Re: [ntp:questions] Meinberg NTP monitor, silly question

2009-12-20 Thread David J Taylor
Device Mangler just reports the standard MS driver for that port, also not reflecting the actual currently in use baud rate settings either, so nothing new there. (I've never yet seen that tool actualy reflect what the actual conditions are, on 2k or XP!) Then the device driver isn't

Re: [ntp:questions] Meinberg NTP monitor, silly question

2009-12-20 Thread David J Taylor
Your confused!... How are you getting to those driver display details? In Win2k, I'm going in via the control panel, system, then device manager. In there, expand the Ports (COM and LPT) selection, select Com2 (the one with the GPS) right click, Properties, Driver, Driver details.

Re: [ntp:questions] Meinberg NTP monitor, silly question

2009-12-20 Thread David J Taylor
Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote in message news:ywn9oclt49tl@ntp1.isc.org... David, Yes, the content could easily be improved. And it's a wiki. I would have a go at that, but as I am uncertain about things myself, it won't be until after those more knowledgeable folk have explained

Re: [ntp:questions] Meinberg NTP monitor, silly question

2009-12-19 Thread David J Taylor
Hi All.. [] Re the status column in the 'NTP Status' tab. [] But what does 'o' mean? o - appears to mean - synced to the atom (PPS) driver, which is filtering the clock from the * source. [] The Application Log shows:- Using user-mode PPS timestamp for GPS_NMEA(2) Not that I think it'll

Re: [ntp:questions] Getting the version string programmatically ...

2009-12-17 Thread David J Taylor
Terje Mathisen terje.mathi...@tmsw.no wrote in message news:a5mdnvwbf93ka7twnz2dnuvz8qxi4...@lyse.net... David J Taylor wrote: The command: ntpq -c rv returns a set of data, including the version of NTP in the format: version=ntpd 4.2.6-o I would like to retrieve the same information

Re: [ntp:questions] Getting the version string programmatically ...

2009-12-17 Thread David J Taylor
Martin Burnicki martin.burni...@meinberg.de wrote in message news:ttopv6-o6q@gateway.py.meinberg.de... [] some time ago one of my colleagues has picked up the source code of ntpq and applied some modifications and extensions so that he could build a DLL which provides the functionality

Re: [ntp:questions] Getting the version string programmatically ...

2009-12-17 Thread David J Taylor
Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote in message news:ywn9iqc5u7ww@ntp1.isc.org... Using 4.2.6, run a tcpdump against the conversation of: ntpq -c 'rv 0 version' Thanks for the suggestion, Harlan. I managed to use Wireshark to do that against: ntpq -c rv which brought me back more

Re: [ntp:questions] Getting the version string programmatically ...

2009-12-17 Thread David J Taylor
Use wireshark again and capture this: ntpq -crv; ntpq -c'rv 0 version' Then compare both request packets. The difference should be obvious. Thanks, Steve. Yes, I already did that, and decided to leave the fuller exchange. I've not had the need to use Wireshark before, and it even worked

[ntp:questions] Getting the version string programmatically ...

2009-12-16 Thread David J Taylor
The command: ntpq -c rv returns a set of data, including the version of NTP in the format: version=ntpd 4.2.6-o I would like to retrieve the same information (just the version field) using a UDP interchange with the server rather than running the ntpq command. Could anyone advise what

Re: [ntp:questions] Packet timestamps when using Windows-7/Vista

2009-12-15 Thread David J Taylor
Martin, I've added a test to my program to see whether the value from GetSystemTimeAsFileTime ever steps backwards, and it hasn't done so in my testing so far. So I remain unsure why, on a system without the interpolation code, I'm seeing the TX time before the RX time. Certainly would

[ntp:questions] OT: high-accuracy atomic clock to be attached outside of the International Space Station

2009-12-15 Thread David J Taylor
...an agreement that paves the way for the launch of a high-accuracy atomic clock to be attached to the outside of the European Columbus laboratory onboard the International Space Station (ISS). See more: http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMRDI9K73G_index_0.html David

Re: [ntp:questions] Packet timestamps when using Windows-7/Vista

2009-12-14 Thread David J Taylor
Martin Burnicki wrote in message news:ipkhv6-f29@gateway.py.meinberg.de... [] The Windows API call used to slew the system time reports a standard tick rate of 15.6001 on a Vista machine here even if the time returned by a loop of GetSystemTimeAsFiletime() calls increments in 1.000 ms

Re: [ntp:questions] Packet timestamps when using Windows-7/Vista

2009-12-14 Thread David J Taylor
Martin Burnicki wrote in message news:ipkhv6-f29@gateway.py.meinberg.de... [] If you send me that program (or a link to it) I can give it a try. Martin Martin, I've just e-mailed: - the program - its source (Delphi 2009) - the results from log_adj on the two PCs in case you can see

