Re: [QUAD-L] Playing God

2005-03-30 Thread Greg
Religion is a big part of this. The families attorney is a big zealot. He was involved in the abortion clinic stuff. Plus he says not only is everyone on the "right to die" side going to burn in Hell. But if they pull the tube, "She" will burn in Hell. Now that's one scary belief in God. Greg > I

Re: [QUAD-L] Playing God

2005-03-29 Thread wheelchair
In a message dated 3/29/05 4:28:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I haven't heard these news stories at all, but based on the description, >> LOL, I said the same thing about OJ Simpson and Robert Blake. Court proved me wrong twice now. W

RE: [QUAD-L] Playing God

2005-03-29 Thread Kate Hubin
I haven't heard these news stories at all, but based on the description, I would bet good money that the people involved were Christians, and probably very vocally so. I don't think people are usually motivated strongly enough to be driven to want to murder someone they don't even know unless it's

Re: [QUAD-L] Playing God

2005-03-29 Thread dave headman
ri Michaelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Quad" Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Playing God Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:56:58 -0800 I just want to make sure I'm understanding your position and those who agree with you. You consider giving nutrition through a feeding tube to someone w

RE: [QUAD-L] Playing God

2005-03-29 Thread QuadPirate
To: Lori Michaelson; quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] Playing God     What would have been really "brave,"  responsible filmmaking I think, would be to have shown Hillary Swank's character in Million Dollar Baby go through the depression, beg Clint Eastwood's character

Re: [QUAD-L] Playing God

2005-03-29 Thread wheelchair
In a message dated 3/28/05 9:30:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I don't know so I choose to error on the side of life. Jim >> ... and then came "Brother's Keeper" W

Re: [QUAD-L] Playing God

2005-03-28 Thread Jim Lubin
At 04:04 PM 3/28/2005, Lori Michaelson wrote: That was worded poorly (my email below) and I know your situation, Jim, and I like and respect you.  You're not like a plant in that you can think and communicate and we KNOW (not guessing) your thoughts and desires because of that. I'm fortunate that

RE: [QUAD-L] Playing God

2005-03-28 Thread Jim Lubin
At 04:58 PM 3/28/2005, Kate Hubin wrote: on a big tangent:   I was also a publicist on the film The Sea Inside.  Has anyone seen it? I think it was a very well made film, and that case was different of course, because the man in the film (based on a true story) was at full mental capacity, and e

RE: [QUAD-L] Playing God

2005-03-28 Thread Kate Hubin
ilto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 4:09 PMTo: QuadSubject: RE: [QUAD-L] Playing God I love Kate's replies.  So... I agree with her :-)   Where have you been Kate?  Nice to meet you!   Lori    ---Original Message--

Re: [QUAD-L] Playing God

2005-03-28 Thread wheelchair
In a message dated 3/28/05 6:05:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << This passage suggests that God will give whatever is needed to those who have the faith to ask for it. >> I don't remember anything about the "pulling of one's feeding tube" Maybe we should just feed her fish, ? W

RE: [QUAD-L] Playing God

2005-03-28 Thread Jim Lubin
in any way.  From: Jim Lubin [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 3:38 PM To: Lori Michaelson; Quad Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Playing God I need a life-support machine to keep me alive, not umpteen, just one. If that one machine stops someone else needs to push air into my lungs

RE: [QUAD-L] Playing God

2005-03-28 Thread Lori Michaelson
I love Kate's replies.  So... I agree with her :-)   Where have you been Kate?  Nice to meet you!   Lori    ---Original Message---   From: Kate Hubin Date: 03/28/05 16:30:35 To: Jim Lubin; Lori Michaelson; Quad Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] Playing God   I don't think anyone

Re: [QUAD-L] Playing God

2005-03-28 Thread Lori Michaelson
ginal Message---   From: Jim Lubin Date: 03/28/05 16:41:38 To: Lori Michaelson; Quad Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Playing God  I need a life-support machine to keep me alive, not umpteen, just one.If that one machine stops someone else needs to push air into my lungs or I just sit here and die.Someone n

