[RBW] Re: B17 alternatives

I've tried the Selle Anatomica Titanico saddle which is great but I felt like it hammocked me too much... almost to the point where it was "too broken in". I went back to the B17 and I definitely plan on trying the Aspin on my next build. On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 11:55:33 PM UTC-5

[RBW] Re: B17 alternatives

I've enjoyed many a B17 Champion Special, and a few not, and only a few B17 standards. NOTE: I'm six foot tall, 165lbs, with a 13cm sit bone width. I run a few times a week and do a couple of 25 mile rides each week, and shorter rides for errands, etc. Long way of saying I'm not real wide and

[RBW] Re: B17 Flyer on drop bar Atlantis

For me, bounce is the operative word. Over bigger bumps the Flyer will bounce enough to launch my butt off of the saddle. That's what happens when you have springs with no damping. Kind of useless off-pavement IMO, but it does add some comfort on reasonably paved roads. I put mine into

Re: [RBW] Re: B17 Flyer on drop bar Atlantis

I did not think my springs compressed so had someone follow to watch ...turns out they do, noticeably. Eric 220 lbs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

[RBW] Re: B17 Flyer on drop bar Atlantis

The springs* do* compress. I can feel them do so on small and large bumps alike, at different levels of travel depending on the roughness of the road. Saddle will bounce more on the bigger bumps. I pedal in the 80's cadence range. The saddle bounces along like you are in a limo. But not too

Re: [RBW] Re: B17 Flyer on drop bar Atlantis

I forgot an aside, worthy of another thread. Thus: Am I alone in finding 50 mm, at least for 700C wheels, a sweet spot for pavement and loose dirt? The F Freds measure 51 mm with my electronic caliper, and while I do notice that 51 mm at 17/20 does not float as well, nor roll as cush, as 15/18

Re: [RBW] Re: B17 Flyer on drop bar Atlantis

Nice looking ride -- that's pretty much how I'd set up a bike for road use. The Matthews' bar is about even with saddle. And yet you find the springs do help. I'll have to try another Flyer, some day. Yesterday's ride on the Matthews, a bit over 25 miles, covered at least 22 miles on dirt, say

Re: [RBW] Re: B17 Flyer on drop bar Atlantis

I'm set up in kops on my Bleriot . You can see the the seatpost and the way the saddle set up on it here: https://www.flickr.com/gp/70237737@N00/TnUUnm KOPS on Sam: https://www.flickr.com/gp/70237737@N00/TnUUnm Always perfect bounce from day one. I wonder why they don't bounce for some people?

RE: [RBW] Re: B17 Flyer on drop bar Atlantis

Anecdotally, my stoker noticed an improvement in comfort with a sprung flyer over a non-sprung but well broken in B-17. It's hard to say how measurable the suspension is but when you forget to mention or don't see a bump in time and the stoker says "that wasn't bad", it's worth having. Ray

RE: [RBW] Re: B17 Flyer on drop bar Atlantis

Patrick Moore wrote: I couldn't get any suspension (that I noticed) from the Flyer I owned. Is there a secret to setting it up? I do recall that, because of the short rails, I had to buy a new seatpost with a lot of setback (Thompson, perhaps?). Could this have been the reason that springs

Re: [RBW] Re: B17 Flyer on drop bar Atlantis

I couldn't get any suspension (that I noticed) from the Flyer I owned. Is there a secret to setting it up? I do recall that, because of the short rails, I had to buy a new seatpost with a lot of setback (Thompson, perhaps?). Could this have been the reason that springs weren't compressing? On

[RBW] Re: B17 Flyer on drop bar Atlantis

They even have an imperial flyer now! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group,

[RBW] Re: B17 Flyer on drop bar Atlantis

My Atlantis is set up with Noodle Bars and a Flyer. Works for me. On Friday, October 21, 2016 at 8:15:51 PM UTC-5, René wrote: > > This might seem like a dumb question, but I've only seen sprung saddles, > such as the B-17 Flyer or the B-67 on upright bikes like the Cheviot, and > in fact I

