Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd wedged again

2012-02-08 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
On 2/8/2012 4:41 PM, E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists wrote: BlackList wrote: Any CPU power management enabled? Good question, but, no. System is set never to sleep, never to standby, never to shut down hard drive, and hibernate only if on battery w

Re: [ntp:questions] lots of GPS modules and info at SparkFun

2012-02-08 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
Hi Brent, I spent a little while skimming over the 254 PAGE! pdf of the manual from the SparkFun website. The device is certainly well documented. I couldn't find where they specify the timing relationship you specify. That's very interesting if it's consistent. I'm currently using a Glob

Re: [ntp:questions] lots of GPS modules and info at SparkFun

2012-02-08 Thread David J Taylor
Hello all, While researching potential GPS modules to experiment with for PPS output, I discovered that SparkFun has quite a lot of modules, some of which have PPS and some of which don't. You can't necessarily tell from the product page. You have to check the data sheet. You can go to the

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd losing sync

2012-02-08 Thread David J Taylor
"A C" wrote in message news:4f32d84a.5090...@acarver.net... [] Man, lots of good message came through in a single block last night. I found 140 new messages from lists.ntp.org when it's normally just a few a day. As the mail gateway is the secondary source, why not subscribe directly to th

Re: [ntp:questions] how to change the runtime priority of NTPD on Windows

2012-02-08 Thread David J Taylor
Hello. I'm not sure who to address my reply to. Thanks for the link to the configuration info. Here are a couple of quotes from it: -M Raise scheduler precision to its maximum (1 ms) using timeBeginPeriod. (Windows only) -P /priority/ To the extent permitted by the operating system,

Re: [ntp:questions] Is this a bug? Different outputs from ntpdc -c kerninfo

2012-02-08 Thread David J Taylor
On 2012-02-08T19:59:49-, David J Taylor wrote: Running on my Windows PC (ntpd 4.2.7p241) I get: C:\>ntpdc -c kerninfo pixie [...] Whereas logged into the FreeBSD 8.0 system (ntpd 4.2.4p5) I see: pixie-ii# ntpdc -c kerninfo Not only do the numbers look different, but the 2107 status isn'

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd wedged again

2012-02-08 Thread A C
On 2/7/2012 19:12, Dave Hart wrote: On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 18:46, Dave Hart wrote: On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 18:38, A C wrote: On 2/7/2012 10:21, Dave Hart wrote: Thanks for the heads-up. Assuming by "the C99 flag" you mean it was configured using --enable-c99-snprintf, that flag didn't "take"

Re: [ntp:questions] lots of GPS modules and info at SparkFun

2012-02-08 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
Found some additional info to share. See below. On 2/8/2012 5:23 PM, Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: Hello all, While researching potential GPS modules to experiment with for PPS output, I discovered that SparkFun has quite a lot of modules, some of which have PPS and some of which don't. You can'

[ntp:questions] lots of GPS modules and info at SparkFun

2012-02-08 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
Hello all, While researching potential GPS modules to experiment with for PPS output, I discovered that SparkFun has quite a lot of modules, some of which have PPS and some of which don't. You can't necessarily tell from the product page. You have to check the data sheet. You can go to the

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd wedged again

2012-02-08 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
> BlackList wrote: >> Any CPU power management enabled? > > Good question, but, no. System is set never to sleep, > never to standby, never to shut down hard drive, > and hibernate only if on battery with critical low battery. FYI, CPU power management differs from those system power managemen

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd wedged again

2012-02-08 Thread A C
On 2/8/2012 13:06, E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists wrote: A C wrote: BlackList wrote: Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: I will admit that I've only skimmed your NTPD losing sync thread briefly. ... occasionally goes crazy and has offsets almost an order of magnitude larg

Re: [ntp:questions] How do you reply to list postings

2012-02-08 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2012-02-08, Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: > I've just been sending my posts to questions@lists.ntp.org via email and > reading posts via email. I wasn't aware that a newsgroup was involved > although I have noted your reply, for example, is also copied to a > newsgroup. http://lists.ntp.org/li

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd wedged again

2012-02-08 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
A C wrote: > BlackList wrote: >> Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: >>> I will admit that I've only skimmed your NTPD losing >>> sync thread briefly. >>> ... occasionally goes crazy and has offsets almost an >>> order of magnitude larger than normal. >> >> Any CPU power management enabled? > > Not that I k

