Has anyone on list purchased and used a pair of the new Compass
Centerpulls? I'm leaning toward them, for a new touring bike, and am
interested in any real-life feedback on their performance.
- Andrew, Berkeley
On Saturday, December 6, 2014 at 5:44:31 PM UTC-8, Jan Heine wrote:
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> We'll offer
We'll offer them separately as soon as we have enough in stock. Polishing
them is tricky, since the post has to remain full diameter and roundness...
Our polisher is working on them, but for now, we only have enough in stock
to fit on complete brakesets.
The upgrade kit has proven remarkably po
" Our custom pad holders are short enough to clear the seatstays/fork
blades, so the brake can open wide. Most modern pads hit the stays/blades,
which limits how wide the brake can open."
I sure hope that Compass makes those brake holders available separately.
They appear to be another real u
Ernest Csuka of Cycles Alex Singer always said that no adjustment should be
at the end of the range. Good bikes and good components are designed so
that you don't need to push things to the very edge. In Rivendell's early
days, this wasn't the case, since only short-reach brakes were commonly
a
Same for me, now I need to figure how to best incorporate the new center
pulls to a new frame with the best result and economy. Modify a production
frame? Look at TIG steel custom? Good thing winter is just starting, I've
got issues to work out!
Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh
On Friday, December 5,
It definitely has an effect on the resulting mechanical advantage. Run the
numbers on one of the online calculators to estimate how much of a
difference it'll make.
On Friday, December 5, 2014 4:05:00 PM UTC-8, BSWP wrote:
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> Great to hear Jan chime in here! Can anyone comment on benefits/ri
Great to hear Jan chime in here! Can anyone comment on benefits/risks of
placing the centerpull braze-on posts so pads are normally at position of
longest reach? That is, spec'ing post placement on a custom frame to match
pads to rims, with pads at point of longest reach on the brake arms? It
s
My brother gets Mafac cantis, and the shorter armed single version, to
boot, to work well; and so do others, obviously. Me and my bike shop
surrogates: no go.
Must be moon phases or one's zodiacal position
Patrick "no luck, boots or no boots" Moore
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Matthew J w
Paul Price (the "Paul" of Paul Component Engineering) and I have known each
other for a very long time. I remember how he called me up after I wrote an
article about centerpulls for the Riv. Reader, way back in the last century
(before Bicycle Quarterly), and asked about them. I sent him a set o
> Mafac Cantis, both single and tandem versions (salmons, of course and
with both OEM Mafac levers and modern Tektros. Professionals could not get
these to work.
My experience as well.
But Peter Weigle uses them on more than a few of his bikes and reviews
claim they work. Maybe his magic touc
I had never heard of the Mafac Tiger before your post but a Google search
lead to quite a number of links. Learn something new every day. Also, it
looks like it really should be MAFAC Tiger/Racer/etc as MAFAC stands
for Manufacture
Auvergnoise de Freins et Assessoires pour Cycle.
Who knew? Not
I'll bet they weren't as bad as my all-time tied losers:
Avid BB7 *road bike design* disks; absolutely useless even with 180 front
rotor, best housing and organic pads. The *mountain* design is very good.
Mafac Cantis, both single and tandem versions (salmons, of course and with
both OEM Mafac le
Mafac Racers are smaller than Paul Racers and the Compass brakes. Without
question if you are running 700x32 or thereabouts with fenders, Mafac
Racers can be had very affordably and are really fun to profile and polish.
But for 650Bx42 + fenders, Mafac Racers are not an option, right? You
ne
I selectively edited out the "and USA" portion of the ad page!!!
Concerns humbly withdrawn!
On Thursday, December 4, 2014 10:41:38 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
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> Let your flag fly! It's always fun to think of reasons to put money in Mr
> Price's register.
>
> Compass brakes are *partially*
Option E would be Mafac Racers, which aren't as pretty, but can be polished
with some Simichrome and which have excellent stopping power. Last time I
checked, even NOS Racers are fairly easy to find.
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> On Dec 4, 2014, a
Let your flag fly! It's always fun to think of reasons to put money in Mr
Price's register.
Compass brakes are *partially* made in the USA, but farther away from me
than Chico ;-) . Also, there is no frame in existence that takes both the
Compass brakes and Paul Racers* (they use different
I'm not a huge flag-waver, but Pauls are made in Chico, CA.
