[RBW] Ride Report: The Hundred Mile Burger

2014-04-14 Thread Chris Chen
Or: How I fell in love with my bicycle again. After the awesome ramble out to Mason Hill, I wasn't planning to do any more riding this weekend, but a social engagement fell through so the first thought I had was, eff it, I'm going to Crown Point. I have evidence of this:

[RBW] Re: Riding in a Winter Wonderland!

2014-04-14 Thread Michael Hechmer
Yup, been there, along with spokes that had grown to be an inch thick. I actually find riding when the temperature is right around freezing and the roads snow covered to be the most difficult. It's easier at 20 degrees. Michael On Sunday, April 13, 2014 7:12:58 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick

[RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Hundred Mile Burger

2014-04-14 Thread Michael Fleischman
Thanks for sharing the ride report. Looks like a great ride. Love the picture of your AHH with the waterfall in the background. Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

[RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Hundred Mile Burger

2014-04-14 Thread Deacon Patrick
So often it's the barriers we perceive going in that end up being the source of startling joy! Great ride report! Thanks, Chris. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, April 14, 2014 1:41:14 AM UTC-6, Christopher Chen wrote: Or: How I fell in love with my bicycle again. After the awesome ramble

[RBW] Chain lube/wax

2014-04-14 Thread Deacon Patrick
So the stuff I've been using lasts a few hours when it's any sort of wet out and good luck lubing when it's all wet and grime sticking to grime sticking to grime sticking to chain. Grin. I am contemplating trying beeswax for my chain, and the websites I've found cite Grant saying 8:1

Re: [RBW] Chain lube/wax

2014-04-14 Thread Patrick Moore
Paraffin is no good at all for chains in wet weather. Its great offroad in dry weather because nothing sticks to it -- I can ride hours in sandy soil, wipe my finger over the chain and have it come away clean. But one good wetting will make your chain noisy. You can add oils or graphite to

Re: [RBW] Chain lube/wax

2014-04-14 Thread Dan McNamara
Patrick Not so sure about the solid waxes but do recommend you give NFS a try. Very highly recommended. http://ballersride.com/shop/nixfrixshun-chainlube-nfs Dan On Apr 14, 2014, at 5:57 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: So the stuff I’ve been using lasts a few hours when it’s

[RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Hundred Mile Burger

2014-04-14 Thread Shoji Takahashi
fun read-- sounds like a great ride. Thx! On Monday, April 14, 2014 3:41:14 AM UTC-4, Christopher Chen wrote: Or: How I fell in love with my bicycle again. After the awesome ramble out to Mason Hill, I wasn't planning to do any more riding this weekend, but a social engagement fell

[RBW] Re: Albastache conversion Complete!

2014-04-14 Thread Shoji Takahashi
great job, Patrick. It usually takes me a season or two before I tape my h-bars. I enjoy bar swaps as they really change the feel of the bike. Enjoy the new [handling] bike! --shoji On Sunday, April 13, 2014 2:27:56 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: I'm pretty sure Newbaum and Rivendell are

Re: [RBW] Chain lube/wax

2014-04-14 Thread David Brandt
After ruining several pairs of pants from grease stains I made the switch. I have been riding with 4 parts paraffin to 1 part beeswax for the last couple years and love it. I told Grant that I was doing it and he suggested adding a little petroleum jelly to it. So now I run with an added

[RBW] Re: Enjoy

2014-04-14 Thread Shoji Takahashi
I'm supposed to wait two hours for the Boeshield to dry? To quote the DP, Och! I guess I've been doing it wrong all along... or you can say that's my different philosophy. Spray/wipe/go. --shoji On Saturday, April 12, 2014 1:53:31 AM UTC-4, Christopher Chen wrote: A lot has been written

