Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 12:19:21 AM UTC+13, wrong.a...@gmail.com wrote: > I have some VB forms with more than a hundred objects. If I cannot drag and > drop text boxes, list boxes, labels, etc., it will be too much work to create > that with several lines of code for each object. You

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On 06/05/2016 10:01 PM, Michael Torrie wrote: > I've thought about this before and even tried my hand at creating a nice > library for doing this sort of thing with Python. Generators seem like > a natural analog for the shell pipes. However there is one big problem > with them and that is they

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On 03/02/2016 03:36 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Requirements for what I have in mind: > > 1. It would have to be and feel like real Python. > > 2. External commands should be available as callable Python functions. > > 3. Functions/commands should return streams. (Generators, maybe?) > >

Re: Lineendings (was Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?)

On 2016-06-05 08:34, Rustom Mody wrote: Just came across this new data (for me) to this old question: On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 8:05:33 AM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote: Rustom Mody writes: > On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 7:33:18 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote: > > Never has for any

Re: Lineendings (was Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?)

Just came across this new data (for me) to this old question: On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 8:05:33 AM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote: > Rustom Mody writes: > > > On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 7:33:18 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote: > > > Never has for any of my projects. Examples please?

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On 2/27/2016 10:13 AM, wrong.addres...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, 27 February 2016 18:08:36 UTC+2, Dietmar Schwertberger wrote: On 27.02.2016 12:18, wrong.addres...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't there any good GUI IDE like Visual Basic? I hope there are some less well known GUI IDEs which I did

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

Christian Gollwitzer : > Have a look at PowerShell. It's not Python, and it is from MS - but it > works along those lines, passing .NET objects through the pipe. Owing > to that, instead of $2=="something" in the awk progra, you can address > the field(attribute) $2 by the

Re: Speaking of Javascript [was Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?]

On 2016-03-02, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 5:29 AM, Jon Ribbens > wrote: >> On 2016-03-02, Chris Angelico wrote: >>> You're no more vulnerable looking at one of those listings >>> than you would be going to a

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

Am 02.03.16 um 09:20 schrieb Marko Rauhamaa: Chris Angelico : On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: I was talking about JSON for the standard I/O, not the command-line arguments, as in: ps -ef | awk '/httpd/ { print $2 }' where "ps

Re: Speaking of Javascript [was Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?]

On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 5:29 AM, Jon Ribbens wrote: > On 2016-03-02, Chris Angelico wrote: >> To be fair, this isn't a JS exploit; it's a trusting-of-trust issue - >> eBay has declared that you can trust them to sanitize their sellers' >> listings,

Re: Speaking of Javascript [was Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?]

On 2016-03-02, Chris Angelico wrote: > To be fair, this isn't a JS exploit; it's a trusting-of-trust issue - > eBay has declared that you can trust them to sanitize their sellers' > listings, and so you trust eBay, but this exploit gets past the > filter. This is true. It

Re: Speaking of Javascript [was Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?]

On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 4:05 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Speaking of Javascript exploits: > > http://thedailywtf.com/articles/bidding-on-security > > > This is a real exploit, and Ebay have refused to fix it. Yay them! > > More here: > >

Speaking of Javascript [was Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?]

Speaking of Javascript exploits: http://thedailywtf.com/articles/bidding-on-security This is a real exploit, and Ebay have refused to fix it. Yay them! More here: http://blog.checkpoint.com/2016/02/02/ebay-platform-exposed-to-severe-vulnerability/ -- Steven --

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

Gordon Levi : > I find it difficult to believe that you _love_ updating your contacts > using Emacs even if it gives you an excuse to get some therapy from > Eliza. It seems equally unlikely that you can do without phone numbers > and addresses for your contacts. WP8

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >Gordon Levi : > >> Nobody likes filling in forms but how do you suggest converting a form >> based app into something loveable. > >Straight HTML does forms just fine without CSS or JavaScript, yet few >can resist. > >> What

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

Chris Angelico : > On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> I was talking about JSON for the standard I/O, not the command-line >> arguments, as in: >> >>ps -ef | awk '/httpd/ { print $2 }' >> >> where "ps -ef" emits SPC-separated fields

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Steven D'Aprano : > >> On Wed, 2 Mar 2016 05:06 am, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >>> A python shell would need a well-thought-out default import plus a >>> way to string together external commands. Maybe JSON