I know Taiwanese folks have families and kids and hobbies and mortgages,
but I guess I'd rather give my money to Mr. Price and support their local
economy.
On Thursday, December 4, 2014 8:19:34 AM UTC-8, BSWP wrote:
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> And just like
And just like that, they're announced as available
http://janheine.wordpress.com/2014/12/04/compass-centerpull-brakes-are-here/
Prices compare not-too-unfavorably to the Pauls. Very tempting.
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You aren't that wrong. Still pricey. But likely worth it on the right
custom build.
Wonder how long before we see a custom Riv with a set? An otherwise
straight up 650B Hilsen with Compass braze on brakes?!?
On Thursday, December 4, 2014 8:36:04 AM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
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> That is a ve
Building a custom bike is pure fantasy for me, but those brakes just
entered that fantasy.
David
Charlotte, NC
On Thursday, December 4, 2014 9:36:04 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
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> That is a very pleasant surprise. I'm very happy to be wrong. I hope
> Compass makes their reasonable and fair
That is a very pleasant surprise. I'm very happy to be wrong. I hope
Compass makes their reasonable and fair margins at that price. The rack is
fantastic.
On Thursday, December 4, 2014 6:08:37 AM UTC-8, Matthew J wrote:
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> > They aren't available yet.
>
> They are now. $325.00 for brakes
Just saw that
On Thursday, December 4, 2014 9:08:37 AM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:
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> > They aren't available yet.
>
> They are now. $325.00 for brakes and bolts. $469.00 with the rack. So
> $500.00 a bit off.
>
> http://www.compasscycle.com/brakesCmCpl.html
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> They aren't available yet.
They are now. $325.00 for brakes and bolts. $469.00 with the rack. So
$500.00 a bit off.
http://www.compasscycle.com/brakesCmCpl.html
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Ok, I'm rather late to this discussion but after 35 years of riding I have
set up and used a lot of brakes. The two worst brakes I have ever had were
shimano (550?) cantis and an early, mid 80's diacompe canti. Both hard to
set up and poor stopping with shimano levers. My favorite have been th
Whoops, sorry, the replacement for the Dura Ace/Tourney front centerpull
was a dual pivot, 57 mm reach Shimano; salmon pads.
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
> Someone on the boblist (I think) traded or gave me a pair of "Dura Ace"
> (so pantographed; Olof Stroh says Shimano
Someone on the boblist (I think) traded or gave me a pair of "Dura Ace" (so
pantographed; Olof Stroh says Shimano sold these under the DA moniker for 6
months in 1976; but *in re *= Tourney) centerpulls that he had manually
polished. Those were both exquisitely beautiful (until the unprotected
alum
Oops. Meant to say that the Mafac Racers are *not* nearly as pretty.
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> On Dec 3, 2014, at 4:56 PM, Eric Norris wrote:
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> Seems to me you could get *almost* the same performance at a mu
Seems to me you could get *almost* the same performance at a much lower cost by
sourcing some original Mafac Raids. Spend a little money to have them
professionally polished, and Voila!
The Mafac Racers on my Motobecane are nearly as pretty, but they’re about the
most powerful brakes I own (inc
They aren't available yet. They look really nice, but be prepared for
MASSIVE sticker shock. Every time Jan comments on them, he points out how
much cheaper it is to CNC parts (Paul) and how much cheaper generic
stainless hardware is (Paul), and how much nicer the brake pad holders are
than M
A fiend just forwarded me the link to the upcoming Compass RAID brakes:
http://janheine.wordpress.com/2014/09/30/compass-centerpull-brakes/
I continue to dream and scheme for a new custom frame, and know that it
will have centerpulls. I had been set on the Pauls, but the new Compass
brakes look
It hit me this morning (thanks, Peet's!) that with brazed-on centerpulls
(like the Paul Racers), one actually has wide latitude (or longitude, heh)
over how far apart the brazed-on centerpull posts/bosses/pivots are placed.
Thus, working with a frame builder, one can fine-tune the brakes for the
So a particular brake may work well on a certain bike, but put the same
brake on another frame and you may get different results. Got it.
Thanks,
Aaron
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
> Aaron, I'd just defer back to Brian's post. It's a system. Everything
> matters. Rim
Aaron, I'd just defer back to Brian's post. It's a system. Everything
matters. Rims brakepads levers cables housing. Especially the placement of
the bridges. Everything.
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Hi Bill,
Just doing some research reading about brakes and came across your update.