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd wedged again

2012-02-08 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
On 2/8/2012 3:02 PM, Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: On 2/7/2012 5:34 PM, E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists wrote: Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: I will admit that I've only skimmed your NTPD losing sync thread briefly. ... occasionally goes crazy and has offsets almost an order o

Re: [ntp:questions] How do you reply to list postings

2012-02-08 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
On 2/7/2012 4:05 PM, David Woolley wrote: Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: Thanks to Dave and Chuck for the quick replies. Just FYI, most of the other lists I'm on use the public list address if you hit reply. Most of the lists I am on do not munge the reply-to header, and will generally point y

Re: [ntp:questions] Is this a bug? Different outputs from ntpdc -c kerninfo

2012-02-08 Thread Kenyon Ralph
On 2012-02-08T19:59:49-, David J Taylor wrote: > Running on my Windows PC (ntpd 4.2.7p241) I get: > > C:\>ntpdc -c kerninfo pixie [...] > Whereas logged into the FreeBSD 8.0 system (ntpd 4.2.4p5) I see: > > pixie-ii# ntpdc -c kerninfo > > Not only do the numbers look different, but the 210

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd losing sync

2012-02-08 Thread A C
On 2/4/2012 15:28, David Lord wrote: A C wrote: For reference, this is what the system looks like normally until the oscillations go out of control and wipe out clock sync: remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter ===

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd losing sync

2012-02-08 Thread A C
On 2/4/2012 13:12, E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists wrote: A C wrote: Harlan Stenn wrote: And have you tried the same thing without the "minpoll 9" entries? What happens if you let ntpd ramp up the poll interval as it sees fit? The poll intervals aren't ramping whi

Re: [ntp:questions] How do you reply to list postings

2012-02-08 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
On 2/7/2012 2:12 PM, Rod Dorman wrote: In article<4f316f9a.6040...@c3energy.com>, Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: The subject may sound silly, but every time I click reply to one of the postings on this list, it puts the original message poster's address in the TO field rather than the public list

[ntp:questions] Is this a bug? Different outputs from ntpdc -c kerninfo

2012-02-08 Thread David J Taylor
Running on my Windows PC (ntpd 4.2.7p241) I get: C:\>ntpdc -c kerninfo pixie pll offset: 0.001216 s pll frequency:27.793 ppm maximum error:0.005504 s estimated error: 2e-006 s status: 2107 pll time constant:4 precision:1e-006 s frequenc

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP+GPS gone haywire

2012-02-08 Thread A C
I just received all these emails today. I guess the mail gateway was stuck and not sending messages to the group. Still working on the problem but there was already an issue with my copy of libc having a broken dtoa. Compiling in a workaround. On 1/30/2012 13:29, E-Mail Sent to this addres

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd wedged again

2012-02-08 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
On 2/7/2012 5:34 PM, E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists wrote: Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: I will admit that I've only skimmed your NTPD losing sync thread briefly. ... occasionally goes crazy and has offsets almost an order of magnitude larger than normal. Any

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd wedged again

2012-02-08 Thread A C
On 2/7/2012 19:12, Dave Hart wrote: On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 18:46, Dave Hart wrote: On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 18:38, A C wrote: On 2/7/2012 10:21, Dave Hart wrote: Thanks for the heads-up. Assuming by "the C99 flag" you mean it was configured using --enable-c99-snprintf, that flag didn't "take"

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd wedged again

2012-02-08 Thread A C
On 2/7/2012 14:34, E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists wrote: Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: I will admit that I've only skimmed your NTPD losing sync thread briefly. ... occasionally goes crazy and has offsets almost an order of magnitude larger than normal. Any CPU power

Re: [ntp:questions] Second attempt at GPS-18 based NTP server

2012-02-08 Thread David J Taylor
"Kenyon Ralph" wrote in message news:20120208192213.gc18...@kenyonralph.com... [] I don't think you're using the kernel PPS signal, so you may not have compiled the kernel with the PPS_SYNC option. This is what you should see, notice the "o" and mentions of PPS in kerninfo output (this output is

Re: [ntp:questions] how to change the runtime priority of NTPD on Windows

2012-02-08 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
On 2/3/2012 12:14 PM, E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists wrote: Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: So, the question is, how do I force this process to always start at the priority that I want, rather than having to change it each time in Task Manager? Change the service

Re: [ntp:questions] How do you reply to list postings

2012-02-08 Thread Kenyon Ralph
On 2012-02-08T09:07:33-, David J Taylor wrote: > I am unsure why people don't just use NNTP - there are plenty of > free servers should your ISP not have a USENET server. Eternal > September has already been mentioned. All of the other technical groups I subscribe to use mailing lists. Why