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

Steven D'Aprano : > On Wed, 2 Mar 2016 05:06 am, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> A python shell would need a well-thought-out default import plus a >> way to string together external commands. Maybe JSON or similar could >> be the standard I/O framing format (instead of

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 6:19:21 AM UTC-5, wrong.a...@gmail.com wrote: > I have some VB forms with more than a hundred objects. If I cannot drag and > drop text boxes, list boxes, labels, etc., it will be too much work to create > that with several lines of code for each object. > >

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Wed, 2 Mar 2016 05:07 am, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:44 AM, Steven D'Aprano > wrote: >> A better analogy is: >> >> When I add cocaine to my stew, the result is a appallingly bad for those >> who eat it. Do you have any idea how rough cocaine is on

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Wed, 2 Mar 2016 05:06 am, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > >> Steven D'Aprano : >> >>> On Sun, 28 Feb 2016 11:38 pm, BartC wrote: It's the GUI users who are the Neanderthals, having to effectively

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Wed, 2 Mar 2016 05:06 am, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Steven D'Aprano : > >> On Sun, 28 Feb 2016 11:38 pm, BartC wrote: >>> It's the GUI users who are the Neanderthals, having to effectively >>> point at things with sticks. Or have to physically move that rock >>> themselves

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

Steven D'Aprano : > On Sun, 28 Feb 2016 11:38 pm, BartC wrote: >> It's the GUI users who are the Neanderthals, having to effectively >> point at things with sticks. Or have to physically move that rock >> themselves (ie. drag a file to a wastebasket). > > I haven't physically

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:44 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Mon, 29 Feb 2016 07:33 pm, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >>> As for why you should avoid JS/CSS, Web pages open very slowly, jump >>> around

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Mon, 29 Feb 2016 07:33 pm, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> As for why you should avoid JS/CSS, Web pages open very slowly, jump >> around wildly during rendering and have unexpected artifacts (not to >> mention the numerous

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Sun, 28 Feb 2016 11:38 pm, BartC wrote: > On 28/02/2016 06:34, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > >> GUI elements are by definition graphical in nature, and like other >> graphical elements, manipulation by hand is superior to command-based >> manipulation. Graphical interfaces for manipulating

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 2/29/2016 3:20 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> Incidentally, HTML+CSS is another excellent example of code being used >> to create a visual effect. While there *are* WYSIWYG HTML editors, I'm >> not familiar with any WYISWYG

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On 2/29/2016 3:20 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: Incidentally, HTML+CSS is another excellent example of code being used to create a visual effect. While there *are* WYSIWYG HTML editors, I'm not familiar with any WYISWYG HTML+CSS editors, and I much more often see a fast-turnaround code editing

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 5:17 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: >> A lot of web sites these days load nothing but a script >> that goes and loads everything else, while you gaze at a splash >> screen. IMO that's unideal. > > :) > > "Unideal" is too kind -- I would described it as

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On 2016-02-29, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 2:43 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: >> On 2016-02-29, Chris Angelico wrote: >> >>> Abjuring JS may be a virtue (or at least, making it a non-critical >>> part of your web site),

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 2:43 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2016-02-29, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> Abjuring JS may be a virtue (or at least, making it a non-critical >> part of your web site), > > Except the marketing people who decide on the requirements

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On 2016-02-29, Chris Angelico wrote: > Abjuring JS may be a virtue (or at least, making it a non-critical > part of your web site), Except the marketing people who decide on the requirements will never, ever settle for what you can do with plain HTML/CSS. In my experience,

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On 29/02/2016 00:49, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Mon, 29 Feb 2016 01:29 am, BartC wrote: 20 years ago, when these things were simpler, MS Word had a mind of its own even then. I had to produce a manual of few hundred pages, with diagrams and images, and it just wasn't going to happen. Not

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

Chris Angelico : > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> As for why you should avoid JS/CSS, Web pages open very slowly, jump >> around wildly during rendering and have unexpected artifacts (not to >> mention the numerous data collection

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

Chris Angelico : > CSS is important to document structure and layout. Most Web pages had better not concern themselves with layout but with info content only. Unfortunately, HTML is a dirt-poor language for markup (no extensibility or programmability) so I can understand the

