On Jan 18, 6:07 am, Terry Reedy wrote:
> ...
> This is the 21-year-old behavior now changed.
> ...
Yes, you summarized the situation very well. The way of
working has changed and probably more deeply that one
may think.
It is now practically impossible to launch a Python
application via a .pyc
Carl Banks wrote:
> On Jan 17, 6:29 pm, Alice Bevan–McGregor wrote:
>> find . -name \*.pyc -exec rm -f {} \;
>>
>> vs.
>>
>> rm -rf __pycache__
>>
>> I do not see how this is more difficult, but I may be missing something.
>
>
> Well the former deletes all the pyc files in the directory tree
>
From: "Adam Skutt"
Subject: Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly!
On Jan 17, 3:08 pm, "Octavian Rasnita" wrote:
From: "Adam Skutt"
And we're not discussing those languages, we're discussing Python,
which has an explicit policy of "batteries included". As such,
criticism of the standa
From: "Alexander Kapps"
On 17.01.2011 21:04, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
I say probably not considering the availability of 3rd party
downloads. What say you, Python community?
Available as 3rd party downloads:
XML,HTML,...
HTTP,FTP,SMTP,POP,IMAP/...
MD5,SHA,...
zip,bzip,...
and so on and so on
From: "rusi"
Lehman Beladys entropy law
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehman%27s_laws_of_software_evolution
says
The quality of ... systems will decline unless they are rigorously
maintained and adapted to operational environment changes.
Yes. Pretty right. Tkinter -> WxPython change would
Terry Reedy, 18.01.2011 04:39:
Saving module code to the
filesystem speeds startup, which most find slow as it is.
I've been using Jython recently, which, in addition to the huge JVM startup
time, must also fire up the Jython runtime before actually doing anything
useful.
I must say that I
Peter Otten, 18.01.2011 10:04:
What's the advantage of 'find ... | xargs ...' over 'find ... -exec ...'?
The former runs in parallel, the latter runs sequentially.
Stefan
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jmfauth, 18.01.2011 09:58:
About the caches, I'am just fearing, they will
become finally garbage collectors of orphan .pyc files,
Python has seeded
I can't see how that is supposed to be any different than before. If you
rename a file without deleting the .pyc file, you will end up with an
o
On Jan 17, 10:20 pm, Jake Biesinger wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Using numpy, I can create large 2-dimensional arrays quite easily.
>
> >>> import numpy
> >>> mylist = numpy.zeros((1,2), dtype=numpy.int32)
>
> Unfortunately, my target audience may not have numpy so I'd prefer not to use
> it.
>
>
#This has to be very simple, but I don't get it-please help
def *lower_case*(s):
#return s
print(s)
#return s.lower()
print(s.lower())
s=*"Testing Functions-lower case: "
*
lower_case(s)
*"""how can i use a return statement to write a function that returns the
string "Testi
Hello,
Recently I tried to insert some unicode object in utf-8 encoding into
MySQL using MySQLdb, and got MySQL warnings on characters like:
𐎲𐎠𐎥𐎠 i found somewhere in my data. I can't even read them. MySQL
seems to cut the whole string after that characters off, so I get
incomplete data.
After a li
> """how can i use a return statement to write a function that returns the
> string "Testing Functions-lower case: "and the lowercase representation of
> its string parameter""" If I uncomment the above, nothing outputs to
> console:(
def lower_case(s):
return "Testing Functions-lower case: %
On 2011-01-18, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 19:41:54 +, Tim Harig wrote:
>
>> One of the arguments for Python has always made is that you can optimize
>> it by writing the most important parts in C. Perhaps that is a crutch
>> that has held the communty back from seeking highe
On Jan 18, 3:49 am, "Octavian Rasnita" wrote:
> From: "Adam Skutt"
> Subject: Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly!
>
> On Jan 17, 3:08 pm, "Octavian Rasnita" wrote:
> > "Batteries included"?
