Thanks, Carol (and Olga)! This sounds great!
I’m sure you can all google :), but here’s the link:
https://github.com/python/python-docs-theme
I wasn’t able to find examples - is this what is up and running on
docs.python.org, or is that a future plan?
thanks much,
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p.s. Not sure what ad
> On Mar 9, 2021, at 4:27 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
>
> On 3/9/2021 3:27 PM, Pablo Galindo Salgado wrote:
>
>> The Steering Council just published the community update for February:
>
> Thank you for posting this.
>
>>The Steering Council discussed renaming the master branch to main
>>a
Hi all,
as a moderator of python-ideas, I’ve asked postmaster to place python-ideas
into emergency moderation. (I do not have the tools to do so myself.) I’m
willing to review messages individually as needed.
best,
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> On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:24 AM, Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
> wrote:
>
>
e delivery timestamps) to
> something that can be done on a coffee break.
I already help moderate python-ideas and would be happy to help moderate
announce.
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> On Jul 2, 2019, at 9:09 AM, Steve Dower wrote:
>
> On 02Jul2019 0840, Mariatta wrote:
>> I've used the "Report abuse" feature on GitHub for such situations. Most of
>> the time I see the user suspended, and the associated comments deleted.
>> Our GitHub admins can delete comments too.
>> On
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 11:09:14AM +0200, Giampaolo Rodol? wrote:
> > For committers on other Python projects like Buildbot, Django and
> > Twisted that may be reading this -- yes, the plan is to give you
> > guys Snakebite access/slaves down the track too. I'll start looking
> > i
part of
a streamlined process, would it cause problems?
(What I'm really asking is whether or the bugs.python.org process is
considered critical for potentially minor doc changes and additions.)
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On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 05:42:55AM +0200, Eli Bendersky wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 05:25, C. Titus Brown wrote:
> > I see the point, but as a reasonably knowledgeable Python programmer
> > (intelligent? who knows...) I regularly discover nifty new modules
> > that &qu
of several
> modules.
I see the point, but as a reasonably knowledgeable Python programmer
(intelligent? who knows...) I regularly discover nifty new modules
that "replace" stdlib modules. It'd be nice to have pointers in the
docs, although that runs the risk of having the point
core for example..
python-dev isn't that inappropriate, IMO, but probably the best place to
go with this discussion is python-ideas. Could you repost over there?
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One the neat things that a master/slave system like buildbot provides...
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done so in public fora so I'm sure you can find
the records, if you care to look. But it's not really very relevant to this
conversation, especially since Trent has always been interested in building off
the buildbot setup rather than replacing it.
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> C. Titus Brown writes:
>
> > p.s. Seriously? I can accept that there's a rational minimalist argument
> > for this "feature",
>
> It is a feature, even if you aren't gonna need i
I am surprised by the above claim ;-).
Huh. Count me out. I guess I don't live up to your standards.
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p.s. Seriously? I can accept that there's a rational minimalist argument
for this "feature", but arguing that it's somehow the responsibility of
a programmer t
iscussions on how to clone Martin and
others, though. I just need some epithelial cells, I think. And about $20 bn
dollars, and relocation to Israel (which I think has the best combination of
tech and human use guidelines for cloning). Martin's permission is not
*strictly* necessary but sh
On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 05:09:40PM +0100, Michael Foord wrote:
> On 07/07/2010 17:06, Shashwat Anand wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:24 PM, C. Titus Brown > <mailto:c...@msu.edu>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> over on the fellowship o'
On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 09:36:10PM +0530, Shashwat Anand wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:24 PM, C. Titus Brown wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > over on the fellowship o' the packaging mailing list, one of our GSoC
> > students
> > (merwok) asked about how m
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for sphinx-specific markup constructs.
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her investigation. Since it's DVCS, it's much easier to change
the "official" repo, but it still incurs costs in terms of documentation,
workflow changes, etc.
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talks about data, not code.
Really? It has some guidelines here for object files, etc., at least as
of 2004.
http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html
A quick scan suggests /usr/lib is the right place to look:
http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.h
a review process. (Not that I
do any Python reviews, note. But it's a great technique in general.)
