Re: [OT] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles

2007-04-04 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Michael Madigan wrote: > I bet that's funnier en espanol. That's only if you can SPELL 'español', but I guess you don't have that letter in your brain...er... keyboard. > > > --- Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Kristyne McDaniel wrote: >>> Madigan, >>> Don't worry, Carbon Di

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2007-04-04 Thread Michael Madigan
I bet that's funnier en espanol. --- Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kristyne McDaniel wrote: > > Madigan, > > > >> Don't worry, Carbon Dioxide is plant food. > > > > So that must mean you're planting lots of trees? > > > > Kristyne McDaniel > > > > Nope, that means that he's a

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2007-04-04 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Kristyne McDaniel wrote: > Madigan, > >> Don't worry, Carbon Dioxide is plant food. > > So that must mean you're planting lots of trees? > > Kristyne McDaniel > Nope, that means that he's a vegetable (no brains). hahaha ___ Post Messages to: ProF

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2007-04-03 Thread Michael Madigan
> Computer Technology Solutions > 585-944-3823 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.ComputerTechnologySolutions.org > FTP://MikeWohlrab.com > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Michael Madigan > Sent: Tuesday,

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2007-04-03 Thread Mike Wohlrab
MAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 10:16 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles My grass is growing faster. IF burning coal adds CO2 to the air, and coal is made from plants, where did those plant

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2007-04-03 Thread Michael Madigan
My grass is growing faster. IF burning coal adds CO2 to the air, and coal is made from plants, where did those plants get their carbon from? The atmosphere! --- Kristyne McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Madigan, > > > Don't worry, Carbon Dioxide is plant food. > > So that must mean you

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2007-04-03 Thread Kristyne McDaniel
Madigan, > Don't worry, Carbon Dioxide is plant food. So that must mean you're planting lots of trees? Kristyne McDaniel Whether you think you can, or you think you can't you are right. -- Henry Ford ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Su

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2007-04-03 Thread Michael Madigan
gt; > PS does my carbon footprint get smaller if I stand > on my toes? > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave > Crozier > Sent: 03 April 2007 09:42 > To: 'ProFox Email List' > Subject: RE: [N

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2007-04-03 Thread Adam Buckland
rozier Sent: 03 April 2007 09:42 To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles Andy, Can't beat an oil burner. I've just had the X-Type Jag for 6 months and have averaged 52.3 mpg for the entire period. At times cruising at 70 on the motorway

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2007-04-03 Thread Dave Crozier
-- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Davies Sent: 03 April 2007 09:27 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles Johm Weller said "Just going through my emails on my return from visiting my mother ..." just got *back*

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2007-04-03 Thread Andy Davies
Johm Weller said "Just going through my emails on my return from visiting my mother ..." just got *back* to Manchester after ditto - 45mpg in my Audi A6 oilburner** - 120 miles of motorway driving and I was clearly reminded of why I chose an older bigger car instead of a newer smaller one! **

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2007-04-02 Thread John Weller
bject: Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles > > > Fact Checking, as usual it's not as simple as a sound bite: > > 15% VAT tax (think sales tax) > 60% Duty > 20% Refiner > 5% Retailer > ___ Post Messages to:

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2007-04-01 Thread Michael Madigan
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf > Of > >>> > >> Michael Madigan > >> > >>> Sent: 01 April 2007 03:18 > >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> Subject: RE: [NF] - RE: Energy efficie

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2007-04-01 Thread Chet Gardiner
Weller >> 01380 723235 >> 07976 393631 >> >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of >>> >> Michael Madigan >> >>> Sent: 01 April 2007 03:18 >>> To: [

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2007-04-01 Thread Chet Gardiner
Fact Checking, as usual it's not as simple as a sound bite: 15% VAT tax (think sales tax) 60% Duty 20% Refiner 5% Retailer http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/world/2000/world_fuel_crisis/933648.stm "Fuel duty is higher in the UK than most other EU countries but the full basket of motoring ta

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2007-04-01 Thread Michael Madigan
Madigan > > Sent: 01 April 2007 03:18 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles > > > > > > That's criminal to pay that much. How much of > that is > > taxes? > > > > > > --- John Weller

