Re: [python-committers] Fw: CoC violation (was: Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause)

2018-09-20 Thread Ethan Furman
On 09/20/2018 05:47 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: Which is why I'm hoping we can eventually get a clear enforcement guide written for all the mailing lists and then have a specific group of people manage all of these incident reports and deciding how to handle them for consistency. Otherwise we

Re: [python-committers] Fw: CoC violation (was: Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause)

2018-09-20 Thread Brett Cannon
On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 at 15:35 Ethan Furman wrote: > On 09/20/2018 02:17 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: > > > I will also say I didn't voice an opinion or participate in the > discussion on the conduct WG when deciding how to handle > > it (beyond outlining our levels of escalation when handling these >

Re: [python-committers] Fw: CoC violation (was: Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause)

2018-09-20 Thread Ethan Furman
On 09/20/2018 05:06 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 3:35 PM, Ethan Furman wrote: And I have to argue against his use of the n-word* as being part of the reason -- he wasn't calling anybody that, he was using the word as an example of a taboo in one culture that is not in

Re: [python-committers] Fw: CoC violation (was: Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause)

2018-09-20 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 3:35 PM, Ethan Furman wrote: > And I have to argue against his use of the n-word* as being part of the > reason -- he wasn't calling anybody that, he was using the word as an > example of a taboo in one culture that is not in others. Using that as part > of the reason to

Re: [python-committers] Fw: CoC violation (was: Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause)

2018-09-20 Thread Chris Jerdonek
FWIW, as an American I don't think it's appropriate to spell out the n-word in a mailing list, even if it's not being directed at anybody or even just being used as an example. There's no need, and it can only cause discomfort or worse. --Chris On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 3:35 PM, Ethan Furman

Re: [python-committers] sprints summary?

2018-09-20 Thread Steve Dower
On 20Sep2018 1539, Antoine Pitrou wrote: Is there a summary of the sprints somewhere or is it planned to post one somewhere? It would be more to read a bit more about the discussions that took place. Currently debating the contents of the high-level blog post among those who were there. Once

Re: [python-committers] sprints summary?

2018-09-20 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le 21/09/2018 à 00:35, Ethan Furman a écrit : > > And I have to argue against his use of the n-word* as being part of the > reason -- he wasn't calling anybody that, he was > using the word as an example of a taboo in one culture that is not in others. > Using that as part of the reason to

Re: [python-committers] Fw: CoC violation (was: Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause)

2018-09-20 Thread Ethan Furman
On 09/20/2018 02:17 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: I will also say I didn't voice an opinion or participate in the discussion on the conduct WG when deciding how to handle it (beyond outlining our levels of escalation when handling these situations). One thing missing from the ban notification is

Re: [python-committers] Fw: CoC violation (was: Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause)

2018-09-20 Thread Brett Cannon
On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 at 13:57 Donald Stufft wrote: > > > On Sep 20, 2018, at 4:25 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > I think the action taken by Brett (apparently decided with Titus and a > mysterious "conduct working group") is not the right one: > > > > Just FTR, the conduct working group is the

Re: [python-committers] Fw: CoC violation (was: Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause)

2018-09-20 Thread Yury Selivanov
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 4:37 PM Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > > Apparently it's this one: > https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/2018-September/053482.html After reading the original email I, personally, am in support of the WG & Brett's decision. I also think that we need a neutral

Re: [python-committers] Fw: CoC violation (was: Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause)

2018-09-20 Thread Donald Stufft
> On Sep 20, 2018, at 4:25 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > I think the action taken by Brett (apparently decided with Titus and a > mysterious "conduct working group") is not the right one: Just FTR, the conduct working group is the PSFs CoC Working Group, which I believe had an open call for

Re: [python-committers] Fw: CoC violation (was: Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause)

2018-09-20 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Apparently it's this one: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/2018-September/053482.html By the way, regardless of this single case, I would like people to think of the broader issue we're having. It's more than a single contentious decision. Regards Antoine. Le 20/09/2018 à

Re: [python-committers] Fw: CoC violation (was: Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause)

2018-09-20 Thread Alex Gaynor
Is there a copy of the original email? (I'm not a regular python-ideas reader) Based on Brett's description though, the content sounds very far over the line, and I wouldn't want to interfere with the WG's decision. Alex On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 4:25 PM Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm

[python-committers] Fw: CoC violation (was: Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause)

2018-09-20 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Hi, I'm choosing to forward this to python-committers because I don't think python-ideas is a reasonable place to discuss CoC decisions. I think the action taken by Brett (apparently decided with Titus and a mysterious "conduct working group") is not the right one: - a definitive ban is an

Re: [python-committers] Recent buildbot.python.org changes

2018-09-20 Thread Tal Einat
Zachary Ware wrote: > > Most of my effort this week has gone into improving the state of > buildbot.python.org, which has largely gone into improving Buildbot > itself. Here are the relevant highlights: > > [snip] Those are important improvements! I'm really happy buildbot appears to be

[python-committers] Azure Pipelines Linux failures on PRs

2018-09-20 Thread Steve Dower
Hi all Just a heads-up that the Azure Pipelines build failures for Linux machines are a known issue that should be fixed by the end of the week. It seems the service has become so popular since last week's announcements that many more builds are being run on machines that have been freshly

Re: [python-committers] New core developers: Lisa Roach and Emily Morehouse-Valcarcel

2018-09-20 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Sat, 15 Sep 2018 at 05:28, Raymond Hettinger wrote: > > At the developer sprints this week, we collectively decided to grant core > committer status to Emily and Lisa. Congratulations, and welcome! Cheers, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan | ncogh...@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia

Re: [python-committers] Recent buildbot.python.org changes

2018-09-20 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Sat, 15 Sep 2018 at 07:02, Zachary Ware wrote: > > Hi all, > > Most of my effort this week has gone into improving the state of > buildbot.python.org, which has largely gone into improving Buildbot > itself. [snip] Very nice! Cheers, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan | ncogh...@gmail.com |