with multiple GB files like DVD iso images. So

Re: [PLUG] New System Setup

On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:24 PM, John Jason Jordan joh...@comcast.net wrote: With any fresh install of Ubuntu you will have very few packages available. That is because they ship Ubuntu with most of the repositories disabled. Go into System Administration Software Sources and enable the

Re: [PLUG] Web site

On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Dan Young danielmyo...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Randal L. Schwartz mer...@stonehenge.com wrote: On FreeBSD, it's /usr/local/etc/rc.d/apache22 reload, which does a soft reload rather than a hard server down-up cycle.  Might be something

Re: [PLUG] on-topic ... but time wasting

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 3:33 PM, glen e. p. ropella g...@tempusdictum.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 the Bizarre Cathedral http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/files/www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/nodes/3541/strip.jpg http://xkcd.com/149/

Re: [PLUG] Regression Testing and library versions

On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 11:39 PM, Keith Lofstrom kei...@kl-ic.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 03:47:43PM -0700, Tim wrote: I haven't read the entire (verbose) thread on this topic, but one thing I'd like to point out if someone else hasn't: Using multiple versions of the same library

Re: [PLUG] libgd, php website hack, etc.

On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Joe Shisei Niski joeni...@easystreet.net wrote: On 03/26/2011 07:39 PM, Keith Lofstrom wrote: PHP, the public bathhouse orgy of programming languages that's the funniest (and most apt) description of PHP i've ever seen. Thanks for the laugh! It made me laugh

Re: [PLUG] Internet addictions and technology

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Tim tim-pdx...@sentinelchicken.org wrote: Nothing you do will be 100%, unless you unplug from the net. So. you need to decide how much risk you are willing to take. Yes, and in fact there are some academic papers out there that establish this pretty

Re: [PLUG] UPS is beeping sporadically

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 6:16 AM, Paul Heinlein heinl...@madboa.com wrote: On Wed, 26 Jan 2011, Rich Shepard wrote: On Wed, 26 Jan 2011, John Jason Jordan wrote: So I guess I do need a repair place. Any suggestions?   Northwest Battery Supply   3750 SE Belmont   Portland, OR 97214   (503)

Re: [PLUG] Database Backends for Perl Applications

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:56 AM, Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.com wrote:   On CPAN I see that I can download DBD-Pg or a bundle that has modules for a variety of database backends. If the only dbms used by a perl application here is postgres, can I safely delete the ../Bundle/DBD/

Re: [PLUG] Step away from the PHP

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.com wrote: On Mon, 25 Jan 2010, Tim wrote: A warning for those PHP developers and app maintainers who aren't on the security mailing lists:   Does PHP stand for Pretty Heavy Problems? Programming Has Problems Any

Re: [PLUG] Step away from the PHP

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.com wrote: On Wed, 27 Jan 2010, Ronald Chmara wrote: Any sufficiently dumbed down, easy to implement, solution creates an inversely equal level of problems in actual use.   Oh. Like all the visual languages such as Visual Basic

Re: [PLUG] Linus Torvalds for Nobel Peace Prize

When it turns out that their low-budget development of the country of Luxembourg isn't really technically Scandinavian, they will simply redefine the term Scandinavian. In a drastic effort to try and get back on topic, anyone played with Linux Mint? Is it basically just a shortcut to get more

Re: [PLUG] Regular time

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Eric Wilhelm enoba...@gmail.com wrote: Forget for a second that it is ridiculous for an internet-connected computer to ask a human for the time of day... How about Forget for a second that it is ridiculous for an internet-connected computer to ask a human for

Re: [PLUG] Is mac linux/unix-y enough to ask about here?

Mac's are *nix-y boxen, however, support and help for Macs might be better on dedicated Mac lists. On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Russell Johnson ru...@dimstar.net wrote: However, I consider it *U*nixy enough. $ uname -a Darwin rainier.dimstar.net 9.7.0 Darwin Kernel Version 9.7.0: Tue Mar

Re: [PLUG] Parallel port under Xen

Reversing the problem, let's say I'm a vendor who (boo!) licenses software on a per-cpu basis. How would I prevent a Xen user from taking a one CPU license, and replicating it to 8 different DomU, single CPU, instances, all running off of the same dongle, on an 8 core machine? I'd probably bind

Re: [PLUG] Trimming PostScript Bounding Box

On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.comwrote: On Sat, 18 Apr 2009, Russell Senior wrote: I seem to remember that gv (ghostview) shows you the x,y coordinates of the mouse pointer. We used that feature as a cheap-ass digitizing mechanism to capture geometry

Re: [PLUG] UPS Advice needed

On Mar 16, 2009, at 9:59 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote: On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:35:21 -0700 m0gely m0g...@gmail.com dijo: 1500VA for one desktop and a laptop? Is there a reason you need such a long runtime? Yes, in case the power goes out I can shut down the desktop and still be able to work