Re: [RBW] Chain lube/wax

2014-04-14 Thread Anne
Same recommendation here. Just wipe the chain sideplates after every ride. Lasts a long time. When you start to hear chain noise, add another half dozen drops. On Monday, April 14, 2014 9:35:05 AM UTC-4, danmc wrote: Patrick Not so sure about the solid waxes but do recommend you give NFS a

Re: [RBW] Cheviot's poppy picture

2014-04-14 Thread jimD
I had this 'redirect loop' problem intermittently this weekend. Seems to be a bug accompanying the recent Flickr 'enhancements'. -JimD On Apr 13, 2014, at 6:45 PM, Cecily Walker cecily.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Is anyone else in the group getting trapped in a redirect loop when viewing

[RBW] Re: Albastache conversion Complete!

2014-04-14 Thread Dave Redmon
What's the make of your saddle, Patrick? On Saturday, April 12, 2014 3:56:09 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: Thanks to you all, your knowledge, suggestions, and various parts the conversion to Albastache is complete! I got to do a few extra jobs beyond what I thought, but handled them all

[RBW] Re: Two Rivs on Denver area Craigs List

2014-04-14 Thread Thomas McCause
I picked up the quickbeam that was up there last week after selling enough bike stuff to fund the purchase... I need to take fresh pictures, but that snow is hammering Denver today...had enough time in the garage to add a basket and readjust fenders with the secu-clips and take a ride before

Re: [RBW] Re: 26 Tire Suggestions?

2014-04-14 Thread Michael Ullmer
Thanks everyone for your suggestions. I decided on Schwalbe Kojaks which should be ariving any day now. Once the build is entirely complete I'll post some pics. Thank again! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe

[RBW] An idea for an additional saddlebag grip

2014-04-14 Thread Michael Ullmer
I recently acquired a Nitto Saddlebag Grip which has made the use of saddlebags for daily use actually practical as I don't have to spend 5 minutes fiddling with the leather straps whenever I want to take the bag on or off the bike. It is truly an amazing design. I found, though, that I needed

Re: [RBW] Ride Report: The Hundred Mile Burger

2014-04-14 Thread Mike Williams
Please tell me you were listening to Woody Guthrie's ' Columbia River Collection' on this wonderful adventure! It would pair nicely. Great write up/ pics CC Sent from my iPhone On Apr 14, 2014, at 12:41 AM, Chris Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote: Or: How I fell in love with my bicycle again.

[RBW] Re: Two Rivs on Denver area Craigs List

2014-04-14 Thread Deacon Patrick
Fantastic, Thomas! That QB is a beauty! With abandon, Patrick On Sunday, April 13, 2014 7:26:47 PM UTC-6, Thomas McCause wrote: I picked up the quickbeam that was up there last week after selling enough bike stuff to fund the purchase... I need to take fresh pictures, but that snow is

[RBW] Re: Albastache conversion Complete!

2014-04-14 Thread Deacon Patrick
Dave, it's a Rivet. It's new and I'm only a few longish rides into it, but it's flat out the best saddle I've ridden. That's not saying much as in recent history I've ridden the B-68 for two years. But while I can tell I am still breaking it in, it is the most comfortable saddle after a few

[RBW] Re: Indianapolis S24O - Weekend of April 25th

2014-04-14 Thread EGNolan
Michael, I may be able to ride down/camp out if you go on the 26th. I'd probably meet my wife and kids in Bloomington catch a ride back on Sunday, though. I've got a coupla friends in B-ton that may be interested in meeting/riding and camping as well, but they're not on this list. If you can

[RBW] Re: Chain lube/wax

2014-04-14 Thread Deacon Patrick
I'm thick-headed with wool for brains, so please help me understand why wax works in dry dusty conditions by not wet. That makes no sense to me. Adding vasaline to beeswax might make sense. Would adding an oil of some kind make equal sense? Patrick, doesn't beeswax penetrate the chain when you