[RBW] Re: B17 Flyer on drop bar Atlantis

I weigh 175. Both of my B-17 Flyers have always bounced just perfectly for me on my Bleriot and Sam and Rambouillet with drop bar 1.3cm below saddle height. Perfect also sitting bolt upright for me with Albatross bars! Turns your bike into a limousine! I ride centuries and the saddle is

[RBW] Re: B17 Flyer on drop bar Atlantis

The springs don't give much at all and I will say that I'm a fair amount heavier than Patrick. It just smooths out the road/trail a tad to make all day riding just a bit more comfortable. One thing I will warn you about is that the flyer squeaks a lot. I'm accustomed to it, but I imagine

[RBW] Re: B17 Flyer on drop bar Atlantis

Thanks! I may give it a try. On Friday, October 21, 2016, Patrick Moore wrote: > I tried a Flyer on an all-rounded mountain bike, with drop bar. I think > that the bar -- 46 cm Noodle on 10 cm D Drop stem -- was even with saddle. > The Flyer was no worse for me than the B

[RBW] Re: B17 Flyer on drop bar Atlantis

My Atlantis has a Flyer on it and I like the saddle quite a bit. I had a drop bar on it, until I injured my hand. After that, I changed to a moustache bar to take the weight off my injured hand, but plan to go back now that I am mostly healed. -Matt -- You received this message because you

[RBW] Re: B17/Imperial vs. B17N /Imperial saddles?

Michael, If you're willing to venture beyond Brooks, I highly recommend Rivet Saddles. They have the cutout and are the best feeling saddle I've ever ridden, though my range of experience is fairly small (B-17, B-68, Rivet). Their widest saddle is sized like the B-17, but looks narrower in the

[RBW] Re: B17

As a recent b17 hoarder, I can tell you there are tons of folks that have them in the closet. We must be filled with the attitude of someday well have a bike for them. I think we should keep a sticky post just to sell/swap b17 saddles in various colors and sizes. On Jun 29, 3:56 pm, Bruce

[RBW] Re: B17

New Green B17 special available $120 shipped CUSA paypal prefered On Jun 30, 12:38 pm, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: As a recent b17 hoarder, I can tell you there are tons of folks that have them in the closet. We must be filled with the attitude of someday well have a bike for them.  I

[RBW] Re: B17

OK... time out... WHO HAS A HONEY B17 for sale, and what is the price... please? Thanks, BB On Jun 29, 1:16 am, Adam oceanm...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry eflayer.  I have a honey flying in from the midwest, didn't see your offer until too late.  I do like those local exchanges. Best, Adam On

[RBW] Re: B17

me. b17, honey, black rails, small rivets, used but no issues. $75 shipped. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/DXkNwJcY8w8J. To post

[RBW] Re: B17

i am in berkeley and have a honey in perfect condition. eddie.fla...@att.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/xpvPnOLau7IJ. To post

RE: [RBW] Re: B17

: [RBW] Re: B17 i am in berkeley and have a honey in perfect condition. eddie.fla...@att.netmailto:eddie.fla...@att.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw

[RBW] Re: B17

: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 1:53 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: B17 i am in berkeley and have a honey in perfect condition. eddie.fla...@att.netmailto:eddie.fla...@att.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch

Re: [RBW] Re: B17

. Or at least envy. From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of eflayer Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 1:53 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: B17 i am in berkeley and have

Re: [RBW] Re: B17

i do have a brooks b17 for sale here in berkeley. honey colored one. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/eyeyvUeNprEJ. To post to this

[RBW] Re: B17

Sorry eflayer. I have a honey flying in from the midwest, didn't see your offer until too late. I do like those local exchanges. Best, Adam On Jun 28, 5:37 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: i do have a brooks b17 for sale here in berkeley. honey colored one. -- You received this

[RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom?

I tried an aged B-67 and had to take it back to my LBS. Too soft. Might work for a light rider, but it felt like a saggy, broken down saddle under my heavy weight. Totally agree with Grant on the Colt. I had one from my LBS. Tried to ride it for a few hundred miles. Never could get it

Re: [RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom?