Re: [ntp:questions] One last release candidate (in name only) and a new -stable

2009-12-13 Thread David J Taylor
G8KBV g8...@nospam-uko2.co.uk wrote in message news:mpg.258e12bfc938897b989...@news.demon.co.uk... [] Hi David.. OK on all that (4800 bd etc) I too at the moment run NTPD etc on a lightly loaded machine. P4 1G 512Meg, not a lot else running other than the Win 2k system. I've got the reg'

Re: [ntp:questions] Packet timestamps when using Windows-7/Vista

2009-12-12 Thread David J Taylor
Dave Hart wrote in message news:98c443b7-15b4-4472-b985-9c3e99788...@j9g2000prh.googlegroups.com... [] The fact that is working despite the 1ms system clock means I don't understand the breakage as well as I thought, and hints of a possibility interpolation could be made to work on more or

[ntp:questions] Packet timestamps when using Windows-7/Vista

2009-12-11 Thread David J Taylor
Folks, [Posted to NTP Hackers, but no reaction there as yet] I've written a small program which sends some SNTP packets to various NTP servers on my LAN, and looks at the timestamps which the server adds as its RX and TX times. With Windows-7 and Vista I'm seeing some odd results. I'm

Re: [ntp:questions] fixing ntpq billboard's broken t column (bug 1338)

2009-12-11 Thread David J Taylor
Dave Hart wrote in message news:d0a8b639-0e8c-435b-992b-7b91e2d56...@13g2000prl.googlegroups.com... [] If you are using ntpq from a script, please don't scrape the billboard for information. It's designed for human consumption, and ntpq provides all the same information and more via

Re: [ntp:questions] Packet timestamps when using Windows-7/Vista

2009-12-11 Thread David J Taylor
Martin Burnicki martin.burni...@meinberg.de wrote in message news:s9u9v6-gj3@gateway.py.meinberg.de... David, David J Taylor wrote: Folks, [Posted to NTP Hackers, but no reaction there as yet] I've written a small program which sends some SNTP packets to various NTP servers on my

Re: [ntp:questions] Packet timestamps when using Windows-7/Vista

2009-12-11 Thread David J Taylor
Dave Hart daveh...@gmail.com wrote in message news:fef13ab0-a7ca-479b-9f8f-5281fdaf7...@m7g2000prd.googlegroups.com... On Dec 11, 16:26 UTC, David J Taylor wrote: The Windows-7 with the reference clock interests me - it's as if the packet timestamps are being derived in a completely different

Re: [ntp:questions] Packet timestamps when using Windows-7/Vista

2009-12-11 Thread David J Taylor
unruh un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca wrote in message news:slrnhi57dp.iod.un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca... [] And given these results would the advice given by some in this list to go ahead and use Windows as a time server still stand? (Of course it depends on the accuracy required. For 1 sec

Re: [ntp:questions] Packet timestamps when using Windows-7/Vista

2009-12-11 Thread David J Taylor
Martin Burnicki martin.burni...@meinberg.de wrote in message news:s9u9v6-gj3@gateway.py.meinberg.de... [] On the other hand, I've also seen systems where the interpolated time steps back and forth by 1 ms, due to the time passed by Windows to the timer APC callback steppingby 1 ms. I

Re: [ntp:questions] One last release candidate (in name only) and a new -stable

2009-12-09 Thread David J Taylor
Dave Hart wrote in message news:cb83daad-6ea3-43dd-842b-b798ac9a0...@z4g2000prh.googlegroups.com... [] I have uploaded x86 Windows binaries for 4.2.6 to my website. [] Cheers, Dave Hart Thanks for that, Dave. Those binaries are running apparently correctly on the five PCs where I've loaded

Re: [ntp:questions] Win2k3 Server as NTP server?

2009-12-07 Thread David J Taylor
David Woolley da...@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid wrote in message news:hfiddi$qc...@news.eternal-september.org... [] I think he was really asking about the parameters that you log and how you get them from ntpd. He is using ntpq to fetch the offset value. If ntpd is working well, this will be

[ntp:questions] 4.2.5 not as good as 4.2.4 (was: Re: NTP 4.2.5p250-RC Released)

2009-12-07 Thread David J Taylor
New data from a Windows Vista system also shows 4.2.5 as performing worse than 4.2.4: http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/V4.2.4.vs.V4.2.5.html Cheers, David ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org

Re: [ntp:questions] help with setting up NTP on windows with a USB GPS

2009-12-07 Thread David J Taylor
Dave Baxter s...@goes.nowhere.com wrote in message news:mpg.25871af0923a862f989...@news.btopenworld.com... [] Hi again. Well, after spending a lot if time reading (while sniffing) again, and restarting from zero (again!) I seem to have the Meinberg Windows port of NTPD etc working as a

