ssion of optimizing
numerical code in various places there.
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4, also using gcc 4.*, but
SWIG compiles fine there. After all, SWIG has nothing to do with Fortran.
Lou,
Have you tried the SWIG lists?
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you to run as an admin user (we have some of
this in-house!) and hardly anyone doesn't run as an admin user, and surprise
surprise! viruses galore!
Wow! I got carried away with that!
> At least I got this far.
I'll be interested in what you come up with, I think our needs are similar
for a large-scale example!
> on
> swig home page, there is an example, it might work on linux/unix. But it
> does not work well on Mac as I tried it.
post that example, if we are to help you, that's exactly what we need, a
simple example. And post exactly what you did to compi
than developing?
Absolutely necessary for developing extensions. And not hard for simple
set-ups.
Bob Ippolito wrote:
> However, setuptools is also useful for pure Python development,
Bob, what do you see as the future of setuptools? Will in be in the standard
lib in future versions?
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Python versions. You can use
packages for OS-X 10.3 on Tiger.
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ts main page needs to be updated.
Once we've got that, we can try to get as many of the other pages to
point to it as possible: maybe this would be a good use for a "google bomb".
I am neither the web master of any of those sites, nor a guru of
M
t's fine as it is, if pythonmac.org had a better page
If you'd like to see it improved, there seems to be some interest in
this group in doing the work.
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Brian Ray wrote:
> -- a Python Binding for Quartz <http://tinyurl.com/9gfj8>.
Now that may work for the OP's original goal: getting up a splash screen
before initializing wx.
I'd be interested to hear it it does.
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to use? etc.
And, of course, we need a pointer to a FAQ in the Wiki.
I'd also suggest that we break the pythonmac.org/packages pages down
into separate pages, one for each python version. I think that will make
it much clearer to folks coming to it which set of packages they should
l
e pythonmac site at some point.
It's also time for an update to Numeric, but the one there works fine.
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most Tiger users are running Python 2.4
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however.
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#!/usr/bin/env pythonw
of a python package once you have it all compiled. If all of us that got
packages working on our machines contributed them, the pythonmac site
would get much more comprehensive.
As for me, I'm still running 10.3, and I try to contribute packages for
Python2.3 and python2.4
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g a little money, WingIDE and Komodo are
reported to work well. WingIDE has a non-commercial version that's
pretty cheap.
Or you can use the command line and an editor--that's served me well for
years. Just make sure you get a good, python-aware editor, I'll leave
that up to you t
.0)
might work with your system, but you're probably better off installing
python 2.4 from:
http://undefined.org/python/
and using these:
Mac OS X 10.3+ (Python 2.4.1 framework build)
They'll work on 10.4
We really need to update the pythonmac.org web site! (and Jack's Page)
problem.
You can start it with:
$ python -i MyScript.py
and you'll get the interpreter prompt when it's done running.
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ni a Mac, and I know he's been submitting bug reports
for various wxPython stuff on the Mac, so I imagine it's much better. I
need to go give it a try some day.
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ons, etc.
This sounds like a good idea to me, because I have a growing collection
of small wxPython programs. Each one is pretty small, maybe a few
hundred lines of code, but making a full Py2App bundle of each one
results in a pretty darn set of bundles!
Does a
y part is external libs. For instance, for matplotlib, I need to
make sure it statically linked libpng and libfreetype, so that the
package would run on a stock OS-X.
It would be great if you contributed some upgraded packages to pythonmac.
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learn is how to put a bunch of *.mpkgs
together into one meta-mpkg, so that I can install a bunch of stuff with
one click.
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your user as a
> maintainer role, which should allow you to upload eggs.
yes, that does look pretty cool.
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Bob Ippolito wrote:
> Not yet.
Not yet at all? or not yet with bdist_mpkg ?
> We could mine Cheese Shop and list the pure python packages, the
> packages that have Mac OS X eggs, and the mpkgs.
And put the results on the pythonmac site? I like that.
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That was my question. I know nothing about pkg bundles.
Thanks for all your work on this.
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achine around anyway for testing, so I might as
> well build the application on that. Sigh.
I think he said that you could build your app on 10.4, as long as all
the python modules you use (and python itself) were built on 10.3. As
long as you have a 10.3 machine around, you should be all set.
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most compelling reason
is the ability to install different versions. If Bob gets a chance to
add egg support to bdist_mpkg, I think all we need to do is use that and
put the resulting mpkgs on pythonmac.
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nkly, that doesn't do any more for me than Google, at least for
packages I already know the name of.
What that tells me is that there is a need for an OS-X package (or egg)
repository on pythonmac.
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Another issue I wonder about is all the possible combinations of OS-X
and Python versions that we're dealing with. Do they all need a separate
egg?
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l matplotlib' and
see what happens.
This is all a bit of a mess now, but it looks very promising, and I
think Bob has convinced me: For any package I need, I'll try to build an
egg, and try to get it uploaded to cheeseshop.
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Christopher Barker wrote:
> I guess I'll just try: 'easy_install matplotlib' and
> see what happens.