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > As for why you should avoid JS/CSS, Web pages open very slowly, jump > around wildly during rendering and have unexpected artifacts (not to > mention the numerous data collection abuses) when they are encumbered > with

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

Rustom Mody : > On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 11:48:25 AM UTC+5:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> Gordon Levi : >> >> > Nobody likes filling in forms but how do you suggest converting a form >> > based app into something loveable. >> >> Straight HTML does forms just fine

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:20 PM, Rustom Mody wrote: > On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 11:48:25 AM UTC+5:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> Gordon Levi : >> >> > Nobody likes filling in forms but how do you suggest converting a form >> > based app into something loveable. >> >>

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 11:48:25 AM UTC+5:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Gordon Levi : > > > Nobody likes filling in forms but how do you suggest converting a form > > based app into something loveable. > > Straight HTML does forms just fine without CSS or JavaScript, yet few > can resist.

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

Gordon Levi : > Nobody likes filling in forms but how do you suggest converting a form > based app into something loveable. Straight HTML does forms just fine without CSS or JavaScript, yet few can resist. > What interface would make you love adding a new contact to your

Re: Lineendings (was Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?)

On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 8:05:33 AM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote: > Rustom Mody writes: > > > On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 7:33:18 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote: > > > Never has for any of my projects. Examples please? Actual real > > > problems? I've been using git for years, on

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >Rustom Mody : > >> On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 7:22:08 PM UTC+5:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >>> Rustom Mody : >>> >>> > whereas in fact every significant GUI embeds text (possibly >>> > recursively) >>> > >>> > eg TI inside GUI

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

Steven D'Aprano wrote: That's exactly why I miss Hypercard so much. The builder and the runtime are the same thing. Maybe someone would like to resurrect this project: http://pythoncard.sourceforge.net/ -- Greg -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Lineendings (was Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?)

Rustom Mody writes: > On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 7:33:18 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote: > > Never has for any of my projects. Examples please? Actual real > > problems? I've been using git for years, on mixed platforms for a lot > > of that, and not had a single

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Mon, 29 Feb 2016 04:53 am, Chris Angelico wrote: > For example, I have a Dungeons & Dragons character sheet display, in > which there are large numbers of entry fields (editable), labels > (non-editable display, usually calculated from other fields), and less > commonly, drop-down lists and

Re: Lineendings (was Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?)

On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 7:33:18 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Rustom Mody wrote: > > On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 7:20:19 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Rustom Mody wrote: > >> > Unfortunately that's

Re: Lineendings (was Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?)

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Rustom Mody wrote: > On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 7:20:19 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Rustom Mody wrote: >> > Unfortunately that's the outlook all major VCSes (not just git) have >> > started

Re: Lineendings (was Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?)

On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 7:20:19 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Rustom Mody wrote: > > Unfortunately that's the outlook all major VCSes (not just git) have started > > with and its wrong. > > Speaking somewhat simplistically: > > On windows one

Re: Lineendings (was Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?)

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Rustom Mody wrote: > Unfortunately that's the outlook all major VCSes (not just git) have started > with and its wrong. > Speaking somewhat simplistically: > On windows one should see CRLF > On *nix LF > And this SHOULD NOT be a diff! >

Lineendings (was Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?)

On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 6:09:33 AM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Mon, 29 Feb 2016 01:26 am, Chris Warrick wrote: > > >> git is a *collaborative* tool and should work when the other party is > >> using notepad. > > > > What should git do if someone saves, say, Ruby code as a .py

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On 02/27/2016 11:13 AM, wrong.addres...@gmail.com wrote: > On Saturday, 27 February 2016 18:08:36 UTC+2, Dietmar Schwertberger >> As of today, there's no Python GUI builder comparable to VB 6. > Thanks for stating this clearly. Everyone here has been trying to > show me various ways to do the

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Ben Finney wrote: >> Who is the boss here? The user of the tool, or the tool? > > We are unfortunately a slave to decisions made long in the past, to > record some metadata – line endings, text encoding – as in-band content > rather

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

Steven D'Aprano writes: > Changing line endings is neither a structural nor a semantic change to > the content of the file. It's effectively metadata, not data. Hmm. Unlike other examples you give (like filesystem permissions on the file) the line endings *are* content in