It's also fantastically simple and esay to interact with patches that are
branches on someone's bitbucket or github repo; much better than uploading and
downloading patch files whil
volunteer.
We have some space in our machine room, and some sysadmins that like open
source. I will ask them if they are willing to do physical maintenance (profs
wisely aren't allowed access to the machine room). That would really be
ideal... I will report back to interested people.
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u get it working... I build python2.7
nightly on Mac OS X, but just at the command line.
see:
http://lyorn.idyll.org/ctb/pb-dev/p/python/
http://lyorn.idyll.org/ctb/pb-dev/p/python/show_all
(the Windows build is flaky for me, so the 'show_all&
robustify this process.
OTOH, my Mac automated builds/tests are working just fine. I could produce
nightly binaries from those easily enough:
http://lyorn.idyll.org/ctb/pb-dev/p/python/
Just need to figure out the magic doohickey commands... will add to list.
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ion to open
> source projects. You normally contribute to scratch an itch.
> Unfortunately, these binaries don't come out such a motiviation. So the
> release manager roles are either altruistic, or rely on extrinsic
> motivations (money, repu
re is just not that
expensive compared to the dedication of the volunteers. If Georg, Benjamin,
Martin, or Ronald are interested, please just tell me (or Steve, or the PSF
board, or ...) what you want and I'll work on getting it funded.
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7;t see why we care where it's
posted, but that's what you asked about.)
I keep on running into technical barriers in getting cross-platform code
coverage analysis working, which would be quite valuable; it's easy to
get it working once, but to keep it working is a maintenance task
vements, with an
eye to making changes that can then be evaluated in terms of maintainability,
extensibility, etc. Having them actually change the infrastructure itself
seems to me like a bad idea :)
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On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:40:06AM +0300, anatoly techtonik wrote:
> I would vote for allowing student work on community infrastructure
> tasks. Tracker, Wiki, Web site management tools are all outdated and
> everybody who cares agrees that they've seen a better tools.
As long as it's programming,
SoC project; any non-trivial
> porting will be.
Sounds good to me. Line up a good student and bob's your uncle.
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On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 10:13:42PM -0500, Benjamin Peterson wrote:
> 2010/3/18 C. Titus Brown :
> > Hi all,
> >
> > once again, the PSF has been accepted as a mentoring foundation for the
> > Google
> > Summer of Code! ??This year, we're going to emphasize py
rg/mailman/listinfo/soc2010-general
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On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 06:43:50PM +, Mark Dickinson wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 6:36 PM, C. Titus Brown wrote:
> > On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 07:28:50PM +0100, "Martin v. L?wis" wrote:
> >> That's not true, see
> >>
> >> http://w
osx.5 trunk
Ahh! Sorry, was searching for 'mac' somewhere in the string.
Those tests are also broken but in different areas from mine. Again,
if people would like shell access, just ask.
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ripts can be used from
within buildbot, if people are interested.
> Another consequence is that different committers actually use different
> procedures. Trent created much of the Tools/buildbot setup, so he is
> obviously in favor of that strategy. Christian Heimes cre
#x27;buildmsi.bat' file has 'build' misspelled as 'buold' ;)
I'd love to get this build process working completely automatically and
100% correctly, too.
Hat tip to Trent Nelson, who helped me figure out where the scripts are
and what other things I needed...
cheers,
ize the level of work and attention involved (<- he says cynically) in
exploiting the offer of resources; I hope that anyone interested in
offering resources will pop their head up again to look around.
> I hope everyone is on board with the idea of fixing bugs in CPython,
> either in
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 04:49:51PM +, Paul Moore wrote:
> 2009/10/30 C. Titus Brown :
> > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 04:21:06PM +, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> Sorry for the little redundancy, I would like to underline Jean-Paul
ace. ?So Brett can probably do what he wants
> > with BuildBot right now.
>
> ... but pony-build follows a different model
I'd rather not get into discussions of why my vaporware is going to be
way, way better than anything anyone else could possibly do -- that's
flamebait
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 05:41:39PM +0100, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> Le vendredi 30 octobre 2009 ?? 09:31 -0700, C. Titus Brown a ??crit :
> > [ ... ]
> >
> > I'm happy to provide VMs or shell access for Windows (XP, Vista, 7); Linux
> > ia64; Linux x86; and Mac
of paying a dedicated developer to make the CPython+buildbot
tests reliable is better, although I would still be -0 on it (I don't think
the PSF should be paying for this kind of thing at all).
