Re: [NF] OS Recalls, was: The Ultimate Vista Upgrade

2007-02-07 Thread Chet Gardiner
Adam Smith on "the invisible hand": But there are many misconceptions about the invisible hand, starting with the belief that Smith himself was a absolute believer in it. In fact, he was not. Smith actually viewed merchants with great suspicion: /"People of the same trade seldom meet together,

RE: [NF] OS Recalls, was: The Ultimate Vista Upgrade

2007-02-06 Thread Ken Dibble
> >The reality in the business world is a machine's useful life is way longer >than what operating >system manufacturers are supporting from a security patch perspective. The >built in obsolescence is >not hardware, it is the OS, and it is not that the OS is not working and >providing hardware

Re: [NF] OS Recalls, was: The Ultimate Vista Upgrade

2007-02-06 Thread Ted Roche
On 2/6/07, Rick Schummer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Agreed Michael, but as users we all have choice over accepting and not > accepting updates to the OS. > Same with upgrades. I just want the choice to be extended longer than what we > get today with respect > to patches to existing operating s

RE: [NF] OS Recalls, was: The Ultimate Vista Upgrade

2007-02-06 Thread Bill Arnold
Several times over the years I've wagged this dog, trying to point out that what we need is the equivalent or better of IBM's methodology for maintaining the OS, which is called SMP. It's a database application that generates and installs the operating system on a new machine, and then manages not

RE: [NF] OS Recalls, was: The Ultimate Vista Upgrade

2007-02-06 Thread Rick Schummer
>>Sounds to me like it all comes down to managed computing---how much >>influence/control do you want the OS maker to have on your daily computing life? Some want M$ to handle all of it; others don't want anyone else's hands in the mix but their own. There are different kinds of users, obvious

Re: [NF] OS Recalls, was: The Ultimate Vista Upgrade

2007-02-06 Thread MB Software Solutions
Rick Schummer wrote: >>> If we kept the PC exactly as it was sold to you then maybe they would be >>> able to offer a longer >>> > warranty, but we don't so they can't.<< > > I am not referring to a warranty Adam. The operating system manufacturers do > not support the other > software you

RE: [NF] OS Recalls, was: The Ultimate Vista Upgrade

2007-02-06 Thread Rick Schummer
>>If we kept the PC exactly as it was sold to you then maybe they would be able >>to offer a longer warranty, but we don't so they can't.<< I am not referring to a warranty Adam. The operating system manufacturers do not support the other software you load on your machine today. All they support

RE: [NF] OS Recalls, was: The Ultimate Vista Upgrade

2007-02-06 Thread Jim Felton
EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Buckland Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:18 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject:RE: [NF] OS Recalls, was: The Ultimate Vista Upgrade You don't expect manufacturers to support your Ford when you have changed the ignit

RE: [NF] OS Recalls, was: The Ultimate Vista Upgrade

2007-02-06 Thread Adam Buckland
To: profox@leafe.com Subject: [NF] OS Recalls, was: The Ultimate Vista Upgrade >>And since MS isn't going to be selling or supporting their legacy OSes any >>more, how are they going to do that?<< I warned you not to get me started on this. We discussed this very issue after

[NF] OS Recalls, was: The Ultimate Vista Upgrade

2007-02-05 Thread Rick Schummer
>>And since MS isn't going to be selling or supporting their legacy OSes any >>more, how are they going to do that?<< I warned you not to get me started on this. We discussed this very issue after the DAFUG meeting a couple of months ago. I am not a fan of legislating every darn thing in our l