On Fri, 4 Jan 2013, Roy Smith wrote:
In article ,
Cameron Simpson wrote:
On 01/04/13 01:34, Anssi Saari wrote:
| Just curious since I read the same thing in a programming book recently
| (21st century C). So what's the greatness that terminal multiplexors
| offer over tabbed terminals? Especi
In article ,
Cameron Simpson wrote:
> On 01/04/13 01:34, Anssi Saari wrote:
> | Just curious since I read the same thing in a programming book recently
> | (21st century C). So what's the greatness that terminal multiplexors
> | offer over tabbed terminals? Especially for software development?
On 01/04/13 01:34, Anssi Saari wrote:
| Just curious since I read the same thing in a programming book recently
| (21st century C). So what's the greatness that terminal multiplexors
| offer over tabbed terminals? Especially for software development?
Do you include tiling terminal emulators? I use
On 01/04/13 01:34, Anssi Saari wrote:
Ben Finney writes:
And any decent Unix-alike (most OSen apart from Windows) comes with its
own IDE: the shell, a good text editor (Vim or Emacs being the primary
candidates), and a terminal multiplexor (such as ‘tmux’ or GNU Screen).
Just curious since I
If you are going to review an IDE, or multiple, I would recommend Komodo and
Komodo Edit.
On Thursday, December 27, 2012 2:01:16 PM UTC-6, mogul wrote:
> 'Aloha!
>
>
>
> I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained on unix
> alike machines hacking happily in vi, and la
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Anssi Saari wrote:
> Ben Finney writes:
>
>> And any decent Unix-alike (most OSen apart from Windows) comes with its
>> own IDE: the shell, a good text editor (Vim or Emacs being the primary
>> candidates), and a terminal multiplexor (such as ‘tmux’ or GNU Screen).
Ben Finney writes:
> Hans Mulder writes:
>
>> Don't bother: Python comes with a free IDE named IDLE.
>
> And any decent Unix-alike (most OSen apart from Windows) comes with its
> own IDE: the shell, a good text editor (Vim or Emacs being the primary
> candidates), and a terminal multiplexor (suc
"Wayne Werner" wrote:
Yep. That's how I feel. I had used ViEmu in Visual Studio for coding in .NET at
work - but I found that the buffers & macros were more powerful. So now I do
most of my programming in Vim, and only head to VS if I need autocomplete or
some of it's auto-generation tools.
L
On 01/02/2013 10:17 PM, Wayne Werner wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jan 2013, Mitya Sirenef wrote:
On 01/01/2013 02:02 PM, Roy Smith wrote:
That's true with Vim, as well, especially when I'm making a custom
mapping and I can NEVER remember what some combination does, even though
if I actually needed to use i
On Tue, 1 Jan 2013, Ramchandra Apte wrote:
On Friday, 28 December 2012 01:31:16 UTC+5:30, mogul wrote:
'Aloha!
I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained on unix
alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
Now it's python, and currently mainly on
On Tue, 1 Jan 2013, Mitya Sirenef wrote:
On 01/01/2013 02:02 PM, Roy Smith wrote:
That's true with Vim, as well, especially when I'm making a custom
mapping and I can NEVER remember what some combination does, even though
if I actually needed to use it, it pops right out, so to find out, I
have
On Wed, 2 Jan 2013, Michael Torrie wrote:
On 01/01/2013 11:43 AM, Mitya Sirenef wrote:
Therefore, deleting 3 WORDs is 3daW (mnemonic: del a WORD 3 times).
Interesting. I typically use just d3w. 3daW seems to delete 3 lines
for me, the same result as d3. Another favorite command is d or
c fo
On 01/02/2013 04:33 PM, Michael Torrie wrote:
On 01/01/2013 11:43 AM, Mitya Sirenef wrote:
>> Therefore, deleting 3 WORDs is 3daW (mnemonic: del a WORD 3 times).
>
> Interesting. I typically use just d3w. 3daW seems to delete 3 lines
> for me, the same result as d3. Another favorite command is
On 01/01/2013 11:43 AM, Mitya Sirenef wrote:
> Therefore, deleting 3 WORDs is 3daW (mnemonic: del a WORD 3 times).
Interesting. I typically use just d3w. 3daW seems to delete 3 lines
for me, the same result as d3. Another favorite command is d or
c followed by a number and then the right arrow
That's really a question for you - do you want the features of an IDE?
