Re: [Python-Dev] Python launcher command line usage (Was: 3.2.1 encoding surprise)

2011-07-22 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 20:30, Vlad Riscutia riscutiav...@gmail.com wrote: If versioned filenames are added in addition to python.exe, it still might look confusing for most users: Why do I have python and python3.2 executables? What's the difference? I'd rather go with -v argument either

Re: [Python-Dev] GIL removal question

2011-08-10 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:14, Vlad Riscutia riscutiav...@gmail.com wrote: Removing GIL is interesting work and probably multiple people are willing to contribute. Threading and synchronization is a deep topic and it might be that if just one person toys around with removing GIL he might not

[Python-Dev] Moving forward with the concurrent package

2011-08-10 Thread Brian Curtin
Now that we have concurrent.futures, is there any plan for multiprocessing to follow suit? PEP 3148 mentions a hope to add or move things in the future [0], which would be now. [0] http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3148/#naming ___ Python-Dev mailing

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving forward with the concurrent package

2011-08-10 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 15:36, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Le Wed, 10 Aug 2011 14:54:33 -0500, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org a écrit : 2011/8/10 Brian Curtin brian.cur...@gmail.com: Now that we have concurrent.futures, is there any plan for multiprocessing

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: News item for #12724

2011-08-11 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 00:26, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: Am 11.08.2011 03:34, schrieb brian.curtin: http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/3a6782f2a4a8 changeset: 71811:3a6782f2a4a8 user:Brian Curtin br...@python.org date:Wed Aug 10 20:32:10 2011 -0500 summary

Re: [Python-Dev] FileSystemError or FilesystemError?

2011-08-23 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 13:20, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Hello, When reviewing the PEP 3151 implementation (*), Ezio commented that FileSystemError looks a bit strange and that FilesystemError would be a better spelling. What is your opinion? (*)

Re: [Python-Dev] Windows installers and %PATH%

2011-08-26 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 23:04, Andrew Pennebaker andrew.penneba...@gmail.com wrote: Please have the Windows installers add the Python installation directory to the PATH environment variable. The http://bugs.python.org bug tracker is a better place for feature requests like this, of which

Re: [Python-Dev] Windows installers and %PATH%

2011-08-26 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 12:18, Andrew Pennebaker andrew.penneba...@gmail.com wrote: Also, there's no need to buy in to the Windows toolchain just to edit PATH. Installer software includes functionality for editing environment variables, and in any case Python has built in environment variable

Re: [Python-Dev] Should we move to replace re with regex?

2011-08-27 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 11:48, Dan Stromberg drsali...@gmail.com wrote: No, this was not the intent of __future__. The intent is that a feature is desirable but also backwards incompatible (e.g. introduces a new keyword) so that for 1 (sometimes more) releases we require the users to use the

Re: [Python-Dev] Inconsistent script/console behaviour

2011-09-23 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 18:49, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: A interactive lisp interpreter can detect end-of-statement without a blank line by matching a closing paren to the open paren that starts every expression. Braces-loving programmers around the world are feverishly writing a PEP

[Python-Dev] PyCon 2012 Proposals Due October 12

2011-09-27 Thread Brian Curtin
...@python.org Brian Curtin - Publicity Coordinator - br...@python.org ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail

Re: [Python-Dev] Python compatibility issue with Windows Developer Preview

2011-10-03 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 18:32, Ryan Wells (MP Tech Consulting LLC) v-ry...@microsoft.com wrote: Hello Python Developers, ** ** I am a Program Manager with the Ecosystem Engineering team at Microsoft. We are tracking a issue with Python 3.2.2 on Windows Developer Preview when using

Re: [Python-Dev] Python compatibility issue with Windows Developer Preview

2011-10-04 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:27, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.ukwrote: On 04/10/2011 02:20, Brian Curtin wrote: On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 18:32, Ryan Wells (MP Tech Consulting LLC) v-ry...@microsoft.com wrote: Hello Python Developers, I am a Program Manager with the Ecosystem

Re: [Python-Dev] Python compatibility issue with Windows Developer Preview

2011-10-04 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 13:24, Ryan Wells (MP Tech Consulting LLC) v-ry...@microsoft.com wrote: Please let me know if you have an estimated timeframe to address this issue, and if our team can further assist in this process. No idea about an estimated time frame, but I've entered

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of the built-in virtualenv functionality in 3.3