[RBW] Re: Chain lube/wax

2014-04-14 Thread Deacon Patrick
I should add, that the challenge I have in the riding I do is it's both wet and dry almost at the same time on many, many days. Between 20 minute downpours than mudify everything to creek crossings, things rapidly go from wet to dry to wet to dry. Dry dust and grit sticks to the wet lubes, and

[RBW] test ride for a friend

2014-04-14 Thread Rusty Click
Is there anyone in Pittsburgh commuting distance, who has a Betty or Cheviot? I have finally convinced a good friend and riding partner to consider getting her first Riv, but she would like to try riding one before making a purchase decision. She is sure she wants a step through frame, and

[RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Hundred Mile Burger

2014-04-14 Thread RoadieRyan
Hmmm Char burger. As a kid growing up in Portland the family often took trips through the gorge on the way to visit family in Eastern Washington and we would regularly stop at Char Burger in Hood River -yum. On Monday, April 14, 2014 12:41:14 AM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote: Or: How I fell

[RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Hundred Mile Burger

2014-04-14 Thread RoadieRyan
Hmmm Char burger. As a kid growing up in Portland the family often took trips through the gorge on the way to visit family in Eastern Washington and we would regularly stop at Char Burger in Hood River -yum. On Monday, April 14, 2014 12:41:14 AM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote: Or: How I fell

Re: [RBW] Chain lube/wax

2014-04-14 Thread jimD
This stuff works great but no way will it stay 'clean'. http://chain-l.com/index.html -Jim On Apr 14, 2014, at 7:17 AM, Anne speedyc...@comcast.net wrote: Same recommendation here. Just wipe the chain sideplates after every ride. Lasts a long time. When you start to hear chain noise, add

[RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Hundred Mile Burger

2014-04-14 Thread Jeremy Till
This is exactly the kind of ride I envisioned when I built up the dyno wheel for my LHT. So far, it hasn't quite come to pass, but ride reports like this give me hope. On Monday, April 14, 2014 12:41:14 AM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote: Or: How I fell in love with my bicycle again. After

Re: [RBW] Re: Chain lube/wax

2014-04-14 Thread Patrick Moore
I can't answer that. I just know that even a little wet makes the chain noisy; I also know that the general scuttlebutt (waxing has been around for decades) is that paraffin is not a good lube for wet conditions. I haven't heard of anyone recommend bees wax except Grant, and I haven't heard

Re: [RBW] Re: Chain lube/wax

2014-04-14 Thread Patrick Moore
That first beeswax ought to be paraffin of course. On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, beeswax does penetrate (it's thinner than bees wax when liquid) but apparently it doesn't keep water out or at any rate, doesn't keep the chain lubed when water

[RBW] FS: Sam Hillborne - 60cm

2014-04-14 Thread Mattt
I am selling my 60cm Sam Hillborne. I estimate it has about 1000 miles on it. The frame is in excellent condition. There are 3-4 nicks on the frame. There is no chain scrapes or anything of the such on the chain stay. The Sam has not been in crashes and always ridden with care.

Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Hundred Mile Burger

2014-04-14 Thread Chris Chen
That's the magic, right? When it gets dark you don't think oh shit, I have two hours left before I go dark, you think, well, the night is mine. Not like batman, I mean, not unless you're into vigilante justice AND bicycles. On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Jeremy Till jeremy.t...@gmail.com

[RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Hundred Mile Burger

2014-04-14 Thread velomann
Chris, Great story. Totally worth it, I'm sure. Reminds me of the summer of '78. I was 18, just out of high school, working as a cook at Old Faithful Lodge in Yellowstone. Had a day off and a hankering for a buffalo burger and a piece of pie from the little cafe in West Yellowstone - 31 miles

Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Hundred Mile Burger

2014-04-14 Thread Chris Chen
Mike: You do what you do, right? cc On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 10:41 AM, velomann velom...@gmail.com wrote: Chris, Great story. Totally worth it, I'm sure. Reminds me of the summer of '78. I was 18, just out of high school, working as a cook at Old Faithful Lodge in Yellowstone. Had a day