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r the pony-build main screen should be, contact me off-list; I'm
reluctant to spam up python-dev or testing-in-python.
That having been said, the results of taking it and trying it out -- you can
post results to my own recording server at
http://lyorn.idyll.org/ctb
"distribute" work?
> >
> > That's absurd. ?There's a certain area where Guido can make pronouncements,
> > but third-party packages is not it. ?Even if they're hosted on python.org
> > infrastructure.
>
> Right.
Is that a pronouncement?
:)
&qu
w
months, too, and I am happy to slice that off to provide more VMs --
basically whatever x86-based platforms people think are needed.
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compiling either trunk or py3k on Win 7? Would this be useful?
My recently acquired* MSDN account has led me to getting XP up and
running in a VM, and I would be happy to try other Windows OSes of
interest.
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anyway?).
We're still getting the machines set up. It turns out delivering power
and A/C to a wide variety of architectures is more complicated than it
may sound ;)
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Something like MarkMail (as Dirkjan mentioned) may have a better
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f is too fragile to work
reliably & specifically over time, which is what we would want -- "fire
and forget".
Is there a good python-dev archive search mechanism (other than to
google "python-dev " ;) out there? Wouldn't that help?
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creating them is difficult, and might require writing a PEP
-> (whose acceptance then might not happen within a summer).
Well, that's a more unassailable argument and one I agree with ;).
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e had a GSoC student two years back who worked on something like this;
his name is Michal Kwiatkowski. He probably has the code working
somewhere.
It's a nontrivial problem if you want to do it properly with VMs etc.
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-> 2009/4/10 C. Titus Brown :
-> > 2x "improve testing tools for py3k" -- variously focus on improving test
-> > ?? ?? ?? ??coverage and testing wrappers.
-> >
-> > ?? ?? ?? ??One proposes to pr
also involves
-> testing this area (idle and tkinter), Titus ? I'm considering this
-> more important than "just" dealing with the tracker issues.
What, I tell you that your app is going to be accepted and we shouldn't
argue about it, and you want to
pport. See http://slexy.org/view/s2pFgWxufI for details.
sphinx framework improvement -- support for per-paragraph comments and
user/developer interface for submitting/committing fixes
2x "keyring package" -- see
http://tarekziade.wordpress.com/2009/03/
pythons development cycle. Whereas a small set of
-> types can be implemented and stabalised for python more easily.
->
-> Also, it's not image, or 3d format types -- since those are also a way
-> larger project.
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work?
Alas, it's too late to submit new proposals; the deadline was
yesterday.
The next "Google gives us money to wrangle students into doing
development" project will probably be GHOP for highschool students, in
the winter, although it has not been announce
ngs at python.org but if you want me to host it, I can.
N.B. There are a bunch of GSoC projects to work on or with the CPython
test framework (increase test coverage, write plugins to make it
runnable in nose or py.test, etc.). I don't know that the students
should be active participants in su
many applicants we have
and how many applications are good.
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On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:26:54PM +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote:
-> C. Titus Brown wrote:
-> > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 07:30:01PM -0300, Daniel (ajax) Diniz wrote:
-> > I do think you should be prepared for pushback from python-dev on any
-> > such ideas ;). Don't get too
done some good doctest stuff,
for example; the 'testing-in-python' list would be a good place to go
for finding out more.
Note, you don't have to offer to be the mentor to post it, but it would
help ;)
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u and the students are prepared to
adapt to what people on python-dev think. Mind you, ultimately the
people doing the work should make the decisions, but input from
python-dev is usually pretty useful even when it's contradictory!
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dy student is building something, but he
can't work on it over the summer, so continuing it in various ways could
be a GSoC project.
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y arguments about what the
*right* functionality to add to unittest would be to want to give it to
a student. I think a student would probably not be willing or able to
fight the battles necessary to get his/her changes into the core...
