Re: [QUAD-L] Viewing the Big Picture

2006-07-23 Thread Tim Thompson
Intent On 7/22/06, RollinOn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But it'sok to kill innocent civilians in the name of Freedom? How come nobody will answer that question? It's being done by the same man, right? Why is it ok tosacrifice Iraqipeople? I guesscalling them collateral damage makes it ok? I'm

Re: [QUAD-L] Viewing the Big Picture

2006-07-23 Thread RollinOn
So they were asacrifice in order to accomplish a goal. I say this because it wasa known fact that innocent people would die, right? So please once again tell me howthis is different. Mark ---Original Message--- From: Jim Lubin Date: 07/22/06 22:36:35 To: RollinOn; Tim Thompson;

Re: [QUAD-L] Viewing the Big Picture

2006-07-23 Thread RollinOn
So they knew they were going to kill them butit wasn't there intent and that's your answer? So let's try not to kill the embryos in the process and we have a compromise. Mark ---Original Message--- From: Tim Thompson Date: 07/23/06 14:02:26 To: RollinOn Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com

Re: [QUAD-L] Viewing the Big Picture

2006-07-23 Thread wheelchair
In a message dated 7/23/2006 2:33:12 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Intent" I wish, hope and pray that nothing bad happens to our standing president, his family or loved ones. But I wonder if the President would have acted any differently if a close family member was

Re: [QUAD-L] Viewing the Big Picture

2006-07-23 Thread DeLiMiTeD4
It is not ok to kill people. We are talking about exploiting the availability of human tissue. Just stem cells. These are not and never will be humans. These are unassigned cells. They have no thoughts, no ambitions, no sense of self, and most importantly, no womb. If I gave you all the pieces

Re: [QUAD-L] Viewing the Big Picture

2006-07-23 Thread RollinOn
For the record John I'm with youI don't believewe aretalking about killing humans with Embryonic stem cell research. I was just trying to understand how these 2 killings are differentinBush's head. Markl ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 07/23/06 15:28:46 To:

Re: [QUAD-L] Viewing the Big Picture

2006-07-23 Thread Jim Lubin
At 12:52 PM 7/23/2006, RollinOn wrote: So they knew they were going to kill them but it wasn't there intent and that's your answer? So let's try not to kill the embryos in the process and we have a compromise. Yes, that is my answer. I am all for stem cell research that does not involve taking

Re: [QUAD-L] Viewing the Big Picture

2006-07-23 Thread Jim Lubin
At 01:27 PM 7/23/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is not ok to kill people. We are talking about exploiting the availability of human tissue. Just stem cells. These are not and never will be humans. These are unassigned cells. They have no thoughts, no ambitions, no sense of self, and most

Re: [QUAD-L] Viewing the Big Picture

2006-07-23 Thread RollinOn
Speech to the U.N. By George W. Bush Americans understand the costs of conflict because we have paid them in the past. War has no certainty except the certainty of sacrifice. So I think we all knew. Mark ---Original Message--- From: Jim Lubin Date: 07/23/06 16:14:47 To:

Re: [QUAD-L] Viewing the Big Picture

2006-07-23 Thread Dan
At 08:34 PM 7/22/2006 -0700, Jim Lubin said something that elicited my response: Innocent people are not purposely being targeted to be killed. At least not by U.S. military. The U.S. military uses every option available to avoid killing innocent people. You're kidding, right? How

Re: [QUAD-L] Viewing the Big Picture

2006-07-23 Thread Oconnelldb
Jim, How do you feel about us killing cows and chickens to eat? What about euthanizing dogs and cats at the pound to control the population? Do rats and monkeys fall into the protected group? How about killing flys and mosquitoes - they feed the larger animals you know. In a related point

Re: [QUAD-L] Viewing the Big Picture

2006-07-23 Thread Silas
Your right on Dave! Nature has to take its coarse, if every embryo became a human the world would be so over populated no one could servive. Were already on the road to self destruction, hell if nature took it's coarse none of us quads would alive to worry about stem cells. Don't get me

Re: [QUAD-L] So, what do ya think of stem cell chat?

2006-07-23 Thread DeLiMiTeD4
I don't think I've changed anyone"s mind about stem cells. I think everyone here has there opinions. I'm sure the moral arguement against use of embryonic stem cells wouldn't exist if they caused hair to grow on bald people , or guarenteed weight loss while imcreasing the size of your

Re: [QUAD-L] Viewing the Big Picture

2006-07-23 Thread Oconnelldb
Bush jumped at Sadam to finish what his daddy started - Very few yelled at GHWB in '91. Sadam was the biggest bully in the area blowing all sorts of rhetoric at us - he needed spanking. It seemed it would be 'free'. O'C In a message dated 7/23/2006 4:03:59 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,

[QUAD-L] Emailing: Our_tax_dollars_at_wo

2006-07-23 Thread ALAN LABARR
how about this? alan The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments:Shortcut to: http://www.sptimes.com/2006/07/23/Columns/Our_tax_dollars_at_wo.shtmlNote: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may prevent sending or receiving certain types of

Re: [QUAD-L] Viewing the Big Picture

2006-07-23 Thread Oconnelldb
Not an evil dictator, really? You missed all the reports huh? Kuwaties got in his way, Kurds were gassed in very large numbers. He shot, killed, raped, plundered hundreds of thousands of his own countrymen so he was certainly evil. He might not have been the MOST evil dictator on the

Re: [QUAD-L] Emailing: Our_tax_dollars_at_wo

2006-07-23 Thread DeLiMiTeD4
I think Bush would violate any or all morals to justify his morals. God only knows what he believes. White house leakls are good if they are authorized. Lies are good if they advance his position. Killing is good if it advances his position. But taxes on rich are bad! John In a message dated

Re: [QUAD-L] Viewing the Big Picture

2006-07-23 Thread Jim Lubin
Dave, I personally feel HUMAN life needs to be protected when possible. Hmm, let me rephrase that to innocent human lifes. I do believe in the death penalty for violent criminals when their crime can be proven without any doubt. When it comes to non-human life (animals and insects), treat them

Re: [QUAD-L] Emailing: Our_tax_dollars_at_wo

2006-07-23 Thread Dan
John, We think so much alike it's scary. Half the time I don't post because all I could say would be ditto. Dan At 08:13 PM 7/23/2006 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said something that elicited my response: I think Bush would violate any or all morals to justify his morals. God only knows

Re: [QUAD-L] Viewing the Big Picture

2006-07-23 Thread DeLiMiTeD4
He was wahabi and bath and you are right! I didn't care what saddam did as long as he did it to his friends, the kuwaitis, the saudis, the kurds and the iranians. Why should America care if we are buying oil from a sadistic rotten dictator, instead of another sadistic rotten dictator. A little