I just purchased a Soma San Marcos. Waiting for some of the parts to arrive.
I like the Sam to commute on but I do find it a bit sluggish, I would not
call it stiff. I am hoping the San Marcos is a bit more lively feeling.
On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 1:48:50 PM UTC+10, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote
650B 56 single TT has gotta be the perfect bike!
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Davidbea wrote:
> I’ve also spent many hundreds of dollars (at least) on Bridgestones,
> Univegas, Miyatas and hybrid Bianchis not buying a Rivendell. I’ve been
> *almost
> *satisfied but still wanted the real thi
I’ve also spent many hundreds of dollars (at least) on Bridgestones,
Univegas, Miyatas and hybrid Bianchis not buying a Rivendell. I’ve been *almost
*satisfied but still wanted the real thing.
I finally decided to take the plunge and am picking up a new 56cm 650B H.
Homer Hilsen frame set. It
I have a good friend in the process of starting a new company in San
Francisco. The prototype was featured in Manny's last photo set. It'll
be a well made steel frame with great clearances and may be a budget
option worth looking at.
www.mtntr.com
Hope that's helpful.
Adam
On Feb 20, 8:58 am, mu
On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 11:58:02 AM UTC-5, murphyjrfk wrote:
>
> Does any one know if the budget riv is still being considered planned
> anything? I hope so. And sooner rather than later.
With wages steadily declining, and corporate profits steadily increasing,
something has got to
The one Riv that would probably crack open my wallet is the Sam, and I was
in the store looking at it really seriously, but it just doesn't take the
tires I'd wan to run, or have the canti brakes I'd want.
So, I keep shopping around, see steel bikes w/luggs, flat top bar, expanded
frame, l
I don’t think the original concept of the “budget riv” was in response to
demands from customers for a cheaper bike than the Sam Hillborne. I think
Rivendell, on their own, saw a niche for a new, stealthy, and more useful
bike for people (like me) who mostly ride an old bike around town doi
I was fortunate enough to get an Atlantis as a gift, but I can tell you I
spent hundreds (thousands, perhaps) of dollars NOT buying a Rivendell.
Treks, Miyatas, blah blah blah. I did the same with my Aerostich
motorcycle suit - instead of just biting the bullet and spending the $700+
I bought
Gernot's got the right idea. Instead of us trying to figure out how
Rivendell can give us "low priced lugged bikes", we need to figure out how
to organize our resources, expenses & priorities to afford a Rivendell. I
really truly believe Grant & Co are doing the best they can to deliver a
qua
Sorry, I have no experience with the Homer. FWIW, all the "excellent" Rivs
I've owned have been built strictly as dedicated road bikes.
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:01 AM, David Hays <23writ...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Patrick:
> You say 'My other Rivs feel ideal to me.' separating out the Sam. Where
>
Patrick:
You say 'My other Rivs feel ideal to me.' separating out the Sam. Where does
the Homer fall in your evaluation?
"I'm seriously looking at making the plunge on a 650B Homer as an all around
and don't foresee loaded touring.
Thanks.
David
On Feb 27, 2013, at 11:47 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrot
I think Rivendell has been pretty clever to make sure that $1K frames are
not an uncompromised substitute for $2K frames. Had the San Marcos been
designed for long reach side pull tire clearance and the Sam Hillborne been
designed with road bike angles, they would likely have sold more of t
Love this. Reminds me of RBW's old advertising for Rambouillet. It's
affordable for a cyclist with a job and "bicycle priorities"
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 3:08 AM, Earl Grey wrote:
> but most employed folk in the US can afford a Sam, especially if it
> can replace car trips some of the time.
On Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:08:04 AM UTC-5, Earl Grey wrote:
>
> Get a Sam or Betty now before the price goes up (get the unpainted head
> tube if still available in your size).
>
Gernot,
Unfortunately, the unpainted head-tube ones are now gone, and the price did
go up as of the start of t
Interesting perspective Gernot! Part of Grant's mission statement in the old
days was that Rivs would be affordable to 'anybody who has a job and bicycle
priorities'. I may not have quoted that exactly right, but you get the idea.