>
> > Python doesn't follow this policy at all. We can say that maybe PHP
> > follows it, but no
On 2011-01-18, Stefan Behnel wrote:
> Tim Harig, 17.01.2011 20:41:
>> One of the arguments for Python has always made is that you can optimize
>> it by writing the most important parts in C. Perhaps that is a crutch
>> that has held the communty back from seeking higher performance solutions
>> i
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:20:48 -0800 (PST)
Raymond Hettinger wrote:
> On Jan 17, 6:51 pm, nn wrote:
> > ...But the api on this baffles me a bit:
> >
> > >>> d = OrderedDict.fromkeys('abcde')
> > >>> d.move_to_end('b', last=False)
> > >>> ''.join(d.keys)
> >
> > 'bacde'
> >
> > I understand that "en
Terry Reedy schrieb:
On 1/16/2011 11:20 PM, rantingrick wrote:
Ok, try this...
http://juicereceiver.sourceforge.net/screenshots/index.php
http://www.sensi.org/~ak/pyslsk/pyslsk6.png
http://www.wxwidgets.org/about/screensh.htm
Ok, wxwidgets can look at least as good as tk. Agr
From: "Arndt Roger Schneider"
Overall impression:
The software was designed for windows; more or less
following the windows hci-guidelines,
The windows version is resonable good.
This is the most important thing, because most users use Windows. Those who
have other preferences are not force
Carl Banks wrote:
On Jan 17, 10:17 am, jmfauth wrote:
>> ...
If I get (stupidly, I agree) a .pyc file and want to test
it. Should I create manually a cache alongside my test.py
script?
Nope: according to PEP 3147 a standalone *.pyc should not be put in
same directory where the source file wo
Tim Harig wrote:
> You still don't see many
> companies doing large scale internal development using Python and you
> definately don't see any doing external developement using a language
> that gives the customers full access to the source code.
What you refered as "full access to the source cod
On 2011-01-18, Rui Maciel wrote:
> Tim Harig wrote:
>
>> You still don't see many
>> companies doing large scale internal development using Python and you
>> definately don't see any doing external developement using a language
>> that gives the customers full access to the source code.
>
> What y
Peter Otten <[email protected]> writes:
> Carl Banks wrote:
>
>> Well the former deletes all the pyc files in the directory tree
>> whereas the latter only deletes the top level __pycache__, not the
>> __pycache__ for subpackages. To delete all the __pycache__s you'd
>> have to do something like t
Octavian Rasnita schrieb:
From: "Arndt Roger Schneider"
At least keep the disclaimer:
>> Well, tosssing screenshots around doesn't prove wether
>> a framwork/toolkit is good or not;
>> It only displays the developers commitment to create
>> a work of art.
Overall impression:
The software w
On 1/17/11 7:32 PM, Jake Biesinger wrote:
On Monday, January 17, 2011 4:12:51 PM UTC-8, OAN wrote:
Hi,
what about pytables? It's built for big data collections and it doesn't
clog up the memory.
I thought PyTables depends on NumPy?
It does.
--
Robert Kern
"I have come to believe that the
On Jan 18, 6:46 am, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> Design considerations? Where were they discussed?
They were never discussed with the bulk of this community and that is
part of what i want to change. We have a very small group of folks
making all the decisions and that is fine. However this small gr
Stefan Behnel wrote:
> Peter Otten, 18.01.2011 10:04:
>> What's the advantage of 'find ... | xargs ...' over 'find ... -exec ...'?
>
> The former runs in parallel, the latter runs sequentially.
This may sometimes be relevant, but I doubt that it matters in this
particular case.
Peter
--
http:
Sherm Pendley wrote:
> Peter Otten <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> Carl Banks wrote:
>>
>>> Well the former deletes all the pyc files in the directory tree
>>> whereas the latter only deletes the top level __pycache__, not the
>>> __pycache__ for subpackages. To delete all the __pycache__s you'd
On 18/01/2011 16:27, rantingrick wrote:
On Jan 18, 6:46 am, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
Design considerations? Where were they discussed?