Aptana includes pydev, and is built on eclipse which is a great
swiss-army-knife IDE. If you like KISS, vim is an excellent choice. Go with
whichever you are more comfortable using.
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Neil Cerutti
On 2012-12-29, Roy Smith wrote:
> emacs will parse that, highlight the filenames and line numbers
> and if I type M-`, it'll take me to the line of the next error
> (including opening the file if it's not already open).
>
> I assume other smart editors have similar capabilities.
> Different tools
On 2012-12-30, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
> Stick with what you've been using for the last couple of
> decades. These tools have stood the test of time for a good
> reason: they're powerful, efficient and made for the task of
> programming.
There is a good Python plugin for Vim that will allow si
On Friday, 28 December 2012 01:31:16 UTC+5:30, mogul wrote:
> 'Aloha!
>
>
>
> I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained on unix
> alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
>
>
>
> Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop.
>
>
FWIW on the Windows platform the Zeus IDE has support for Python:
http://www.zeusedit.com/python.html
Zeus does the standard Python syntax highlighting, code completion, smart
indenting, class browsing, code folding etc.
Zeus also has limited Python debugger support and is fully scriptable
On 01/01/2013 02:02 PM, Roy Smith wrote:
In article ,
> Mitya Sirenef wrote:
>
>> Clunky is the last word I'd use to describe it (ok maybe for Emacs :-)
>> I probably remember about 200 commands, plus or minus, but a lot of them
>> fit into a consistent scheme which makes them much easier to r
In article ,
Mitya Sirenef wrote:
> Clunky is the last word I'd use to describe it (ok maybe for Emacs :-)
> I probably remember about 200 commands, plus or minus, but a lot of them
> fit into a consistent scheme which makes them much easier to remember
At some point, it becomes muscle memory,
On 12/31/2012 10:46 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 14:00:23 -0500, Mitya Sirenef wrote:
>
>> I think the general idea is that with editors like Vim you don't get
>> distracted by having to do some kind of an editor task, letting you keep
>> your full attention on the code logic.
On 01/01/13 04:12, Cameron Simpson wrote:
I must admit I find Apple's "help" search box neat this way - you
can type a keyword is it will actually find the menu item for
you. Not that I use this for vi, of course...
If you've not used it, Vim's ":helpgrep" command provides full Vim
regexp powe
On 01Jan2013 03:46, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
| On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 14:00:23 -0500, Mitya Sirenef wrote:
| > [...] For instance, if I need to change
| > a block inside parens, I type ci) (stands for change inside parens),
| > while with a regular editor I'd have to do it manually and by the time
| >
On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 09:30:10 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> Absolutely! Though it's roughly as good to have the current cursor
>> position shown in a status line somewhere, and takes up less real
>> estate. But yes, vital to be able to se
On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 09:30:10 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
> Absolutely! Though it's roughly as good to have the current cursor
> position shown in a status line somewhere, and takes up less real
> estate. But yes, vital to be able to see that. Even when I'm sitting
> *right next to* my boss and co
On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 14:00:23 -0500, Mitya Sirenef wrote:
> I think the general idea is that with editors like Vim you don't get
> distracted by having to do some kind of an editor task, letting you keep
> your full attention on the code logic. For instance, if I need to change
> a block inside par
On Monday 2012 December 31 14:46, Ben Finney wrote:
> “I bought some powdered water, but I don't know what to add.”
Suggest to Stephen Wright to add hot coffee.
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On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Ben Finney wrote:
> Hans Mulder writes:
>
>> Don't bother: Python comes with a free IDE named IDLE.
>
> And any decent Unix-alike (most OSen apart from Windows) comes with its
> own IDE: the shell, a good text editor (Vim or Emacs being the primary
> candidates), a
Hans Mulder writes:
> Don't bother: Python comes with a free IDE named IDLE.
And any decent Unix-alike (most OSen apart from Windows) comes with its
own IDE: the shell, a good text editor (Vim or Emacs being the primary
candidates), and a terminal multiplexor (such as ‘tmux’ or GNU Screen).
Lea
On 31/12/12 12:57:59, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-12-27 at 12:01 -0800, mogul wrote:
>> 'Aloha!
>> I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained
>> on unix alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
>> Now it's python, and currently mainly on my
On Thu, 2012-12-27 at 12:01 -0800, mogul wrote:
> 'Aloha!