Well, first I had to get setuptools installed. cheeseshop has an egg,
but how do I install that? So I downloaded the zip file, and in there
found that I needed to do:
didn't see any mention of the script_dir value in the
Easy_Install doc.
None of those options are particularly newbie-friendly.
* Change the default script_dir in the "official unofficial" Framework
builds to /usr/local/bin
That's more newbie-friendly, but I'm sure has
How could we accomplish that? Or should we
just tell people to add the Framework bin directory to their PATH.
Mostly I feel strongly that, as a community, we need to establish
standard ways of doing Python on OS-X, and publish them somewhere. I'm
not picky about what those standards are, as
t means
is that the real goal is to make sure that the patches required to build
for OS-X get applied by the package maintainers.
Then things will "just work"
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tick with the older python build and use Robin's binaries?
thanks,
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ly backwards...
How is that? Robin provided binaries built for both 2.3 and 2.4 for OS-X
10.3, but not for 10.4, so I think that means I need to use the python
built for 10.3.
In addition, there is a thread in this group right now about trouble
building wxPython on 10.4
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he OP didn't do a Framework build.
What all this means is that you shouldn't build from source unless you
know what you are doing, and have a good reason to.
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t ready yet.
I was thinking of a decision tree, based on what version of OS-X you're
running, and what you want to do (web development, GUI programming,
etc), but I think we can, in fact have a single setup that will be best
for most people running 10.3 and greater, so we can keep it simple
tion
of stuff one the universal build comes out. Maybe none of them will be
tested on Intel, but so be it!
Bob, what do you think the timescale is for a universal build? If it's
soon, then we should work on re-0writing the web site as though it's
ready to go.
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lt until someone who is capable of
building it wants it enough to put the time it. I suspect that that will
only happen if someone decides to try to make money from it.
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her
million to start marketing it. Anyone want to fund my new company?
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stalled Python, chances are it
would keep working.
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>
> and you will see "Hello, World!" written back to you.
>
> 4) To do this in a window, enter the following lines at the ">>>"
> prompt:
>
>>>> import wx app = wx.PySimpleApp() frame = wx.Fra
uggested earlier.
> Instant gratification has been found, in some instances ;-), to have a
> positive impact on peoples' first impression of your product or service.
> ;-)
I do think that's a good idea too, but don't let them get too far before
thon will
most likely work, but that's it.
If you think Apple will keep 2.3.* around, in addition to a newer 2.4.*,
then tell us why. They didn't keep 2.2* around when 10.3 came out.
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learn a bit about using the terminal and an editor.
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ne on OS-X as it does on any other *nix.
The MacPython page should focus on what is different or special about
using python on OS-X
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kind of like having apps linked against certain versions of shared
libs, except that I think Apple makes a point of keeping old versions of
their system libs around when the put out new ones.
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define the Framework installer for 2.4 as the "standard" and most
supported python for OS-X. (the existing build for 10.3 and the
universal build for 10.4)
-- also provide at least a quick tutorial for newbies, based on the
built-in Python, and put a link to it near
"Easy start for Newbies" page, we
don't have to know what to write in it before writing the rest. Let's
not get too ambitious right now. If we can just clean up and make clear
that main page on PythonMac.org and we'll have made some good progress.
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should do that, and if they did, I'm not sure how
long they should keep it up -- you could get a lot of python versions
lying around after a while!
By the way, Kevin, do you have any idea how hard it's going to be to
build wxPython far and with the universal python Bob
Ronald Oussoren wrote:
> That's not really a problem, I need some kind of test to determine if we
> can get away with loading C++ code compiled with g++-3.3 into a python
> build with gcc 4. Boost might also be an option for testing.
matplotlib has a lot of C++ in it.
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> matplotlib has a lot of C++ in it.
and there are binaries built for 2.4 on 10.3 on pythonmac.org, if that
helps.
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aren't currently answered, feel
> free to contribute.
Exactly. the page we are working on should be just the main page. All
the various suggestions for other sections are good, but should be Wiki
pages, maintenance is much easier that way.
> check if /opt/local/bin is in the pa
the best people to write newbie docs, when you still
remember what questions you have.
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same time, without speaking down to any of them.
I think the solution is to start out with a decision tree right at the
start:
If you are an experienced programmer who understand the Mac:
If you are Python programmers coming from Windows or Linux:
etc
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d how to
install a new version.
The goal is to show just enough to get newbies interested, then set them
up with a system that will carry them well into their python career.
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. It's not like anyone but Linux users expects everything to be
pre-installed on their machine! You have to download something to try
out RealBasic, or whatever, as well.
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, I say we go with that.
There does need to be a mention of other Python installers somewhere
anyway, and ActiveState should certainly be listed.
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hout tweaking config files. ;-)
Mac users expect to have to buy it or download it and install it, but
then expect it to "just work".
That's changed a bit with OS-X and all the nice i* apps, but you still
can't get that much "real work" done on a Mac without installing
d it can be used on its own. Does PyOxide have a debugger?
You'd also be amazed at how far you can get with the command line and a
bunch of sprinkled print statements.
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way to specify multiple versions in order
of preference, and a python launcher that would sort that out for you.