Re: [ntp:questions] Getting the time from NTP (was: Re: help with setting up NTP on windows with a USB GPS)

2009-12-06 Thread David J Taylor
Dave Hart wrote in message news:b51e46f7-4b0d-4d40-a6b2-574d459ba...@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com... [] If we wanted to define a new Windows-only service provided by ntpd, sure, there could be some combination of shared memory and IPC objects like named events used to expose a way for another

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.5p250-RC Released

2009-12-06 Thread David J Taylor
NTP Public Services Project webmas...@ntp.org wrote in message news:mailman.2.1259616688.625.annou...@lists.ntp.org... Redwood City, CA - 2009/11/30 - The NTP Public Services Project (http://support.ntp.org/) is pleased to announce that NTP 4.2.5p250-RC, a Release Candidate of the NTP

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.5p250-RC Released

2009-12-06 Thread David J Taylor
Steve Kostecke wrote in message news:slrnhhnbad.o4k.koste...@stasis.kostecke.net... On 2009-12-06, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: I have chosen not to install it on one other Windows-7 system (Hydra) and the performance of 4.2.5 is rather worse than 4.2.5. ??? See

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.5p250-RC Released

2009-12-06 Thread David J Taylor
Richard B. Gilbert rgilber...@comcast.net wrote in message news:1v6dna7zusjmtobwnz2dnuvz_rwdn...@giganews.com... David J Taylor wrote: Steve Kostecke wrote in message news:slrnhhnbad.o4k.koste...@stasis.kostecke.net... On 2009-12-06, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: I

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.5p250-RC Released

2009-12-06 Thread David J Taylor
Steve Kostecke koste...@ntp.org wrote in message news:slrnhhnlsn.95p.koste...@stasis.kostecke.net... [] 4.2.5 is worse than 4.2.5 ? Well, if you insist, it could have been that 4.2.5p233 was worse than 4.2.5p232 because it failed under strange circumstances with Windows Vista, but as Bill

Re: [ntp:questions] help with setting up NTP on windows with a USB GPS

2009-12-06 Thread David J Taylor
David Woolley da...@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid wrote in message news:hfgvt5$g6...@news.eternal-september.org... David J Taylor wrote: Stated requirement: - around 1 millisecond (on Window 2000 or XP IIRC). Observed performance examples: These don't tell you the jitter due

Re: [ntp:questions] Win2k3 Server as NTP server?

2009-12-06 Thread David J Taylor
Why Tea ytl...@gmail.com wrote in message news:42f094fd-c09f-4e4b-9ee8-ab2b843e1...@k13g2000prh.googlegroups.com... [] 1) Has anybody used Windows 2003 as an ntp server and is happy/unhappy with it? I am happy with Windows 2000 and Windows XP - Windows Server 2003 is a hybrid of those OSes

Re: [ntp:questions] help with setting up NTP on windows with a USB GPS

2009-12-05 Thread David J Taylor
nemo_outis a...@xyz.com wrote in message news:xns9cd8ac8074753pqwer...@69.16.185.250... [] Overkill is bad engineering and bad ethics. Regards, Suggesting that there is no need to install an extra Linux machine if Windows can keep time well enough for the job in hand. Cheers, David

Re: [ntp:questions] help with setting up NTP on windows with a USB GPS

2009-12-04 Thread David J Taylor
Dave Baxter s...@goes.nowhere.com wrote in message news:mpg.2582f2d76a9bb78e989...@news.btopenworld.com... [] Hi... First, thanks for the direct email, I'll look at things in detail again this evening/over the weekend. [] Your sumizing above, is exactly what I'd like to do, idealy all on one

Re: [ntp:questions] help with setting up NTP on windows with a USB GPS

2009-12-04 Thread David J Taylor
unruh un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca wrote in message news:slrnhhilur.scb.un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca... [] Please, do not use a Windows box as your main server. get a cheap ( your local flea market should have one for $50) computer, install linux or freebsd, purely for running ntp on it, and

Re: [ntp:questions] help with setting up NTP on windows with a USB GPS

2009-12-04 Thread David J Taylor
jack wrote in message news:edbf7025-8578-48f5-b714-3a06b5c3c...@c34g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... David, I totally agree with you. My main application runs on Windows for various reasons (cheap hardware for one) and had been using PCI IRIG board to keep time. I was not merely looking for a

Re: [ntp:questions] help with setting up NTP on windows with a USB GPS

2009-12-03 Thread David J Taylor
Dave Baxter s...@goes.nowhere.com wrote in message news:mpg.2581b3818527b329989...@news.btopenworld.com... [] Hi.. Back after getting diverted by my central heating system going on the blink... Re Faros. Good question, well presented, unknown (exactly) at this time! It does run it's

Re: [ntp:questions] help with setting up NTP on windows with a USB GPS

2009-12-02 Thread David J Taylor
David, I got this going and everything is working well. However, comparing NTP time to an IRIG board time with a GPS antenna, I see a difference of 100ms. Not sure where this came from. Jack Good question! What is the pulse-length of your GPS PPS, and to which edge is NTP syncing?