They were never discussed with the bulk of this community and that is
part of what i want to change. We have a very small group of folks
making all the decisio
On Jan 18, 7:09 am, Arndt Roger Schneider
wrote:
> Summary wxWidgets:
> wxWidgets is large scale C++ library from the 20th century,
> solemnly dedicated toward desktop computers.
> wxWidgets originates from a time before templates
> were used in C++ and thus duplicates many of
> today's C++ featu
On Jan 18, 10:54 am, MRAB wrote:
> Decisions are made after open discussion (although we're not sure about
> "move to end" :-)). You shouldn't complain about not being consulted if
> you don't take the time to join in...
Well don't get wrong i want to join in --not that i have all the
solutions-
2011/1/18 Grzegorz Śliwiński :
> Hello,
> Recently I tried to insert some unicode object in utf-8 encoding into
> MySQL using MySQLdb, and got MySQL warnings on characters like:
> 𐎲𐎠𐎥𐎠 i found somewhere in my data. I can't even read them. MySQL
> seems to cut the whole string after that characters
On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 09:10:48 -0800 (PST)
rantingrick wrote:
>
> Well don't get wrong i want to join in --not that i have all the
> solutions--
Take a look at http://docs.python.org/devguide/#contributing
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On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Tim Harig wrote:
>> Go is not an ideal language for high-performance code. Despite the
>> occasional claims of others, Go is consistently outperformed by C,
>> C++, and Java on a wide variety of benchmarks. Some claim that Ada and
>> Haskell do as well, and my ben
I'm not sure I understand the question completely but maybe the function
below does what you want.
def lower_case(s):
return Testing Functions-lower case: + s.lower()
print lower_case(AbCdEfG)
From: python-list-bounces+joe=goldthwaites@p
On Jan 17, 2:19 pm, carlo wrote:
> Hi,
> recently I had to study *seriously* Unicode and encodings for one
> project in Python but I left with a couple of doubts arised after
> reading the unicode chapter of Dive into Python 3 book by Mark
> Pilgrim.
>
> 1- Mark says:
> "Also (and you’ll have to t
On 1/18/2011 10:30 AM, Tim Harig wrote:
Whether or not you actually agree with that economic reality is
irrelevant. Those who fund commerical projects do; and, any developement
tool which violates the security of the source is going to find itself
climbing an uphill battle in trying to gain mar
rantingrick schrieb:
On Jan 18, 7:09 am, Arndt Roger Schneider
wrote:
Summary wxWidgets:
wxWidgets is large scale C++ library from the 20th century,
solemnly dedicated toward desktop computers.
wxWidgets originates from a time before templates
were used in C++ and thus duplicates many of
toda
On Jan 18, 8:09 am, Arndt Roger Schneider
wrote:
> Back to rantingrick 21st century toolkit/framwork:
> Let's have a look at the numbers:
> Worlwide pc market are 300 Million pcs per year,
> this number includes desktops(2/3) and servers(1/3).
> Your gui app is not relevant on servers.
You should
On 18.01.2011 09:58, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> From: "Alexander Kapps"
>> On 17.01.2011 21:04, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
>>> I say probably not considering the availability of 3rd party
>>> downloads. What say you, Python community?
>>
>> Available as 3rd party downloads:
>>
>> XML,HTML,...
>> HTTP
On Jan 18, 11:56 am, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 09:10:48 -0800 (PST)
>
> rantingrick wrote:
>
> > Well don't get wrong i want to join in --not that i have all the
> > solutions--
>
> Take a look athttp://docs.python.org/devguide/#contributing
Thanks for this link Antoine howeve
On Jan 18, 12:20 am, Raymond Hettinger wrote:
> On Jan 17, 6:51 pm, nn wrote:
>
> > ...But the api on this baffles me a bit:
>
> > >>> d = OrderedDict.fromkeys('abcde')
> > >>> d.move_to_end('b', last=False)
> > >>> ''.join(d.keys)
>
> > 'bacde'
>
> > I understand that "end" could potentially mea
On 1/18/2011 9:10 AM rantingrick said...
On Jan 18, 10:54 am, MRAB wrote:
Decisions are made after open discussion (although we're not sure about
"move to end" :-)). You shouldn't complain about not being consulted if
you don't take the time to join in...