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > If I open a Python file in my editor, accidentally or deliberately change > the content to Ruby code, save and commit, then the VCS obviously should > track the changes because they are actual changes. "Oops, I

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Mon, 29 Feb 2016 01:29 am, BartC wrote: > 20 years ago, when these things were simpler, MS Word had a mind of its > own even then. I had to produce a manual of few hundred pages, with > diagrams and images, and it just wasn't going to happen. Not without > spending a year on it. And employing

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On 2/28/2016 9:29 AM, BartC wrote: (Have you ever had a situation where you have to edit a bit of text where a word is in italic or has some particular style. You delete the word, and try and add some more text, but it persists in using the style of the deleted text rather than the current

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Mon, 29 Feb 2016 01:26 am, Chris Warrick wrote: >> git is a *collaborative* tool and should work when the other party is >> using notepad. > > What should git do if someone saves, say, Ruby code as a .py file? > Should it rename it? Or should it figure out an equivalent snippet of > Python?

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Mon, 29 Feb 2016 12:51 am, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Rustom Mody : > >> whereas in fact every significant GUI embeds text (possibly recursively) >> >> eg TI inside GUI -- think of text inside gimp >> GUI inside TI -- think of Word embedding other doc types including >>

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

Rustom Mody : > On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 8:38:49 PM UTC+5:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> We are talking about GUI tools to produce what? Crap? > > You (seem to) be saying that excel is crap. > Do you know it well enough to make that judgement? > Do you have equivalent

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On 28.02.2016 19:47, mm0fmf wrote: I'm no C# expert but I inherited the support of some C# projects. One uses a form to hold the UI objects. When the program is loaded in VS, you see the form and you can drag and drop objects to the form and edit the object properties (text, font, colours

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On 27/02/2016 18:13, wrong.addres...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, 27 February 2016 18:08:36 UTC+2, Dietmar Schwertberger wrote: On 27.02.2016 12:18, wrong.addres...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't there any good GUI IDE like Visual Basic? I hope there are some less well known GUI IDEs which I did

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 11:50 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Sun, 28 Feb 2016 07:44 pm, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Steven D'Aprano >> wrote: > [...] >>> Drag-and-drop GUI builders have the same advantages over code as

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On 28.02.2016 18:03, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: Office 2002 (or was it 2003... Whatever I had on my WinXP box) was, I thought, rather easy to work styles in... Automatically shifting from header to body text style on ; Having first body paragraph after a header use block format while

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On 28/02/2016 14:00, Chris Warrick wrote: On 28 February 2016 at 14:49, Rustom Mody wrote: On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 6:54:40 PM UTC+5:30, Gordon Levi wrote: Rustom Mody wrote: Glade generates XML (last I saw) XML is text... kinda... but not quite eg XML is

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 7:57:17 PM UTC+5:30, Chris Warrick wrote: > (Notepad does not understand LF line endings and replaces them with > boxes. I also don't think a Notepad user is likely to provide good > contributions, but that's another thing) You seem to have not worked in a web dev

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 8:38:49 PM UTC+5:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Rustom Mody : > > > On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 7:22:08 PM UTC+5:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > >> Rustom Mody : > >> > >> > whereas in fact every significant GUI embeds text (possibly > >> > recursively) > >> > > >> >

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

Rustom Mody : > On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 7:22:08 PM UTC+5:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> Rustom Mody : >> >> > whereas in fact every significant GUI embeds text (possibly >> > recursively) >> > >> > eg TI inside GUI -- think of text inside gimp GUI inside TI -- >> >

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On 28/02/2016 14:03, Rustom Mody wrote: On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 7:22:08 PM UTC+5:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: Rustom Mody : whereas in fact every significant GUI embeds text (possibly recursively) eg TI inside GUI -- think of text inside gimp GUI inside TI -- think of Word embedding

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On 28 February 2016 at 15:11, Rustom Mody wrote: > On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 7:30:57 PM UTC+5:30, Chris Warrick wrote: >> On 28 February 2016 at 14:49, Rustom Mody wrote: >> > On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 6:54:40 PM UTC+5:30, Gordon Levi wrote: >> >> Rustom Mody

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 7:30:57 PM UTC+5:30, Chris Warrick wrote: > On 28 February 2016 at 14:49, Rustom Mody wrote: > > On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 6:54:40 PM UTC+5:30, Gordon Levi wrote: > >> Rustom Mody wrote: > >> >Glade generates XML (last I saw) > >> >XML is text... kinda...