Re: [ntp:questions] Win2k3 Server as NTP server?

2009-12-02 Thread David J Taylor
Why Tea wrote in message news:e8c2bbf4-c637-4ea7-bb06-33e44da1f...@z4g2000prh.googlegroups.com... Can Windows 2003 server be used as an NTP server within an organization? The info from Wikipedia seems to suggest NO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Time_Protocol). Did anybody have any

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.5p250-RC Released

2009-12-01 Thread David J Taylor
Redwood City, CA - 2009/11/30 - The NTP Public Services Project (http://support.ntp.org/) is pleased to announce that NTP 4.2.5p250-RC, a Release Candidate of the NTP Reference Implementation from the NTP Project, is now available at http://www.ntp.org/downloads.html and

Re: [ntp:questions] help with setting up NTP on windows with a USB GPS

2009-12-01 Thread David J Taylor
Dave Baxter g8...@nospam.uko2.co.uk wrote in message news:mpg.257f313bfbd49ce989...@news.demon.co.uk... [] Is there a blow by blow (with screenshots?) description as to how to put all this together anywhere? David Taylor's site gets close, but I suffer informaion overload after a while.

Re: [ntp:questions] help with setting up NTP on windows with a USB GPS

2009-12-01 Thread David J Taylor
Dave Baxter g8...@nospam.uko2.co.uk wrote in message news:mpg.257f2d55775bad5a989...@news.demon.co.uk... [] Hi David... I'll put the BSOD details in another post, beneath David Harts post, to keep the tree branches sane... You did help me out a while back, by pointing me at the exact same

Re: [ntp:questions] help with setting up NTP on windows with a USB GPS

2009-12-01 Thread David J Taylor
jack wrote in message news:72491452-f89d-454b-8bcc-f945c8259...@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com... David, I would like to add that, from my own experiences, the GPS has to be configured to output $GPRMC sentences only. Otherwise the PPS part of NTP doesn't work. Good point - added. I have a

Re: [ntp:questions] help with setting up NTP on windows with a USB GPS

2009-12-01 Thread David J Taylor
David, I looked at timeGetTime() and I found it only gives out relative time (since Windows was started). Is it possible to query NTP server to get an accurate starting time? jack As Dave Hart says, you would need to do a network transfer to get the time from NTP - that's a bit of a pain

Re: [ntp:questions] help with setting up NTP on windows with a USB GPS

2009-11-30 Thread David J Taylor
Internal serial cards seem like an inexpensive way to add a serial port for a GPS connection - do people use them for NTP? e.g. StarTech.com 1 port Native PCI Express RS232 Serial Adapter Card with 16550 UART - Serial adapter - PCI Express x1 - RS-232 Manufacturer Part : PEX1S552 Dell

Re: [ntp:questions] help with setting up NTP on windows with a USB GPS

2009-11-30 Thread David J Taylor
Dave Baxter g8...@uko2.co.uk wrote in message news:mpg.257e5228127dac81989...@news.demon.co.uk... [] Hi. I'm also trying to get this working, haveing failed miserably with the FreeBSD system (it would never seem to respond to the GPS, and as I don't know squat about 'BSD, decided to revert

Re: [ntp:questions] help with setting up NTP on windows with a USB GPS

2009-11-27 Thread David J Taylor
Just to let everyone know that the u-blox GPS works well now. The offset is 0.02ms with jitter at 0.002ms. My other GPS with only USB out has an offset of 5ms and jitter of 2.5ms. Jack Good news, Jack. For comparison, my own tests with a serial to USB converter (Sitecom) which did include

Re: [ntp:questions] help with setting up NTP on windows with a USB GPS

2009-11-27 Thread David J Taylor
jack wrote in message news:484bcf3e-dde5-4978-966d-5637918c9...@l35g2000vba.googlegroups.com... David, Would you mind looking up the model number of the Sitecom serial to USB converter that has the DCD line? I am very interested in a solution like that. Jack Jack, the convertor I had was

Re: [ntp:questions] help with setting up NTP on windows with a USB GPS

2009-11-27 Thread David J Taylor
Unruh unruh-s...@physics.ubc.ca wrote in message news:e5_pm.33822$cd7.2...@newsfe04.iad... [] I think you mean 10s of msec to 1s of microseconds. If you do not need it, certainly using a separate computer would be overkill. If you need it, then presumably you have to factor in the costs and

Re: [ntp:questions] Problem with system clock refresh

2009-11-26 Thread David J Taylor
Martin Burnicki wrote in message news:em22u6-ruq@gateway.py.meinberg.de... [] From the original question I'd understand that Juan expected the system time to be *set* once after each poll in 5 minute intervals. Of course ntpd doesn't work this way, but if you force the minpoll value