2011-10-06 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 09:12, Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org wrote: Oh, let’s not forget naming.  We can’t reuse the module name virtualenv as it would shadow the third-party module name, and I’m not fond of “virtualize”: it brings OS-level virtualization to my mind, not isolated Python

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of the built-in virtualenv functionality in 3.3

2011-10-06 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 10:46, Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org wrote: Le 06/10/2011 17:31, Barry Warsaw a écrit : I agree we can't use virtualenv, and shouldn't use virtualize.  I'm afraid that picking something cute might make it harder to discover.  `pythonv` or `cpythonv` seem like good

Re: [Python-Dev] SimpleHTTPServer slashdot (Was: Python Core Tools)

2011-10-07 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 08:57, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote: It's just that SimpleHTTPServer doesn't quite survive slashdot effect. Where do I fill a bug report :) http://bugs.python.org http://www.theonion.com/ ___ Python-Dev mailing

Re: [Python-Dev] Documentation strategy for PEP 3151

2011-10-12 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 09:17, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Hello, I'd like some advice on what the best path is in cases such as:   A :exc:`socket.error` is raised for errors from the call   to :func:`inet_ntop`. Should I replace socket.error with OSError (knowing that the

Re: [Python-Dev] Define Tracker workflow

2011-10-19 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 14:17, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote: The resolution will likely be 'fixed' which doesn't give any info about if the patch was actually committed or not. If there's no commit update in the messages on the issue, you should assume it was not committed. At

Re: [Python-Dev] Building a Faster Python

2013-07-21 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Ben Hoyt benh...@gmail.com wrote: PyBench2.0 shows the total running time dropping from 5653ms to 4571ms. That's very cool -- a significant improvement. Is this the kind of change that could go into 2.7.6 binaries? As a Windows user, it makes me wonder if

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython: Fix #18530. Remove extra stat call from posixpath.ismount

2013-07-22 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 6:36 PM, Victor Stinner victor.stin...@gmail.com wrote: Could you please keep the comment # A symlink can never be a mount point ? It is useful. (I didn't know that, I'm not a windows developer.) I don't think that's specific to Windows, but I added it back in

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3 as a Default in Linux Distros

2013-07-24 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Bohuslav Kabrda bkab...@redhat.com wrote: - Should we point /usr/bin/python to Python 3 when we make the move?

Re: [Python-Dev] Official github mirror for CPython?

2013-07-25 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Christian Heimes christ...@python.org wrote: Am 25.07.2013 16:29, schrieb Eli Bendersky: Hi all, I've been looking for a Github mirror for Python, and found two: * https://github.com/python-git/python has a lot of forks/watches/starts but seems to be very

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 8 modernisation

2013-08-01 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: On 8/1/2013 11:03 AM, Alexander Shorin wrote: ...and, if so, why lambda's?(: Without backward compatibility point I see that they are getting unofficially deprecated and their usage is dishonoured. Please stop both the

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 8 modernisation

2013-08-01 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Brian Curtin br...@python.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: On 8/1/2013 11:03 AM, Alexander Shorin wrote: ...and, if so, why lambda's?(: Without backward compatibility point I see that they are getting unofficially

Re: [Python-Dev] when to fix cross-version bugs?

2013-09-06 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us wrote: I recently committed a fix for unicodeobject.c so that the %d, %i, and %u format specifiers always output values (otherwise, in subclasses, the str() was used instead). Should this be fixed in 3.3 as well? What

Re: [Python-Dev] Support for marking limited API elements in C API docs

2013-10-12 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Serhiy Storchaka storch...@gmail.com wrote: 12.10.13 22:56, Antoine Pitrou написав(ла): On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 21:19:16 +0200 Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: Am 12.10.2013 20:20, schrieb Serhiy Storchaka: 12.10.13 21:04, Georg Brandl написав(ла): in

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython (2.7): Issue #XXXXX: Fix test_idle so that idlelib test cases are actually run

2013-11-03 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: On 11/3/2013 11:48 PM, terry.reedy wrote: http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/cced7981ec4d changeset: 86908:cced7981ec4d branch: 2.7 user:Terry Jan Reedy tjre...@udel.edu date:Sun Nov 03 23:37:54 2013

Re: [Python-Dev] NTPath or WindowsPath?

