Re: [RBW] Nitto Touring Bar on Atlantis - First impressions...

2011-06-07 Thread James Warren
I dropped it off on April 6th or so, and I think it will be ready this week or next. I'm getting a kickstand plate added, mini-rack braze-ons front and rear, and the front rack mounts on the fork crown. It's my 2001 Atlantis's 10th Anniversery Upgrade. -Jim W. On Jun 7, 2011, at 10:22 PM, R

Re: [RBW] Nitto Touring Bar on Atlantis - First impressions...

2011-06-07 Thread Rene Sterental
That's a good eye! I requested all the mounts on my Atlantis fork that I had on the Bombadil fork when I ordered it. How long is it taking to have yours repainted and the brazeons added? Rene Sent from my iPhone 4 On Jun 7, 2011, at 10:16 PM, James Warren wrote: > > I notice something interes

Re: [RBW] Nitto Touring Bar on Atlantis - First impressions...

2011-06-07 Thread James Warren
I notice something interesting on the fork crown of Rene's Atlantis. It makes the bike look more like The Bomb. And it makes me feel more excited about my decision to have the mounts added to the crown of my own Atlantis that is out for repaint and that I'm eagerly awaiting. -Jim W. On Jun 7

[RBW] Re: [BOB] Why Freewheels? WAS: Experiments in Rolling Resistance and Low Speed Stability

2011-06-07 Thread Jim Cloud
I've never ridden a bike that wasn't equipped with anything other than a freewheel. Given that fact, I'd have to say if I was purchasing a new Rivendell, or whatever, today it would be fitted with a cassette hub. The freewheels that I'm presently using are all either SunTour Winner Pro or Sachs a

Re: [RBW] Nitto Touring Bar on Atlantis - First impressions...

2011-06-07 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 12:59 AM, Rene Sterental wrote: > - Standing on the pedals to climb makes it very easy to hit the bar with the > legs, but it's easy to get around it by slightly turning the body when > "dancing" on the pedals instead of pushing the bike sideways. I only do it > for short st

[RBW] Nitto Touring Bar on Atlantis - First impressions...

2011-06-07 Thread Rene Sterental
I just installed the Nitto Touring Bar aka Butterfly or Trekking bar on my Atlantis and rode it for the first time today on my Bike/Caltrain commute to work. I'm trying to find a bar that will allow me to ride comfortably with no neck pain and after having used the 48cm Noodles, Albatross and the M

[RBW] Re: FS: Touring Gear

2011-06-07 Thread canali
interested in the front rollers...colour...condition? joe jwcoll...@hotmail.com Tim Smith wrote: > Well, I couldn't sell my 59cm custom. So I'm offering the touring > accessories that I was planning to sell with it separately. This is > (deluxe!) gear that I've bought in the past 7 or so years, bu

Re: [RBW] FS: Touring Gear

2011-06-07 Thread robert mcandrews
Hi, Tim- I'll be happy to take the berthoud bag, rack and decaleur for 170. Been looking for such a etup for my ebisu. Let me know about payment- paypal ok? Thanks- Robert McAndrews On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Tim Smith wrote: > Well, I couldn't sell my 59cm custom. So I'm offering the t

[RBW] Re: Double Top Tube Sam Hillborne

2011-06-07 Thread Bill M.
The top tube is loaded in more than just compression. Back in the '80's a Caltrans engineer named Rick Jorgensen did some FIA on frames, and determined that the top tube is loaded in torsion. Imagine removing the down tube from a frame. The force of pedaling would make the seat tube want to defl

Re: [RBW] Re: So Cal July 10 - Three Speed "River and Sea" ride

2011-06-07 Thread cyclotourist
Who is this "Andy" person, anyway...? On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Andy.M wrote: > Ill be in town that weekendnow which bike to bring... hmm > -Andy > On Jun 7, 3:24 pm, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" > wrote: > > Good times are heading your way, people. Noel (who does know how to > > pos

[RBW] Re: So Cal July 10 - Three Speed "River and Sea" ride

2011-06-07 Thread Andy.M
Ill be in town that weekendnow which bike to bring... hmm -Andy On Jun 7, 3:24 pm, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" wrote: > Good times are heading your way, people.  Noel (who does know how to > post to this group BTW)  is putting together a real nice ride.  35 > miles through coastal Orange Coun

[RBW] OT: Road Conditions near Tahoe

2011-06-07 Thread erik jensen
I'm wondering if anyone can comment on the condition of soda springs rd from soda springs down to foresthill/mosquito ridge area. I'm hoping to ride this with a few folks the weekend after next, and all the reports I can get are fairly spotty. Any local knowledge would be much appreciated. Thanks!

