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Kachold
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Subject: Re: OT: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Administ
I think that credit goes to Woody !
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Zeidner
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:55 PM
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Subject: Re: Politics/Ethics:
http://security-sh3ll.blogspot.com/2009/08/cross-protocol-xss-with-non-standard.html
“…Education is everything to our children’s future…To really compete,
[Americans] need to graduate high school, and then they need to
graduate college, and they probably need a graduate degree too.”
--President B
I believe I have read your excellent posts. Blunt is good!
On 8/31/09, Technomage wrote:
> Lisa Kachold wrote:
>> Context is lost in email; often the process of tracking through
>> incorrect assumptions via limited information provided in PLUG list
>> email requires communication skills that mig
Mother to small child, "Do you want to wear the red pajamas or the
blue pajamas".
Child does not notice they don't want to go to bed at all.
On 8/31/09, keith smith wrote:
>
> Everyone has a cellular. Write down your congressman's & reps... to include
> everyone who represents your area - city,
WooHoo PHONE WARZ!
Scorebored:
iPhone -1
Nokia N 1
On 8/31/09, Lisa Kachold wrote:
> Yes, I want one also!
>
> On 8/31/09, Benjamin Francom wrote:
>> I've been keeping an eye on the Nokia N8x series of devices since they
>> run Linux. They will be releasing the n900 soon, and it looks rea
Yes, I want one also!
On 8/31/09, Benjamin Francom wrote:
> I've been keeping an eye on the Nokia N8x series of devices since they
> run Linux. They will be releasing the n900 soon, and it looks really
> interesting.
>
> From Wikipedia:
>
> "The Nokia N900 is Nokia's next Maemo device, supersedi
Political discussions, ethical discussions are common in Linux User
Groups, usually a dedicated section or LIST is provided for such at
least in my experience.
On 8/31/09, David Huerta wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Dorian Monroe wrote:
>> In defense of Ryan, the idea that only landown
How do we get that bill introduced?
On 8/31/09, Robert Holtzman wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 05:16:39PM -0700, Austin William Wright wrote:
>> Jason Spatafore wrote:
>> > Give me direct vote on all laws that are presented to Congress. That is
>> > all I ask. Until then, this conversation is p
Joseph,
Linux has a reputation for being difficult.
A large presentation, with LOUD music, showing how easy a notebook
install is, perhaps a youtube-style video looped for all people
walking by would be great.
No more than 8 minutes (fast forwarded and edited vid) - good graphics
and good music.
Well with such a publicized event, we are all sitting ducks.
Local network TRUST is important.
I can't ensure that each of you are not rolling around with guests or
that these packets didn't originate with blind students (using
accommodations) already in place on that network.
They could also be
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 05:16:39PM -0700, Austin William Wright wrote:
> Jason Spatafore wrote:
> > Give me direct vote on all laws that are presented to Congress. That is
> > all I ask. Until then, this conversation is pretty much over. It's going
> > to be a constant republican vs. democrat vs. i
On 8/31/09, Jason Spatafore wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 17:16 -0700, Austin William Wright wrote:
>> These additional powers being granted to the executive branch must be
>> stopped at all costs. We have already seen what happens when we give
>> the
>> president the (unconstitutional) power to
Robert Holtzman wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Aug 2009, Ryan Rix wrote:
>
>> I was making fun of the original statement of the declaration of
>> independence "all men are created equal" in that women, african
>> americans, poor people, etc, simply did not count. Sorry if anyone took
>> it other than a joke
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote:
> Quite true!
>
> If I can't abide long winded discussions on how to Gnome-keyring or
> another 10 step process well documented on Ubuntu and Fedora boards, I
> simply don't open them!
>
> There is also an OT version of the mail thread created by
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009, Ryan Rix wrote:
> I was making fun of the original statement of the declaration of
> independence "all men are created equal" in that women, african americans,
> poor people, etc, simply did not count. Sorry if anyone took it other than a
> joke as was obviously the case... :(
Quite true!
If I can't abide long winded discussions on how to Gnome-keyring or
another 10 step process well documented on Ubuntu and Fedora boards, I
simply don't open them!
There is also an OT version of the mail thread created by Ryan Rix.
The thread took 44 responses, and good ideas were bro
I actually just scored a couple of Pre's from ebay and reprogrammed to
bring over to verizon. In the process, I realized Verizon's data plans
are ridiculously over-priced compared to Sprint for their "everything
data family" plan (~$80 more than sprint for comparable plan), so now
I'm debating whe
keith smith wrote:
> Here it is. Thanks!