2013-11-17 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Serhiy Storchaka storch...@gmail.com wrote: 16.11.13 21:15, Antoine Pitrou написав(ла): In a (private) discussion about PEP 428 and pathlib, Guido proposed that maybe NTPath should be renamed to WindowsPath, since the name is more likely to stay relevant in

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 0404 and VS 2010

2013-11-20 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Christian Tismer tis...@stackless.com wrote: Hey Barry, On 20.11.13 23:30, Barry Warsaw wrote: On Nov 20, 2013, at 09:52 PM, Christian Tismer wrote: Many customers are forced to stick with Python 2.X because of other products, but they require a Python

Re: [Python-Dev] Running the unit test as root/administrator

2013-12-04 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Ryan Gonzalez rym...@gmail.com wrote: Just don't run it on Windows... Not helpful. I'm in meetings/training/traveling all week, but I'll get another Windows build slave up within the next few days. I used to have a spare desktop box that ran a build slave as

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.x vs 3.x survey results

2014-01-05 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 3:08 AM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 5:20 AM, John Yeuk Hon Wong gokoproj...@gmail.com wrote: I think it helps Luca and many others (including myself) if there is a reference of the difference between 2.7 and Python 3.3+. Not

Re: [Python-Dev] Enable Hostname and Certificate Chain Validation

2014-01-22 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 12:10 PM, John Yeuk Hon Wong gokoproj...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/22/14 8:16 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: Which is exactly the way most non-web-specialists working inside the comfort of corporate and academic firewalls will react to a change that breaks their access to

Re: [Python-Dev] str.rreplace

2014-01-24 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 24/01/2014 17:19, Ram Rachum wrote: Hmm, on one hand I understand the need for the separation between python-dev and python-list, but on the other hand I don't think python-list is a good place to discuss

Re: [Python-Dev] str.rreplace

2014-01-24 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 24/01/2014 22:44, Brian Curtin wrote: On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 24/01/2014 17:19, Ram Rachum wrote: Hmm, on one hand I understand the need

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: [python-tulip] Need help to finish asyncio documentation

2014-02-08 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 6:00 PM, MRAB pyt...@mrabarnett.plus.com wrote: On 2014-02-08 23:32, Guido van Rossum wrote: We could really use more help reviewing and finishing asyncio's docs! Some spelling mistakes: http://docs.python.org/dev/library/asyncio.html mimicks

Re: [Python-Dev] Getting Introduced with the Community and Looking forward to Contribute to the Project as part of Gsoc 2014

2014-02-09 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Nitika nitikaagarwa...@gmail.com wrote: I had got myself aware of the source to some extent and had forked on my github account. The python source isn't forked in your github. A Github mirror of the Mercurial repository (hg.python.org) is available at

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 4: don't remove anything, don't break backward compatibility

2014-03-10 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Victor Stinner victor.stin...@gmail.com wrote: For example, I propose to release the next major Python version (3.5) with the version 4.0 but without removing anything. People put a lot of weight behind version numbers, often much more than they should. Jumping

Re: [Python-Dev] Bitbucket mirror?

2012-06-28 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Tim Golden mail at timgolden.me.uk writes: Just recently I'm sure I saw a post saying that the main Python repo was mirrored on bitbucket.org for the convenience of developers who could then fork to their own

Re: [Python-Dev] venv scripts for fish and csh shells

2012-07-23 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Andrew Svetlov andrew.svet...@gmail.com wrote: I thought my proposition is minor change, but if it's too late for 3.3 — I'm ok. Very simply, the first beta is when feature freeze goes into effect. This is a really common policy that has been in effect for a

Re: [Python-Dev] Doc/ACKS and Misc/ACKS

2012-07-23 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Jesus Cea j...@jcea.es wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23/07/12 19:30, Eli Bendersky wrote: That said, we could probably merge Doc/ACKS and Misc/ACKS (*). There doesn't seem to be any strong argument for separating doc contributions

Re: [Python-Dev] Building python 2.7.3 with Visual Studio 2012 (VS11.0)

2012-07-24 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Wim Colgate wimcolg...@gmail.com wrote: Please forgive me if this is not the prescribed method for asking this question. For various reasons, I would like to build python 2.7.3 from source using the latest VS tools (VS11.0 is in RC -- which is close enough

Re: [Python-Dev] Tests of of 2.7 tip on Ubuntu 12.04 amd64

2012-08-10 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Juancarlo Añez (Apalala) apal...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Please let me know if this is normal: 1 test failed: test_readline 1 test altered the execution environment: test_subprocess 32 tests skipped: test_aepack test_al test_applesingle

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython (merge 3.2 - default): Merge 3.2

2012-08-13 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 5:13 PM, brian.curtin python-check...@python.org wrote: http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/256bfee696c5 changeset: 78552:256bfee696c5 parent: 78549:edcbf3edf701 parent: 78551:fcad4566910b user:Brian Curtin br...@python.org date:Mon Aug 13 17

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.7: only Visual Studio 2008?