Anyway, that notion helped me "justify" spending $3k-plus on an A
Here is how to get a budget Riv now (other than waiting for a used deal,
which could also take a while):
Get yourself a zero % interest credit card. Get a Sam or Betty now before
the price goes up (get the unpainted head tube if still available in your
size). Set up automatic payments so that y
Patrick Moore
iPhone
On Feb 27, 2013, at 6:36 PM, Eric Platt wrote:
>
>
> That said, everyone feels different about different bikes. Patrick Moore
> seems to find the Fargo sluggish, yet when I had one it felt like the most
> nimble bike I owned. Even moreso than the Sam Hillborne. But
Will also chime in and say that the ride quality of the Cross Check is more
similar to the Atlantis than the LHT. Have a Cross Check, LHT and used to
have an Atlantis.
That said, everyone feels different about different bikes. Patrick Moore
seems to find the Fargo sluggish, yet when I had one it
I do have a Cross-Check that's currently set up as a fixed gear, so
when the LHT is sold, I plan on adding gears (gasp) and moving it over
to road duty. Your comparison of the CC/Atlantis ride quality gives
me optimism!
On Feb 27, 9:50 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
wrote:
> If your baseline i
I have a LHT and it too feels dead unloaded. I'm thinking it's somewhat
related to Jan Heine's thoughts on frame flex and responsiveness. The LHT
frame seems overly stiff unloaded, as it's built to haul, but comes to life
(a bit, at least) for me when some weight is on it. Kind of like a pickup
If your baseline is the Rambouillet, which has a fairly zippy, lively ride,
both the LHT and the Atlantis will seem similarly ponderous and sluggish.
That said, I've never felt that the LHT was a "poor man's Atlantis",
because the LHT is more truck-like than the Atlantis. To me, my Cross-check
Interesting; thanks. I've owned at least one bike (12-speed-era Fuji
Royale) that handled better with a heavy rear load than unladen. Of course,
there are so many variables here that classification is difficult if not
impossible, but I find such experiences as yours interesting.
The Fargo definite
I really wish I could have a long-term, head-to-head ride comparison of
both bikes. And maybe I had unrealistic expectations of a touring bike,
and maybe the fit on the LHT just wasn't right for me. But I gave it a go
for 3 years and am giving up the ghost. I have a Rambouillet, and the ride
Tracy -- asking to add more data to my store: what exactly do you find
absent in the ride of the LHT that you find in Rivendells' ride (=
comfort?) and handling?
I'd love to have a Riv ride mated to my Fargo, whose handling is mediocre,
but I put up with the Fargo for its other virtues. (Note one
>
> I'd be all in for a budget version of the Atlantis, as that's the bike
> I've always wanted but just can't afford. I tried to make do with a LHT,
> but I never liked the bike and am getting rid of it. It's the Rivendell
> ride I'm in search of, so if it actually comes to fruition, I'm in
On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 8:12:04 AM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
>
>
> Oh yes lol.. Japan. Is the Taiwan exchange rate much better though
> ? IDK
>
>
As Ron said, it's the labor, in large part.
Grant has on several occasions said he wouldn't mind getting bikes made by
Toyo in Japan ag
mostly, cost of living for the labor is lower
On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:12:04 AM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
>
>
> Oh yes lol.. Japan. Is the Taiwan exchange rate much better though
> ? IDK
>
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IDK
On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 8:08:50 AM UTC-5, Leslie wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:12:57 AM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
>>
>>
>> Not likely Mike, Do you recall how the Taiwan Atlantis's were hit a pe
On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:12:57 AM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
>
>
> Not likely Mike, Do you recall how the Taiwan Atlantis's were hit a peak
> of 3000$ ?
>
>
That was the Toyo Atlantis from Japan, not Taiwan.
I think, we just need to see what Grant/Keven come up with, maybe later
this ye
Not likely Mike, Do you recall how the Taiwan Atlantis's were hit a peak of
3000$ ?
On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:10:52 PM UTC-5, Mike Schiller wrote:
>
> yes... budget means different things to all of us. With US built Riv's
> over $2000 now, perhaps an Atlantis like Riv made in Taiwan
I would like to replace my LHT with a Soma Saga version of the Riv
Atlantis. I am thinking Taiwan built, Riv lugs, Tange Prestige, long head
tube, quill stem, 50mm tires without fenders, kickstand plate, and
cantilever brakes. * *I wouldn't mind powder coat instead of paint because
the paint
Its 35 degrees out with freezing rain. I would rather stay warm and
speculate, haha. My first spring with a Rivendell ready to go though, I am
super pumped.