>
> Also log shows this about 10 times
>
> [Mon Aug 31 18:30:09 2009] [warn] RSA server certificate CommonName (CN)
> `newcart.dev' does NOT match server name!?
What CommonName (CN) did you use when you generated the certificate request?
What does the
Made those three changes and now FireFox says
Secure Connection Failed
newcart.dev uses an invalid security certificate.
The certificate is not trusted because it is self signed.
(Error code: sec_error_untrusted_issuer)
---
I added an exception to FireFox and now it works!
Thanks to ever
On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:50 PM, keith smith wrote:
Here it is. Thanks!
Also log shows this about 10 times
[Mon Aug 31 18:30:09 2009] [warn] RSA server certificate CommonName
(CN) `newcart.dev' does NOT match server name!?
DocumentRoot "/work/dev/newcart.dev"
ServerName newcart.dev:443
Here it is. Thanks!
Also log shows this about 10 times
[Mon Aug 31 18:30:09 2009] [warn] RSA server certificate CommonName (CN)
`newcart.dev' does NOT match server name!?
DocumentRoot "/work/dev/newcart.dev"
ServerName newcart.dev:443
ErrorLog logs/ssl_error_log
TransferLog logs
Don't let the email hit you in the butt
Sorry I couldn't resist.
You could have ignored the thread, it's pretty much a warning with the topic
POLITICS/ETHICS
_
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[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf
Alex Dean wrote:
>
> On Aug 31, 2009, at 7:08 PM, keith smith wrote:
>
>> openssl s_client -showcerts
>>
>> returns
>>
>> connect: Connection refused
>> connect:errno=29
>>
>
> no idea on that one.
>
>>
>> and when I try to access the site with https I get
>>
>>
>> Secure Connection Failed
>>
>
Here we go again. Can you guys please exercise some restraint before
posting political messages (or any other widely off-topic message) to
a Linux list? You're not going to change anyone's mind, this is not a
political debate forum and, while this may seem curt, no one cares
what your opini
Unfortunately, this is what it is turning into:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8Q-sRdV7SY&NR=1&feature=fvwp
lyle
At 05:48 PM 8/31/2009, you wrote:
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Bob Elzer wrote:
> Since you don't own land now, doesn't mean you might not in the future. In
> another sense we
On Aug 31, 2009, at 7:08 PM, keith smith wrote:
openssl s_client -showcerts
returns
connect: Connection refused
connect:errno=29
no idea on that one.
and when I try to access the site with https I get
Secure Connection Failed
An error occurred during a connection to newcart.dev.
SSL
On Aug 31, 2009, at 7:16 PM, Austin William Wright wrote:
Democracy is nothing but tyranny of the majority. I was walking
through
Boston recently, and coming to the Holocaust memorial I saw a quote, a
common variation of which goes as follows:
First they came for the Jews
and I did not spea
On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 17:16 -0700, Austin William Wright wrote:
> These additional powers being granted to the executive branch must be
> stopped at all costs. We have already seen what happens when we give
> the
> president the (unconstitutional) power to declare war. Do your
> research
> on the b
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Bob Elzer wrote:
> Since you don't own land now, doesn't mean you might not in the future. In
> another sense we do all own land. USA is our land.
my contribution to this thread: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaI5IRuS2aE
-jmz
>
> So we all have the right to
Good feedback Austin!
I have become increasingly involved in politics lately. Through this process I
have come to discover that the only way we will stay free is if we read the
Federalist Papers to get an idea of what the Founding Fathers wanted and
intended of the Constitution.
We must read
Jason Spatafore wrote:
> Give me direct vote on all laws that are presented to Congress. That is
> all I ask. Until then, this conversation is pretty much over. It's going
> to be a constant republican vs. democrat vs. independent debate that
> constantly occurs every single day.
>
> Just give me
openssl s_client -showcerts
returns
connect: Connection refused
connect:errno=29
and when I try to access the site with https I get
Secure Connection Failed
An error occurred during a connection to newcart.dev.
SSL received a record with an unknown content type.
(Error code: ssl_error_rx_
You can do it the hard way with openssl commands.
Or you can simply:
# cd /etc/pki/tls/certs
# make mycert.pem
See the Makefile there for details.
Then point your apache configuration to use the cert you created.
keith smith wrote:
> Yes a self-signed certificate.
>
> Thank you!
>
> ---
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009, David Huerta wrote:
> With ammo prices being what they are now, maybe a small box of .45mm?
oohhh -- needle gun flechette ammo, straight out of Dickson's
Dorsai series
-- Russ herrold
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On Aug 31, 2009, at 4:30 PM, keith smith wrote:
Where do I want to put these files?