Re: [ntp:questions] Problem with system clock refresh

2009-11-26 Thread David J Taylor
Martin Burnicki martin.burni...@meinberg.de wrote in message news:9732u6-r9s@gateway.py.meinberg.de... [] Please remember PPS support under Windows is only available in current development versions which will becomt the next release soon. However, ntpd v4.2.4p7 which is still the current

Re: [ntp:questions] help with setting up NTP on windows with a USB GPS

2009-11-26 Thread David J Taylor
jack j.jack.w...@gmail.com wrote in message news:54ad71bf-d76a-47c1-a0b7-df492d9ed...@m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... Hi all, I am trying to setup NTP on Windows XP with a USB GPS at COM1. I can verify that the GPS is outputing $GPRMC strings at 1Hz with some other strings occasionally (eg

Re: [ntp:questions] help with setting up NTP on windows with a USB GPS

2009-11-26 Thread David J Taylor
jack wrote in message news:c9339bbd-a773-44dc-92af-261308e3e...@31g2000vbf.googlegroups.com... David, I read instructions on your web site especially the section on USB GPS receivers. Version 4.2.4 dated March 15 2009 is the latest on Dave Hart's website. Why do you get 4.2.5 from? jack

Re: [ntp:questions] help with setting up NTP on windows with a USB GPS

2009-11-26 Thread David J Taylor
jack wrote in message news:7a8980f8-5cbc-4100-9d84-2d5e2a93c...@e27g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... David, I switched to a machine with an RS232 port and also found version 4.2.5. NTP now opens port COM1 with no problem. However, status shows that it doesn't seem to be reading from GPS since

Re: [ntp:questions] help with setting up NTP on windows with a USB GPS

2009-11-26 Thread David J Taylor
David Woolley da...@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid wrote in message news:hen3cv$ni...@news.eternal-september.org... jack wrote: I am trying to setup NTP on Windows XP with a USB GPS at COM1. I can You are making life difficult. Without PPS, GPS has poor accuracy, and potentially high jitter.

Re: [ntp:questions] help with setting up NTP on windows with a USB GPS

2009-11-26 Thread David J Taylor
jack wrote in message news:9db25657-9837-4ebe-ab32-ce15ae968...@j35g2000vbl.googlegroups.com... David, I only have the following in the configure file: server 127.127.20.1 minpoll 4 prefer I found the following entry in the log file: Using user-mode PPS timestamp Does it mean NTP

Re: [ntp:questions] Problem with system clock refresh

2009-11-24 Thread David J Taylor
JuanFran juanfranciscoj...@gmail.com wrote in message news:6a4e421a-318b-4fa1-9105-6ef77a861...@p19g2000vbq.googlegroups.com... [] Hi! My system should be accurate to within approximately 10 milliseconds .I think forcing upgrade all computers in my LAN at the beginning should be enough. Thank

Re: [ntp:questions] Problem with system clock refresh

2009-11-23 Thread David J Taylor
JuanFran juanfranciscoj...@gmail.com wrote in message news:d693971e-be41-4a9b-9926-ed4a04f5b...@j9g2000vbp.googlegroups.com... Good mornig. I have a trouble with NTP. I want a refresh my sistem clock (client) with a LAN Server each 5 minutes. I don’t know any parameter of NTP protocol for this

Re: [ntp:questions] Problem with system clock refresh

2009-11-23 Thread David J Taylor
JuanFran juanfranciscoj...@gmail.com wrote in message news:a26c31ce-d0bc-4fa2-a93b-d6c663a94...@j9g2000vbp.googlegroups.com... [] Hello! I work in a project that it need synchronize a LAN for collect data and images in real time. I need a lot of precision in the synchronization of all

Re: [ntp:questions] 500ppm - is it too small?

2009-11-12 Thread David J Taylor
Ulrich Windl ulrich.wi...@rz.uni-regensburg.de wrote in message news:874op0szuz@pc9454.klinik.uni-regensburg.de... David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.not-this-part.nor-this.co.uk.invalid writes: [...] Ulrich, So machine running other than Windows don't suspend? In any case

Re: [ntp:questions] Tool to sample/monitor an NTP server?