> I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained
> on unix alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
> Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop.
> Do I really need a real IDE, as the
* Yuvraj Sharma [2012-12-28 01:37:23 -0800]:
> Use IDLE
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>
The OP is already a proficient C, C++, perl, ... hacker using console based
tools and hardcore UNIX editors like vi(1) - I doubt he'll stay with IDLE for
very long - once you'
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Tim Johnson wrote:
> Along the way, I did use emacs as well and ended doing quite a bit
> of elisping.
elispsis. n. the intentional omission of unnecessary work which can be
inferred by the editor; often indicated with three consecutive
parentheses ((( )))
Chr
* Grant Edwards [121229 10:02]:
> On 2012-12-27, mogul wrote:
>
> > I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained
> > on unix alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
> >
> > Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop.
> >
> > Do I really
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Mitya Sirenef wrote:
> On 12/29/2012 05:30 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>>
>>> "In the big for loop, a couple of lines down, no, not there, the other
>>> >for loop, yeah, now go down a couple of lines, no that's too far, back
>>> >up one. Yeah there. On that line,
On 12/29/2012 05:30 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
"In the big for loop, a couple of lines down, no, not there, the other
>for loop, yeah, now go down a couple of lines, no that's too far, back
>up one. Yeah there. On that line, why do you ..."
>
>with:
>
>"On line 647, why do you ..."
Absolutely!
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Roy Smith wrote:
> In article ,
> Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> It's extremely handy; not only errors from
>> compilation/execution, but things like a 'git grep -n' fit too.
>
> Emacs has integrations with many version control systems. Over the
> years, I've gone b
On 12/29/2012 04:52 PM, Roy Smith wrote:
"In the big for loop, a couple of lines down, no, not there, the other
> for loop, yeah, now go down a couple of lines, no that's too far, back
> up one. Yeah there. On that line, why do you ..."
>
> with:
>
> "On line 647, why do you ..."
It's even be
In article ,
Chris Angelico wrote:
> Auto-complete is handy, but not critical.
You just wait until your finger joints get to be my age and tell me that
auto-complete isn't critical :-)
> It's extremely handy; not only errors from
> compilation/execution, but things like a 'git grep -n' fit to
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 6:52 AM, Roy Smith wrote:
> Chris Angelico wrote:
> [regarding
>> Bracket matching
>> Language-sensitive auto-indentation
>> and automatically indents
>
> Yeah, what he said, plus syntax coloring. And keyword highlighting.
> And autocompletion of variable names.
Syntax c
On 12/29/2012 11:52 AM, Roy Smith wrote:
Chris Angelico wrote:
[regarding
Bracket matching
Language-sensitive auto-indentation
and automatically indents
Yeah, what he said, plus syntax coloring. And keyword highlighting.
And autocompletion of variable names.
I'll probably get dog-piled by
Monte Milanuk wrote:
> > Maybe its because I'm still just a hobbyist when it comes to coding, but I
> > spend far more time 'thinking' about what I'm doing than typing things in...
If more "professional" programmers spent more time thinking and less
type typing, the world would be a better place
On 12/29/2012 12:44 PM, Monte Milanuk wrote:
Maybe its because I'm still just a hobbyist when it comes to coding, but I spend far more time
'thinking' about what I'm doing than typing things in... so shaving a
few seconds here and there are less important to me.
I think the general idea is t
On 2012-12-27, mogul wrote:
> I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained
> on unix alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
>
> Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop.
>
> Do I really need a real IDE, as the windows guys around me s
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 4:44 AM, Monte Milanuk wrote:
> Maybe its because I'm still just a hobbyist when it comes to coding, but I
> spend far more time 'thinking' about what I'm doing than typing things in...
> so shaving a few seconds here and there are less important to me.
The value of a good
On 12/27/2012 12:01 PM, mogul wrote:
I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained
on unix alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
Do I really need a real IDE, as the windows guys around me say I do,
or will vim, git, make and other standalone tools m
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Westley Martínez wrote:
> I only use vim for everything. IDEs just seem to get in my way.
I've just (like ten minutes ago) come across a perfect example of what
makes an IDE useful. My mother maintains a collection of documents
(book indexes, historical records,
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 12:01:16PM -0800, mogul wrote:
> 'Aloha!