2012-08-21 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 5:24 AM, Luc Bourhis luc_j_bour...@mac.com wrote: Greetings, it is my understanding that the patches floating around the net to support Visual Studio 2010 to compile the Python core and for distutils will never be accepted and therefore that the 2.7 line is stuck to

Re: [Python-Dev] core dev IRC nicks

2012-08-28 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 10:58 PM, Chris Jerdonek chris.jerdo...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a list somewhere of the IRC nicks of the core developers that use IRC (and who wish to be listed) alongside their real names? If there is no such list, has there ever been discussion on python-dev of

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Bug Day in October

2012-09-27 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org wrote: Hi all, The Montreal-Python user group would like to host a bug day on October 27 (to be confirmed) at a partner university in Montreal. It would be cool to do a bug day on IRC like we used to (and in other physical

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Bug Day in October

2012-10-01 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Maciej Szulik solt...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/28/2012 12:30 AM, Éric Araujo wrote: Hi all, The Montreal-Python user group would like to host a bug day on October 27 (to be confirmed) at a partner university in Montreal. It would be cool to do a bug day on IRC

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposed schedule for Python 3.4

2012-10-03 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Larry Hastings la...@hastings.org wrote: On 10/03/2012 04:55 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: Regardless of when the first alpha happens, I'll be promoting the hell out of it, begging for feedback on any of these changes that are available by then (which should be

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposed schedule for Python 3.4

2012-10-03 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Larry Hastings la...@hastings.org wrote: On 10/03/2012 05:28 PM, Brian Curtin wrote: The webstats in April 2012 show 5628 downloads of 3.3a1 and 4946 downloads of 3.3a2 Windows installers. I'd love to know how much feedback we got as a result

Re: [Python-Dev] Stdlib and timezones, again

2012-10-04 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Zachary Ware zachary.ware+py...@gmail.com wrote: It occurred to me this morning that Python already ships a set of timezone data with the Windows installer: Tcl/Tk's. Is there any way we could use that as the default on Windows? I would say no. You could

Re: [Python-Dev] AUTO: Jon K Peck is out of the office

2012-10-15 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Jon K Peck p...@us.ibm.com wrote: I am out of the office until 10/16/2012. I will be out of the office Monday 10/15/12. I will not have email access during this time. Note: This is an automated response to your message Python-Dev Digest, Vol 111, Issue

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Bug Day in October

2012-10-23 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org wrote: Hello, Le 12/10/2012 13:50, Petri Lehtinen a écrit : It's two and a half weeks left, but I've not seen any announcements yet! Indeed, work and other commitments took over, so we (Montréal-Python) decided to move the bug

[Python-Dev] Acceptance of PEPs

2012-10-28 Thread Brian Curtin
I just found out that PEP 430 came up again and was approved, but only because of another website. After that I looked back through my email only to find mention via python-checkins. Aren't PEPs typically acted on here on python-dev? I mention this because I was writing up a blog.python.org post

Re: [Python-Dev] performance of {} versus dict()

2012-11-14 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Mark Adam dreamingforw...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 3:12 AM, Chris Withers ch...@simplistix.co.uk wrote: Hi All, A colleague pointed me at Doug's excellent article here: ...which made me a little sad, I suspect I'm not the only one who finds:

Re: [Python-Dev] performance of {} versus dict()

2012-11-14 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 3:20 PM, MRAB pyt...@mrabarnett.plus.com wrote: On 2012-11-14 20:53, Mark Adam wrote: On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Xavier Morel catch-...@masklinn.net wrote: On 2012-11-14, at 19:54 , Mark Adam wrote: Merging of two dicts is done with dict.update. No,

Re: [Python-Dev] performance of {} versus dict()

2012-11-14 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Brandon W Maister bwmais...@gmail.com wrote: To (mis-)quote Antoine: -- d1 = {1:2} -- d2 = {'3':4} -- dict(d1, **d2) {1: 2, '3': 4} Apparently it is valid syntax. Just make sure you keys for the ** operator are valid strings. :) or not:

Re: [Python-Dev] externals?