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2007-04-01 Thread John Weller
35 07976 393631 > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stephen the Cook > Sent: 01 April 2007 13:17 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles > > > Michael Madigan <> wrote: > >

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2007-04-01 Thread Stephen the Cook
Michael Madigan <> wrote: > That's criminal to pay that much. How much of that is taxes? It could be healthcare, schools, roads, and housing. Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 "A good way to judge people is by observing how they treat those who can do

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2007-04-01 Thread John Weller
About 75% I think. John Weller 01380 723235 07976 393631 > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Madigan > Sent: 01 April 2007 03:18 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles >

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2007-03-31 Thread Michael Madigan
That's criminal to pay that much. How much of that is taxes? --- John Weller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just going through my emails on my return from > visiting my mother in > Manchester. A journey that returned 44 mpg in my > Toyota Avensis - which is > just as well as we are paying nearly

[OT] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles

2007-03-31 Thread Stephen the Cook
Ed Leafe <> wrote: > On Mar 30, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Dave Crozier wrote: > >> That's why it is impossible to have a boiled egg when you are >> climbing Everest. One good reason why I don't want to go. > > Boil 'em before starting the climb. Makes the eggs a bit more > durable, too. You cou

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2007-03-31 Thread John Weller
Just going through my emails on my return from visiting my mother in Manchester. A journey that returned 44 mpg in my Toyota Avensis - which is just as well as we are paying nearly $2 per litre for petrol, nearly $9 per UK gallon. John Weller 01380 723235 07976 393631 > You heard it here first.

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2007-03-30 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Michael Madigan wrote: > The first funny thing you've ever said. > Michael! You devil! You keep this and we'll end up dating ,c) >> Wow! You really have high temperatures over there. >> Around here water >> boils at 100°. > > > [excessive quoting removed by server] __

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2007-03-30 Thread Dave Crozier
2007 15:49 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles Dave Crozier wrote: > The egg can never cook because the water boils at about 91 degrees. Hence > SNOTTY eggs! > > How can I tell it's Friday afternoon ;-) Peter [excessive quoting

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2007-03-30 Thread Peter Cushing
Dave Crozier wrote: > The egg can never cook because the water boils at about 91 degrees. Hence > SNOTTY eggs! > > How can I tell it's Friday afternoon ;-) Peter ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mail

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2007-03-30 Thread Derek Kalweit
> > That's why it is impossible to have a boiled egg when you are climbing > > Everest. > The egg can never cook because the water boils at about 91 degrees. Hence > SNOTTY eggs! The post says "have", not "cook"... -- Derek ___ Post Messages to: Pr

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2007-03-30 Thread Dave Crozier
The egg can never cook because the water boils at about 91 degrees. Hence SNOTTY eggs! Dave Crozier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derek Kalweit Sent: 30 March 2007 15:07 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient

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2007-03-30 Thread Michael Hawksworth
I wonder what they taste like frozen (easier than boiling and more lasting!)? Bit chewy? BAAA ;) -- Regards Michael. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox

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2007-03-30 Thread Vince Teachout
Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote: > "Sheep!" (--> [OT]) > Honestly, I don't think sheep are all that energy efficient, as a means of transportation. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/pr

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2007-03-30 Thread Vince Teachout
Dave Crozier wrote: > Michael, > That's why it is impossible to have a boiled egg when you are climbing > Everest. One good reason why I don't want to go. > Can't you simply boil the egg BEFORE you go, and keep it warm in a vacuum container? :-) __

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2007-03-30 Thread Derek Kalweit
> That's why it is impossible to have a boiled egg when you are climbing > Everest. What happens to a boiled egg when you climb Everest? :-) -- Derek ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/

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2007-03-30 Thread Ed Leafe
On Mar 30, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Dave Crozier wrote: > That's why it is impossible to have a boiled egg when you are climbing > Everest. One good reason why I don't want to go. Boil 'em before starting the climb. Makes the eggs a bit more durable, too. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com --

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2007-03-30 Thread Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh
"Sheep!" (--> [OT]) ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise,

