Re: [RBW] Re: Grant on tires

I don't think it does but folding tires generally have higher end compounds, sidewalls, etc, so they roll faster for that reason not the folding bead... On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:49 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: > I still don't get how the bead affects the ride quality, whether for > comfort or spe

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On 03/22/2014 03:46 PM, RJM wrote: I don't know if the bead affects performance, my suspicions would be that it doesn't, but I don't like wire beads because I find them harder to get onto a rim and I find them harder to pack for a spare. On longer rides and tours I often bring a spare tire and

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Maybe we should ask Graham Obree about tires. At 50 years young isn't he still trying to break land speed records?Have you ever tried folding a wire bead? It can be done but it's easy to bend/crimp the wire. Can't see how that would sit straight after it's been crimped. On the other hand tubular

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I don't know if the bead affects performance, my suspicions would be that it doesn't, but I don't like wire beads because I find them harder to get onto a rim and I find them harder to pack for a spare. On longer rides and tours I often bring a spare tire and tube...wire beaded tires just don't

[RBW] Re: Grant on tires

Cool bikes! I'm a big fan of the Big Apples, and found them happily fast, with the Liteskin version on the rear. The Big Apples wouldn't go tubeless on my rims, though. I will try the Supermotos, but I might need a second wheelset (or build another bike). I know what you mean about motoring alo

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That makes sense to me, too. On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Joe Broach wrote: > All, > > I don't see how a wire bead could affect performance beyond the slight > weight difference. It just so happens most supple sidewall, thin tread > tires are folding bead. At least I think so. > > Best, > j

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All, I don't see how a wire bead could affect performance beyond the slight weight difference. It just so happens most supple sidewall, thin tread tires are folding bead. At least I think so. Best, joe On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:52 PM, RJM wrote: > I can't stand wire beads...much prefer a fold

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I still don't get how the bead affects the ride quality, whether for comfort or speed. Can anyone explain? From Jan's testing it would seem that the principal variable by an order of magnitude is casing construction. But I'd like to know if it does, 'cuz if it does, I need to swap out the wire bea

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> > I can't stand wire beads...much prefer a folding bead. > Just installed the Stampede Pass onto my Roadeo, first ride on Sunday. The look much better than the 25mm Continental tires I had on it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bun

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Furious Freds, at a true 360 grams? Labeled 50 but measure 55 on my SnoCat SuperLites. On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 2:35 PM, jimmy johnsen wrote: > Patrick. Have any land speed/track records been broken on wire beads > recently? If fat tires can be made lightweight I'll buy them. The Surly > Knard 2

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Patrick. Have any land speed/track records been broken on wire beads recently? If fat tires can be made lightweight I'll buy them. The Surly Knard 29x3 come in wire bead and folding. The wire version might last longer and have better protection but I'd much rather ride the lighter folding tire.T

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Thanks. 680 grams is 200 grams less than the original 700cX2.35 Big Apples, wire bead, and about 100 grams less than the "Litespeed" folding version. I may just try those some day. Right now I have the superest lighter-est Furious Freds on the Fargo, but they measure a paltry 55 mm on the 44 mm ri

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Patrick. The Schwalbe website list them as 680 grams. Aren't the Apples wire bead? I don't ride wire bead tires. I think they are slow. I use to ride sew ups or tubulars on the track and road. A folding tire comes closer to the feel and speed of a sew up and will always beat a wire bead. Jan has

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant on tires

Hobie: do you know how much this tire weighs? I couldn't find that figure. If it is sufficiently lighter than the Big Apple, it will be a very nice tire for the sandy soils around here. On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:44 PM, hobie wrote: > I think the Hetres 650b tires are fantastic! Very fast, ple

[RBW] Re: Grant on tires

I think the Hetres 650b tires are fantastic! Very fast, plenty fat for gravel. I like what Jan is doing. I'd like to see fatter tires from Jan especially in the 29/700 size. Say 29x2.0. I doubt he will because most of the bikes he reviews or rides can only handle up to 40mm? Having more choices

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The MSOs work well, and look great (i might add) on the Hunqapillar: https://flic.kr/p/kpCU2r I'm going to fender up the Hilsen with some Zeppelins to cover the Barlow Pass's tonight: https://flic.kr/p/kTv33e I guess we should chat more, Chen! I'll let you know how they work. My take on tire

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I think the Xpress would make an excellent spare tire and is a fine tire. Using the Pari-Moto up front and a more durable rear tire makes a ton of sense. I rode over 600 miles on my Pari-Motos and the front still had the little rubber-new tire things attached in the center, whereas the rear had wo

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Although - Soma has something in the works that might just fill this need. http://www.bikerumor.com/2014/02/22/soma-fab-hits-the-gravel-w-new-cazadero-low-profile-knobby-tires/ On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Dan McNamara wrote: > Currently not really. At least that I am aware of. There has

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant on tires

Currently not really. At least that I am aware of. There has been a fair amount of chatter about this in the 650B Google Group over the last year and i know a number of people had contacted Clement about a 650B version and gotten responses requesting more info on their bike and how it was set up. B

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> > is there a 650b equivalent for such a tire? > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to