2012-11-18 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 6:18 AM, mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Zitat von Armin Rigo ar...@tunes.org: Hi, On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: One way would be to use one hg repo per version, and (maybe, if needed) a master repo that has them as subrepos.

[Python-Dev] New Contributor Experience in Python and other FOSS Communities - A Survey

2012-11-19 Thread Brian Curtin
=en There's a longer blog post up at http://blog.python.org/2012/11/new-contributor-experience-in-python.html if you would like a bit more information. On behalf of Kevin Carillo, I thank you for your time and consideration of this survey. Brian Curtin

Re: [Python-Dev] New Contributor Experience in Python and other FOSS Communities - A Survey

2012-11-27 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Brian Curtin br...@python.org wrote: Hi all, Along with a number of other free and open communities, Python is being included in a survey of new contributors since January 2010. The survey is being done by Kevin Carillo, a PhD student at Victoria University

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposing Argument Clinic, a new way of specifying arguments to builtins for CPython

2012-12-04 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote: But going through python-ideas for this I think is a bit much. It would never end. I think an issue on roundup could work just fine. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] Is is worth disentangling distutils?

2012-12-10 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Antonio Cavallo a.cava...@cavallinux.eu wrote: I'm not into the py3 at all so I wonder how possibly it could fit/collide into the big plan. Or I'll be wasting my time? If you're not doing it on Python 3 then you are wasting your time.

Re: [Python-Dev] Draft PEP for time zone support.

2012-12-11 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 December 2012 15:39, Dirkjan Ochtman dirk...@ochtman.nl wrote: Should the windows installer include the data package? -- It has been suggested that the Windows

Re: [Python-Dev] Draft PEP for time zone support.

2012-12-12 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote: General comments: It seems like the consensus is moving towards making sure there always is a database available. If this means including it in the standard Python distribution as well, or only on Windows, I don't

Re: [Python-Dev] Draft PEP for time zone support.

2012-12-12 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 6:10 PM, MRAB pyt...@mrabarnett.plus.com wrote: On 2012-12-12 23:33, Lennart Regebro wrote: On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:23 AM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: As a Windows user, I would like there to be one tz data file used by all Python versions on my machine,

Re: [Python-Dev] Draft PEP for time zone support.

2012-12-12 Thread Brian Curtin
On Dec 12, 2012 7:24 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: On 12/12/2012 7:27 PM, Brian Curtin wrote: On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 6:10 PM, MRAB pyt...@mrabarnett.plus.com wrote: On 2012-12-12 23:33, Lennart Regebro wrote: On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:23 AM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote

Re: [Python-Dev] Draft PEP for time zone support.

2012-12-12 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Janzert janz...@janzert.com wrote: On 12/12/2012 8:43 PM, Glenn Linderman wrote: On 12/12/2012 5:36 PM, Brian Curtin wrote: C:\ProgramData\Python ^ That. Is not the path that the link below is talking about, though. It actually does

[Python-Dev] PandaBoard, Raspberry Pi coming to Buildbot fleet

2012-12-20 Thread Brian Curtin
Last week in Raymond's dictionary thread, the topic of ARM came up, along with the relative lack of build slave coverage. Today Trent Nelson received the PandaBoard purchased by the PSF, and a Raspberry Pi should be coming shortly as well.

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython: Fix #14470. Remove w9xpopen per PEP 11.

2012-12-24 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 2:36 AM, Andrew Svetlov andrew.svet...@gmail.com wrote: You missed artifacts in ./PC/VC6 ./PC/VS7.1 ./PC/VS8.0 ./PC/VS9.0 Fixed in http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/deee9f0a4b98 Also reported http://bugs.python.org/issue16769 about removing some those directories because

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 3145 (With Contents)

2012-12-24 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 7:42 AM, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote: What should I do in case Eric lost interest after his GSoC project for PSF appeared as useless for python-dev community? Should I rewrite the proposal from scratch? Before you attempt that, start by trying to have a

