Re: [Puppet Users] Making the new users experience easier

On Feb 9, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Michael DeHaan wrote: This sounds great, but please keep feedback going through tickets. Totally, I'll file tickets for any comments we recieve.There's sometimes a bit of a barrier to people opening a ticket (might not have an account, etc). Obviously if

Re: [Puppet Users] Making the new users experience easier

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 4:53 AM, Dick Davies wrote: > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Michael DeHaan > wrote: > >> With Puppet, if you're just learning it, what were some of your stumbling >> blocks?   If you are an existing user, think back to that time, or times >> when you were talking with new

Re: [Puppet Users] Making the new users experience easier

> > While getting started I had some problems. > > 1) I couldn't find a simple skeleton puppet configuration.  I tried the > tutorial, but there's lots of things that can go wrong, and figuring out > what's wrong can be be a pain if you don't know what you're doing.  A > sample.tar.gz that has a

Re: [Puppet Users] Making the new users experience easier

> This sounds great, but please keep feedback going through tickets. > Totally, I'll file tickets for any comments we recieve.There's sometimes a bit of a barrier to people opening a ticket (might not have an account, etc). Obviously if folks can file tickets directly that's better :) --Mich

Re: [Puppet Users] Making the new users experience easier

On Feb 9, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Michael DeHaan wrote: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Nigel Kersten wrote: I honestly think the most important thing for new users is to clean up the documentation. Not a lot of the existing docs on the wiki read as being particularly authoritative. They'

Re: [Puppet Users] Making the new users experience easier

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Nigel Kersten wrote: > I honestly think the most important thing for new users is to clean up the > documentation. > Not a lot of the existing docs on the wiki read as being particularly > authoritative. They're full of lines like: > "Exporting and collecting resou

Re: [Puppet Users] Making the new users experience easier

I honestly think the most important thing for new users is to clean up the documentation. Not a lot of the existing docs on the wiki read as being particularly authoritative. They're full of lines like: "Exporting and collecting resources is an extension of virtual resources

Re: [Puppet Users] Making the new users experience easier

Late to the party here. I thought Gepetto looked useful for new puppet users. Similar to the Chef Repository on GitHub that new Chef users are encouraged to clone: http://wiki.opscode.com/display/chef/Chef+Repository I have a hunch that the Chef users are more likely to be Ruby developers and he

Re: [Puppet Users] Making the new users experience easier

On Feb 5, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Patrick wrote: > > 2) DNS: My setup was small and simple, so I've been using dnsmasq for DNS and > DHCP. Dnsmasq doesn't support cnames so the auto-generated cert name on the > puppetmaster doesn't work. I suggest that all autogenerated certificates > have an ali

Re: [Puppet Users] Making the new users experience easier

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Patrick wrote: > Great info everyone, thanks for all the feedback.Look for a lot of improvements, especially in the documentation/example space soon. --Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group

Re: [Puppet Users] Making the new users experience easier

On Feb 5, 2010, at 4:06 AM, Nicolas Szalay wrote: > Le mardi 02 février 2010 à 12:08 -0500, Michael DeHaan a écrit : >> Just one more email and I'll let you go for a few hours :) > > Hello puppeters > > >> One of the things I like to see in apps is that they are immediately >> intuitive and e

Re: [Puppet Users] Making the new users experience easier

Michael DeHaan wrote: Just one more email and I'll let you go for a few hours :) One of the things I like to see in apps is that they are immediately intuitive and easy to use for new users. I think Puppet is really good here, but there's opportunity to make everything better. We want ever

Re: [Puppet Users] Making the new users experience easier

Le vendredi 05 février 2010 à 23:10 +1100, James Turnbull a écrit : > http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > > See the Troubleshooting and areas below. Please feel free to add to > this! I did not remember this one :) I added a few lines :) Nico. signature.asc De

Re: [Puppet Users] Making the new users experience easier

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 5/02/10 11:06 PM, Nicolas Szalay wrote: > A "common errors" list that beginners can search through to find error. > The poptop project has some pages like this that ease debugging. BTW, > some error messages would need to be a little "user friendly"

Re: [Puppet Users] Making the new users experience easier

Le mardi 02 février 2010 à 12:08 -0500, Michael DeHaan a écrit : > Just one more email and I'll let you go for a few hours :) Hello puppeters > One of the things I like to see in apps is that they are immediately > intuitive and easy to use for new users. I think Puppet is really good > here,

Re: [Puppet Users] Making the new users experience easier

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Michael DeHaan wrote: > With Puppet, if you're just learning it, what were some of your stumbling > blocks?   If you are an existing user, think back to that time, or times > when you were talking with new users? #1 has to be variable scope and the inability to re