Re: [ntp:questions] No PPSAPI WinNT with NMEA flag1 1 (was ntpd 4.2.7p238-o) now ntpd 4.2.7p253-o

2012-02-08 Thread Dave Hart
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 10:58, Mark C. Stephens wrote: > Going to have to make a script that collects all of this, I left the peer out: > > ntpq> peer >     remote           refid      st t when poll reach   delay   offset  jitter > ==

Re: [ntp:questions] How do you reply to list postings

2012-02-08 Thread David J Taylor
I am unsure why people don't just use NNTP - there are plenty of free servers should your ISP not have a USENET server. Eternal September has already been mentioned It's their choice. If you want to know their resoning you'd be better served asking real questions of the right individuals instea

Re: [ntp:questions] Second attempt at GPS-18 based NTP server

2012-02-08 Thread Kenyon Ralph
On 2012-02-03T15:55:41-, David J Taylor wrote: > >The need to make a custom kernel that includes option PPS_SYNC is > >still true on the recently released FreeBSD 9.0. > > > >Tom > > Thanks, Tom. I'm not familiar with FreeBSD 8.0, but looking at the > revision dates on some files it appears

Re: [ntp:questions] How do you reply to list postings

2012-02-08 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2012-02-08, David J Taylor wrote: > I am unsure why people don't just use NNTP - there are plenty of free > servers should your ISP not have a USENET server. Eternal September > has already been mentioned It's their choice. If you want to know their resoning you'd be better served asking rea

Re: [ntp:questions] Second attempt at GPS-18 based NTP server

2012-02-08 Thread unruh
On 2012-02-02, David J Taylor wrote: >> On NetBSD-5 with ntpd 4.2.6p5 the default is 64s. > > I wonder what expertise they have to select polling for reference clocks? > BTW: Paul has FreeBSD. The reason for longer polling is a) network load, and b) rate optimality. If you are running ntp in ord

Re: [ntp:questions] timing issue with a HP 58534A

2012-02-08 Thread David Lord
Mark C. Stephens wrote: That clarifies things a lot, Mr. Hart. Both of the ntp servers have an * not an o. and I'd really like to squeeze some more accuracy out of it ;) [root@NTP ~]# ntpq -p remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter ===

Re: [ntp:questions] How do you reply to list postings

2012-02-08 Thread David Woolley
Dave Hart wrote: On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 23:01, Lylex Ryan wrote: And if all you get is the daily summary, how to you reply to a post? This post is my best guess: by cutting the message out of the daily summary and replying to the list with an appropriate Subject. Good guess! You should ne

Re: [ntp:questions] timing issue with a HP 58534A

2012-02-08 Thread David J Taylor
Bad, GPS not working with NTPD when set to timing mode: $GPGGA,053037,3345.8218,S,15105.5278,E,0,08,00.35,90.0,M,0020.5,M,, [] Footnote: To further complicate matters, I wired up a tee cable and sent the NMEA to another NTP server here running windows NTPD 4.2.7p238-o. NMEA works fine on

Re: [ntp:questions] How do you reply to list postings

2012-02-08 Thread David J Taylor
"David Woolley" wrote in message news:jgtaso$gg6$1...@dont-email.me... [] It is also worth noting that, at least historically, some email postings never make it to the core usenet group. I don't know if this has been fixed since. I'm sure they don't, as I would have expected Dave Hart (for

Re: [ntp:questions] How do you reply to list postings

2012-02-08 Thread Rod Dorman
In article <4f316f9a.6040...@c3energy.com>, Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: >The subject may sound silly, but every time I click reply to one of the >postings on this list, it puts the original message poster's address in >the TO field rather than the public list address. If I want my reply to >go to

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd wedged again

2012-02-08 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: > I will admit that I've only skimmed your NTPD losing sync thread briefly. > ... occasionally goes crazy and has offsets almost an order of > magnitude larger than normal. Any CPU power management enabled? -- E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLis

Re: [ntp:questions] How do you reply to list postings

2012-02-08 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
On 2/7/2012 1:38 PM, Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: The subject may sound silly, but every time I click reply to one of the postings on this list, it puts the original message poster's address in the TO field rather than the public list address. If I want my reply to go to the list, I have to change th

Re: [ntp:questions] How do you reply to list postings

2012-02-08 Thread David Woolley
Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: Thanks to Dave and Chuck for the quick replies. Just FYI, most of the other lists I'm on use the public list address if you hit reply. Most of the lists I am on do not munge the reply-to header, and will generally point you to http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-ha

Re: [ntp:questions] How do you reply to list postings

2012-02-08 Thread David Woolley
Rod Dorman wrote: I simply type an uppercase F but since you mentioned 'click' I'm guessing you're using a GUI newsreader. I think he's using the mailing list gateway rather than the underlying newsgroup. ___ questions mailing list questions@lists

[ntp:questions] NTP PPS on windows losing sync due to bad serial port data.