2009-11-10 Thread David J Taylor
My problem is a client with several systems using a single GPS-based NTP server. [] What I want is a client to poll the NTP server (say once per second) and log the time received. A simple perl script can then look for any large jumps in the recorded time. This will tell me if the NTP server

Re: [ntp:questions] Keeping NTP Honest Redux

2009-11-10 Thread David J Taylor
David Woolley wrote in message news:hda3tb$j1...@news.eternal-september.org... [] Looking at the graphs, one needs the first derivative of the rate, as well. Loopstats are available here: http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/NTP-on-Windows-serial-port.html#loopstats Cheers, David

Re: [ntp:questions] Keeping NTP Honest Redux

2009-11-09 Thread David J Taylor
David Woolley da...@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid wrote in message news:hd8j1u$ou...@news.eternal-september.org... David J Taylor wrote: http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/performance_narvik.php How much of that offset do you attribute to actual clock error? If most of it, that graph makes a strong

Re: [ntp:questions] Keeping NTP Honest Redux

2009-11-09 Thread David J Taylor
Unruh unruh-s...@physics.ubc.ca wrote in message news:6gujm.51215$db2.19...@edtnps83... [] a) This is windows. .. and so more of a challenge to get good timekeeping. b) Except for the abberation at 12, the offset seems to track the disk temp. However, it is not the offset which is

Re: [ntp:questions] Keeping NTP Honest Redux

2009-11-08 Thread David J Taylor
Hal Murray wrote in message news:v72dnrrfbauf8wvxnz2dnuvz_t5i4...@megapath.net... NTPD is at its best from about 2300 local time to 0700 local time. The net quiets down and NTP packets travel with minimal and highly predictable delays. Except at 3 AM when the cron jobs go off and warm up the

Re: [ntp:questions] Keeping NTP Honest Redux

2009-11-08 Thread David J Taylor
Unruh unruh-s...@physics.ubc.ca wrote in message news:6mkjm.51168$db2.25...@edtnps83... David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.not-this-bit.nor-this.co.uk.invalid writes: Hal Murray wrote in message news:v72dnrrfbauf8wvxnz2dnuvz_t5i4...@megapath.net... NTPD is at its best from about 2300

Re: [ntp:questions] Keeping NTP Honest Redux

2009-11-07 Thread David J Taylor
Evandro Menezes evan...@mailinator.com wrote in message news:d9a76148-a9c9-45d5-ac72-4e7588c61...@m7g2000prd.googlegroups.com... I've come to the conclusion that since NTP doesn't correct for temperature variations, it's long-term compensation is counter- productive. Therefore, instead of

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP absolute accuracy?

2009-11-02 Thread David J Taylor
David Woolley wrote in message news:hcnjt3$bq...@news.eternal-september.org... [] This is a simple AM detector for the slow code (I don't know if the fast code is still transmitted). It doesn't phase lock onto the carrier. The fast code stopped many years ago. October 1998 according to:

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP absolute accuracy?

2009-11-02 Thread David J Taylor
Unruh unruh-s...@physics.ubc.ca wrote in message news:fgmhm.50325$db2.6...@edtnps83... [] This is of course all made totally redundant by the GPS time delivery-- even makes up for the transmission delay. It begins to look like like Morse code in the days of cell phones. Quaint, but not really

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP absolute accuracy?

2009-11-01 Thread David J Taylor
Unruh wrote in message news:rl5hm.50089$db2.40...@edtnps83... [] As I tried to emphasise, if the round trip is not symmetric, then neither ntp not chrony can compensate for that lack of symmetry, and the absolute time will be out. If occasionally it has an assymetric round trip, then ntp

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP absolute accuracy?

2009-11-01 Thread David J Taylor
Unruh wrote in message news:vcjhm.50153$db2.9...@edtnps83... [] UK 60KHz radio time signal. Ah, OK. Its accuracy is probably not much better than a few msec I assume. GPS is a few usec. Since the network gives accuracies of better than a few ms, MSF is not a good way of testing the

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP absolute accuracy?

2009-10-31 Thread David J Taylor
Unruh wrote in message news:34jgm.50898$ph1.36...@edtnps82... [] Note that chrony will give you a factor of 2 or three improvement over ntp in the errors, assuming that the roundtrip is equally split on Linux or BSD. For those without wide-bandwidth academic connections - those folks on

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP absolute accuracy?

2009-10-31 Thread David J Taylor
David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.not-this-bit.nor-this.co.uk.invalid wrote in message news:%xqgm.126$ym4...@text.news.virginmedia.com... Unruh wrote in message news:34jgm.50898$ph1.36...@edtnps82... [] Note that chrony will give you a factor of 2 or three improvement over ntp

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP absolute accuracy?

2009-10-31 Thread David J Taylor
Unruh unruh-s...@physics.ubc.ca wrote in message news:qg_gm.50009$db2.46...@edtnps83... David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.not-this-bit.nor-this.co.uk.invalid writes: David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.not-this-bit.nor-this.co.uk.invalid wrote in message news:%xqgm.126$ym4

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP absolute accuracy?

2009-10-31 Thread David J Taylor
David J Taylor writes: On consumer-grade circuits the assumption about equal round trip is unlikely to be valid. Why would you expect the asymmetry to be worse there than elsewhere? -- John Hasler It's just an impression I had - that consumers get the worst latency and most overloaded

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP absolute accuracy?