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 11:32 PM, dougP wrote:
> Now we just need to go outside & ride our bikes. Speculation is great
> good fun but Gran
Now we just need to go outside & ride our bikes. Speculation is great good
fun but Grant / Rivendell will follow their own internal compass. You
never know what will pop up next (diagatube? tentacular stays?) which is
all part of the fun. Who'd ever guess about the Apaloosa?
dougP
On Tues
On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:16:15 AM UTC-8, Garth wrote:
>
>
> Forget about the "budget" and embrace who you ARE Rivendell :) !!
>
> Do what you love and love what you do . and the customers come :)
>
To me, you are "right on". While Riv's aren't cheap, I feel they are well
pric
That's a business model that might work. Merry Sales paid Grant $3000 for the
San Marcos design and for permission to use Riv lugs, and they pay Riv a tiny
royalty for each frame sold. It was all in the Blug.
Now if Merry Sales came to Riv again,and said we want to do another bike, and
paid f
That's a business model that might work. Merry Sales paid Grant $3000 for the
San Marcos design and for permission to use Riv lugs, and they pay Riv a tiny
royalty for each frame sold. It was all in the Blug.
Now if Merry Sales came to Riv again,and said we want to do another bike, and
paid f
yes... budget means different things to all of us. With US built Riv's
over $2000 now, perhaps an Atlantis like Riv made in Taiwan for $1200
would fit in nicely between the LHT and the Waterford built version.
~mike
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Yes, Shaun, it is. Absolutely correct. The OP specifically wants a budget
Riv to replace his LHT, and several have stated in the thread that what
they want is a budget lugged Atlantis.
On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 6:47:06 PM UTC-8, meehan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Isn't the budget Atlantis a
"A popular search engine shows it for ~$750 with free shipping"
that's precisely my point. quickbike.com has a Merry Sales account. They
are willing to sell a frameset for cost plus $50. Putting up an internet
storefront to sell a bike frame like a commodity doesn't prove that
Rivendell coul
Isn't the budget Atlantis already pretty much available in a wide range of
sizes in the form of the Surly LHT? I love Rivendell's and all but I'm just
making a legitimate observation.
Shaun Meehan
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 8:39 PM, cyclotourist wrote:
> Yes! I was think Hillborne as the budget Atl
Technically, I think the Hilborne is considered a budget Hilsen, actually.
Of course, most RBW frames have a good bit of overlap due to their
practicality, but the Atlantis is kinda unique I wouldn't think it wrong to
think of the Hunq as a between the Atlantis and the Bomba frame, tho'.
Yes! I was think Hillborne as the budget Atlantis. Brain and fingers don't
always work in concert.
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Leslie wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:59:31 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I think the Hunq is more the budget Atlantis than Bomb?
> >
>
> Quot
On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:59:31 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
> I think the Hunq is more the budget Atlantis than Bomb?
>
Quote from the Hunq's page: "Our most extravagant, screw-the-expense bike was
the off-roady Bombadil, and the Hunqapillar is a budgetated version of that
bike—
MSRP vs. street price are different animals. A popular search engine shows
it for ~$750 with free shipping.
It doesn't even have to be a Rivendell if that cuts into brand perception,
etc. Just seems like a enough of a market for it.
/February rainy, cold, snowed in, cabin fever conjecture (from Su
But the San Marcos cannot retail at $750. Retail on the San Marcos is
$900. If you find somebody with a Merry Sales account that will sell it to
you for cost+$50, that does not make it an actually viable retail product
at $750. It's viable at $900.
On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 5:59:31 PM
Yeah, cannibalizing sales of existing is the problem. But could be a way to
grow the segment as well. Really nothing else like that out there. Doesn't
have to be a Riv bike, could be SOMA, QBP, whoever. But if San Marcos can
sell for ~$750, seems like budget Hunq could as well. Rawland Stag has it
So a budget hunqapillar, which was the budget bombadil? Even with no
diagatube and one color powder coat I doubt you could get the price point
below 1k and still have it make sense. I think there would be a market
there but it would have to eat into existing hunqapillar sales instead of
bringing in
Yes!!! But w/ clearance for +50mm tires like Mike mentioned. Could be the
perfect bike!
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 9:58 AM, William wrote:
> "A San Marcos grade Atlantis."
>
> So you just want the single TT, single color, canti-Hillborne back?