Well don't get wrong i want to join
On Jan 18, 12:25 pm, Arndt Roger Schneider
wrote:
> rantingrick schrieb:
> > On Jan 18, 7:09 am, Arndt Roger Schneider
> > We DO need to consider the mobile market in this decision. Maybe it is
> > time for us to actually get on the cutting edge of GUI's. Maybe we
> > should head an effort to cr
On 2011-01-18, geremy condra wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Tim Harig wrote:
>> I really question that you get Java anywhere even close to C performance.
>> Google reports they get within the same order of magnitude as C for
>> their long-lived server processes where the JIT has had ti
On Jan 18, 12:29 pm, Adam Skutt wrote:
> Until we have pixel-perfect touch sensors, toolkits for devices with
> pointer interfaces (e.g., PCs) and toolkits for devices with touch
> interfaces (e.g., phones and tablets) will necessarily be different.
>
> You note this yourself: the UI paradigms th
>
> > If you think the site is bad, send me a ONE better screenshot, or link
> > thereto, of wx on WinXP/Vista/7. I promise to look at it. Then urge
> > Robin to update the page.
>
No wxWidgets, but real Python / wxPython applications, all updated on
Windows 7.
http://spinecho.ze.cx/
--
http://m
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:33, rantingrick wrote:
>
> On Jan 18, 11:56 am, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> > On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 09:10:48 -0800 (PST)
> >
> > rantingrick wrote:
> >
> > > Well don't get wrong i want to join in --not that i have all the
> > > solutions--
> >
> > Take a look athttp://docs
On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:33:45 -0800 (PST)
rantingrick wrote:
>
> On Jan 18, 11:56 am, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> > On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 09:10:48 -0800 (PST)
> >
> > rantingrick wrote:
> >
> > > Well don't get wrong i want to join in --not that i have all the
> > > solutions--
> >
> > Take a look ath
If you guys spent 1/10th as much time articulating the problems you see
with Tkinter (and being willing to listen when people offer solutions)
as you do trying to convince everyone else you're right, you'd probably
have ... well, anyway, no sense in being practical.
--
http://mail.python.org/ma
On Jan 18, 12:55 pm, Emile van Sebille wrote:
> On 1/18/2011 9:10 AM rantingrick said...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 18, 10:54 am, MRAB wrote:
>
> >> Decisions are made after open discussion (although we're not sure about
> >> "move to end" :-)). You shouldn't complain about not being consulted
On Jan 18, 1:17 pm, Mark Roseman wrote:
> If you guys spent 1/10th as much time articulating the problems you see
> with Tkinter (and being willing to listen when people offer solutions)
> as you do trying to convince everyone else you're right, you'd probably
> have ... well, anyway, no sense in
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Tim Harig wrote:
> Even assuming that PyPy does actually manage to reach within a magnitude
> of C with the extra effort required to leverage two languages, why
> would I bother when I can do it with one? PyPy and similar methods
> where great when there was no o
On 2011-01-18, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 1/18/2011 10:30 AM, Tim Harig wrote:
>
>> Whether or not you actually agree with that economic reality is
>> irrelevant. Those who fund commerical projects do; and, any developement
>> tool which violates the security of the source is going to find itself
>>
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 13:22, rantingrick wrote:
>
> Thanks for offering a suggestion it was very welcome however i need to
> emphasize that what i am proposing is sort of "community discussion
> suggestion box". Like a "Python Suggestions" group or something. Where
> any and all suggestions, ra
rantingrick schrieb:
On Jan 18, 12:25 pm, Arndt Roger Schneider
wrote:
rantingrick schrieb:
On Jan 18, 7:09 am, Arndt Roger Schneider
We DO need to consider the mobile market in this decision. Maybe it is
time for us to actually get on the cutting edge of GUI's. Maybe we
should head an
From: "Alexander Kapps"
> Tkinter causes damage? Very bad damage? What are you talking about?