>
> I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained on unix
> alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
>
> Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop.
>
> Do I really need a
too much ide for python
PyCharm
PyDev(Eclipse)
Pyscripter
Sublime Text
TextMate UliPad
Vim
for beginner best choiceidle
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Le jeudi 27 décembre 2012 21:01:16 UTC+1, mogul a écrit :
> 'Aloha!
>
holà !
>
> I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained on unix
> alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
>
About same than me, though I had not to use/work with perl for new proj
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 9:01 PM, mogul wrote:
> 'Aloha!
Hello!
> I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained on unix
> alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
You are already awesome,
> Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop.
and
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Andrew Berg wrote:
> On 2012.12.28 00:51, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
>> The benefit of the tmux client (terminal multiplexer) is that I can see
>> all the screens at the same time and quickly switch between them. I
>> believe Linux has screen(1) which does the same
On 2012.12.28 00:51, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
> The benefit of the tmux client (terminal multiplexer) is that I can see
> all the screens at the same time and quickly switch between them. I
> believe Linux has screen(1) which does the same thing.
tmux is generally easily available for Linux, and
Use IDLE
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* mogul [2012-12-27 12:01:16 -0800]:
> 'Aloha!
>
> I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained on unix
> alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
>
> Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop.
>
> Do I really need a real IDE, as the
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:01:16 -0800, mogul wrote:
> 'Aloha!
>
> I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained on
> unix alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
>
> Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop.
>
> Do I really need a real I
In article <50dcf145$0$24782$607ed...@cv.net>,
"TommyVee" wrote:
> Do I really need a real IDE, as the windows guys around me say I do, or will
> vim, git, make and other standalone tools make it the next 20 years too for
> me?
You'll do fine with vim (or emacs, or whatever). You may find an
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'Aloha!
I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained on unix
alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop.
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 7:01 AM, mogul wrote:
> Do I really need a real IDE, as the windows guys around me say I do, or will
> vim, git, make and other standalone tools make it the next 20 years too for
> me?
Welcome!
No, you don't *need* an IDE. Some people like them and are the more
producti
On 27Dec2012 12:01, mogul wrote:
| I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained
| on unix alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
|
| Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop.
|
| Do I really need a real IDE, as the windows guys aroun
> 'Aloha!
>
> I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained on unix
> alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
>
> Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop.
>
> Do I really need a real IDE, as the windows guys around me say I do, or will
>
On 12/27/2012 02:25 PM, Tim Chase wrote:
> Alas, one of the worst parts about programming in Python is that I
> now find it hard to go back to any of the other languages that I
> know. :-)
Amen. I find myself wishing for a python-like language for programming
Arduino boards.
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On 12/27/2012 01:01 PM, mogul wrote:
> Do I really need a real IDE, as the windows guys around me say I do,
> or will vim, git, make and other standalone tools make it the next 20
> years too for me?
I've never ever used an IDE with Python. With Python I can code for an
hour in vim and it runs wi
On 12/27/12 14:01, mogul wrote:
> Do I really need a real IDE, as the windows guys around me say I
> do, or will vim, git, make and other standalone tools make it the
> next 20 years too for me?
Coding Python (and before that C, Pascal, and even some VB in there)
using vi/vim has worked for about
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:01:16 -0800, mogul wrote:
> 'Aloha!
>
> I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained on
> unix alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
>
> Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop.
>
> Do I really need a real I
On 12/27/2012 3:01 PM, mogul wrote:
'Aloha!
I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained
on unix alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop.
Do I really need a real IDE, as the windows guys arou
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:01:16 -0800, mogul wrote:
> 'Aloha!
>
> I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained on
> unix alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
>
> Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop.
>
> Do I really need a real I
On 12/27/2012 05:01 PM, mogul wrote:
'Aloha!
I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained on unix
alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop.
Do I really need a real IDE, as the windows guys ar
> I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained on unix
> alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
>
> Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop.
Welcome to the club!
> Do I really need a real IDE, as the windows guys around me say I do,
Some would argue that vim is always good enough, especially with its plugin
system.
I bounce between vim and Sublime Text 2, and recently bought PyCharm went
it went on sale a week ago.
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'Aloha!
I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained on unix
alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim.
Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop.
Do I really need a real IDE, as the windows guys around me say I do, or will
vim, git, ma
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