[RBW] So Cal July 10 - Three Speed "River and Sea" ride

2011-06-07 Thread cyclotour...@gmail.com
Good times are heading your way, people. Noel (who does know how to post to this group BTW) is putting together a real nice ride. 35 miles through coastal Orange County. Should be a perfect route. Conversation here on the flickr: http://www.flickr.mud.yahoo.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_a

[RBW] Re: Double Top Tube Sam Hillborne

2011-06-07 Thread cm
As people have pointed out, there are valid reasons for wanting the undertube and there are valid reasons for not wanting the undertube. I think it basically comes down to this: If you like it, get it and if you don't like it, don't get it. That may sound too simple but you are one who is going to

Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] Why Freewheels? WAS: Experiments in Rolling Resistance and Low Speed Stability

2011-06-07 Thread tarik saleh
THis is a pretty funny conversation all out. I think the big difference (for me) is between using quill stems and freewheel hubs on brand new bikes. I don't get it at all. Even worse (to me) is speccing quills and freewheel hubs on a new bike. Outside of this, I get it, have fun riding. Inside of

Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] Why Freewheels? WAS: Experiments in Rolling Resistance and Low Speed Stability

2011-06-07 Thread james black
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 13:52, Steve Palincsar wrote: > If gearing choices don't matter to you, fine; and if you happen to be a > real genuine fan of 14-28 Alpine, then God bless you - some long > winter's evening maybe you can explain to me how the shifting pattern > works, and who knows, long abo

Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] Why Freewheels? WAS: Experiments in Rolling Resistance and Low Speed Stability

2011-06-07 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 13:29 -0700, james black wrote: > > I see the freewheel system as analogous to the quill stem - > technological improvements have supplanted it in the mainstream > market, but not rendered it worthless or any less useful than it was > 20 years ago. Except that with stems it'

[RBW] Re: [BOB] Why Freewheels? WAS: Experiments in Rolling Resistance and Low Speed Stability

2011-06-07 Thread james black
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 12:34, John Vu wrote: > I love my freewheel stuff but I'm not sure you can really say it's > cheaper to use them. I don't think I can claim it's cheaper to use freewheels, but it can be cheap. The last wheelset I built last year was on a NOS pair of Sunshine high-flange hub

[RBW] Re: FS Big Apple Liteskin 26x2.35

2011-06-07 Thread stevep33
Sold On Jun 7, 9:20 am, stevep33 wrote: > Big Apple Liteskin 26x 2.35.  Set of 2 tires. > > These are the Big Apples with the lighter casing, so they weigh less > and roll really well. > They are lightly used with about 75 road/path miles.  The tread is in > great shape - the little rubber whisps

[RBW] inspirational wheelchairs: RBW charity

2011-06-07 Thread LF
RBW is now supporting two charities: The Fistula Foundation & Whirlwind Wheelchair. I work in a rehabilitation hospital, and have observed the relatively poor technology and repairability of our wheelchairs. I find Whirlwind Wheelchairs inspirational, from social and a technological perspectiv

[RBW] FS: Touring Gear

2011-06-07 Thread Tim Smith
Well, I couldn't sell my 59cm custom. So I'm offering the touring accessories that I was planning to sell with it separately. This is (deluxe!) gear that I've bought in the past 7 or so years, but for one reason or another never used on a tour. That is, the stuff may be used in the sense that it ha

[RBW] Re: Double Top Tube Sam Hillborne

2011-06-07 Thread Phil Brown
The double top tube isn't really necessary. I once made a standard tube bike with a very light top tube as an experiment. I'm 6'3" and weighed at the time 210 and I could notice no difference from my other bikes with the same geometry and heavier top tubes. It's loaded in compression and doesn't

[RBW] Re: Why Freewheels? WAS: Experiments in Rolling Resistance and Low Speed Stability

2011-06-07 Thread Minh
Man i think i'm freaked out enough now by these IRD failures that i need to swap out the one that i have on my SH before my next camping trip... On Jun 7, 12:47 pm, james black wrote: > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 03:35, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 20:43 -0700, james black wrote:

Re: [RBW] FOR TRADE items: Nitto, Grand Bois, Salsa, Topeak WTB: GB Rando bars

2011-06-07 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Rod: I may be interested in the Woodchippers. I have a 46 cm Noodle. How do they compare with the Bell Laps, do you know? On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Rod C wrote: > Hello RBW group, > > I am on the search for some comfortable handlebars.  I've been running > Nitto Classic B115's and briefly

[RBW] Re: [BOB] Why Freewheels? WAS: Experiments in Rolling Resistance and Low Speed Stability

2011-06-07 Thread james black
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 03:35, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 20:43 -0700, james black wrote: >> Why must we dump our freewheels, a technology which in my experience >> has always performed flawlessly as intended, just because freehubs >> make for better engineering? > > One reason

[RBW] FOR TRADE items: Nitto, Grand Bois, Salsa, Topeak WTB: GB Rando bars

2011-06-07 Thread Rod C
Hello RBW group, I am on the search for some comfortable handlebars. I've been running Nitto Classic B115's and briefly tried Salsa Moto Ace Woodchippers. They are both available for sale or trade. I am looking to trade for or buy a pair of Grand Bois Randonneur bars in good condition OR a pair

[RBW] Re: Double Top Tube Sam Hillborne

2011-06-07 Thread Scotty
I dont know if it should be, but it actually was a deal breaker for me. I ordered my bike in April and when I called it was my intention to get a 56 Sam. I had it all speced out and when I was told that they were going to have double top tubes, coupled with the fact that they would not take canti b

[RBW] Re: Double Top Tube Sam Hillborne

2011-06-07 Thread Tony Lockhart
Deal-breaker? No way. While the undertube may look a bit out of place, I see it as an opportunity to admire some of those pretty lugs. And you've got more of that sparkly orange paint to admire. But, to play devil's advocate: I have a 56cm Tiawanese Sam and am 195 pounds. Aside from frame flex dur

[RBW] Re: can anyone relate--getting older (50) and back into cycling: finding drops not so easy...

2011-06-07 Thread Mike S
Actually a major strike against drops for me is that there isn't enough reach in the flat position. I prefer the extension moustache bars allow in the hood position. I also needed the dirtdrop stem to get my bars high enough (b/c I maybe should've gotten a 66 instead of 64 frame), and I find the mo

[RBW] FS: Nitto Noodles (48cm), Technomic Deluxe stem (10 cm), Cane Creek brake levers

2011-06-07 Thread Forrest
All in really good, lightly used condition. Prices include shipping in CONUSA. Nitto Noodle handlebars (48 cm) -- $50 Technomic Deluxe stem (10 cm) -- $40 Cane Creek SCR-5 drop-bar brake levers (standard size, not for small hands) -- $25 like these: http://tinyurl.com/3t6d3ss Would love

[RBW] FS: Nitto Campee Front Rack (w/ Removable Pannier Supports)

2011-06-07 Thread Curtis Schmitt
I saw Jamison's post earlier about wanting to buy a front rack and I reached out to him since I only used mine once and in the process stripped one of the eyelets on my fork. Will probably be a while before I have that fork fixed (terribly busy at work right now) so I thought I'd offer the rack for

[RBW] Re: Double Top Tube Sam Hillborne

2011-06-07 Thread Darin G.
Deal breaker. I'm 180-190 and have one of the original 56 cm canti Sams (nome de guerre: "Ramble 'Rounder). Wonderful and plush commuter, but on the heavy and sluggish side for lightly laden rides. I don't see how adding another tube can do anything but further deaden the ride. I've really push

[RBW] Re: can anyone relate--getting older (50) and back into cycling: finding drops not so easy...

2011-06-07 Thread Steve D.
Yeah, and I like the looks of drops on touring and racing bikes. Kinda superficial reasoning I know, but that's just my opinion. I like having the alternative hand positions as well. Glad you like your Noodle setup. Now that I have my Atlantis' drive train dialed in (after eight years of owning her

[RBW] Re: can anyone relate--getting older (50) and back into cycling: finding drops not so easy...