2009-10-31 Thread David J Taylor
Unruh wrote in message news:kx%gm.50022$db2.12...@edtnps83... [] As I said, chrony does a linear regression on the last n offsets. [] Bill, I think we have seen these remarks about chrony before. What I was wanting was a yes/no answer (although numbers would be nice) to the question: - is

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.5p239-RC Released

2009-10-30 Thread David J Taylor
David Woolley da...@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid wrote in message news:hce9je$n4...@news.eternal-september.org... Could I suggest limiting release candidates to one a week. Very few people will have time to deal with them in less than about a week. I'd deduce from the large number of recent

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.5p239-RC Released

2009-10-30 Thread David J Taylor
E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists n...@blacklist.anitech-systems.invalid wrote in message news:hcf9cc$24...@news.eternal-september.org... David J Taylor wrote: perhaps those who don't want to keep them can use the Delete key? ^W ^W Kill File Or whatever. Some

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp.cs.mu.oz.au going away - 2010-01-01

2009-10-29 Thread David J Taylor
Unruh wrote in message news:x06gm.50657$ph1.37...@edtnps82... [] In case someone else is reading this and had an interest in setting up a stratum 1 server, there are off the shelf solutions. The cheapest is a Gamin 18xLVC GPS receiver, some wiring (soldering in a usb connector and a serial

Re: [ntp:questions] suggestion

2009-10-26 Thread David J Taylor
gizero wrote in message news:15ced803-8cfb-43f0-8d6a-e700f3b1b...@p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com... Hi group users, I'm writing this, since I am extremely confused about how to configure network time sync for an embedded system I'm working on. Possible time sources for the box are: 1.

[ntp:questions] GPS 18x LVC and USB hardware interface details....

2009-10-24 Thread David J Taylor
Folks, Although it's relatively simple, I've added details about how I use a Garmin GPX 18x LVC puck directly with the serial port on a PC, and take the power from a spare USB port. I built a pulse-per-second (PPS) indicator into the serial port connector so that operation can be confirmed

Re: [ntp:questions] OT: GPS18x LVC failure

2009-10-19 Thread David J Taylor
Hal Murray wrote in message news:fjodnd_xpmky0enxnz2dnuvz_jfi4...@megapath.net... Thanks, Hal. Perhaps I should have been a little more patient! G I wonder what version of the firmware your unit had? $PGRMT,GPS 18x-LVC software ver. 2.50*68 It was an early one. It also seems to

[ntp:questions] GPS jamming exercise - at sea, off North England, UK

2009-10-15 Thread David J Taylor
As I haven't yet seen this on the group: __ The MoD has informed Ofcom of the following GPS jamming exercise: Dates: 30 November to 4 December 2009. Times: Up to two one-hour slots per day between 10:00hrs and 16:00hrs. Location: Within an

Re: [ntp:questions] OT: GPS18x LVC failure

2009-10-13 Thread David J Taylor
Rick Jones wrote in message news:hb06gb$dq...@usenet01.boi.hp.com... [] ftp://ftp.cup.hp.com/dist/networking/briefs/nic_latency_vs_tput.txt is an old writeup, but it should give the gist of it. Thanks for posting that, Rick, it gave me cause for thought. (In particular, how Windows Vista /

Re: [ntp:questions] OT: GPS18x LVC failure

2009-10-13 Thread David J Taylor
Hal Murray wrote in message news:toqdnqikxlyfoe7xnz2dnuvz_vwdn...@megapath.net... My GPS18x LVC stopped working a couple of days ago. There appears to +5V going into the unit, and the serial output is stuck around -5V with no signs of data on the 'scope. Garmin have accepted the unit back

Re: [ntp:questions] 1Gb/s network issues - was: Re: OT: GPS18x LVC failure

2009-10-13 Thread David J Taylor
Kasper Pedersen wrote in message news:4ad360ef$0$36567$edfad...@dtext01.news.tele.dk... [] I built a device that spits out priority tagged ethernet frames with 200ns error to UTC, and did a number of tests with different networks and nics, the result of which is in a table here:

Re: [ntp:questions] OT: GPS18x LVC failure

2009-10-12 Thread David J Taylor
Unruh unruh-s...@physics.ubc.ca wrote in message news:ttqam.47651$db2.44...@edtnps83... [] USB only has one data line. It cannot do a DCD line except as another bit of serial data, interleaved with all the other serial data. Ie, you are not going to get any good signals for an interrupt.