2012-02-08 Thread Gom
Hi, I use NTP on my windows box with serial PPS on a modded Sure board as per David Taylor's intructions (thanks Dave ;-) ) Issue I ran into is that a some point the server lost the PPS. But the GPS seemed to work OK, with blue flashing led etc. I activated the -ddd debug and got refclock_gtra

Re: [ntp:questions] No PPS FreeBSD with NMEA flag1 1 ntpd Ver. 4.2.6p5

2012-02-08 Thread Thomas Laus
On 2012-02-07, Mark C. Stephens wrote: > > [root@NTP ~]# ntpdc -c kerninfo > pll offset: 3.243e-05 s > pll frequency:106.791 ppm > maximum error:0.011957 s > estimated error: 8.8e-05 s > status: 2001 pll nano > pll time constant:4 > precision:

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd losing sync

2012-02-08 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
A C wrote: > Harlan Stenn wrote: >> And have you tried the same thing without the "minpoll 9" entries? >> >> What happens if you let ntpd ramp up the poll interval as it sees fit? > > The poll intervals aren't ramping which is why I have the minpoll > directives. They stay locked to the PPS pollin

Re: [ntp:questions] Second attempt at GPS-18 based NTP server

2012-02-08 Thread unruh
On 2012-02-03, David Woolley wrote: > unruh wrote: > >> >> The delays from refclocks are almost always all zero. Thus there will be >> no info in the delay as whther a problem occured. ntpd will simply >> assume it is as good as any other sample, and use it (the clockfilter >> uses delays to sele

Re: [ntp:questions] how to change the runtime priority of NTPD on Windows

2012-02-08 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: > I decided to install the Meinburg NTP server and monitor > on my Windows machines. ... > I updated the key NTP programs and am using NTP version > ntp-4.2.7p249-win-x86-bin from Dave Hart's website ... > using RealTime priority creates periodic spikes where the > o

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd losing sync

2012-02-08 Thread David Lord
A C wrote: On 2/4/2012 01:11, Harlan Stenn wrote: A C wrote: Here's the current configuration for version 4.2.7p236: server 0.us.pool.ntp.org minpoll 9 iburst server 1.us.pool.ntp.org minpoll 9 iburst server 0.north-america.pool.ntp.org minpoll 9 iburst You might

Re: [ntp:questions] clock selection

2012-02-08 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
Mark C. Stephens wrote: > For the clock selection to work properly, > do I need at least 2 other time sources? > I have noticed that if I have one ref clock and one > server configured they both get marked as false ticklers. > Add a third server and it all works. > Just want to check if this is

Re: [ntp:questions] timing issue with a HP 58534A

2012-02-08 Thread David J Taylor
"Mark C. Stephens" wrote in message news:4bde1132003994498b736b8017d15d10088ef...@exch2010.non-stop.com.au... [] GPS initially was selected but eventually got marked as false ticker. I am going to drag a silly scope down there to have a look at the timing pulse, I have a vague suspicion it ma

Re: [ntp:questions] clock selection

2012-02-08 Thread David Woolley
Mark C. Stephens wrote: For the clock selection to work properly, do I need at least 2 other time sources? I have noticed that if I have one ref clock and one server configured they both get marked as false ticklers. Add a third server and it all works. Just want to check if this is the expec

Re: [ntp:questions] Second attempt at GPS-18 based NTP server

2012-02-08 Thread David Lord
David Lord wrote: On NetBSD-5 with ntpd 4.2.6p5 the default is 64s. I've just added the "minpoll 4 maxpoll 4" back to my ntp.conf as it could reduce the 30 usec offset blips I get when logs are rotated. On my two pool servers I have named internet servers with "minpoll 8 maxpoll 10 ibur

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd losing sync

2012-02-08 Thread David Lord
A C wrote: For reference, this is what the system looks like normally until the oscillations go out of control and wipe out clock sync: remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter

Re: [ntp:questions] timing issue with a HP 58534A

2012-02-08 Thread unruh
Just ran a test in which I turned off chrony and ntpd (not running) and monitored the offset of a Sure GPS connected to the ACK pin of my parallel port, and a parallel interrupt service module I wrote. I got brief blips in which the offset was clarly 10-40us late. Ie, something is eating up inter

Re: [ntp:questions] Second attempt at GPS-18 based NTP server

2012-02-08 Thread Rhys
In article , david- tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid says... > > > The generic BSD kernel does not enable PPS support by default. You must > > recompile to enable PPS. > > > > > > The page you quoted says the following in the section "System software > > customization" (about 45% down the page i

Re: [ntp:questions] timing issue with a HP 58534A

2012-02-08 Thread David J Taylor
Yes, you are right added 'fudge time2 -0.5' [] How do I check if ntpd is using PPS pulse? I still have to check the PPS pulse with a scope . Mark OK, you made the change with fudge, thanks. Yes, check with a 'scope, that will help. On Windows, you can look for a "o" rather than a "*" in

Re: [ntp:questions] timing issue with a HP 58534A

2012-02-08 Thread David J Taylor
I seem to have a timing issue with a HP 58534A smart antenna; the NMEA refclock is always about half a second out and never gets selected: [] Many thanks, Mark Mark, Could it be that your PC is looking for the wrong edge? There's a configuration option to select either edge. My PCs look fo

Re: [ntp:questions] Second attempt at GPS-18 based NTP server

2012-02-08 Thread unruh
On 2012-02-02, Thomas Laus wrote: > On 2012-02-02, Paul Duncan wrote: >> So, I *think* that everything is okay, and it is using the PPS signal. >> There is one slight worry, which is what I see in /var/log/messages: >> >> Feb 2 09:50:16 tock ntpd[1573]: refclock_nmea: time_pps_kcbind failed: >

Re: [ntp:questions] Second attempt at GPS-18 based NTP server

2012-02-08 Thread unruh
On 2012-02-02, David Woolley wrote: > David Lord wrote: > >> >> I've just added the "minpoll 4 maxpoll 4" back to my ntp.conf >> as it could reduce the 30 usec offset blips I get when logs are >> rotated. > > That's almost certainly totally the wrong thing to do. If you have > short periods of

Re: [ntp:questions] Second attempt at GPS-18 based NTP server

2012-02-08 Thread David J Taylor
Hello All, I've (temporarily) given up on the idea of using Linux for the OS, and moved to FreeBSD, with the same GPS hardware, using some of the information on this web page: http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/FreeBSD-GPS-PPS.htm ntpq -p now says: remote refid st t when poll r

Re: [ntp:questions] what are 127.127.50.0 and 127.127.46.0?

2012-02-08 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
Mark C. Stephens wrote: > Just a probably stupid question, but looking at 2 of the > clocks I reference, one is using > 127.127.50.0 SONY IPS-5000 ? > and 127.127.46.0 > > I can't find any reference as to what they are and I am curious! They don't appear to be current standard driver type #s.

Re: [ntp:questions] Second attempt at GPS-18 based NTP server

2012-02-08 Thread David Woolley
David Lord wrote: I've just added the "minpoll 4 maxpoll 4" back to my ntp.conf as it could reduce the 30 usec offset blips I get when logs are rotated. That's almost certainly totally the wrong thing to do. If you have short periods of increased interrupt latency or network latency, you w

Re: [ntp:questions] Second attempt at GPS-18 based NTP server

2012-02-08 Thread Thomas Laus
On 2012-02-02, Paul Duncan wrote: > So, I *think* that everything is okay, and it is using the PPS signal. > There is one slight worry, which is what I see in /var/log/messages: > > Feb 2 09:50:16 tock ntpd[1573]: refclock_nmea: time_pps_kcbind failed: > Operation not supported > > Please note,

Re: [ntp:questions] Second attempt at GPS-18 based NTP server

2012-02-08 Thread David Lord
David J Taylor wrote: On NetBSD-5 with ntpd 4.2.6p5 the default is 64s. I wonder what expertise they have to select polling for reference clocks? BTW: Paul has FreeBSD. I've just added the "minpoll 4 maxpoll 4" back to my ntp.conf as it could reduce the 30 usec offset blips I get when logs