2011-06-07 Thread Steve D.
I'm about to turn 55, and I still use drops (NItto Dream) on my Atlantis. I keep the bars slightly above my saddle--no back aches, but a little numbness in my hands now and then. I'm planning on changing out the Dream bar to a Nitto Noodle so I can get the top part of the bar closer to me, hoping t

[RBW] FS: Power Grips

2011-06-07 Thread Dave Faller
I have a set of black Power Grips that are virtually new. I used them for maybe a mile, but they didn't work for me the way I'd hoped. $20, shipping is on me CONUS. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion o

[RBW] Re: Double Top Tube Sam Hillborne

2011-06-07 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean
Patrick, I believe we can all identify with your situation. Accommodating excess power is a constant struggle. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean :) On Jun 7, 7:59 am, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > I can see a second top tube for loaded touring -- or loads, simply. > The 56 single tubed SH I owned rode well unl

[RBW] FS Big Apple Liteskin 26x2.35

2011-06-07 Thread stevep33
Big Apple Liteskin 26x 2.35. Set of 2 tires. These are the Big Apples with the lighter casing, so they weigh less and roll really well. They are lightly used with about 75 road/path miles. The tread is in great shape - the little rubber whisps haven't worn off the front tire yet. See pictures:

Re: [RBW] Re: Double Top Tube Sam Hillborne

2011-06-07 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I can see a second top tube for loaded touring -- or loads, simply. The 56 single tubed SH I owned rode well unladen but was a bit flexy under load. Still, I'd rather have flex under load than excessive stiffness unladen. 170. Odd, but my new SH replacement Herse was too stiff for its two previous

[RBW] Re: Double Top Tube Sam Hillborne

2011-06-07 Thread Greg
I own a 60cm single top tube Sam, '09. Maybe because my main two rides for the last 20 years have been 59cm Ribby's, an RB-1 go-fast and an RB-T commuter/light tourer, The flex of the single top tube Sam feels perfect to me under my 226 lbs. for day riding on paved or gravel roads and overnight inn

Re: [RBW] Re: can anyone relate--getting older (50) and back into cycling: finding drops not so easy...

2011-06-07 Thread Ken Freeman
Agreed! There's a big difference between drop bars 5 cm below the saddle and drop bars raised to even or even a few cm above the saddle. Reach to the bars is a major factor in comfort, as well. On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 6:45 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 19:39 -0700, Mike S w

Re: [RBW] Re: can anyone relate--getting older (50) and back into cycling: finding drops not so easy...

2011-06-07 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 19:39 -0700, Mike S wrote: > Noodles came with my Quickbeam and I > abhorred the whole crouched over, knees-in-the-chest speedy position. You're describing bad fit, not the way things are supposed to be with drop bars. -- You received this message because you are subscrib

Re: [RBW] Re: Double Top Tube Sam Hillborne

2011-06-07 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 20:39 -0700, charlie wrote: > I'm with all the folks who like the double top tube.I like the > different look and it does make the frame stronger. I'm a full 268 > and would want the extra tube but I don't think a lighter rider would > get a harsh ride out of it, in fact,

[RBW] Re: [BOB] Why Freewheels? WAS: Experiments in Rolling Resistance and Low Speed Stability

2011-06-07 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 20:43 -0700, james black wrote: > Why must we dump our freewheels, a technology which in my experience > has always performed flawlessly as intended, just because freehubs > make for better engineering? One reason might be that freewheels NEVER "performed flawlessly". First

[RBW] Re: can anyone relate--getting older (50) and back into cycling: finding drops not so easy...

2011-06-07 Thread Jay LePree
Hi all: Interesting post from Dave M. a couple of months ago regarding drop bar positioning. http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2011/3/28/leisure-riding-position.html I tried this on one of my bikes where I noticed that as I became tired, I would ride in the drops (much below the saddle)

Re: [RBW] Re: can anyone relate--getting older (50) and back into cycling: finding drops not so easy...

2011-06-07 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Speaking of bars, I could use an 8 cm 1 1/8" threadless stem, preferably black, 10* rise or modest rise; for the Fargo. Can trade goods or pay cash. Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email

[RBW] Re: can anyone relate--getting older (50) and back into cycling: finding drops not so easy...

2011-06-07 Thread Philip Williamson
Hahaha! That cracked me up. Philip On Jun 6, 4:49 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 17:46 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > briefs as opposed to boxers are generally not as comfortable, but I > > completely forgot about them while riding. > > Try doing that on a century sometime