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 7:22:08 PM UTC+5:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Rustom Mody : > > > whereas in fact every significant GUI embeds text (possibly recursively) > > > > eg TI inside GUI -- think of text inside gimp > > GUI inside TI -- think of Word embedding other doc types including

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On 28 February 2016 at 14:49, Rustom Mody wrote: > On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 6:54:40 PM UTC+5:30, Gordon Levi wrote: >> Rustom Mody wrote: >> >Glade generates XML (last I saw) >> >XML is text... kinda... but not quite >> >eg XML is sometimes/somewhere space

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

Rustom Mody : > whereas in fact every significant GUI embeds text (possibly recursively) > > eg TI inside GUI -- think of text inside gimp > GUI inside TI -- think of Word embedding other doc types including pictures > Which can be recursive -- WOrd embeds a picture embeds

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 6:54:40 PM UTC+5:30, Gordon Levi wrote: > Rustom Mody wrote: > >Glade generates XML (last I saw) > >XML is text... kinda... but not quite > >eg XML is sometimes/somewhere space sensitive, sometimes not > >This can generate messy diffs > > That is also true of

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

Rustom Mody wrote: >On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 6:38:40 PM UTC+5:30, Gordon Levi wrote: >> Chris Angelico wrote: >> >> >On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 9:25 PM, Rustom Mody wrote: >> >> Code is always the last resort for arbitrary complexity >> >> Lets keep it the last

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 6:37:49 PM UTC+5:30, BartC wrote: > On 28/02/2016 12:54, Rustom Mody wrote: > > On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 6:08:44 PM UTC+5:30, BartC wrote: > > >> You have to give someone some shopping to do. What's quicker, jotting > >> down a list of milk, bread, eggs and

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On 28.02.2016 13:52, c...@isbd.net wrote: Dietmar Schwertberger wrote: There were and probably still are better word processors, especially for scientific use. E.g. Latex or reStructuredText, not GUI. I was more thinking of TechWriter on RISC OS. For Windows there

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 6:38:40 PM UTC+5:30, Gordon Levi wrote: > Chris Angelico wrote: > > >On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 9:25 PM, Rustom Mody wrote: > >> Code is always the last resort for arbitrary complexity > >> Lets keep it the last resort. > >> > >> If the bottom-line is that python's

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On 28/02/2016 12:54, Rustom Mody wrote: On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 6:08:44 PM UTC+5:30, BartC wrote: You have to give someone some shopping to do. What's quicker, jotting down a list of milk, bread, eggs and so on, or invoking some GUI program where you have to first look for each

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

Chris Angelico wrote: >On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 9:25 PM, Rustom Mody wrote: >> Code is always the last resort for arbitrary complexity >> Lets keep it the last resort. >> >> If the bottom-line is that python's GUI-builders are so deep into suxland >> that

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

Dietmar Schwertberger wrote: > On 28.02.2016 13:23, Sven R. Kunze wrote: > > I recently introduced LaTeX to my girlfriend. LaTeX is quite ugly and > > it has this "distinct compile/execute step", so initially I hesitated > > to show it to her. But her MS Word

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 6:08:44 PM UTC+5:30, BartC wrote: > On 28/02/2016 06:34, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > > GUI elements are by definition graphical in nature, and like other graphical > > elements, manipulation by hand is superior to command-based manipulation. > > Graphical interfaces

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Sun, 28 Feb 2016 07:44 pm, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Steven D'Aprano > wrote: [...] >> Drag-and-drop GUI builders have the same advantages over code as Python >> has over languages with distinct compile/execute steps: rapid >> development,

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On 28/02/2016 06:34, Steven D'Aprano wrote: GUI elements are by definition graphical in nature, and like other graphical elements, manipulation by hand is superior to command-based manipulation. Graphical interfaces for manipulating graphics have won the UI war so effectively that some people

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On 28.02.2016 13:23, Sven R. Kunze wrote: I recently introduced LaTeX to my girlfriend. LaTeX is quite ugly and it has this "distinct compile/execute step", so initially I hesitated to show it to her. But her MS Word experience got worse and worse the more complex (and especially larger) her

