Re: [PLUG] looking for secure space for a mail server

2018-06-23 Thread King Beowulf
On 06/15/2018 04:32 PM, logical american wrote: > Hi all: > > I've been quoted $263/month for a small locked cabinet (15U) space with > 1 power plug 110v AC and a business class internet connection. > > Is this price typical? > > I am looking for Vancouver WA first, then Portland OR second. This

Re: [PLUG] looking for secure space for a mail server

2018-06-21 Thread Michael Rasmussen
On 2018-06-21 09:24, Michael Barnes wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 7:41 AM, Michael Rasmussen wrote: On 2018-06-20 16:48, logical american wrote: On Jun 18, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Michael Rasmussen wrote: To stress "As others have suggested, you may be able to use a VM" - at my final job befo

Re: [PLUG] looking for secure space for a mail server

2018-06-21 Thread Michael Barnes
On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 7:41 AM, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > On 2018-06-20 16:48, logical american wrote: > >> On Jun 18, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Michael Rasmussen wrote: To stress "As others have suggested, you may be able to use a VM" - at my final job before retirement (Large bank

Re: [PLUG] looking for secure space for a mail server

2018-06-21 Thread Michael Rasmussen
On 2018-06-20 16:48, logical american wrote: On Jun 18, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Michael Rasmussen wrote: To stress "As others have suggested, you may be able to use a VM" - at my final job before retirement (Large bank, Fortune 500, etc) everything possible was migrated to in-house VMs. I want to

Re: [PLUG] looking for secure space for a mail server

2018-06-20 Thread logical american
On Jun 18, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Michael Rasmussen wrote: To stress "As others have suggested, you may be able to use a VM" - at my final job before retirement (Large bank, Fortune 500, etc) everything possible was migrated to in-house VMs. I want to say mail services were an early migration. I

Re: [PLUG] looking for secure space for a mail server

2018-06-18 Thread Daniel Johnson
You can just split the cost with other people. $17.54 a U. Might go up if you put in enough equipment to need custom power or something. On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 3:05 PM Ben Koenig wrote: > Running a physical server has advantages in all areas. Randall didn't > actually mention his use case. Does

Re: [PLUG] looking for secure space for a mail server

2018-06-18 Thread Ben Koenig
Running a physical server has advantages in all areas. Randall didn't actually mention his use case. Does anyone know of any such services in the area? It could be anything from security, government regulations, performance, and even education. Don't assume you know what he is looking for without

Re: [PLUG] looking for secure space for a mail server

2018-06-18 Thread Daniel Johnson
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 1:50 PM Tomas Kuchta wrote: > I have heard that security versus physical HW in colo argument so many > times. > > In my opinion, a padlock is way less secure than well implemented crypto. > > The only security benefit I see from physical HW would be hosting it on > premises

Re: [PLUG] looking for secure space for a mail server

2018-06-18 Thread Louis Kowolowski
On Jun 18, 2018, at 3:49 PM, Tomas Kuchta wrote: > > I have heard that security versus physical HW in colo argument so many > times. > > In my opinion, a padlock is way less secure than well implemented crypto. > Depends on your threat vector :-) Also, "well implemented crypto" seems to be a s

Re: [PLUG] looking for secure space for a mail server

2018-06-18 Thread Tomas Kuchta
I have heard that security versus physical HW in colo argument so many times. In my opinion, a padlock is way less secure than well implemented crypto. The only security benefit I see from physical HW would be hosting it on premises - if your threat vector is suponea. Both VM or HW in colo can be

Re: [PLUG] looking for secure space for a mail server

2018-06-18 Thread Louis Kowolowski
> On Jun 18, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > > To stress "As others have suggested, you may be able to use a VM" - at my > final job before retirement (Large bank, Fortune 500, etc) everything > possible was migrated to in-house VMs. > I want to say mail services were an early m

Re: [PLUG] looking for secure space for a mail server

2018-06-18 Thread Michael Rasmussen
To stress "As others have suggested, you may be able to use a VM" - at my final job before retirement (Large bank, Fortune 500, etc) everything possible was migrated to in-house VMs. I want to say mail services were an early migration. In any case, the entire mail infrastructure was run on virtu

Re: [PLUG] looking for secure space for a mail server

2018-06-18 Thread Louis Kowolowski
What requirements are leading to the physical space? As others have suggested, you may be able to use a VM, which could be much cheaper ($5/10/mo perhaps). If you do need space for a physical machine, that doesn't sound too unreasonable (depending on where you're looking, you may be able to find

Re: [PLUG] looking for secure space for a mail server

2018-06-16 Thread Tomas Kuchta
I would also encourage you to look for virtual machine - it is easier, the choice is excellent and it is portable - you can move if you need to far easier. About your original question - the price you were quoted looks OK to me. 15U is huge - it would fit pretty sizable setup such as 14x 1U 2xCPU,

Re: [PLUG] looking for secure space for a mail server

2018-06-15 Thread Michael Rasmussen
On 2018-06-15 16:32, logical american wrote: Hi all: I've been quoted $263/month for a small locked cabinet (15U) space with 1 power plug 110v AC and a business class internet connection. Is this price typical? I am looking for Vancouver WA first, then Portland OR second. This is my very first

[PLUG] looking for secure space for a mail server

2018-06-15 Thread logical american
Hi all: I've been quoted $263/month for a small locked cabinet (15U) space with 1 power plug 110v AC and a business class internet connection. Is this price typical? I am looking for Vancouver WA first, then Portland OR second. This is my very first time in trying to locate space for a small