In /etc/httpd/conf.d ?
and then I will need to setup the virtual host to use port 443 in
the ssl.conf ? Correct?
You can put them wherever you want. Reference them with
SSLCertificateKeyFile and SSLCer
Charles Jones wrote:
> On 8/31/09 1:32 PM, "David Huerta" wrote:
>> I've been anxiously looking forward to the n900; The prospect of a
>> mobile browser with Flash support will be awesome for making iPhone
>> users jealous.
>
> The n900 seems cool. I have a jailbroken iPhone and honestly I have
Over time you will learn to be patient grasshopper.
lol
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[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Ryan Rix
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:02 PM
To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Sub
On 08/30/2009 01:33 PM, Technomage wrote:
> Of course, we cannot DEMAND that the developers fix these problems
Sure you can. Buy a commercially supported distro like Red Hat
Enterprise Linux. Red Hat has hired many of the "top guns" in the OSS
community so they can work on that stuff.
> (as
> t
On 8/31/09 1:32 PM, "David Huerta" wrote:
> I've been anxiously looking forward to the n900; The prospect of a
> mobile browser with Flash support will be awesome for making iPhone
> users jealous.
The n900 seems cool. I have a jailbroken iPhone and honestly I have no
desire for flash support, as
On 08/27/2009 09:42 PM, Ryan Rix wrote:
> Jim March wrote:
>> Osama Yo Mama uses terrorbytes!
>>
>> Ah!
>
> Oh, uhm... I agree...?
>
> To put things back on firm earth and on-topicness... Why on earth would
> Linus even waste his time on trying to get this much memory addressed in the
> kernel?
Bob Elzer wrote:
> By then maybe the 901 or 902, which will have even more capabilities for
> you to look forward to.
>
> And time to save money for the hopefully dropping price :)
>
But, but... I want my goodies now :)
I really wanted to get a Palm Pre, because I'm a palm whore and it's a
By then maybe the 901 or 902, which will have even more capabilities for you
to look forward to.
And time to save money for the hopefully dropping price :)
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[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Be
I have an N810, and while it lacks the N900's phone capabilities (among
other things), it's a powerful little device. Nokia's line of Internet
Tablets is actually *really* cool, they're handy little gadgets. For
awhile I used mine more than my actual desktop and laptop computers. The
N900 is bo
Fail :/ I'm a Verizon-slave for the next two years :(
Ryan
Bob Elzer wrote:
> Call features
>
> * Integrated hands-free stereo speakers
> * Call waiting, call hold, call divert
> * Call timer
> * Logging of dialed, received and missed calls
> * Speed dialing via contact widg
Oops and this
Operating frequency
* Quad-band GSM EDGE 850/900/1800/1900
* WCDMA 900/1700/2100 MHz
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Sent: Monday, August 31, 200
Call features
* Integrated hands-free stereo speakers
* Call waiting, call hold, call divert
* Call timer
* Logging of dialed, received and missed calls
* Speed dialing via contact widget
* Virbrating alert (internal)
* Side volume keys
* Mute/unmute
* Contacts
Here's another page http://www.tc.umn.edu/~brams006/selfsign.html
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[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of keith
smith
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 1:37 PM
To: Main PLUG discussion list
S
Where do I want to put these files?
In /etc/httpd/conf.d ?
and then I will need to setup the virtual host to use port 443 in the ssl.conf
? Correct?
Keith Smith
--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Alex Dean wrote:
> From: Alex Dean
> Subject: Re: configure a test SSL
> To: "Ma
--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Nathan England wrote:
> From: Nathan England
> Subject: Re: configure a test SSL
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list"
> Cc: "Keith Smith"
> Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 1:47 PM
> On Monday 31 August 2009 01:37:03 pm
> keith smith wrote:
> >
> > Hi I am running
> >
> >
David Huerta wrote:
>
> With ammo prices being what they are now, maybe a small box of .45mm?
>
> As far as the phone's overall price though, that's likely to be
> subsidized by a carrier's contract, which can sometimes knock off most
> of the phone's MSRP. Give away the razor, sell the blades..
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Jim March<1.jim.ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You're willing to spend $700+ just to freak out iPhone owners?
>
> Umm...yeah...you know how AMMO $700 would score?
>
> :)
With ammo prices being what they are now, maybe a small box of .45mm?