I am talking about the fact that Python promotes Tkinter, and many beginners
will start using it, and they will start creating applications with it, and
they will learn to use it better than WxPython,
From: "Mark Roseman"
> If you guys spent 1/10th as much time articulating the problems you see
> with Tkinter (and being willing to listen when people offer solutions)
> as you do trying to convince everyone else you're right, you'd probably
> have ... well, anyway, no sense in being practical.
On Jan 18, 2:11 pm, rantingrick wrote:
> Adam now you are making sense. Everything you said here is true.
> This
> is why we must push for the OpenGUI standard.
Funny, I write considerable detail about why such a thing is a
pipedream and useless even if it came to fruition, and you somehow
belie
On 2011-01-18, geremy condra wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Tim Harig wrote:
>> Even assuming that PyPy does actually manage to reach within a magnitude
>> of C with the extra effort required to leverage two languages, why
>> would I bother when I can do it with one? PyPy and similar
On Jan 18, 3:20 pm, Arndt Roger Schneider
wrote:
> There has been no advancement in GUI-Design. Today it looks and
> behaves just the way Bill Atkinson designed it.
That doesn't even begin to equate to a lack of advancement. It's also
not true in the least.
> Technical revolutions are made by d
On 18/01/2011 19:22, rantingrick wrote:
On Jan 18, 12:55 pm, Emile van Sebille wrote:
On 1/18/2011 9:10 AM rantingrick said...
On Jan 18, 10:54 am, MRABwrote:
Decisions are made after open discussion (although we're not sure about
"move to end" :-)). You shouldn't complain about not be
On 1/18/2011 11:27 AM, rantingrick wrote:
On Jan 18, 6:46 am, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
Design considerations? Where were they discussed?
I far as I know, nowhere until that post in this thread.
They were never discussed with the bulk of this community and that is
part of what i want to change
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Peter Otten <[email protected]> wrote:
> Stefan Behnel wrote:
>
>> Peter Otten, 18.01.2011 10:04:
>>> What's the advantage of 'find ... | xargs ...' over 'find ... -exec ...'?
>>
>> The former runs in parallel, the latter runs sequentially.
>
> This may sometimes be
On 18.01.2011 21:23, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
From: "Alexander Kapps"
Tkinter causes damage? Very bad damage? What are you talking about?
I am talking about the fact that Python promotes Tkinter, and many beginners
will start using it, and they will start creating applications with it, and
th
Adam Skutt schrieb:
On Jan 18, 8:09 am, Arndt Roger Schneider
wrote:
Back to rantingrick 21st century toolkit/framwork:
Let's have a look at the numbers:
Worlwide pc market are 300 Million pcs per year,
this number includes desktops(2/3) and servers(1/3).
Your gui app is not relevant on server
On 1/18/2011 3:23 PM, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
I am talking about the fact that Python promotes Tkinter
Python uses tkinter as the only choice available for the stdlib.
Others choices not in the stdlib are available for those who want
something better.
TK are not accessible for screen reade
Cobra seems to similar to python. Or it at least compares itself to python.
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Anyone have thoughts on Cobra?
On Jan 18, 2011 4:20 PM, "Zach" wrote:
> Cobra seems to similar to python. Or it at least compares itself to
python.
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On 1/18/2011 2:12 PM, jmfauth wrote:
If you think the site is bad, send me a ONE better screenshot, or link
thereto, of wx on WinXP/Vista/7. I promise to look at it. Then urge
Robin to update the page.
No wxWidgets, but real Python / wxPython applications, all updated on
Windows 7.
http://
On 1/18/2011 3:29 PM, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
Is there any other solution for the problem that Python promotes this
bad GUI than removing it from the default package?
I am generally for better accessibility, but I consider the notion that
if everyone cannot have something, then no one should,
> Since you can't depend on your users installing the dependencies, is
> it vital that your users run from source? You could bundle up your
> application along with numpy and other dependencies using py2Exe or
> similar. This also means you wouldn't have to require users to have
> the right (or any
> Without using third party libraries, no not really. numpy has it
> covered so there's not really a lot of demand for it. If your users
> are loading 1.5 GB arrays into memory, it's probably not unreasonable
> to expect them to have numpy installed.