Re: [ntp:questions] Second attempt at GPS-18 based NTP server

2012-02-08 Thread unruh
On 2012-02-02, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, unruh said: >>In the latest linux kernels, the pps option is already included, if >>selected by your distribution. > > I'm using parallel port PPS with Fedora 16. I did the following: As I mentioned, the problem is that parallel ports are b

Re: [ntp:questions] Second attempt at GPS-18 based NTP server

2012-02-08 Thread David Woolley
unruh wrote: The delays from refclocks are almost always all zero. Thus there will be no info in the delay as whther a problem occured. ntpd will simply assume it is as good as any other sample, and use it (the clockfilter uses delays to select samples) Even if all the samples are used, takin

Re: [ntp:questions] Second attempt at GPS-18 based NTP server

2012-02-08 Thread David J Taylor
"unruh" wrote in message news:iezWq.4122$w87.2...@newsfe02.iad... On 2012-02-02, David J Taylor wrote: On NetBSD-5 with ntpd 4.2.6p5 the default is 64s. I wonder what expertise they have to select polling for reference clocks? BTW: Paul has FreeBSD. The reason for longer polling is a) ne

Re: [ntp:questions] Second attempt at GPS-18 based NTP server

2012-02-08 Thread David J Taylor
I've not monitored the temperature but my guess is that the increased load increases the system temperature. I've already observed that slower temperature variations during the day cause an increased offset vs days when temperature is fairly constant. offset is mostly < 5u but there are two blips

Re: [ntp:questions] Programmatically monitoring / controlling NTP service

2012-02-08 Thread Robert Hegner
Thanks for the clarification! :) It would be great to have ntpsvcio publicly available! Robert ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions

Re: [ntp:questions] Second attempt at GPS-18 based NTP server

2012-02-08 Thread David Lord
unruh wrote: On 2012-02-02, David J Taylor wrote: On NetBSD-5 with ntpd 4.2.6p5 the default is 64s. I wonder what expertise they have to select polling for reference clocks? BTW: Paul has FreeBSD. The reason for longer polling is a) network load, and b) rate optimality. If you are running nt

[ntp:questions] ntpd sets system time, won't serve it to others

2012-02-08 Thread J.D. Baldwin
I have a new CentOS server on which I installed ntp. Yes, I opened up iptables to both tcp and udp port 123. It works great to get / keep the system itself synced with correct time, but when others query it, it fails. Ideas appreciated. On CentOS host "chumley": # cat /etc/ntp.conf driftfile

Re: [ntp:questions] Second attempt at GPS-18 based NTP server

2012-02-08 Thread David Lord
David J Taylor wrote: Hello All, I've (temporarily) given up on the idea of using Linux for the OS, and moved to FreeBSD, with the same GPS hardware, using some of the information on this web page: http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/FreeBSD-GPS-PPS.htm ntpq -p now says: remote refi

Re: [ntp:questions] Second attempt at GPS-18 based NTP server

2012-02-08 Thread Thomas Laus
On 2012-02-03, David J Taylor wrote: >> The generic BSD kernel does not enable PPS support by default. You must >> recompile to enable PPS. >> >> >> The page you quoted says the following in the section "System software >> customization" (about 45% down the page in the Software section): >> >>

Re: [ntp:questions] Second attempt at GPS-18 based NTP server

2012-02-08 Thread David J Taylor
I only have a single pc with GPS source and some pcs on lan use that. I also have "tos minsane 3" which means that the single GPS source isn't enough. I've also had GPS blacked out along with MSF, for a few months last year. Previous year and this year there's not been a problem. From my locatio

Re: [ntp:questions] Second attempt at GPS-18 based NTP server

2012-02-08 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, unruh said: >In the latest linux kernels, the pps option is already included, if >selected by your distribution. I'm using parallel port PPS with Fedora 16. I did the following: - put this in /etc/sysconfig/modules/pps.modules (mode 755): #!/bin/sh exec /sbin/modprobe pps

Re: [ntp:questions] Second attempt at GPS-18 based NTP server

2012-02-08 Thread David Lord
unruh wrote: On 2012-02-02, David Lord wrote: unruh wrote: On 2012-02-02, David J Taylor wrote: On NetBSD-5 with ntpd 4.2.6p5 the default is 64s. I wonder what expertise they have to select polling for reference clocks? BTW: Paul has FreeBSD. The reason for longer polling is a) network loa

Re: [ntp:questions] Second attempt at GPS-18 based NTP server

2012-02-08 Thread David J Taylor
On NetBSD-5 with ntpd 4.2.6p5 the default is 64s. I wonder what expertise they have to select polling for reference clocks? BTW: Paul has FreeBSD. I've just added the "minpoll 4 maxpoll 4" back to my ntp.conf as it could reduce the 30 usec offset blips I get when logs are rotated. Agreed.