This would be particularly nice on Windows, where you can only associate
*.py with one thing. Maybe some day I'll want that enoug
And I second that: I love it!
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.
> I see wxPython
> mentioned there, very much in passing, and with a virtual deprecation
> in the same sentence
That may be out of date info. wxPython has improved a LOT in recent
releases. It's a Wiki, we can update it.
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site -- perhaps they've already done done icon work, or other
graphic work that could be adapted.
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I don't love it, but it's fine, and it would scale well to different
sizes. Using the same icon as the web site is a very good idea. Does
anyone know how final that look for the web site is?
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Donovan Preston wrote:
> Stop with the 16 ton weight/snakes/apples debate. Just use the new,
> official, python logo,
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ox right now). You may want to add that to your PATH too. The
upcoming new installer is going to do that for you.
good luck,
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ckages). That's probably the case for
almost all people that are the primary user of their machine.
The main exception is if you have a bunch of modules you want to use
that you don't want to install in the system python. I've never had a
need for that, but some do.
pt change it for all
*.pyw scripts?
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bit easier for
some folks, and what's the harm?
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hon/2.4/site-packages
It would be nice if that directory existed.
On the other hand, when the installer runs, do we create one only in the
user's directory that's installing, or all users directories, or???
Maybe it's just as easy to just tell people to create it if they
ussion about what version of python the
macpython community should endorse centered around the advantages of
using a non-Apple build with py2app.
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lRunTime) and put
a few links into usr/local/bin to whatever you need in:
/Library/FrameWorks.MySpecialRuntime.framework/Version/2.4/bin/
Would this work?
I may just try this some day.
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s crazy new enormo-icons. Also contains the
vector graphics source file in Xara format. You can also see a preview
here:
http://www.doxdesk.com/img/software/py/icons.png
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"""
sr/local/bin to your PATH instead, but adding
a line something like this to your
/Users/YourName/.profile file:
export PATH="usr/local/bin/:$PATH"
That will tell your shell (if it's the default bash shell) to look in
/usr/local/bin for executables before the other places
ntosh, various flavors of
Windows, KDE, etc -- I still keep going back to the command line for
some things.
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t need a
*.pth file. I think all you need to do is have a __init__.py file in the
package directory. I'd encourage the kinds developers to update their setup.
by the way, what is kinds? the word "kinds" is so common I'm having a
Louis Pecora wrote:
> Any ideas?
yup.
Py2App should have installed a script in /usr/local/bin called
bdist_mpkg. If that's on your PATH, you should be able to run:
bdist_mpkg
in the directory that your setup.py lives in.
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y need to upgrade your XCode tools to do this.
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in, it should use it.
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we need to update
pythonmac.org/packages with some information about what packages will
work with it, and start building new universal packages!
I know I need:
wxPython
numpy
matplotlib
At the very least, so I'll help with those, though wxPython is beyond my
skills.
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suspect that you installed a PY2App that doesn't match the python you
are using, so it's installed in the wrong place.
I'm really looking forward to when (soon!) we have the Universal 2.4.3
and we can all just work hard to support that ONE version!
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Ronald Oussoren wrote:
> I'd prefer to have 1 installer for python on OSX, that makes support
> a lot easier.
And we would like to by able to use Py2App to build apps that will run
under both 10.3.9 and 10.4.*
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Even a wishlist for packages would be useful.
wxPython
numpy
Numeric
numarray
matplotlib
PIL
I can work on all of those.
Then:
PyGTK : Is there a version that can work entirely fink (or darwinports)
free?
PyQT: that's going to be fun!
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to call the 2.4.3 Universal
build the "officially recommended" build, and we can have a collection
of packages there for it. I now I'll contribute a few, and I'm sure
others will as well.
One question is: should they be eggs or traditional *.mp
ges for .mpkgs and binary eggs?
What happens if you double-click on a *.egg?
I like that anyone with OS-X can figure out how to install from a *.mpkg
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This means that for those of us on PPC
machine, we can have all the old packages while we test and build new ones.
Very cool.
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start a Wiki page with a list of packages and an indication
of what was needed to do to build them.
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oesn't the wxPython package?
Anyway, another advantage of eggs is that they can be versioned, so that
users can have different versions of a package installed at once.
Couldn't we put a *.egg into a *.mpkg? and get the best of both worlds?
alPackages
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start making packages for all to use.
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and then linked MPL against them, getting a nice
self-contained package. However, I have no idea how I would go about
building Universal static libs, or two sets of libs, or
Any suggestions?
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libs in various packages, maybe we should make a "libs package", that
might even install into the Python tree, and they can all use that.
libfreetype is needed for both matplotlib and PIL, for instance.
Thoughts?
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e, think it would be a good start to get a Tiger only one out
there. Did you need to do anything special to get that working?
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thon, on various platforms.
I hope you'll put it on the wiki or somewhere for all to see.
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Bob Ippolito wrote:
> When using the universal build, you need to have the universal SDK
> installed. It looks like you don't.
Do you get that if you install the latest XCode tools?
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ng yourself, and I don't know how universally that works.
I'd be inclined to wait until we have a core of commonly used packages
available.
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