Re: [ntp:questions] OT: GPS18x LVC failure

2009-10-12 Thread David J Taylor
David Lord wrote in message news:7jen4sf32s09...@mid.individual.net... [] The pps via usb doesn't work with NetBSD. That is I believe lack of hardware interrupt capability via usb. Possibly latest development pps might work from usb on Linux. It certainly works on Windows. Is that because

[ntp:questions] 1Gb/s network issues - was: Re: OT: GPS18x LVC failure

2009-10-12 Thread David J Taylor
Unruh unruh-s...@physics.ubc.ca wrote in message news:qsbam.47742$db2.29...@edtnps83... [] Actually those Gb ethernet switches seems to have some really bad and variable latencies. My system, before they installed Gb switches, had a consistant roundtrip of 140 usec and gave better than

Re: [ntp:questions] OT: GPS18x LVC failure

2009-10-12 Thread David J Taylor
David Lord wrote in message news:7jgd8of35kvm...@mid.individual.net... David J Taylor wrote: [] If the Garmin can deliver +/-5V, it should certainly drive almost any reasonable RS-232 port. It sounds as if your USB converter has a lower I doubt now that I tried with the Garmin

Re: [ntp:questions] OT: GPS18x LVC failure

2009-10-12 Thread David J Taylor
Unruh unruh-s...@physics.ubc.ca wrote in message news:bgjam.47783$db2.3...@edtnps83... [] Run the pps into the printer port interrupt instead. I think the interrupt handler is better anyway. (Of course if you have no parallel port this is difficult) Better? What OS? David

Re: [ntp:questions] 1Gb/s network issues - was: Re: OT: GPS18x LVC failure

2009-10-12 Thread David J Taylor
Unruh unruh-s...@physics.ubc.ca wrote in message news:fhjam.47784$db2.22...@edtnps83... [] Most interesting, Bill. Mine is a relatively cheap and cheerful device from Netgear (GS608): http://www.netgear.co.uk/ethernet_network_switch_gs605.php so whether being very simple and unmanaged is

[ntp:questions] OT: GPS18x LVC failure

2009-10-11 Thread David J Taylor
OT: GPS18x LVC failure My GPS18x LVC stopped working a couple of days ago. There appears to +5V going into the unit, and the serial output is stuck around -5V with no signs of data on the 'scope. Garmin have accepted the unit back for checking, but I wondered whether anyone else had seen a

Re: [ntp:questions] OT: GPS18x LVC failure

2009-10-11 Thread David J Taylor
David Lord wrote in message news:7jdsolf35hh6...@mid.individual.net... [] Did you try an additional pullup to +5V just in case it's was internal one that's blown. David No, I didn't, David. As the item was about 5 months old, I just carried out the basic tests and then contacted Garmin.

Re: [ntp:questions] OT: GPS18x LVC failure

2009-10-11 Thread David J Taylor
news.inet.tele.dk s...@kasperkp.dk wrote in message news:4ad1b84c$0$36560$edfad...@dtext01.news.tele.dk... [] I have had two failures on 18x-LVC with fw 3.00. Both died on the night to 2009.07.03, sitting on the same windowsill. They were on separate supplies and pieces of equipment. Neither

Re: [ntp:questions] OT: GPS18x LVC failure

2009-10-11 Thread David J Taylor
Kasper Pedersen s...@kasperkp.dk wrote in message news:4ad1d1f5$0$36568$edfad...@dtext01.news.tele.dk... [] The top dome has two onion rings, the outer being 1mm larger than the base. The base is a plastic cup, with a groove in the edge, and a rubber overmold. The top's inner ring fits in

Re: [ntp:questions] OT: GPS18x LVC failure

2009-10-11 Thread David J Taylor
Uwe Klein wrote in message news:1df9q6-or4@klein-habertwedt.de... David J Taylor wrote: Inconsistent with the technical specification, which says 0..+5V, but consistent with what I measured. Hmm, RS232 line idle is TX active/high. TX being inverted that tranlates to nominally -12V

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.5p230-RC Released

2009-10-10 Thread David J Taylor
Steve Kostecke koste...@ntp.org wrote in message news:slrnhd02in.agj.koste...@stasis.kostecke.net... On 2009-10-10, NTP Public Services Project webmas...@ntp.org wrote: Redwood City, CA - 2009/10/09 - The NTP Public Services Project (http://support.ntp.org/) is pleased to announce that NTP

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.5p230-RC Released

2009-10-10 Thread David J Taylor
Dave Hart wrote in message news:6a9bac84-6fc0-4e3c-8431-efcd3ed96...@f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com... [] I've posted 4.2.5p231-RC binaries on: http://www.davehart.net/ntp/win/x86/ They're built with Visual C++ 2008 and have two known limitations: They will not load on Windows NT 4.0 and

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.5p230-RC Released

2009-10-10 Thread David J Taylor
Dave Hart wrote in message news:6a9bac84-6fc0-4e3c-8431-efcd3ed96...@f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com... [] I've posted 4.2.5p231-RC binaries on: http://www.davehart.net/ntp/win/x86/ They're built with Visual C++ 2008 and have two known limitations: They will not load on Windows NT 4.0 and

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