>
>
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I love all the answers. And the what not. But I suppose I forgot to
mention I don't care if the bike they come out with didn't have lugs was a
mixte with gray primer as pain t and not a single decal. I'm not tall so
generally ride a 52 give or take and the thing that drives me crazy is you
ca
Compared to the cost advantages of buying frames in larger quantity, the
savings involved in cheapening lugs or paint is almost irrelevant. If 100
Riv people put down a serious deposit, I imagine Riv could give us an
"economical" Atlantis without compromising on anything (except maybe size
sele
yea, Bill, except with room for 50mm tires. I had one of those Hillbornes
and liked it but sold it for a Ram. Now I wish I had kept it instead
of selling it to Dustin. It was a good trail bike and for touring but
it's was stiff for my taste for road riding.
~mike
On Tuesday, February 26, 2
"A San Marcos grade Atlantis."
So you just want the single TT, single color, canti-Hillborne back?
On Sunday, February 24, 2013 9:31:20 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> No that's perfect for a road bike. I was wondering out loud about a
> fat-tired (relative) version. A San Marcos gr
Forget about the "budget" and embrace who you ARE Rivendell :) !!
Do what you love and love what you do . and the customers come :)
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Agreed. Ugh.
In the quest to make a "budget" Riv, what exactly are the qualities they
are trying to deliver at a budget price, and what exactly can be given up
to get there?
If you are trying to deliver the Riv ride and fit, great. Then do it in a
form that allows you to deliver those qualiti
Ugh...
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 10:50 AM, redsydude wrote:
> I think in 2011 their idea was to spray paint the frame for a few
> dollars to make it look old and increase its theftproofedness.
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I think in 2011 their idea was to start with the ca. $1000 Sam Hillborne
frame/fork, use less expensive cromoly tubing, modify the geometry so you
could span most PBHs with three sizes and then not paint the bike at all to
get to $700. The buyer would spray paint the frame for a few dollars to
The Soma Stanyan is lugged and about $750 IIRC. I'm guessing that's pretty much
the floor for a decent lugged frame.
Pete in CT
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No that's perfect for a road bike. I was wondering out loud about a
fat-tired (relative) version. A San Marcos grade Atlantis.
On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Joe Hogg wrote:
> On 02/23/2013 09:58 AM, cyclotourist wrote:
>
> Armchair CEO time. Where does the SOMA San Marcos come into the
>
On 02/23/2013 09:58 AM, cyclotourist wrote:
> Armchair CEO time. Where does the SOMA San Marcos come into the
> discussion? It's lugged, presumably good tubes and quality paint.
> Costs around ~$800 on the street, $949 MSRP. There's your budget Riv
> for road/country folk. If that bike can retail f
I'd like to see whatever they do fully lugged with an option for head tube
cream paint, for those of us who would be willing to pay a smidge more for the
bling.
Nice Riv fork bends would be cool. Not like the straighter Marcos fork. But
like a typical Riv fork.
Maybe these take it outta da bu
I have a Surly LHT and love it. It's very Rivish in its set-up with
48cm Noodles, Silver shifters, Sugino cranks, VP pedals, Schwalbe 40mm
Marathons and a Brooks saddle. It's a versatile bike and has a rides
nicely. I say make your own budget Riv by purchasing an LHT or Soma
Saga and setting it up
Good observation Steve
On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> The real shame is that nobody seems able to deal with the huge price
> penalty we pay for componentry when building up such frames. You could
> almost come out a head by buying a complete LHT, stripping off the
Maybe Riv will save money by building the bike out of cardboard. This guy
says that he can make a cardboard bike for $9 to $12.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2012/11/cardboard-bicycles
On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:58:02 AM UTC-8, murphyjrfk wrote:
>
> Does any one know if the budget
Armchair CEO time. Where does the SOMA San Marcos come into the discussion?
It's lugged, presumably good tubes and quality paint. Costs around ~$800 on
the street, $949 MSRP. There's your budget Riv for road/country folk. If
that bike can retail for $800, a fat-tired version could be too. I think
It wouldn't make sense to make any Riv that doesn't have lugs or a nice
paint job,although a single color paint is probably OK with most. The 1st
Sam's were single color except a few accents on the fork crown. There are
some shops that do pretty good job powder coating lugged bikes.