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I like the MSO tires. Have them on the XO-4 and the Black Mountain Monster Cross. You can get the 60tpi for less than $35. The 120tpi (which are nice) can be found to $50. No flats yet. Manly? Yes! On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Chris Chen wrote: > I'm of two minds. > > I have the Barlow P

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant on tires

I'm of two minds. I have the Barlow Pass Compass tires on the way and I'm seriously considering trying out some of those 700x40C Clement MSOs I saw on Will's Hillborne: I heard they come out to 38 on a 24mm rim and that's damn near perfect for lil' ol' me. They look so Manly. On Tue, Mar 18, 20

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant on tires

I'm thinking about getting an Xpress as a spare tire, after having 5 flats on 2 different Pari-Motos. I replaced the back tire with a spare after the 3rd flat, and proceeded to have two more. If a rider is going to have to install the spare tire, I think there's some merit in that spare being a l

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I use Soma Xpress 650b on my commuter and have had two flats. One was a thorn after 0.5 miles riding, and the other was a pinch flat after running over a large, unseen object that caused me to crash down on my rear wheel. For peace of mind it's good for the commuter and I don't care about saving t

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Just fill your Schwalbes with helium. I heard that works really well. On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:45:19 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: > > We need one special tire, forged deep in the heart of a volcano. A tire > that is supple, fast, flatproof, quiet, cheapONE TIRE TO RULE THEM ALL! > > > On Tue,

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant on tires

maybe that is why my times on brevets have been slower :-) Currently riding on Soma Xpress 650b. Sturdy - only two flats in 4000 miles (glass and a wire). But the past year has been unexplainably dismal. Was riding the Hutchinsons before. Maybe I'll go back. Or try the new Compass 650b (Lo

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant on tires

We need one special tire, forged deep in the heart of a volcano. A tire that is supple, fast, flatproof, quiet, cheapONE TIRE TO RULE THEM ALL! On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Coconutbill wrote: > well spoken, Larry. > that's what I was trying at. > > -evan > > -- > You received this mess

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well spoken, Larry. that's what I was trying at. -evan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To pos

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If you can specify the criteriia you can test and find the tires that best meet them. Ron Mc wrote: >there is no such thing as best tire, there is only favorite > >On Monday, March 17, 2014 7:50:01 PM UTC-5, LF wrote: >> >> "Best Tire" depends on what type of riding you do, how much total >wei

[RBW] Re: Grant on tires

there is no such thing as best tire, there is only favorite On Monday, March 17, 2014 7:50:01 PM UTC-5, LF wrote: > > "Best Tire" depends on what type of riding you do, how much total weight > you are pedaling, how much you mind flats, and personal preference. A 160# > randonnair on a light wei

[RBW] Re: Grant on tires

"Best Tire" depends on what type of riding you do, how much total weight you are pedaling, how much you mind flats, and personal preference. A 160# randonnair on a light weight bike might prefer a different tire than a 200# commuter/ occasional off roader on a "country" bike. It's also a challen

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could just be that your tire more readily picks up small shards in the rain, held by the surface tension of water. They make more trips around and get pressed into the rubber - good argument for tire wipers. On Monday, March 17, 2014 2:43:43 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > "Interestingly, I

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant on tires

"Interestingly, I got all my flats during the times of rain that we encountered. I got no flats when the road was dry. I understand that things get washed loose when it rains, but 5 rainy flats vs 0 dry flats seems even more skewed than normal. " I always blame that on the fact that bits of g

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant on tires

I agree with you Philip. I weigh 270 and I get lots of flats on wider tires, including 5 flats on this last weekend's Houston Randonneurs 600K. Interestingly, I got all my flats during the times of rain that we encountered. I got no flats when the road was dry. I understand that things get wash

[RBW] Re: Grant on tires

I weigh 240 lbs as well (more, recently), and have plenty of flats on fatter tires, too. I do feel fast on the Vee Rubber "Flying V" and the Soma C-Lines. Flying Vs are tubeless, the C-Lines have tire savers (wire thornflickers). I got a flat in a C-line as soon as I changed gears (fixed) and d

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Thanks, Ron; they sound ideal for the Ram (mostly errand riding but I want my errand bike to feel fast) when the PRs wear out. I know that the PRs felt faster than the earlier 35 mm Kojaks but of course were deadly for goatheads without sealant. Perhaps the SBs will split the difference. On Mon,

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Patrick, the air volume difference between the Parigis and Biancas is noteworthy. They have the same tread pattern, and the Biancas have an extra puncture layer, making them only 80g heavier. The Bianca sidewalls feel a bit thinner. Even though they rate the Biancas as 30mm, they measure 33

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Ron -- Any idea how similar the SBs are to the Parigi Roubaix? Speaking of slower rolling, I just learned something. My daughter's new used MTB came with heavy knobbies+thorn proof tube+liner+Slime tire combos pumped rock hard. I let out air until I could flex the tire with a firm squeeze; but dis