[RBW] Re: Indianapolis S24O - Weekend of April 25th

2014-04-14 Thread Michael Fleischman
Eric, Excellent. I got a buddy up here that will be joining. I say we try to meet up around 2 PM on Saturday the 26th and aim to be down there and setting up camp by 5:30 / 6:00. BTW - I think we have a mutual friend, Jake Parker? I feel like I have heard your name before. Let me know

[RBW] Re: So Cal s480+

2014-04-14 Thread Curtis McKenzie
Doug, thank you for the tip. We will take your advice a return via Santa Paula. Hugh and Evan, trip will not be the same without you guys. On Saturday, April 12, 2014, hsmitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like fun but that's Easter weekend so I'll have to pass. ~Hugh On Friday,

Re: [RBW] Re: So Cal s480+

2014-04-14 Thread Hugh Smitham
Thanks for saying so. Have a great time. ~Hugh “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep moving.” ― Albert Einstein http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/ On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Curtis McKenzie cmcy...@gmail.com wrote: Doug, thank you for the tip. We

Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar swap question

2014-04-14 Thread Shoji Takahashi
Hi DS, Congrats on the Hunqapillar! Shifters: The MTN vs Road bar thing: you might want to consider the IRD Silver SOS thumbies offered by Riv. Unlike the Paul thumbies, which are for specific h-bar diameters, the SOS thumbies come with shims. You can swap between MTN and Road bars by moving

[RBW] FS: Rare and out of production R-14 tombstone

2014-04-14 Thread Curtis
Here is your opportunity to own the now hard to acquire R-14 tombstone. This item was expertly removed from the rack and is in like new condition. Asking only $12.42 which includes shipping and one meter of duct tape for easy installation. Curtis hacksawMcKenzie -- You received this

[RBW] Re: Albastache conversion Complete!

2014-04-14 Thread Ryan
Love the orange bar tape and it's a nice complement to the frame's colour scheme. I think you did a lovely job of wrapping them. Newbaum tape, did you say? Great pictures, too, as usual. Do you think you would switch back to the original Albas under some conditions? Regards...Ryan in Winnipeg

[RBW] Re: FS: Rare and out of production R-14 tombstone

2014-04-14 Thread Joe Bernard
Does it plane? On Monday, April 14, 2014 2:55:28 PM UTC-7, Curtis wrote: Here is your opportunity to own the now hard to acquire R-14 tombstone. This item was expertly removed from the rack and is in like new condition. Asking only $12.42 which includes shipping and one meter of duct tape

[RBW] Re: Chain lube/wax

2014-04-14 Thread Garth
Just thinkin' . . . . . I've used two wax based lubes, because cleaning chains is strongly not my preference :) Squirt, which is not widely available, is by far the longest lasting. It has no petroleum in it, it's water based and White . It does alight in the rain as long as it's been

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rare and out of production R-14 tombstone

2014-04-14 Thread Peter Morgano
I bet it's laterally stiff On Apr 14, 2014 6:00 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: Does it plane? On Monday, April 14, 2014 2:55:28 PM UTC-7, Curtis wrote: Here is your opportunity to own the now hard to acquire R-14 tombstone. This item was expertly removed from the rack and is in

Re: [RBW] FS: Rare and out of production R-14 tombstone

2014-04-14 Thread Curtis McKenzie
The best characteristic of the item is that it can fill so many needs for so many individuals. On Monday, April 14, 2014, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: I bet it's laterally stiff On Apr 14, 2014 6:00 PM, Joe Bernard

Re: [RBW] Re: Chain lube/wax

2014-04-14 Thread Peter Morgano
I use clean ride, and while I don't like working with something so toxic it is the lowest maintenance lube I have found in the years of dirt riding. On Apr 14, 2014 6:09 PM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: Just thinkin' . . . . . I've used two wax based lubes, because cleaning chains is