As far as the phone's overall
David Huerta wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Benjamin Francom
> wrote:
>> I've been keeping an eye on the Nokia N8x series of devices since they
>> run Linux. They will be releasing the n900 soon, and it looks really
>> interesting.
>>
>> From Wikipedia:
>>
>> "The Nokia N900 is Nokia's
You're willing to spend $700+ just to freak out iPhone owners?
Umm...yeah...you know how AMMO $700 would score?
:)
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Yes foreigners owning land should be allowed to vote. When they become
American citizens. :)
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[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Lyle
Tuttle
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 10:08 AM
To: dorian.mon...@cox.n
Since you don't own land now, doesn't mean you might not in the future. In
another sense we do all own land. USA is our land.
So we all have the right to vote on property issues.
It's not that they have nothing to lose, they have everything to gain as
everyone should.
_
From: plug-d
On Monday 31 August 2009 01:37:03 pm keith smith wrote:
>
> Hi I am running
>
> Fedora Core 5 (I know it is a little old)
> Apache/2.2.0
>
> Local.
>
> I would like to setup a test SSL on my server that is on a private IP and
> used for testing.
>
> Is there a way to configure a test SSL?
>
At 01:28 PM 8/31/2009, AZ RUNE wrote:
This is a sad day indeed
Dittos! What integrity we seem to have, huh?
There just weren't that many folks there to do this kind of
thing...and as a 'newbie', presentations are fine, but just not the
same as the real thing
Seems to me like that's a
Yes a self-signed certificate.
Thank you!
Keith Smith
--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Alex Dean wrote:
> From: Alex Dean
> Subject: Re: configure a test SSL
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list"
> Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 1:39 PM
>
> On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:37 PM, keith smit
On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:37 PM, keith smith wrote:
Hi I am running
Fedora Core 5 (I know it is a little old)
Apache/2.2.0
Local.
I would like to setup a test SSL on my server that is on a private
IP and used for testing.
Is there a way to configure a test SSL?
You mean like a self-signed
Hi I am running
Fedora Core 5 (I know it is a little old)
Apache/2.2.0
Local.
I would like to setup a test SSL on my server that is on a private IP and used
for testing.
Is there a way to configure a test SSL?
Thanks in advance!
Keith Smith
---
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Benjamin Francom wrote:
> I've been keeping an eye on the Nokia N8x series of devices since they
> run Linux. They will be releasing the n900 soon, and it looks really
> interesting.
>
> From Wikipedia:
>
> "The Nokia N900 is Nokia's next Maemo device, superseding
I've been keeping an eye on the Nokia N8x series of devices since they
run Linux. They will be releasing the n900 soon, and it looks really
interesting.
>From Wikipedia:
"The Nokia N900 is Nokia's next Maemo device, superseding the N810,
expected to become available in late 2009. Unlike its Inte
Lyle Tuttle wrote:
> At 10:31 PM 8/30/2009, Ryan Rix wrote:
>
>> > I think only land oners should have the right to vote. I do not own
>> > anything so I would not get to vote.
>>
>>White land owning men? :P
>
>
> Ryan, I love 'ya, but:
>
> As a fat, white, land owner, Country Club Member & a
EEK -
Everyone will be issued a digital certificate with a SSN.
Anyone with a SSN/cert will be required to VOTE in order to continue
to work (via online tabulation).
All people must complete a minimum of education related to economic,
political, social and health systems before VOTING. These incl
This is a sad day indeed
On Aug 31, 2009 11:10 AM, "Lisa Kachold" wrote:
I finally got moved in after all the new townhouse repairs and have
sorted out and evaluated all the technical details from the past two
hackfests at the Foundation for Blind Children.
I have found:
1) Multiple successful
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009, James Finstrom wrote:
> I think only land owners should be allowed to vote on "property tax" and
> other property related issues. I do not own land but if I did I would find
> it silly that someone who had nothing to lose could vote to vote on land
> issues.
Since the cost of
I finally got moved in after all the new townhouse repairs and have
sorted out and evaluated all the technical details from the past two
hackfests at the Foundation for Blind Children.
I have found:
1) Multiple successful exploits against my own equipment (4 prior
Hackfests starting from the firs
On Sun, 30 Aug 2009, Ryan Rix wrote:
> mike havens wrote:
>
>> I think only land oners should have the right to vote. I do not own
>> anything so I would not get to vote.
>
> White land owning men? :P
Welcome to the 18th century.