Actually I had a pre-softened Pro, and it was if anything pre-worn-out. However, right now it's in the hands of a bud and Bob, who said it disappeared under him. On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Sep 17, 2010, at 1:43 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: On

Re: [RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom?

I think I've seen some long-used Swallows, and they seem to need their tension screws tightened way down after a while. I'm guessing this is a result of tension being distributed over less leather, increasing stretch. I had a VO model 6, which stretched out quite a bit from the get-go. I don't

[RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom?

On Sep 18, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Ken Freeman wrote: I keep thinking Brooks saddles are best on frames with a 72 or 73 degree seat tube, which would allow at least this rider to use setback v straight seatposts to get my butt position right. For me, 74 and 75 frames need either an extreme

[RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom?

It's nice to know that the most comfortable Brooks saddle may very well be the least expensive. Then again, I've never ridden a Swift or B17 Titanium... but I'm OK with that.. Peace, BB On Sep 17, 11:37 am, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Sep 17, 2010, at 8:06 AM, JoelMatthews

Re: [RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom?

...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 3:42 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom? It's nice to know that the most comfortable Brooks saddle may very well be the least expensive. Then again, I've never ridden

Re: [RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom?

I measured the B17 and the Swift, and they're the same clamping area (60mm) and same amount from rear to front of the clamping area (~130mm). They seem pretty similar in that respect: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/ I don't know if they are different in their front-center

[RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom?

The Colt is already available. Initial impressions I have heard are that the saddle is very hard and not terribly comfortable. Apparently it is meant to be a race type saddle for the heavier rider. On Sep 16, 10:37 pm, Chris Halasz chal...@gmail.com wrote: In another month or two, these

Re: [RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom?

I'm looking forward to a select B17. If it's simply a thicker stiffer B17 Special that'd be beautiful (unless they cost $300 or something; that'd be ridiculous). Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Sep 17, 2010, at 8:06 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: The Colt is already available.

Re: [RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom?

On Sep 17, 2010, at 8:06 AM, JoelMatthews wrote: The Colt is already available. Initial impressions I have heard are that the saddle is very hard and not terribly comfortable. Apparently it is meant to be a race type saddle for the heavier rider. I have one of the old Colts that I bout 10

[RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom?

Colt and cutaway saddles in general The flaps that get cut off are part of the saddle's structure. Without the flaps, the saddle sags sooner. The Swallow deals with it by riveting the two sides together underneath, but I've never seen a well- ridden Swallow (mostly they go on Show Bikes, not Go

[RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom?

For those who think Brooks has been going soft.. (I love the headline) New Brooks saddles even harder - Vans saddle Read more: http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/gear-news/new-brooks-saddles-even-harder/5484-4.html#ixzz0zoNx5cjM Swiss select Organic cowhide for your Brooks, perfect, almost as

Re: [RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom?

On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 11:14 -0700, Scott G. wrote: For those who think Brooks has been going soft.. (I love the headline) New Brooks saddles even harder - Vans saddle Read more: http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/gear-news/new-brooks-saddles-even-harder/5484-4.html#ixzz0zoNx5cjM Swiss

Re: [RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom?

On Sep 17, 2010, at 1:43 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 11:14 -0700, Scott G. wrote: For those who think Brooks has been going soft.. (I love the headline) New Brooks saddles even harder - Vans saddle Read more: http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/gear-news/new-brooks-

Re: [RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom?

Subject: [RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom? I'm surprised to see the comments to the effect that the Pro is flatter than the B17. I have a couple of each and find them all to have that distinct hammock shape. The key differences, as far as I can tell, are that the Pro

[RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom?

In another month or two, these beauties will be available from Brooks: http://bikereviews.com/2010/06/new-products-from-brooks-saddles/ - Chris Tucson, AZ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to

[RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom?

. -- Rene -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Noel Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 8:20 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom? I'm surprised

Re: [RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom?