[Python-Dev] FYI - wiki.python.org compromised

2013-01-07 Thread Brian Curtin
On December 28th, an unknown attacker used a previously unknown remote code exploit on http://wiki.python.org/. The attacker was able to get shell access as the moin user, but no other services were affected. Some time later, the attacker deleted all files owned by the moin user, including all

Re: [Python-Dev] BDFL delegation for PEP 426 (PyPI metadata 1.3)

2013-02-03 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Simon Cross hodgestar+python...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 9:42 PM, Daniel Holth dho...@gmail.com wrote: Bento is the only available packaging tool to heap praise onto and it is impressive. If Bento is cool, is there some way we can help it gain

[Python-Dev] PyCon Tickets Almost Sold Out

2013-02-06 Thread Brian Curtin
Since the Language Summit is held at PyCon I think this counts as on-topic... If you're interested in going to the conference, there are under 50 tickets remaining: https://us.pycon.org/2013/registration/ ___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [Python-Dev] My CLA

2013-02-11 Thread Brian Curtin
of the discussion. Brian Curtin Director Python Software Foundation ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail

Re: [Python-Dev] Built with VS2012 Express for desktop

2013-02-19 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM, rahul garg rahulg...@live.ca wrote: Hi. I downloaded Python 3.3 source, opened up the solution in VS2012 Express for Desktop and built the python subproject using Release and x64 configurations. I now have a python.exe in the PCBuild/amd64 subfolder that

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Language Summit at PyCon: Agenda

2013-02-27 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Michael Foord mich...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: Hello all, PyCon, and the Python Language Summit, is nearly upon us. We have a good number of people confirmed to attend. If you are intending to come to the language summit but haven't let me know please do so.

[Python-Dev] Introducing Electronic Contributor Agreements

2013-03-04 Thread Brian Curtin
The full announcement is at http://blog.python.org/2013/03/introducing-electronic-contributor.html, but a summary follows. We've now moved to an electronic Contributor License Agreement form at http://www.python.org/psf/contrib/contrib-form/ which will hopefully ease the signing and sending of

Re: [Python-Dev] Introducing Electronic Contributor Agreements

2013-03-04 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Skip Montanaro s...@pobox.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Brian Curtin br...@python.org wrote: The full announcement is at http://blog.python.org/2013/03/introducing-electronic-contributor.html, but a summary follows. ... Brian, Do you want

Re: [Python-Dev] VC++ 2008 Express Edition now locked away?

2013-03-06 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any plan for future Python versions to use a free compiler on Windows? That would eliminate this issue, but presumably would create others. No plan, although there are at times patches/issues floating around to

Re: [Python-Dev] IDLE in the stdlib

2013-03-20 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Xavier Morel python-...@masklinn.net wrote: That would be a blow to educators, but also Windows users: while the CLI works very nicely in unices, that's not the case with the win32 console which is as best as I can describe it a complete turd, making IDLE a

[Python-Dev] Google Summer of Code - Organization Deadline Approaching - March 29

2013-03-26 Thread Brian Curtin
Just an FYI that there are under 3 days to apply to Google Summer of Code for mentoring organizations: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2013. The student application deadline is later on in May. If you run a project that is interested in applying under the Python umbrella

Re: [Python-Dev] Destructors and Closing of File Objects

2013-04-11 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 12:04 AM, Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org wrote: [ Note: I already asked this on http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15917502 but didn't get any satisfactory answers] Sorry, but that's not a reason to repost your question to this list. If you have to ask somewhere else,

Re: [Python-Dev] I cannot create bug reports

2013-04-24 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Daniel Wong allyourc...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you. That was the problem. I feel kind of stupid now. In my defense, the error message could have been more helpful, and requesting the bug creation form could have thrown up a login error instead of showing up

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 379 Python launcher for Windows - behaviour for #!/usr/bin/env python line is wrong

2013-05-03 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote: I would propose that the behaviour of the launcher on Windows should be changed when it encounters specifically the hashbang line #!/usr/bin/env python. In that case, it should search PATH for a copy of python.exe, and if it

Re: [Python-Dev] Any script to create the installation pacakge of Python 3.3.1 on Windows and *NIX?