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2007-03-30 Thread Dave Crozier
To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles Depends on altitude/relative density of the atmosphere. -- Regards Michael. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Su

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2007-03-30 Thread Derek Kalweit
> Depends on altitude/relative density of the atmosphere. Hence 'or there abouts'... -- Derek ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/ma

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2007-03-30 Thread Michael Hawksworth
Depends on altitude/relative density of the atmosphere. -- Regards Michael. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/m

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2007-03-30 Thread Derek Kalweit
> > Overall high: 117º > Wow! You really have high temperatures over there. Around here water > boils at 100°. Water here boils at 100º, 212º, and 373.15º-- or there abouts... -- Derek ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance

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2007-03-30 Thread Pete Theisen
On Thursday 29 March 2007 1:33 pm, Chet Gardiner wrote: > Not when you don't have to factor in the cost of a bloated military to > insure that we continue get "OUR" cheap oil... ;-) > > Also neither the environmental cost nor the health costs of burning > petroleum in cars and trucks are paid for

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2007-03-29 Thread Chet Gardiner
You got that right. Tucson downtown is at about 2600' -- then there's where the rich folks live up the mountain -- much higher... They had one storm last winter with about 2" of snow that stuck on the ground (and took out a LOT of foliage). But I can always head south into Mexico for the winte

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2007-03-29 Thread Stephen the Cook
Chet Gardiner <> wrote: > Tucson Average Temperatures > > Jan: 51.3 > Feb: 54.4 > Mar: 58.7 > Apr: 65.8 > May: 74 > Jun: 83.8 > Jul: 86.6 > Aug: 84.5 > Sep: 80.4 > Oct: 70.4 > Nov: 70.4 > Dec: 52 > > Chet Comfort Zone: 85% to 100% F Ambient > > I'm worried about the cold winters though. > > Eur

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2007-03-29 Thread Michael Madigan
The first funny thing you've ever said. > Wow! You really have high temperatures over there. > Around here water > boils at 100°. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version

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2007-03-29 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Ed Leafe wrote: > On Mar 29, 2007, at 6:56 PM, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: > >> Lucky me, we are paying around U$ 0.50/Litre. And still we complain! > > What's worse is people who complain about $3/gallon for gasoline, > but merrily pay $1 for a pint of water. > Spent some time in UK and alway

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2007-03-29 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Derek Kalweit wrote: >> Tucson Average Temperatures >> Jun: 83.8 >> Jul: 86.6 >> Aug: 84.5 > > Yep, which means 90's and 100's during the day, eh? > > Avg highs: > June: 100º > july: 99º > August: 97º > > Overall high: 117º > Wow! You really have high temperatures over there. Around here

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2007-03-29 Thread Ed Leafe
On Mar 29, 2007, at 6:56 PM, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: > Lucky me, we are paying around U$ 0.50/Litre. And still we complain! What's worse is people who complain about $3/gallon for gasoline, but merrily pay $1 for a pint of water. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com _

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2007-03-29 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Andy Davies wrote: > Chet said: >> I predict $4 per gallon gas by the end of '07. > > I make that around £0.54 / litre - we're paying around twice that in the UK > - most of europe is comparable. > Lucky me, we are paying around U$ 0.50/Litre. And still we complain! ___

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2007-03-29 Thread Michael Madigan
Chet believes the TV infomercials too. "All the Rage in Europe", "Most popular can opener in Europe", "Europe's favorite pasta fork, The Eurofork". LMAO --- Derek Kalweit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 3/29/07, Chet Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Europe was "stupid" enough to inves

Re: [OT] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles

2007-03-29 Thread Michael Madigan
We took the trains from ingolstadt to Munich and back several times while I was in Germany. We loved the cleanliness and convenience of the trains as well as the Munich subway. However. In the US there is no real rail alternatives and people are not going to get behind rail travel except for l

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2007-03-29 Thread Derek Kalweit
> Tucson Average Temperatures > Jun: 83.8 > Jul: 86.6 > Aug: 84.5 Yep, which means 90's and 100's during the day, eh? Avg highs: June: 100º july: 99º August: 97º Overall high: 117º > Chet Comfort Zone: 85% to 100% F Ambient I guess that's why we have people living over the whole earth-