On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 16:37 -0700, Earl Grey wrote: I had a b17, b17 special, and a team pro. Replaced the team pro with another b17s. Comfort difference was slight, and I believe mostly due to lack of break-in due to thicker leather, but the pro didn't have saddle bag loops. Looks like some

Re: [RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom?

I bought a new Brooks Team Pro nine months ago for the RB-1 and it didn't have loops. The Viva loops work just fine on it: http://flic.kr/p/7GTbYE/. -nathan On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 16:37 -0700, Earl Grey wrote: I had a b17,

[RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom?

Thomas, I have the Team Pro on a Gios, a B-17Ti on a Serrotta and another B-17Ti on my touring rig. I used to ride the B-17 standard(steel rails) and still have a B-17N on my Holdswoth which will be going to the bench soon as it doesn't feel quite as nice. Here's my take. Team pro is very nice

[RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom?

] On Behalf Of Noel Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 8:20 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom? I'm surprised to see the comments to the effect that the Pro is flatter than the B17. I have a couple of each and find them all to have

[RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom?

My original post must have been rejected by the moderator, so I'll respectfully try again. A key difference in my opinion is the 3 holes in the top of the B17, which don't exist on the Swift, Team, etc. I am convinced this makes a difference in the overall comfort. In fact, I LOVE the assorted

[RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom?

On Sep 11, 5:39 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Hi! snip I decided to simply use a B17 to begin with. I like it fine. But I wonder if a Team Pro would be even better. Thomas, I like the B17s better than the old Team Pro's for longer rides. YMMV. See if you can

Re: [RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom?

I actually prefer the B17-N or any of the narrower Brooks saddles. On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 7:09 PM, LF fie...@gmail.com wrote: On Sep 11, 5:39 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Hi! snip I decided to simply use a B17 to begin with. I like it fine. But I wonder if

RE: [RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom?

with handlebar which make you more upright riding, I like the aged special model B68. -- Rene -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Noel Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 8:20 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re

[RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom?

From Wallbike, on Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/wallblog/sets/72157624333065377/with/4777148941/ - Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To

Re: [RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom?

FWIW, I took a couple quick pix of my B17 and Swift: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/ Other than narrower, you can (kinda') see the similar shape. On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Chris Halasz chal...@gmail.com wrote: From Wallbike, on Flickr:

[RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom?

Thanks, all. I think what I'm hearing leads me to believe the shape of the Team Pro is the biggest risk for me; in fact, big enough not to experiment right now. On today's 20+ mile ride, my B17 felt great. Maybe better than on my last rude. But I'm losing interest in trying the Team Pro. Thanks

[RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom?

When I first started drinking the koolaid a couple of years ago, I started with a B17. Although it was much better than the Terry Fly it replaced, (on my then fast bike with handlebars below seat,) I started to have chafing on my inner thighs. I thought a narrower saddle would fix that, and I am

[RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom?

bowed in that its front and/or back is/are higher than the middle? I'd so, does either point up more than the other? I may actually *like* it, for example, if the nose is turned up some, whether or not the tail is. However, if the tail is up and the nose not so much, I wouldn't Luke that. I

[RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom?

David's right regarding the shape. For me, a Pro is good only if the h'bars are below the saddle. Even, get a B17. Wy up there Albatrossess, get the sprung B66/67. Esteban San Diego, California On Sep 11, 3:48 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: bowed in that its

Re: [RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom?

Bowed across the back, from side to side. You can kinda' see it herehttp://www.wallbike.com/TeamPro.html. Front to back is pretty flat, with the tail up a touch. B17 are like that, too. On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: bowed in that its

Re: [RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom?

On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 16:47, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Bowed across the back, from side to side.  You can kinda' see it here. Front to back is pretty flat, with the tail up a touch.  B17 are like that, too. I've been pretty happy on Pro-shaped saddles, although I have a

[RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom?

I'm surprised to see the comments to the effect that the Pro is flatter than the B17. I have a couple of each and find them all to have that distinct hammock shape. The key differences, as far as I can tell, are that the Pro is a narrower at the back and is made of thicker leather. (I have one Pro