--
Bob Holtzman
Key ID: 8D549279
"If you think you're getting fre
CITIZENS who own land should only vote
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Lyle Tuttle wrote:
> At 08:49 AM 8/31/2009, you wrote:
>
> In defense of Ryan, the idea that only landowners should be allowed to vote
> is so absurd that many would consider that "racist". I took Ryan's reply to
> be mer
did you write this?
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Josef Lowder wrote:
> How can we make the case *for* Linux more effective?
>
> http://www.vsiq.com/soapbox
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How can we make the case *for* Linux more effective?
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On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Dorian Monroe wrote:
> In defense of Ryan, the idea that only landowners should be allowed to vote
> is so absurd that many would consider that "racist". I took Ryan's reply to
> be merely mocking the ignorance (and racist undertone) that only landowners
> shoul
At 08:49 AM 8/31/2009, you wrote:
In defense of Ryan, the idea that only landowners should be allowed
to vote is so absurd that many would consider that "racist". I took
Ryan's reply to be merely mocking the ignorance (and racist
undertone) that only landowners should be given the right to
vo
I don't think it's beside the point. If it's technically impossible to
snoop email, then snooping email becomes moot. It's a matter of
enforcement, and making something impossible to do is effective enforcement.
pgp can certainly be done, but I wouldn't call it extremely easy. If it
were extrem
On Aug 31, 2009, at 10:46 AM, James Finstrom wrote:
I saw a deal on one of real tv's video shows where these kids took
over a university cafiteria for 2 days to protest something and as
soon as the threat of arrest came they all split. Unfortunately
although college kids are often excitabl
I think only land owners should be allowed to vote on "property tax" and
other property related issues. I do not own land but if I did I would find
it silly that someone who had nothing to lose could vote to vote on land
issues.
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Dorian Monroe wrote:
> In defense o
In defense of Ryan, the idea that only landowners should be allowed to vote is
so absurd that many would consider that "racist". I took Ryan's reply to be
merely mocking the ignorance (and racist undertone) that only landowners should
be given the right to vote. Since we're pointing fingers an
Like anything else, email privacy depends on context. I certainly am not
going to bother with "secure" email if I'm sending said email to a public
email list. Point-to-point security is extremely easy with straight-up pgp
encryption. Trying to handle secure email in a glorified dark net is a
who
I saw a deal on one of real tv's video shows where these kids took over a
university cafiteria for 2 days to protest something and as soon as the
threat of arrest came they all split. Unfortunately although college kids
are often excitable sheep who act on mob mentalities and do whatever is
popular
Civil disobedience is a pretty extreme measure. We're still able to
protest, etc. If this continues for 20 years and we still get no luv, then
civil disobedience may be the only way, and that means some of us are going
to jail. We would be breaking the law, after all. Luckily, by then there
wil
I've always wondered about people who complain about email privacy, yet
use a gmail address.
For starters, what if the technically competent were to set up and use
email servers that were configured to use TLS whenever it's available.
Some servers are already configured for this. Wouldn't that
At 10:31 PM 8/30/2009, Ryan Rix wrote:
> I think only land oners should have the right to vote. I do not own
> anything so I would not get to vote.
White land owning men? :P
Ryan, I love 'ya, but:
As a fat, white, land owner, Country Club Member & a Republican, I
find this very offensive.
Letters, faxes, phone calls, rally's, town hall meetings
Keith Smith
--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Lisa Kachold wrote:
> From: Lisa Kachold
> Subject: Re: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Administration Seeks
> Emergency Control of the Internet
> To: phrkonale...@g
Back to the regulation of information?
We don't get to vote on this, we defrayed that when we voted.
What choices do we have now? Civil disobedience?
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Ryan Rix wrote:
> mike havens wrote:
>
>> I think only land oners should have the right to vote. I do not own
>
I say no to any tests or qualifications to vote other than one must be here
legally. No tax requirement or test to qualify.
Keith Smith
--- On Sun, 8/30/09, James Lee Bell wrote:
> From: James Lee Bell
> Subject: Re: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Adminis
Everyone has a cellular. Write down your congressman's & reps... to include
everyone who represents your area - city, county, state, fed, on your way to
work call their office. On your way home call their office. If each one of us
made one or two calls a day we would overwhelm them.
---
Lisa Kachold wrote:
> Context is lost in email; often the process of tracking through
> incorrect assumptions via limited information provided in PLUG list
> email requires communication skills that might seem arrogant and
> short, however everyone happily jumps into help, even competing to get
> t
I've always been against information farming without consent. I'm far less
concerned about what will be done with the information today, since I
consider myself a well-adjusted and lawful individual. But what happens in
20 years when societal norms have changed and someone digs up my info to
find
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