My users are biologists, and I can't expect t
On 2011-01-18, MRAB wrote:
> On 18/01/2011 19:22, rantingrick wrote:
>> Thanks for offering a suggestion it was very welcome however i need to
>> emphasize that what i am proposing is sort of "community discussion
>> suggestion box". Like a "Python Suggestions" group or something. Where
>> any an
On Jan 18, 4:45 pm, Arndt Roger Schneider
wrote:
> Adam Skutt schrieb:
> > Until we have pixel-perfect touch sensors, toolkits for devices with
> > pointer interfaces (e.g., PCs) and toolkits for devices with touch
> > interfaces (e.g., phones and tablets) will necessarily be different.
>
> > You
On Jan 18, 3:05 pm, MRAB wrote:
> The Python community are volunteers. Nothing gets done until someone
> volunteers to do it. The "suggestion box" is your idea. Why don't you
> set it up and report back?
Agreed, i would gladly accept you nominating me as the Suggestion Box
president. However we
On Jan 18, 3:07 pm, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 1/18/2011 11:27 AM, rantingrick wrote:
> When proposed features are listed on the tracker, as I think this one
> should have been, anyone who registers can comment. Real names are
> strongly preferred (and required for elevated tracker and repository
>
I am new to python, and attempting to install the learning module
swampy. http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/swampy/install.html
Unfortunately, I am attempting to do this on windows vista, which does
not appear to be cooperating. Once I click on the install link, it
puts the file on the compu
On Jan 18, 4:57 pm, Adam Skutt wrote:
> On Jan 18, 4:45 pm, Arndt Roger Schneider
> > E.g. a button is:
> > A function gets asychnronously performed in response to
> > a finger/mouse click and release inside a certain screen area.
>
> No, that is not the definition of a 'button', not even when w
On 1/18/2011 6:22 PM, rantingrick wrote:
This was a strong statement and it was meant to be strong.
However, it was falso.
We cannot even discuss the tracker until we fix this abomination
called c.l.py.
I have nothing directly to do with c.l.p and care nothing for it. I read
the gmane.com
Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2011-01-18, MRAB wrote:
On 18/01/2011 19:22, rantingrick wrote:
...
The Python community are volunteers. Nothing gets done until someone
volunteers to do it. The "suggestion box" is your idea. Why don't you
set it up and report back?
He goes by the name of "ranting
In article , kj
wrote:
>
>standard OOP semantics
"...some experts might say a C++ program is not object-oriented without
inheritance and virtual functions. As one of the early Smalltalk
implementors myself, I can say they are full of themselves." --zconcept
--
Aahz ([email protected])
And were the hell is Steve Holden? Why has he not weighed in on these
(or any) discussions. He (Steve Holden) is second in command to the
entire community. Yet we have yet to hear a peep from this fella. What
gives Steve?
And if Steve is too busy, who is next in the chain of command? Who is
going
On Jan 18, 5:44 pm, Terry Reedy wrote:
> I have nothing directly to do with c.l.p and care nothing for it. I read
> the gmane.comp.python.general mirror of python-list, which filters out
> some of the worse of the input from c.l.p. I mostly focus on getting
> real work done on the tracker and rep
Michael Rauh writes:
> I am new to python, and attempting to install the learning module
> swampy. http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/swampy/install.html
> Unfortunately, I am attempting to do this on windows vista, which does
> not appear to be cooperating.
I'm not familiar with the speci
On Jan 18, 6:36 pm, rantingrick wrote:
On Jan 18, 4:57 pm, Adam Skutt wrote:
> On Jan 18, 4:45 pm, Arndt Roger Schneider
> > > E.g. a button is:
> > > A function gets asychnronously performed in response to
> > > a finger/mouse click and release inside a certain screen area.
> > No, that is not
On Jan 18, 6:23 pm, Adam Skutt wrote:
> I'm not the one suggesting that the only difference between a
> hyperlink and a button is how they are rendered, FFS man, have you
> ever even used a modern GUI?