RE: [QUAD-L] Playing God

2005-03-28 Thread Kate Hubin
3:38 PMTo: Lori Michaelson; QuadSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] Playing God I need a life-support machine to keep me alive, not umpteen, just one.If that one machine stops someone else needs to push air into my lungs or I just sit here and die.Someone needs to feed me and give me water or I will die

Re: [QUAD-L] Playing God

2005-03-28 Thread Jim Lubin
I need a life-support machine to keep me alive, not umpteen, just one. If that one machine stops someone else needs to push air into my lungs or I just sit here and die. Someone needs to feed me and give me water or I will die since I am unable to feed myself. If I wasn't given choices by those c

RE: [QUAD-L] Playing God

2005-03-28 Thread Kate Hubin
receiving that artificial support, you can actually be considered to be living.  From: Jim Lubin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 2:57 PMTo: Lori Michaelson; QuadSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] Playing God I just want to make sure I'm understanding your position and thos

Re: [QUAD-L] Playing God

2005-03-28 Thread Jim Lubin
I just want to make sure I'm understanding your position and those who agree with you. You consider giving nutrition through a feeding tube to someone who is breathing on their own "Playing God". You think a person on artificial life support (such as myself depending on a ventilator to breathe) s

Re: [QUAD-L] Playing God

2005-03-28 Thread Bob Hickey
-L] Playing God   LOL  I need no lessons-- i've always hunted and fished before my accident--I got an 8 point hanging in my room.Since I got hurt now I only fish.  But I was making a point people can argue about almost any subject, Like you said if wildlife gets braindead they di

Re: [QUAD-L] Playing God

2005-03-28 Thread Quietstream25322
  LOL  I need no lessons-- i've always hunted and fished before my accident--I got an 8 point hanging in my room.Since I got hurt now I only fish.  But I was making a point people can argue about almost any subject, Like you said if wildlife gets braindead they die get ate or so on. But nowda

Re: [QUAD-L] Playing God

2005-03-28 Thread Bob Hickey
PROTECTED] ; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Playing God   I agree with you Lori..we can argue about almost any situation. We will not change Terri's case one way or another, it's not even our business, It's her fa

Re: [QUAD-L] Playing God

2005-03-28 Thread QuadPirate
on a matter you have no personal experience with or any experience with at all that I know of.   Mark         ---Original Message---   From: Lori Michaelson Date: 03/28/05 12:57:44 To: Quad Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Playing God      I'm talking about those whose whole body and "min

Re: [QUAD-L] Playing God

2005-03-28 Thread Quietstream25322
  I agree with you Lori..we can argue about almost any situation. We will not change Terri's case one way or another, it's not even our business, It's her family and doctors and the legal system.  Like many of the hunters in here having a fit about her tube being removed-- well it was put

RE: [QUAD-L] Playing God

2005-03-28 Thread Eric W Rudd
Title: Message Do they have machines like these?  WOW!     Eric W Rudd [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: Lori Michaelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 12:58 PMTo: QuadSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] Playing God    I&#

Re: [QUAD-L] Playing God

2005-03-28 Thread Lori Michaelson
to die do they?   Lori     ---Original Message---   From: QuadPirate Date: 03/28/05 11:46:29 To: quad-list@eskimo.com; Lori Michaelson Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Playing God   Man there's a lot of quads on this list that are on "artificial" life support like a ventilator that would not ma

RE: [QUAD-L] Playing God

2005-03-28 Thread Kate Hubin
Unfortunately, there's no neutral 'way out' here - there's no way just to be passive and 'leave it in God's hands.'   To take the tube out is an active choice that WILL result in her death.  That's playing God to me just as much as keeping it in would be.  In my view, there's no taking it ou

Re: [QUAD-L] Playing God

2005-03-28 Thread QuadPirate
Man there's a lot of quads on this list that are on "artificial" life support like a ventilator that would not make it if you took them off so what are you trying to say? This is where the problem begins.   Mark    ---Original Message---   From: Lori Michaelson Date: 03/28/05 12:30:5

Re: [QUAD-L] Playing God

2005-03-28 Thread Quietstream25322
 Amen  Lori  !!!