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y to
-> another, writing patches for 3.x compatibility issues. There must be
-> lots of people who care about 3.x adoption, and this is probably the
-> most effective way they can reach that goal.
Does anyone smell a few GSoC projects? (And maybe GHOP if Google
decides to run it aga
sion is a good test suite for your code
to
-> make sure it keeps working as expected when you update your compiler.
Hey, wait, isn't that also a requirement for Py3k?
:)
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from darcs for all my future
projects.
(darcs, of course, is kind of a low bar: it has some scalability issues,
and it is feature-poor relative to hg and bzr in patch cherry-picking,
esp.)
:)
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ng about that...
...or is switching to Cython/Pyrex/foo a non-starter?
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[0] Which is to say: a variety of reasons, many of which are obviously
arguable, otherwise the Pyrex maintainer would have quit maintaining
Pyrex :). But let's not go into them!
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On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 07:01:47PM +0200, Jesus Cea wrote:
-> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
-> Hash: SHA1
->
-> C. Titus Brown wrote:
-> > Since I/we want to distribute pygr to end-users, this is really not a
-> > pleasant prospect. Also often the installati
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 11:01:35AM -0400, Tony Nelson wrote:
-> At 7:37 AM -0700 9/4/08, C. Titus Brown wrote:
-> >On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 10:29:10AM -0400, Tony Nelson wrote:
-> ...
-> >-> Shipping an application to end users is a different problem. Such
packages
-&
I'm teaching an intro programming course using Python. It
doesn't seem like the students are going to need to install *anything*
other than base Python in order to play with full networking libraries &
sqlite databases, among other features. And, for me and for them,
that's
or example, all of this is
-> abstracted and you simply use "regular" python objects.
I agree. I like bsddb for just this reason and I'd like to continue
being able to use it! I think that there are many reasons why having
such
s-platform object store backend
distributed with Python.
sqlite could be one choice, but I haven't used it much yet, so I don't
know.
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[0] Python graph database for bioinformatics,
http://code.google.com/p/pygr
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weeks ago (you can't miss it in the July archives, I'd bet). You should
read that IMO.
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eline for unittest. Having *one* Python-general way to name
your test files and test functions/classes that is also compatible
across nose, py.test, and unittest would be a real gain for Python, IMO.
You could even set the default unittest __main__ to run the
discover_tests function, e.g.
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 02:15:29PM -0700, C. Titus Brown wrote:
-> At this point I might suggest taking a look at the nose and py.test
-> discovery rules and writing a simple test discovery system to find &
-> wrap 'test_' functions/classes and doctests in a unittest wrap
proposal...
Paranthetically, wrt unittest, the world seems to be divided into two
kinds of people : those who find the current API uninspiring but ok, and
those who absolutely hate it. Has anyone said that they *love* the
current unittest API with all of it
implicity in test suites is at least as important as in
code: if you have to work hard to understand and debug your test suites,
you've done something seriously wrong in building your tests.
Tests should be as simple as possible, and no simpler.
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essed in some other way.
Also see:
http://lists.idyll.org/pipermail/testing-in-python/2007-November/000406.html
& associated thread, for those interested in the variety of mock
libraries...
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which is DSL-ish enough for me...
More generally, I've never understood why some people insist that
certain features make Ruby better for DSLs -- are code blocks really
that important to DSLs? Or is it just the lack of parens??
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-> Bill Janssen writes:
-> > > >> ~/Library/ is a Mac OS X thing.
-> > >
-> > > Bill> Sure, but it's clearly where this should be on an OS X
system, by
-> > > Bill> default.
->
-> > > [etc.]
->
-> > [tocatta
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 03:24:16PM -0500, Joseph Armbruster wrote:
-> Having a "core mentor" would be great but do they really have time for
-> that? I've been lucky at finding people in #python / #python-dev) that can
-> answer development inquiries (or at least verify something is or is not a
->
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 09:55:44PM +0100, Christian Heimes wrote:
-> Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote:
-> > You don't put the bar high for newbies on the Python project eh? :)
-> >
-> > I am assumign that most of those contributions code-wise need a fair
amount of
-> > knowledge of Python's in
-> > Incidentally, I'm planning to set up an SVK repos containing the GHOP
-> > doc patches; that way they can stay sync'ed with 2.6 work. I'd be happy
-> > to do the same thing with reviewed-and-probably-OK patches, although I
-> > don't know if repository proliferation is a generally good idea ;
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 02:49:27PM -0500, Fred Drake wrote:
-> On Jan 3, 2008, at 2:15 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
-> > My main gripe is with code contributions to Py3k and 2.6; Py3k is
-> > mostly done by a handful of people, and almost nobody is working much
-> > on 2.6.