2013-05-08 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 7:37 PM, Jianfeng Mao j...@rocketsoftware.com wrote: To Python-Dev committers: I am working on a project to embed a slightly customized Python interpreter in our own software. For easy installation and setup, we want to be able to do the standard Python installation

Re: [Python-Dev] make a Windows installation package (.msi) for Python 3.3

2013-05-10 Thread Brian Curtin
feature. Brian Curtin (br...@python.org) pointed me to Tools/msi/msi.py for the Windows MSI builder. I tried to follow the instructions in the README but couldn’t make it to work after a few twists and turns. Brian mentioned that few people needs to do this and only release managers handle

Re: [Python-Dev] First post

2013-05-14 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Carlos Nepomuceno carlosnepomuc...@outlook.com wrote: Hi guys! This is my first post on this list. I'd like have your opinion on how to safely implement WSGI on a production server. My benchmarks show no performance differences between our PHP and Python

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.7.5 baking

2013-05-15 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: Am 15.05.2013 09:55, schrieb M.-A. Lemburg: On 12.05.2013 06:03, Benjamin Peterson wrote: The long anticipated emergency 2.7.5 release has now been tagged. It will be publicly announced as binaries arrive. Originally, I

Re: [Python-Dev] Suggestion: new 3 release with backwards compatibility

2010-01-05 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 10:10, Juan Fernando Herrera J. juan...@gmail.comwrote: How about a new python 3 release with (possibly partial) backwards compatibility with 2.6? I'm a big 3 fan, but I'm dismayed at the way major software hasn't been ported to it. I'm eager to use 3, but paradoxically,

Re: [Python-Dev] bug triage

2010-01-06 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 06:57, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: I believe someone (Daniel Diniz, maybe?) did do a pass over those some time in the last 12 months, so most of the obviously irrelevant ones that are that old should already be gone. Not to say it isn't worth doing another

Re: [Python-Dev] bug triage

2010-01-06 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 19:28, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote: On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 17:22, R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.comwrote: On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 11:03:32 -0800, Brett Cannon wrote: On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 06:57, Brian Curtin brian.cur...@gmail.com wrote: On the topic

Re: [Python-Dev] topics I plan to discuss at the language summit

2010-01-11 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 14:25, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote: * any changes needed to the issue tracker to help with the workflow? (stage field seems like a failed experiment and we now have several effective triage people who can help w/ guiding changes) -Brett I think it would be

Re: [Python-Dev] Bazaar branches available (again) on Launchpad

2010-01-19 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 21:43, David Lyon david.l...@pythontest.org wrote: Being honest, if wonderful libraries like Sphinx and Mercurial and Git and BZR can't make it into the stdlib, then there is no hope for even newer code to get in there. I'm not entirely sure I see why the inclusion

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-09 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 06:45, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Le Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:16:15 +0200, anatoly techtonik a écrit : I've noticed a couple of issues that 100% crash Python 2.6.4 like this

Re: [Python-Dev] setUpClass and setUpModule in unittest

2010-02-09 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:29, Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: I'm pretty sure I can introduce setUpClass and setUpModule without breaking compatibility with existing unittest extensions or backwards

Re: [Python-Dev] deprecated stuff in standard library

2010-02-19 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 08:40, Sjoerd Mullender sjo...@acm.org wrote: On 2010-02-19 14:10, Guido van Rossum wrote: Isn't mhlib itself deprecated? (It's gone in Py3k.) I wouldn't like that, but it is beside my point. If a module is deprecated, then it should not be used in released code.

Re: [Python-Dev] contributor to committer

2010-02-24 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 18:48, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Le Wed, 24 Feb 2010 12:13:10 +, Florent Xicluna a écrit : Hello, I am a semi-regular contributor for Python: I have contributed many patches since end of last year, some of them were reviewed by Antoine.

Re: [Python-Dev] argparse ugliness

2010-03-05 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:51, Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com wrote: I generally enjoy argparse, but one thing I find rather ugly and unpythonic. parser.add_argument ('--plot', action='store_true') Specifying the argument 'action' as a string is IMO ugly. What else would you propose?

Re: [Python-Dev] Tracker reviews workflow and flags

2010-03-19 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 03:09, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.comwrote: I want to push some of my patches before 2.7 and use 5-1 rule for that, but I can't come up with any review workflow other than mailing status of my comments to the issues here. I can't mark issues in any way. How

Re: [Python-Dev] Tracker opened/closed issue list: missing?

2010-03-20 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 11:02, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: I did not receive the usual Friday tracker post on issues opened and closed during the past week. Did anyone else? I am reading via gmane. Terry Jan Reedy I actually haven't seen that mail in a few weeks (subscribed to the

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