Re: [Puppet Users] Making the new users experience easier

Am Wednesday 03 February 2010 schrieb mir James Cammarata: > On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:25:35 -0800, Scott Smith wrote: > > On 2/2/10 8:18 PM, James Cammarata wrote: > >> Symlinks wouldn't work, I'd just make them shell scripts. > > > > Wait, what? Checking $0 and loading client, server or doc code wo

Re: [Puppet Users] Making the new users experience easier

On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:25:35 -0800, Scott Smith wrote: > On 2/2/10 8:18 PM, James Cammarata wrote: >> >> Symlinks wouldn't work, I'd just make them shell scripts. >> > > Wait, what? Checking $0 and loading client, server or doc code would work > just fine. :) > > -scott Heh yeah, you're right,

Re: [Puppet Users] Making the new users experience easier

On 3 February 2010 15:14, Scott Smith wrote: > On 2/2/10 7:57 PM, James Turnbull wrote: >> >> The plan is to unify all the binaries (in fact I think the code is >> written and is planned for Rowlf) in the style of git so, >> >> $ puppet ca >> $ puppet master >> $ puppet client >> $ puppet doc >> e

Re: [Puppet Users] Making the new users experience easier

On 2/2/10 8:18 PM, James Cammarata wrote: Symlinks wouldn't work, I'd just make them shell scripts. Wait, what? Checking $0 and loading client, server or doc code would work just fine. :) -scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" gr

Re: [Puppet Users] Making the new users experience easier

On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:14:50 -0800, Scott Smith wrote: > On 2/2/10 7:57 PM, James Turnbull wrote: >> The plan is to unify all the binaries (in fact I think the code is >> written and is planned for Rowlf) in the style of git so, >> >> $ puppet ca >> $ puppet master >> $ puppet client >> $ puppet

Re: [Puppet Users] Making the new users experience easier

On 2/2/10 7:57 PM, James Turnbull wrote: The plan is to unify all the binaries (in fact I think the code is written and is planned for Rowlf) in the style of git so, $ puppet ca $ puppet master $ puppet client $ puppet doc etc, etc (So puppt check fits). Obviously existing binaries will contin

Re: [Puppet Users] Making the new users experience easier

On 3 February 2010 14:05, Michael DeHaan wrote: > As an aside -- I see puppetd and /usr/sbin/puppet share many common options, > but not quite all of them.   Possibly these could be unified. > The plan is to unify all the binaries (in fact I think the code is written and is planned for Rowlf) in

Re: [Puppet Users] Making the new users experience easier

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Ohad Levy wrote: > > > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:27 AM, James Cammarata wrote: > >> I've found the puppetrun utility to be very lacking, in many ways, and >> have >> resorted to my own scripts to trigger runs. This script runs using ssh to >> hit servers, which is

Re: [Puppet Users] Making the new users experience easier

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:27 AM, James Cammarata wrote: > I've found the puppetrun utility to be very lacking, in many ways, and have > resorted to my own scripts to trigger runs. This script runs using ssh to > hit servers, which is unfortunately not ideal right now since it operates > in a seri

Re: [Puppet Users] Making the new users experience easier

On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 12:08:29 -0500, Michael DeHaan wrote: > With Puppet, if you're just learning it, what were some of your > stumbling blocks? If you are an existing user, think back to that > time, or times when you were talking with new users? First and foremost on my list is the ability

Re: [Puppet Users] Making the new users experience easier

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 3/02/10 10:03 AM, Peter Meier wrote: >>> * did I mention ssl? >>> >> I think you did! +1 SSL although I wonder how this could be implemented? Time/NTP. Regards James Turnbull - -- Author of: * Pro Linux System Administration (http://tinyurl.co

Re: [Puppet Users] Making the new users experience easier

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 >> * did I mention ssl? >> > I think you did! Well I think this point is/was anyway obvious, unfortunately. SSL Certs can be get complicated and they are very strict. But this is how they work and it is good that they work that way. And that's exactly

Re: [Puppet Users] Making the new users experience easier

Peter Meier wrote: With Puppet, if you're just learning it, what were some of your stumbling blocks? If you are an existing user, think back to that time, or times when you were talking with new users? * ssl * ssl * dns * ssl certificates Definitely understand this whole confusion point.

Re: [Puppet Users] Making the new users experience easier

With Puppet, if you're just learning it, what were some of your stumbling blocks? If you are an existing user, think back to that time, or times when you were talking with new users? * ssl * ssl * dns * ssl certificates * language details * the whole puppet-doesn't-execute-things-philosophy

[Puppet Users] Making the new users experience easier

Just one more email and I'll let you go for a few hours :) One of the things I like to see in apps is that they are immediately intuitive and easy to use for new users. I think Puppet is really good here, but there's opportunity to make everything better. We want everyone to love Puppet fro