Re: [ntp:questions] Second attempt at GPS-18 based NTP server

2012-02-08 Thread unruh
On 2012-02-02, David Lord wrote: > unruh wrote: >> On 2012-02-02, David J Taylor wrote: On NetBSD-5 with ntpd 4.2.6p5 the default is 64s. >>> I wonder what expertise they have to select polling for reference clocks? >>> BTW: Paul has FreeBSD. >> >> The reason for longer polling is a) netwo

Re: [ntp:questions] Second attempt at GPS-18 based NTP server

2012-02-08 Thread David Lord
David Woolley wrote: David Lord wrote: I've just added the "minpoll 4 maxpoll 4" back to my ntp.conf as it could reduce the 30 usec offset blips I get when logs are rotated. That's almost certainly totally the wrong thing to do. If you have short periods of increased interrupt latency or n

Re: [ntp:questions] Second attempt at GPS-18 based NTP server

2012-02-08 Thread unruh
On 2012-02-03, David Lord wrote: > David Woolley wrote: >> David Lord wrote: >> >>> >>> I've just added the "minpoll 4 maxpoll 4" back to my ntp.conf >>> as it could reduce the 30 usec offset blips I get when logs are >>> rotated. >> >> That's almost certainly totally the wrong thing to do. If

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd sets system time, won't serve it to others

2012-02-08 Thread David Woolley
J.D. Baldwin wrote: stability=0.000, tai=0 remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter == clock.team-cymr 172.16.65.22 2 u 24 643 47.440 184.516 14.422 pool-test.ntp.o 127.67

Re: [ntp:questions] Second attempt at GPS-18 based NTP server

2012-02-08 Thread David J Taylor
The need to make a custom kernel that includes option PPS_SYNC is still true on the recently released FreeBSD 9.0. Tom Thanks, Tom. I'm not familiar with FreeBSD 8.0, but looking at the revision dates on some files it appears that I /may/ have recompiled the kernel. Difficult for me to tell

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd sets system time, won't serve it to others

2012-02-08 Thread J.D. Baldwin
In the previous article, David Woolley wrote: > Your delays are also high for modern network connections, possibly > reflecting the use of worldwide servers, rather than ones close in > network terms. That's just because I am, for troubleshooting purposes, using the defaults of server 0.cen

Re: [ntp:questions] Second attempt at GPS-18 based NTP server

2012-02-08 Thread David J Taylor
The generic BSD kernel does not enable PPS support by default. You must recompile to enable PPS. The page you quoted says the following in the section "System software customization" (about 45% down the page in the Software section): System software customisation Need to add one line to th

Re: [ntp:questions] Programmatically monitoring / controlling NTP service

2012-02-08 Thread David J Taylor
Hi David, thanks for your link. I will also read your page about your experiences of running NTP on Windows. Looks interesting. My goal is to integrate some monitoring functionality into my own (C#) application. So the more interesting thing for me would be to see how you implemented your moni

Re: [ntp:questions] Programmatically monitoring / controlling NTP service

2012-02-08 Thread Robert Hegner
Hi David, thanks for your link. I will also read your page about your experiences of running NTP on Windows. Looks interesting. My goal is to integrate some monitoring functionality into my own (C#) application. So the more interesting thing for me would be to see how you implemented your monit

Re: [ntp:questions] Programmatically monitoring / controlling NTP service

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Burnicki
Robert, Robert Hegner wrote: Thanks Martin for your reply! I want to monitor/control NTP from C#, which does not support static linking. So I need to create a wrapper (.dll) around libntp anyway. I guess I can make sure in that wrapper dll that only one thread can access only one ntpd at the

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP rejects refclock

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Burnicki
Paul, pc wrote: Martin, Many thanks for your invaluable help/vielen Dank fuer Ihre sehr wertvolle Hilfe! Gern! Great it did indeed help al little bit to get this working. I was unaware of cu, You could use any terminal program, or even run "cat /dev/ttyS0", but the advantage of cu is IMO

Re: [ntp:questions] debugging cronic offset on Windows 2003 client

2012-02-08 Thread David J Taylor
Just deployed the 4.2.4p8 NTP client to 50 Windows 2003 SP2 servers, and all seem to be running fine...except... One or two of the clients develop an offset of about 16 seconds. Restarting the service puts them back in sync with the NTP server, but in a few minutes they're back to the old offs