Re: [RBW] FS: Rare and out of production R-14 tombstone

2014-04-14 Thread Chris Chen
If we're playing this game I have some broken struts for a R-14 for sale, $16.99 plus British Columbia GST for the hell of it. Also included is some fender mud from an awesome ride. They have some nice vice grip marks on them. On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Curtis McKenzie cmcy...@gmail.com

Re: [RBW] FS: Rare and out of production R-14 tombstone

2014-04-14 Thread Chris Chen
Note that they're marks from a literally evil grip, not a vise grip. On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Chris Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote: If we're playing this game I have some broken struts for a R-14 for sale, $16.99 plus British Columbia GST for the hell of it. Also included is some fender

Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Hundred Mile Burger

2014-04-14 Thread WETH
Chris, I thoroughly enjoyed reading this and viewing your photos. Thanks a lot for sharing and for a bit of inspiration. Safe cycling, Erl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

[RBW] Re: Albastache conversion Complete!

2014-04-14 Thread Deacon Patrick
Ryan, If I didn't have vertigo, yes, there are conditions I would switch back to the Albatross. They are an amazing bar for more upright riding. Unless something like back issues require me to have a more upright position (and since I floor live and have regular bone broth and an

[RBW] Re: Chain lube/wax

2014-04-14 Thread Michael
Chain-L is the longest lasting, and coolest smelling lube I have ever used. You can smell it when you enter the garage for the next week after installing it on the chain. Smells like engine oil. I think I could could go for 1k at least without a relube if I remember right from my use. Rain

[RBW] Re: Chain lube/wax

2014-04-14 Thread Deacon Patrick
I went back and looked at the various lubes I've tried and they are all variations on the dry wax. So that path has been tried. The Chain-L looks well worth trying. So I will try the wet lube next and see how it goes. Given that Boeshield and White Lightening and the rest last me at most 10

[RBW] Re: Chain lube/wax

2014-04-14 Thread Garth
I have some Chain-L to try, but man, the smell to me is anything but foul. I'm not putting it on in my attached garage ! With a lingering odor like that, and it's mystery ingredients too, I'm sure it's no more/less toxic than others, as toxic is relative to the I of the beholder anyways !

[RBW] Re: Chain lube/wax

2014-04-14 Thread Deacon Patrick
I don't/do follow you here, Garth because there are too few/many mixed messages. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, April 14, 2014 5:54:16 PM UTC-6, Garth wrote: I have some Chain-L to try, but man, the smell to me is anything but foul. I'm not putting it on in my attached garage !

[RBW] Re: Riding in a Winter Wonderland!

2014-04-14 Thread Iron Rider
That is some beautiful country! What part of the world is it. And nice facial snow! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] From the Mountains to the Sea with A. Homer Hilsen.

2014-04-14 Thread Iron Rider
A tale of two rides: http://eprider.blogspot.com/2014/04/2014-april-200k-change-in-perspective.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: 26 Tire Suggestions?

2014-04-14 Thread Dave Johnston
I have the Kojacks 26x2.0 on my Atlantis and they are actually 44mm wide on 22.5mm rims. I have the Compass 26x1.75 on an XO-3 and they measure 43mm on 20mm rims. The Compass tires feel noticeably faster to me but it might be the bike not the tires. Maybe the X0-3 planes? Both bikes have drops

[RBW] Re: Mt. Brake levers on Mustache Bars?

2014-04-14 Thread Dave Johnston
VO City Bike Brake Levers are available in both MTB (22.2mm) and road bar (23.8mm) sizes. This style came on a used Nishiki Mixty I have and they have really long levers so I'm not sure they would be that great on M bars which has a pretty short grip area. The other option as mentioned is

[RBW] Re: Chain lube/wax

2014-04-14 Thread Deacon Patrick
I'm intrigued by Dumonde's Original and may try it first. It's the same concept as wax, but with a self-lubricating polymer as its base. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001EO19MY/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8colid=LU7NJJJ1Q6Ucoliid=I18KBXXNXGTA2Fpsc=1 With abandon, Patrick -- You received

[RBW] Re: Riding in a Winter Wonderland!