You mention that the DC 610's work, even work well. Then you say the
1970's restoration with Dia Compes are really powerful. What do you think
is the difference here? I would guess that both Dia Compe brake set
Thanks for that reply Michael. As you can see, though, I made that switch
almost a year ago. The post of mine you replied to is dated 10/9/2013. :-)
I guess coming in on a year does allow me to give an update. The backstory
is that this is my road bike. A Black Mountain Cycles, which is
fu
On Monday, September 1, 2014 3:55:31 AM UTC+2, BSWP wrote:
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> Thanks, all, especially for the links to beautiful frames.
>
> I'm deducing that 42mm tires will fit past the pads on Paul Racers. Anyone
> run wider tires than that with those brakes? They're probably not a first
> choice for mounta
Bill, a lot depends on what size tires you are using. I converted my Ram
from Ultegra side pulls to Paul's Racer Ms and was very happy with the
outcome. Setup and maintenance is a similar amount of effort, Paul's get a
slight nod for power and modulation, but a big plus for fender clearance.
And while poring over options for Paul Racers, I stumbled across an
incredibly beautiful and carefully-worked fork crown that integrated mounts
for Racers, built by Jordan Hufnagel, in 2010. Wow! Have a look:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/hufnagelcycles/5230919936/
- Andrew, Berkeley
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On Sunday, August 31, 2014 5:18:19 PM UTC+2, Matthew J wrote:
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> This guy had to narrow the fenders under Paul Racers but those appear to
> be Hetres.
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/32306142@N07/4669102184/in/faves-edscoble/
That looks like a narrower tire than the Hetre.
Johan Larsson,
Swe
Thanks, all, especially for the links to beautiful frames.
I'm deducing that 42mm tires will fit past the pads on Paul Racers. Anyone
run wider tires than that with those brakes? They're probably not a first
choice for mountain bike setups... 38 is pretty wide for me, but I could
consider 42-4
Bottom line is you probably need to go braze on custom to get them to work.
On Sunday, August 31, 2014 7:27:22 PM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:
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> Ahh. Small world.
>
> In any event, I know I've seen Paul Racers with Hetres online. Here is
> the correct bike:
> http://ruedatropical.com/2009/12/te
Ahh. Small world.
In any event, I know I've seen Paul Racers with Hetres online. Here is the
correct
bike: http://ruedatropical.com/2009/12/terraferma-randonneur-ready-for-paint/
On Sunday, August 31, 2014 5:59:36 PM UTC-5, rob markwardt wrote:
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> Hey that looks familiar ...it's my bike!
Hey that looks familiar ...it's my bike! Pics are from previous owner. Tires
are 700c and there is plenty of clearance for fenders under the brakes. The cut
he was referring to is down by the chain stays
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This guy had to narrow the fenders under Paul Racers but those appear to be
Hetres.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/32306142@N07/4669102184/in/faves-edscoble/
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I've got 32s on my bike with Paul braze-ons and there is probably another
5mm of space...might fit 38s.
On Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:17:21 AM UTC-7, BSWP wrote:
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> I'm considering Racer braze-on long reach brakes on a new frame... can
> anyone else with experience of these brakes comment on m
I know that a 42 Hetre won't clear. I'll throw a 38 and a 34-ish tire in to
check next week. Bike is in the shop right now getting the steerer tube cut.
Dan
> On Aug 30, 2014, at 9:17 AM, BSWP wrote:
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> I'm considering Racer braze-on long reach brakes on a new frame... can anyone
> else wit
I'm considering Racer braze-on long reach brakes on a new frame... can
anyone else with experience of these brakes comment on maximum tire width
that will easily slip past the brake pads, when the straddle cable is
removed, so wheels can be removed/installed without deflating tires? Thanks.
- A
I particularly like the super integrated result when your frame builder
uses Paul-specific posts, so there is one fewer layer of tolerance between
bushing sleeves. That may very well be the direction I go, eventually
On Monday, October 14, 2013 2:10:40 PM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote:
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> No experien
No experience with bolt on center pulls. If you ever go custom, I highly
recommend considering braze on center pulls. I've had bikes with braze on
Mafac Raids and Paul Racers and currently have a bike with Paul Racer Ms.
All three stopped with alacrity, had wide range modulation, and were eas
Small update. I ended up with the wrong size rear funky monkey. "Of
course it's 28.6mm, just like the front derailer clamp!" Nope. Externally
butted Seat Tube, means I needed 30.0mm. Bummer.