That could
Bombadil got to, and the 64 cm Sam didn't have the dirt tire capability he
> was after.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mike Schiller
> Sent: Feb 22, 2013 8:28 PM
> To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
>
>
On Sat, 2013-02-23 at 08:52 -0600, Bruce Herbitter wrote:
> Materials, labor and transportation costs plus the profit margin added
> equals the price you pay. Rivs like the Romulus were killer deals but
> for one reason or another, could not be maintained. Rivs have good
> paint jobs and you could
Materials, labor and transportation costs plus the profit margin added
equals the price you pay. Rivs like the Romulus were killer deals but for
one reason or another, could not be maintained. Rivs have good paint jobs
and you could shave money there by doing something skimpy. Rivs use good
quality
On Friday, February 22, 2013 2:15:54 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
wrote:
>
>
> The problem with budget Rivs is that they tend to evolve quickly in the
> fancy direction, and the budget-ness fades quickly. The Hunq was supposed
> to be the budget model a couple years back. Now it's $2
e absolute best deal for sale in bikes. It would
> be like the LHT but better.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Morgano
> Sent: Feb 22, 2013 9:28 PM
> To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
>
> With a
A LHT stock complete is now approaching $1400 based on a $470 msrp frame. I'm
not sure how you start with a $700-1000 frame and ala carte parts and keep it
south of $2000 complete. The way to lower prices is to buy in bulk, not make
the lugs plainer.
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On Friday, February 22, 2013 9:28:31 PM UTC-8, Peter M wrote:
>
> With a powder coat, no head badge and using existing lug designs I bet you
> could sell a Taiwan frame at around the 600-700 dollar price range.
>
What you're talking about is something like the Soma Stanyan Road Sport
frameset:
: [RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
With a powder coat, no head badge and using existing lug designs I bet you could sell a Taiwan frame at around the 600-700 dollar price range. With a budget build you could have a whole bike brand new for under 1,500, although I know the talk was about
With a powder coat, no head badge and using existing lug designs I bet you
could sell a Taiwan frame at around the 600-700 dollar price range. With a
budget build you could have a whole bike brand new for under 1,500,
although I know the talk was about coming in around 1k.
On Feb 22, 2013 11:28 PM,
22, 2013 8:28 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
how about something like a Sam that fits 50mm tires with Canti brakes? Seems like that would get a lot of interest. Kind of a low cost Hunqapillar.We all want to run the big tires like t
how about something like a Sam that fits 50mm tires with Canti brakes?
Seems like that would get a lot of interest. Kind of a low cost
Hunqapillar.
We all want to run the big tires like the new Big Bens and others.
~mike
Carlsbad Ca.
On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:58:02 AM UTC-8, murphyjr
That singular is pretty nice. Especially the one with the chromey chainstay.
For those that can fit on a level TT bike thats a nice one. For a roadbike
with fender clearance and a slight upslope TT there's the black mountain cycles
offering. Black mountain also has a monster cross that could
We have a nice 54 cm Singular Osprey here. It's Rambouillet-esque, lugged,
1" threaded fork, offset paint scheme, and internal rear brake cable
housing routing, plus some other cute little touches. MSRP is around $700
for frame/fork. If there were corners cut, it's not clear where.
The problem
Unless Grant has done a very complete *volte face, *they won't save by
giving up lugs.
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 9:27 AM, William wrote:
> I guess I meant, for example: what if the budget Riv was a singlespeed?
or
> a mixte? or did not have lugs? I don't know anything about where they
are
> will
I guess I meant, for example: what if the budget Riv was a singlespeed? or
a mixte? or did not have lugs? I don't know anything about where they are
willing to make concessions for savings or what their design targets are.
If you know your size, I'd stay ready with some cash handy and be re
Any o' em. I'm sort of looking to replace my lht- I've been eyeing the san
Marcos too so who knows. Every single Riv is so versatile and I don't tour just
commute and ramble so they could all work. Glad to hear its on the horizon
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What kind of budget Rivendell are you keen to buy?
On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:58:02 AM UTC-8, murphyjrfk wrote:
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> Does any one know if the budget riv is still being considered planned
> anything? I hope so. And sooner rather than later.
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I chatted with Keven about it awhile ago. The idea is that it'll be a
full-blown touring bike (from what I recall). He seemed to think end of the
year was a likely time frame, but I'm sure these things are subject to change.
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Not the San Marcos? Looks pretty fine for not too much moolah.
And what's the quote about being too poor to buy cheap stuff? As in too
poor not to buy nice gear that will last. I went with that logic and
sprang for a Hillborne. I was wishing I was in the Bombadil income bracket
but the Sam
There was a blug or email note about this several months ago. I'll never
find it but the gist was that he (Grant) turned the project over to someone
on his staff to refine or rework the design and when that is finished
he'll make prototype/production decisions. Of course, you may be asking
ab
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