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2007-03-29 Thread Ed Leafe
On Mar 29, 2007, at 3:25 PM, Ted Roche wrote: > Darcy won't be the only one unsubscribing if we keep trashing the > mailing list like this. I have a splinter in my finger, so I'll cut off my arm. Twit filters are a much better solution than unsubscribing when the problems stem

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2007-03-29 Thread Chet Gardiner
Tucson Average Temperatures Jan: 51.3 Feb: 54.4 Mar: 58.7 Apr: 65.8 May: 74 Jun: 83.8 Jul: 86.6 Aug: 84.5 Sep: 80.4 Oct: 70.4 Nov: 70.4 Dec: 52 Chet Comfort Zone: 85% to 100% F Ambient I'm worried about the cold winters though. Europe's too cold... As for the spelling: think "Tuck Son" Derek

Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles

2007-03-29 Thread Chet Gardiner
Where do you read that??? Silly Derek... Derek Kalweit wrote: > On 3/29/07, Chet Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Europe was "stupid" enough to invest in a great inter-city rail system >> including in many cases high-speed rail. The great cities of Europe are >> also laid out in such

Re: [OT] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles

2007-03-29 Thread Ted Roche
On 3/29/07, Chet Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not when you don't have to factor in the cost of a bloated military to > insure that we continue get "OUR" cheap oil... ;-) Oh, for cripes sake. Tell me you don't think this is Off-Topic. Take it there, please. All you have to do is alter th

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2007-03-29 Thread Derek Kalweit
> > Chet, why are you moving to Tuscon instead of Europe? Seems you like > > everything there better... > There are terrorists over there, cuz they do not have a wonderful leader > like our very own, home grown , GW Bush to save them. Hence, it is > unsafe to be in Europe, anywhere else in fact o

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2007-03-29 Thread mrgmhale
Funny place, Arizona, with all of its strange spellings Gil > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Derek Kalweit > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 2:43 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [NF] - RE: Energy ef

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2007-03-29 Thread Derek Kalweit
On 3/29/07, Chet Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Europe was "stupid" enough to invest in a great inter-city rail system > including in many cases high-speed rail. The great cities of Europe are > also laid out in such a way that most of the time one doesn't need a car > around town either...

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2007-03-29 Thread Chet Gardiner
Not when you don't have to factor in the cost of a bloated military to insure that we continue get "OUR" cheap oil... ;-) Also neither the environmental cost nor the health costs of burning petroleum in cars and trucks are paid for in the cost of OUR gasoline... Europe was "stupid" enough to

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2007-03-29 Thread MB Software Solutions
Derek Kalweit wrote: > $1M gross income isn't always that much money... Depends on # of > employees, cost of other expenses, etc. > > > True...true -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS

Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles

2007-03-29 Thread Derek Kalweit
> > Recycle aspects of batteries is a big business. I tried to do a custom app > > for one who works with forklifts. They only wanted to pay 1000. in total. > > Said replacing their novel 3.12 box was getting expensive as well as this > > new program. > LOL! Yeah, we just had a company who make

Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles

2007-03-29 Thread Jean Laeremans
On 3/29/07, john harvey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, but driving "cross-country" is about 100 miles. Here it's thousands! > May i suggest that when you're travelling thousands of miles a car might not be the appropriate mode of transport ? A+ jml __

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2007-03-29 Thread john harvey
Yeah, but driving "cross-country" is about 100 miles. Here it's thousands! JH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Davies Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 8:27 AM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient

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2007-03-29 Thread Andy Davies
Chet said: > I predict $4 per gallon gas by the end of '07. I make that around £0.54 / litre - we're paying around twice that in the UK - most of europe is comparable. Andrew Davies  MBCS CITP   - AndyD    8-)# ** This ema

Re: Energy efficient vehicles

2007-03-29 Thread Derek Kalweit
> > Depending on what you drive -- SUV at 10mpg - $2100/year -- only about > > 49 years and it's paid for :-) > Is electricity for free in the USA? Beyond the initial equipment investment, sometimes(solar/wind/etc.). > Is electricity generation non-polluting? Some methods, yes. Not all elect

Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles

2007-03-29 Thread Andy Davies
> Detroit is also developing the same technology. of course thay are - they would hardly ignore all that 'non-polluting engines' pork! Andrew Davies  MBCS CITP   - AndyD    8-)# ** This email and any files transmitted with

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2007-03-29 Thread Andy Davies
> 1. The Electric motor in general is nearly 90% > efficient. The gasoline engine is 30% and the engine that generates the electricty? 40% - 60% at best (in a combined power/heat setup, but they're rare). Then the *best* chargers are around 85% efficient; say 45% overall *at best*. > 2. The Tes

Re: Energy efficient vehicles

2007-03-28 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
ll save in not using gasoline for the >> 7,000 miles per year I drive on average! >> >> Gil >> >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MB Software Solutions >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 9:5

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2007-03-28 Thread Stephen the Cook
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <> wrote: > There goes the neighbourhood. :) Isn't this the same Darcy from the prior list? Or am I confused :) Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 "A good way to judge people is by observing how they treat those who can do them absolutely n

RE: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles

2007-03-28 Thread Stephen the Cook
Eugene Vital <> wrote: > Stephen the Cook wrote: >> Michael Madigan <> wrote: >> >>> 1. The Electric motor in general is nearly 90% efficient. The >>> gasoline engine is 30% >>> >>> 2. The Tesla uses no gasoline, just electric and batteries. When >>> you charge batteries, they don't get heav

Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles

2007-03-28 Thread MB Software Solutions
Stephen the Cook wrote: > Recycle aspects of batteries is a big business. I tried to do a custom app > for one who works with forklifts. They only wanted to pay 1000. in total. > Said replacing their novel 3.12 box was getting expensive as well as this > new program. > LOL! Yeah, we just had

Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles

2007-03-28 Thread MB Software Solutions
Chet Gardiner wrote: > You heard it here first. > > I predict $4 per gallon gas by the end of '07. > > I predict $6+ per gallon by the time of the next inauguration in '09 > (with a slight dip in the weeks before the '08 election so the oil > companies can try to elect a republican again). > > Ga

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2007-03-28 Thread Kevin Cully
Welcome back! -Kevin CULLY Technologies, LLC Sponsor of FoxForward 2007 foxforward.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Actually, I think I'm still in. :) ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo

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2007-03-28 Thread darcy
There goes the neighbourhood. :) ;) >-Original Message- >From: MB Software Solutions [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 12:39 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles > >Andy Davies wrote: >>> unsu

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2007-03-28 Thread darcy
TECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 11:23 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles > >> unsubscribe > >Darcy White has just left the mailing list! > >Andrew Davies MBCS CITP > - AndyD 8-)# >***

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2007-03-28 Thread Eugene Vital
Stephen the Cook wrote: > Michael Madigan <> wrote: > >> 1. The Electric motor in general is nearly 90% efficient. The >> gasoline engine is 30% >> >> 2. The Tesla uses no gasoline, just electric and batteries. When >> you charge batteries, they don't get heavier. When you fill up a >> car

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2007-03-28 Thread Stephen the Cook
Michael Madigan <> wrote: > 1. The Electric motor in general is nearly 90% efficient. The > gasoline engine is 30% > > 2. The Tesla uses no gasoline, just electric and batteries. When > you charge batteries, they don't get heavier. When you fill up a > car, it gets heavier. > > 3. Batter

Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles

2007-03-28 Thread Michael Madigan
gt; > > >> Depending on what you drive -- SUV at 10mpg - > $2100/year -- only about > >> 49 years and it's paid for :-) > >> > >> > > > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mai

Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles

2007-03-28 Thread Chet Gardiner
- $2100/year -- only about >> 49 years and it's paid for :-) >> >> > > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chet Gardiner >> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 3:11 AM >> To: [EMAI

Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles

2007-03-28 Thread Michael Madigan
At least Elvis is still here. --- Vince Teachout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andy Davies wrote: > >> unsubscribe > >> > > > > Darcy White has just left the mailing list! > > > > Oh No > > > > ___ > Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.co

Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles

2007-03-28 Thread Michael Madigan
They're going to be making a sedan that will be under 50k I think they want to make a splash with a high-performance car and sell those cars to celebrities with high profiles. --- Derek Kalweit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Would it be safe to say that Big Oil and Detroit > are going to do >

Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles

2007-03-28 Thread Michael Madigan
No, because Detroit is also developing the same technology. --- MB Software Solutions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael Madigan wrote: > > 1. The Electric motor in general is nearly 90% > > efficient. The gasoline engine is 30% > > > > 2. The Tesla uses no gasoline, just electric and > > b

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2007-03-28 Thread Vince Teachout
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Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles

2007-03-28 Thread Derek Kalweit
> Would it be safe to say that Big Oil and Detroit are going to do > whatever they can to suppress Tesla and others like them? Detroit? What year do you think this is? ;-) I'd say the Tesla's price will be restrictive enough to keep wide-spread adoption. Maybe once they figure out a way to make i

Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles

2007-03-28 Thread MB Software Solutions
Michael Madigan wrote: > 1. The Electric motor in general is nearly 90% > efficient. The gasoline engine is 30% > > 2. The Tesla uses no gasoline, just electric and > batteries. When you charge batteries, they don't get > heavier. When you fill up a car, it gets heavier. > > 3. Battery techno

Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles

2007-03-28 Thread Michael Madigan
1. The Electric motor in general is nearly 90% efficient. The gasoline engine is 30% 2. The Tesla uses no gasoline, just electric and batteries. When you charge batteries, they don't get heavier. When you fill up a car, it gets heavier. 3. Battery technology has gotten much better lately.

Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles

2007-03-28 Thread MB Software Solutions
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RE: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles

2007-03-28 Thread Andy Davies
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Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles

2007-03-28 Thread Andy Davies
"it is six times as efficient and produces one-tenth the pollution, all while achieving the same performance and acceleration" dream on - I just don't trust their figures - why are their vehicle efficiency figures better than three times the opposition, *and* their well-to-wheel figures better tha

RE: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles

2007-03-28 Thread Darcy Whyte
unsubscribe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mrgmhale Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 8:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles My SUV (2005 Suzuki XL-7, excellent vehicle, less than 19,000 miles on it

[NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles

2007-03-28 Thread mrgmhale
alf Of Chet Gardiner > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 3:11 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Energy efficient vehicles > > > Depending on what you drive -- SUV at 10mpg - $2100/year -- only about > 49 years and it's paid for :-) > > mrgmhale wrote: > &g

Re: Energy efficient vehicles

2007-03-27 Thread Chet Gardiner
] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MB Software Solutions >> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 9:52 PM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: Re: Energy efficient vehicles >> >> >> Chet Gardiner wrote: >> >>> Cute. >>> >&

RE: Energy efficient vehicles

2007-03-27 Thread mrgmhale
on average! Gil > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MB Software Solutions > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 9:52 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Energy efficient vehicles > > > Chet Gardiner wrote: > >

Re: Energy efficient vehicles

2007-03-27 Thread Chet Gardiner
Yep. They've already sold out their first production run. MB Software Solutions wrote: > Chet Gardiner wrote: > >> Cute. >> >> Here's a real energy efficient vehicle: >> >> http://www.teslamotors.com/index.php?js_enabled=1 >> >> > ?!?!? Wowis that for real? > > > ___

RE: Energy efficient vehicles

2007-03-27 Thread john harvey
I liked mine better! JH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:52 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: Energy efficient vehicles Chet Gardiner wrote: > Cute. > > Here's

Re: Energy efficient vehicles

2007-03-27 Thread MB Software Solutions
Chet Gardiner wrote: > Cute. > > Here's a real energy efficient vehicle: > > http://www.teslamotors.com/index.php?js_enabled=1 > ?!?!? Wowis that for real? -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com "Work smarter, not harder, w

Re: Energy efficient vehicles

2007-03-27 Thread Chet Gardiner
Cute. Here's a real energy efficient vehicle: http://www.teslamotors.com/index.php?js_enabled=1 john harvey wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVTsNsJV6HU&NR > > JH > > > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.

RE: Energy efficient vehicles

2007-03-27 Thread john harvey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVTsNsJV6HU&NR JH ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unle