->
-> For those of us st
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 05:48:25PM -0200, Facundo Batista wrote:
-> 2008/1/3, Titus Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
->
-> > What needs to be done with 2.6? I'm happy to review patches, although
-> > even were commit access on offer I'm too scatterbrained to do a g
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 11:15:04AM -0800, Guido van Rossum wrote:
-> We're getting a fair number of doc contributions, especially since the
-> docs were converted from Latex to ReST, and especially since the start
-> of the GHOP project.
->
-> My main gripe is with code contributions to Py3k and 2
Hi all,
re
http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.2.3/descrintro/
on "Unifying types and classes in Python 2.2",
we have a GHOP task to "fill in" the Additional Topics section of this
document. 'novanasa', the student who took this task, has written up a
nice set of doctest
On Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 04:02:21PM +0100, Quentin Gallet-Gilles wrote:
-> (oops, realized I didn't send it to the list, just to Titus)
->
-> I remember that it was one of the tasks at the Python Sprint at Google last
-> summer, so I guess this is a good idea (for GHOP, right ?)
Yep!
-> >From wha
Hi all,
a bit of grep'ping and personal examination discovered the following
tests in trunk/ that could be converted to unittest or doctests. Any
thoughts, pro or con?
(I understand from Brett that the goal is to eradicate "old-style"
tests, by which I think he means tests that do not use unitte
On Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 05:58:35PM -0800, Brett Cannon wrote:
-> On Dec 19, 2007 4:33 PM, Raymond Hettinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
-> > The bots are kicking-off so many false alarms that it is becoming
difficult to tell whether a check-in genuinely broke a build.
-> >
-> > At the root of the p
On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 07:24:04AM -0500, Steve Holden wrote:
-> Christian Heimes wrote:
-> > Good afternoon everybody!
-> >
-> > The new C API documentation contains some large files:
-> >
-> > 105K abstract.html
-> > 300K concrete.html
-> > 183K newtypes.html
-> >
-> > The concrete.html takes
Hi all,
is there a good, or standard memory benchmarking system for Python?
pybench doesn't return significantly different results when Python 2.6
is compiled with pymalloc and without pymalloc. Thinking on it, I'm not
too surprised -- pybench probably benchmarks a lot of stuff -- but some
guidan
detailed and specific way, we'd love to have
them.
Here are the new task guidelines:
http://code.google.com/p/google-highly-open-participation-psf/wiki/NewTaskGuidelines
and I'm happy to write up the tasks if people send me good ideas.
cheers,
--titus
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On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 10:23:06AM -0800, Guido van Rossum wrote:
-> On Nov 24, 2007 6:35 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
-> > Thanks, Titus. Both the doctest and trace tests pass with your change.
-> > Checked back in. I didn't run the full test suite, as test_sqlite causes a
-> > bus error on m
On Fri, Nov 23, 2007 at 10:32:25PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
->
-> Brett> Looks like Skip's r59137 fix for working with tracing has led to
-> Brett> test_doctest to be broken on 2.5 and the trunk (at least
-> Brett> according to the buildbots). Can someone either revert the
->
On Thu, Oct 25, 2007 at 07:59:58AM -0700, Anna Ravenscroft wrote:
-> I noticed at the Grace Hopper Celebration of Women in Computing that
-> several major universities in the US are starting to offer intro (CS1)
-> courses based on Python, among them:
-> Georgia Tech
-> CMU
-> Bryn Mawr
It's been
On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 12:08:52PM -0700, Trent Mick wrote:
-> Thomas Heller wrote:
-> >> Are there others that can provide a Windows buildbot? It would probably
-> >> be good to have two -- and a WinXP one would be good.
-> >
-> > How much work is it to set one up, and to maintain it? Maybe I c
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