2014-04-14 Thread Deacon Patrick
Pikes Peak or Bust! Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, April 14, 2014 6:08:42 PM UTC-6, Iron Rider wrote: That is some beautiful country! What part of the world is it. And nice facial snow! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch

[RBW] Re: Chain lube/wax

2014-04-14 Thread Brian Campbell
For winter/wet weather riding, I mix automatic transmission fluid and 10w30 in an old Tupperware container and immerse the chain for a minute or so and agitate. I then hang the chain over the container and let it drain completely back into the container and wipe off any excess. Sure it gets

Re: [RBW] Re: Mt. Brake levers on Mustache Bars?

2014-04-14 Thread Ray Shine
True. I was looking at the VO levers, and ordered a set anyway. I'll report. You make a good point. I had not considered that. Thank you. From: Dave Johnston jdi...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 5:27 PM

[RBW] Re: From the Mountains to the Sea with A. Homer Hilsen.

2014-04-14 Thread Deacon Patrick
I read your post earlier today and love it. It got me thinking about what I do when I'm cranking up a 10 mile hill. It's a great time for prayer and meditation for me, and I often pray the Rosary or the Jesus prayer and melt into the surrounding and the experience. I love all parts of the ride

[RBW] Re: Chincoteague NWR

2014-04-14 Thread grrlyrida
What beautiful pics. I remember reading those books in elementary schools. I loved them. And to be able to ride your bike around those islands, priceless. On Monday, April 7, 2014 1:46:34 PM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote: We finally got out of snowy and now muddy Vt. (we live 3 miles down a

Re: [RBW] Re: Chain lube/wax

2014-04-14 Thread Jim Bronson
I'm pretty intrigued by chain lube with a distinctive smell as it's calling card. I generally smell all the motor oils that I put in the household cars and I can tell various motor oils by their smell. I think Mobil 1 smells the best of all oils I have used, with Mobil Super 5000 a close 2nd.

[RBW] Re: fs: TWO pairs of 650b tires!!!

2014-04-14 Thread Eric
Did I say 90?! I meant $80 shipped! On Saturday, April 12, 2014 9:14:42 PM UTC-5, Eric wrote: Okay so the quest for the perfect 650b tire for my Saluki has led me down a long expensive path. So in order to raise money for my next pair of tires I'd like to sell this gaggle! I have two

[RBW] Best chain lube - ever

2014-04-14 Thread James Valiensi
Hi, For a long lasting lube that makes your drive train quieter try bar and chain oil. It is for chainsaws and won't fly off the chain. You can get a quart for under $10 and it will probably last you a 100,000 miles. Sent from my iPad -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

Re: [RBW] Best chain lube - ever

2014-04-14 Thread Peter Morgano
Hmmm, I have bar and chain lube. stuff is crazy thick, you sure without the heat of the saw it wont just gunk up? On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:01 PM, James Valiensi valie...@mac.com wrote: Hi, For a long lasting lube that makes your drive train quieter try bar and chain oil. It is for

Re: [RBW] Best chain lube - ever

2014-04-14 Thread James Valiensi
Hi, I've used it for 1000's of miles and I know others that swear by it. I put a drop on each link and spin the cranks a while, and then wipe off the excess. No build up of gunk. Sent from my iPad On Apr 14, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: Hmmm, I have bar

[RBW] Re: Chain lube/wax

2014-04-14 Thread Michael
Chain-L No.5 is a petroleum based lube. It smells kind of like motor oil to me. Its not overpowering. You can just smell it while standing near the bike while in the garage. Not while riding, of course. Chanel No.5, on the other hand can probably be scent-sampled at any local