Yes i have logged many hours building GUI's... and from the comments
you've made so far... obv
On 01/18/2011 07:53 PM, rantingrick wrote:
> On Jan 18, 6:23 pm, Adam Skutt wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> Adam, it is now evident that your view of the world is, at best, a
> superficial one. You are shallow and incapable of any coherent
> abstract reasoning abilities. I genuinely hope this is due to so
On Jan 18, 2:37 pm, Adam Skutt wrote:
> On Jan 18, 2:11 pm, rantingrick wrote:
> > The entropy in GUIs has
> > exploded exponentially and rendered them all useless.
>
> Only if you have no clue what you're talking about whatsoever. You
> perceive them as useless because you're apparently incapa
- Original Message -
From: "Corey Richardson"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly!
On 01/18/2011 07:53 PM, rantingrick wrote:
On Jan 18, 6:23 pm, Adam Skutt wrote:
[snip]
Adam, it is now evident that your view of the
On Jan 18, 7:19 pm, Corey Richardson wrote:
> I for one am quite pleased with Tkinter up to this point. It allowed me
> to come in with extremely minimal GUI experience, and make something
> that worked with minimal effort. It was simple to understand, no
> concepts of slots and signals to learn.
You make it very hard for me to take what you say seriously. I lurk on this
list and I have created a filter where emails from you go in to Spam.
Good luck.
Nick
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 5:23 PM, rantingrick wrote:
> On Jan 18, 2:37 pm, Adam Skutt wrote:
> > On Jan 18, 2:11 pm, rantingrick wr
On Jan 18, 7:39 pm, "Patty" wrote:
> I agree with Corey - I also had very little experience with creating a GUI
> and using Tkinter combined with PIL plus a little help from various docs
> and getting a couple questions answered, I was pleased to find that it
> required very few actual lines of co
On 01/18/2011 08:41 PM, rantingrick wrote:
> On Jan 18, 7:19 pm, Corey Richardson wrote:
>
>> I for one am quite pleased with Tkinter up to this point. It allowed me
>> to come in with extremely minimal GUI experience, and make something
>> that worked with minimal effort. It was simple to unders
On Jan 18, 7:59 pm, Corey Richardson wrote:
> On 01/18/2011 08:41 PM, rantingrick wrote:
> >From that, it appears we need to:
>
> 1. Replace Tkinter with something more modern and feature-complete, but
> just as easy to use.
> 2. Add a web framework/web-GUI
That would be a HUGE step in the corre
On 01/18/2011 09:16 PM, rantingrick wrote:
> On Jan 18, 7:59 pm, Corey Richardson wrote:
>> On 01/18/2011 08:41 PM, rantingrick wrote:
>
>> >From that, it appears we need to:
>>
>> 1. Replace Tkinter with something more modern and feature-complete, but
>> just as easy to use.
>> 2. Add a web fram
On Jan 18, 8:59 pm, Corey Richardson wrote:
>
> > I completely agree! And we should expect it to be even better!
>
> What out there is there that meets those requirements?
Nothing, and I somewhat doubt there ever will be. Tk is somewhat of
an anomaly at this point. Most of the trend in GUI tool
On Jan 18, 8:27 pm, Corey Richardson wrote:
> You mentioned having a segment of wxPython in the stdlib earlier. If
> this actually feasible from a legal standpoint, and would the
> maintainers of wxPython be willing to put it in the stdlib? Not to
> mention the wonderful people over at python-dev
On Jan 18, 8:43 pm, Adam Skutt wrote:
> That was and rantingrick's goal from the get go and still is his goal.
> Otherwise, he wouldn't have changed his position three times now and
> be overdue for a fourth. Otherwise, he would have answered my / your
> question about why bother putting a minim
On 01/18/2011 09:46 PM, rantingrick wrote:
> On Jan 18, 8:27 pm, Corey Richardson wrote:
>
>> You mentioned having a segment of wxPython in the stdlib earlier. If
>> this actually feasible from a legal standpoint, and would the
>> maintainers of wxPython be willing to put it in the stdlib? Not to
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