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP rejects refclock

2012-02-08 Thread pc
On Jan 25, 6:04 pm, unruh wrote: > > >  - The OS (CentOS, which is a close relative of RedHat) deletes > > everything in /dev > >    each time it is booted. Is there some recommended way of setting up > > the link > >    /dev/refclock-0 -> /dev/ttyS0? > > Put in a new rule into udev to tell it to

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP+GPS gone haywire

2012-02-08 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
A C wrote: > I finally rebuilt my NetBSD box after having lost the > partition table on the disk. > I installed 4.2.7-p236 again and everything seemed fine > all day yesterday. Suddenly I get this: >> $ ntpq -pn >> remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter >> ==

Re: [ntp:questions] Kernel PPS programs.

2012-02-08 Thread unruh
On 2012-01-25, Uwe Klein wrote: > unruh wrote: >> On 2012-01-24, DaveB wrote: >> >>>In article , un...@invalid.ca says... >>> >Usually, that sort of hardware has a way to turn off the interrupt. >It's something like you write a bit in a register to "ACK" that >interrupt. When the ex

Re: [ntp:questions] Programmatically monitoring / controlling NTP service

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Burnicki
Robert, Robert Hegner wrote: I'm developing a distributed system where time synchronization is done using NTP. I'd like to give the user the possibility to do some basic monitoring / controlling of all the NTP clients in the system from the main control program. So for example I'd like to sh

Re: [ntp:questions] Programmatically monitoring / controlling NTP service

2012-02-08 Thread David J Taylor
"Robert Hegner" wrote in message news:17823409.1416.1327993666951.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbes1... I'm developing a distributed system where time synchronization is done using NTP. I'd like to give the user the possibility to do some basic monitoring / controlling of all the NTP clients

Re: [ntp:questions] Programmatically monitoring / controlling NTP service

2012-02-08 Thread Robert Hegner
Thanks Martin for your reply! I want to monitor/control NTP from C#, which does not support static linking. So I need to create a wrapper (.dll) around libntp anyway. I guess I can make sure in that wrapper dll that only one thread can access only one ntpd at the same time. My main problem now

[ntp:questions] Programmatically monitoring / controlling NTP service

2012-02-08 Thread Robert Hegner
I'm developing a distributed system where time synchronization is done using NTP. I'd like to give the user the possibility to do some basic monitoring / controlling of all the NTP clients in the system from the main control program. So for example I'd like to show the status of all remote NTP c

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP+GPS gone haywire

2012-02-08 Thread David Lord
A C wrote: I finally rebuilt my NetBSD box after having lost the partition table on the disk. I installed 4.2.7-p236 again and everything seemed fine all day yesterday. Suddenly I get this: $ ntpq -pn remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter ==

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP+GPS gone haywire

2012-02-08 Thread David J Taylor
"A C" wrote in message news:4f2451aa.3060...@acarver.net... I finally rebuilt my NetBSD box after having lost the partition table on the disk. I installed 4.2.7-p236 again and everything seemed fine all day yesterday. Suddenly I get this: $ ntpq -pn remote refid st t wh

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP on Windows Server 2008 R2

2012-02-08 Thread DaveB
In article <1pt2v8-9cg@ubuntu-server-1.py.meinberg.de>, martin.burni...@meinberg.de says... > > Geir, > > Geir Guldstein wrote: > > The driver provides support for serial ports physically located in an > > external device. The device is connected to the host computer using > > Ethernet. I ha

Re: [ntp:questions] Kernel PPS programs.

2012-02-08 Thread Uwe Klein
unruh wrote: On 2012-01-24, DaveB wrote: In article , un...@invalid.ca says... Usually, that sort of hardware has a way to turn off the interrupt. It's something like you write a bit in a register to "ACK" that interrupt. When the external signal turns off, it clears that bit. The info sho

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp-keygen fails to generate MV parameters

2012-02-08 Thread r lumpkin
On Dec 15 2011, 10:48 am, Joe Smithian wrote: > I tried to generate autokey with -V 1 option for MV identity scheme but it > failed as you can see below. > > I tried on two machines, both failed > > ntp-4.2.6p2- on Linux Fedora core 6, kernel 2.6.18-1.2798.fc6 and  CentOs > 5.4 with kernel 2.6.18-

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