Anyway I did get the front set up. I didn't ride around much with only a
front brake, but it see
Bill, my first reaction to the diacompe rack was also - it's so tiny it's cute.
Ended up using it as a basket support on my sister-in-laws bike.
I have been refurbishing old 10 speeds for the last few years and have found
center pulls as good or better than side pulls.
Ryan S
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I had Silvers and non-aero levers on my Bleriot when I first got it. The
braking was so bad it was scaryI changed BOTH levers and brakes. Went
to the aero Cane Creek/Tektro levers and Dia-Compe center-pulls and they've
been on the bike the last six years. As a science teacher I know my
i
That's enough variety of reviews to tell me that I might like centerpulls
better and I might not. Classic YMMV situation. Haha. Maybe I'll get it
done this weekend.
I overhauled these Gran Compe 610s to familiarize myself with all the
pieces, lube all the pivots, bushings and threads. The
jim wrote:
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I'll echo Patrick's response. I've used centerpulls for specific situations
(like needing cheap longer reach for a 650b conversion, or needing a nutted
front brake) but they aren't any better at stopping than a good single or dual
pivot sidepull. I've used various Weinman, Mafac,
Have used both Racers and Tektro R559 brakes.
Paul's:
were hard to get centered for me. So many points of adjustment possible on
them. Hard to get cables attached. I was new to center pulls though. Got easier
each time I messed with them. They were great with salmon pads.
R559's:
install and
those are the bolted on version, the brazed on Paul Racers are the best rim
brake I've ever used for both modulation and stopping power. There is some
tire size max,about 42 mm, to get the tire to fit past the pads. They are
a bit clunky in the looks dept., especially the anodized version. I'v
+1. I replaced a set of Paul Racers for a set of Silver sidepulls. Glad I
did.
On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 7:25:24 PM UTC-4, jinxed wrote:
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> On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 2:55:29 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
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>> What I was curiously looking for was something more specific. For
>> example
Interestingly I had the exact opposite experience. Paul Racers stop me much
better than Silvers.
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*THAT* was exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for that. I'm about to
make a similar maneuver and I'm really interested to see what my results
are. Thank you thank you.
On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 4:25:24 PM UTC-7, jinxed wrote:
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> On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 2:55:29 PM UTC-6, Bill
On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 2:55:29 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
> What I was curiously looking for was something more specific. For
> example, I've seen many A Homer Hilsens using Silver Sidepulls, and I've
> seen many A Homer Hilsens using Paul Racer centerpulls. I'd love to hear
> someb
Linear pulls are certainly powerful and easy to set up, at least, as long
as they are not the cheap ones, which are horrible to set up since the
cheap springs mean that they never stay put; I've seen at least on pair, on
a WalMart "bike", that literally could not be adjusted properly -- the
springs
Thanks for the replies. I think I'm with all of you: "I've used all kinds
and they all work fine. None are dramatically better or worse". At least
for everything but centerpulls. I've never done a nice centerpull setup.
I understand being forced into using cheapie centerpulls for various
I honestly think linear pulls or cantilever are the best brakes out
there...
On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 3:23:31 PM UTC-5, Jim M. wrote:
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>
> On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 11:48:45 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
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>> I've used center pulls, single pivots, and dual pivots, not to mention
On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 11:48:45 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
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> I've used center pulls, single pivots, and dual pivots, not to mention
> cantis and vs, and haven't found centerpulls any better, or much worse,
> than any of the others.
>
I'll echo Patrick's response. I've used centerp
While I agree this rack is a TA copy, let me be clear. I bought it from
VO, but it's not a VO rack. It is the Dia Compe Gran Compe ENE front rack.
When you Patrick were playing around with your front rack in 2011, a few
listers here posted their pictures of this Grand Compe ENE rack broken at
I've used center pulls, single pivots, and dual pivots, not to mention
cantis and vs, and haven't found centerpulls any better, or much worse,
than any of the others. No magic, IME. In fact, I found the old Dura Aces
(probably re-inscribed Tourneys) better than the Mafac Racers, but neither
as powe
I'm going to start playing around a little bit with centerpull brakes on at
least one of my caliper brake equipped bikes. I bought a pair of the
snazzy Gran Compe 610s and the tiny optional front rack from Velo Orange.
They will be replacing Tektro R539 on my "budget Roadeo".
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