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On 28.02.2016 07:34, Steven D'Aprano wrote: I think that's out-and-out wrong, and harmful to the developer community. I think that we're stuck in the equivalent of the pre-WYSIWYG days of word processing: you can format documents as nicely as you like, but you have to use a separate mode to see

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On 2016-Feb-27 19:13, wrong.addres...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, 27 February 2016 18:08:36 UTC+2, Dietmar Schwertberger wrote: On 27.02.2016 12:18, wrong.addres...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't there any good GUI IDE like Visual Basic? I hope there are some less well known GUI IDEs which I did

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

Am 27.02.2016 um 19:13 schrieb wrong.addres...@gmail.com: On Saturday, 27 February 2016 18:08:36 UTC+2, Dietmar Schwertberger wrote: On 27.02.2016 12:18, wrong.addres...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't there any good GUI IDE like Visual Basic? I hope there are some less well known GUI IDEs which I

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 9:25 PM, Rustom Mody wrote: > Code is always the last resort for arbitrary complexity > Lets keep it the last resort. > > If the bottom-line is that python's GUI-builders are so deep into suxland > that they are best avoided in place of hand-written

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 2:15:10 PM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 11:07 pm, Chris Angelico wrote: > > > >>> Isn't there any good GUI IDE like Visual Basic? I hope there are some > >>> less well known GUI

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Rustom Mody wrote: > A sensible view > And more helpful than pretending that neanderthal == civilized > > Chris: Is it easier to work out the best-lookkng colors with a color picker or > with hacking through a million #rrggbb combos? Given

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 11:07 pm, Chris Angelico wrote: > >>> Isn't there any good GUI IDE like Visual Basic? I hope there are some >>> less well known GUI IDEs which I did not come across. Thanks. >> >> Sounds like the

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 12:04:52 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 11:07 pm, Chris Angelico wrote: > > >> Isn't there any good GUI IDE like Visual Basic? I hope there are some > >> less well known GUI IDEs which I did not come across. Thanks. > > > > Sounds like

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 11:07 pm, Chris Angelico wrote: >> Isn't there any good GUI IDE like Visual Basic? I hope there are some >> less well known GUI IDEs which I did not come across. Thanks. > > Sounds like the advantage lies with Python here... > > Don't make a UI by dragging and dropping that

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

wrong.addres...@gmail.com wrote: >On Saturday, 27 February 2016 18:08:36 UTC+2, Dietmar Schwertberger wrote: >> On 27.02.2016 12:18, wrong.addres...@gmail.com wrote: >> > Isn't there any good GUI IDE like Visual Basic? I hope there are some less >> > well known GUI IDEs which I did not come

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On 27.02.2016 19:51, Dietmar Schwertberger wrote: You will find many "Getting started with..." for both PyQt and wxPython. P.S.: I forgot to mention that both toolkits have very helpful mailing lists. The toolkits have different licenses. With wxPython you don't need to worry. For PyQt you

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On 2016-02-27 20:52, Mark Lawrence wrote: On 27/02/2016 17:57, Marco Kaulea wrote: Hi, Haven't tried it myself, but pyforms[1] might suit your needs. - Marco [1] http://pyforms.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ PyForms 0.1.3 last updated on pypi 2016-01-17 and it's 2.7 only, just awesome, not.

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On 27/02/2016 17:57, Marco Kaulea wrote: Hi, Haven't tried it myself, but pyforms[1] might suit your needs. - Marco [1] http://pyforms.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ PyForms 0.1.3 last updated on pypi 2016-01-17 and it's 2.7 only, just awesome, not. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

I would absolutely recommend you take a look at the Qt stuff. Very modern, easy to use, and free for non-commercial products. Anthony On February 27, 2016 5:18:57 AM CST, wrong.addres...@gmail.com wrote: >I have some VB forms with more than a hundred objects. If I cannot drag >and drop

Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE?

On 27.02.2016 19:13, wrong.addres...@gmail.com wrote: I am starting to wonder if VB.net would be a better solution for the time being. I have learnt enough VB.net to manage my work but it is bloated and Microsoft dependent. I would recommend the Python option... I will check it. I got the

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