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant on tires

Patrick, my buddy and I were rolling Saturday in mixed wet/dry pavement on macadam to polymer-reinforced concrete. (It was a great fender ride.) My Strada Biancas consistently out rolled his Marathon Supremes. We were intentionally going slow over the wet, but literally half the time he was

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant on tires

+1 for the Kojaks, at least the 559X32s. They aren't proof against thorns, but they do pretty well for the way they roll. The Big Apples (I used 3 pairs of the 60s) were as close as anything to thorn PROOF without special tubes or sealant, yet they rolled pretty damn' good for all their bulk. OTO

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I would just like to point something out, for the sake of the archive. While this is a positive thread with all participants having a fun discussion about tires, there is something odd about having a thread called "X on Y" when X is not part of the thread. We all get it, and no one is being bad

RE: [RBW] Re: Grant on tires

84 inches? You're a beast! -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Philip Williamson Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 2:31 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Grant on tires I think

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I like this game. I ride fast and heavy, just like the aircraft I flew for 5 years--the B-1B . I love the ride of 700c 26mm Cerf Blue tires on my Gofast Giordana, and I love the ride of the 650b 38mm Lierre tires on my Riv Road. On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 6

[RBW] Re: Grant on tires

I primarily commute an average of 150 miles a week year round in the Pacific Northwest. On cold winter mornings at 5:00 AM the last thing I want is a flat. At first I was disappointed with the Schwalbe Supremes because I had four flats in the first couple thousand miles. Than, after reading s

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I switched from Schwalbe Supremes to Grand Bois. The ride difference is immediately and profoundly obvious. > > I fully understand that some people ride in conditions where flat protection is more important than other considerations. With Schwalbe that protection comes with a big loss of rid

[RBW] Re: Grant on tires

I think tires can make a big difference, and could easily bridge that gap between "good" and "great." I put Marathon Supremes on a bike, after running 700x60 Big Apples, and the Marathons felt doggier. Plus I was measurably slower against my friends, and up timed climbs. I just switched them fo

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> > You can buy from Compass with confidence. > I have had nothing but excellent customer service from them, and they are delightful to do business with. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and st

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Though if the guys myth was formed by riding a Sam with little Ben schwalbes at 30psi you might be wrong. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rb

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152 plus shipping -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-own

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Mat, I doubt that you could tell any difference in the ride of an Asian Sam and a Wisconsin one. Please put yourself at ease over that. Tires can make quite a difference. Pressure, width and construction all make a difference. Sometimes the tires on test bikes at RBW are at very low pressure, yo

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> I will preface this post by saying that I tend to not have the most > nuanced tastes with anything, i.e. wine, food, cars. But I have 3 > Rivendells. Homer, Hunqa and Roadeo. I by far put the most miles on my > Homer, which I've had for 3 years now. I've mostly run Riv tires, although > I h

[RBW] Re: Grant on tires

Matt, Can't hurt to try new tires, except put a wee dent in your wallet! I was astonished how big a difference in trail and died road riding there was between the 50mm Dureeme and the 2.25" Smart Sams, so while that is obviously a different type of riding, yes, the tire can make a huge differe

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Interesting. I too have Supremes on my Sam Hillborne. I had Marathon Pluses on my last bike, so I'm pretty happy with them. I can't be messing with flats on my way to work so the Supremes are staying on for a while. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "

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I would say without reservation that swapping tires from Schwalbe to anything else - Panaracer, Soma. gran Bois - will get you closer to that mythical Riv-ride. -j -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this

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On 03/15/2014 12:53 AM, Matt Lynch wrote: I purchased a Sam Hillborne after an extended test ride at RBW. I've put close to 7,000 miles on my bike and have yet to duplicate the ride I experienced on their test bike. I've always had in the back of my mind the problem was that I bought a Taiwane

[RBW] Re: Grant on tires

I purchased a Sam Hillborne after an extended test ride at RBW. I've put close to 7,000 miles on my bike and have yet to duplicate the ride I experienced on their test bike. I've always had in the back of my mind the problem was that I bought a Taiwanese model whereas, unbeknownst to me, I te

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That's a beautiful and apt metaphor. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, s

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Moderation in all things, Schwalbe Ultremo 28mm, not as fragile as a GB, but not a flying tank. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To u

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> > I'm glad there's so many tire choices in 650b... > I had been riding B-lines but recently switched to an ultra-economical pair of TourRides... no flats in months! Granted, I think the TourRides may be less responsive than ultra-light supple tires, but I see these as two distinctly diffe

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant on tires

On 03/14/2014 05:38 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: I want to play! Grant? If not, then surely it must be one of the list members who were so wrapped up in the coffee grinder for use while camping discussion a couple

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I want to play! Grant? Jan? The rivbike.com page that will annoy the "supple-philes"

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way off topic but, the SR71 was developed after the U2 and removed from service before it so yea the U2 is arguably superior to its shorter lived progeny. On Friday, March 14, 2014 8:19:05 AM UTC-7, Allan in Portland wrote: > > U2 superior to the > SR71

[RBW] Re: Grant on tires

There is a reason the Fatty Rumpkin forcefield tires are made as burly as they make them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and st

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Yes, and also, Grant and the crew at riv seem to be more into bike touring, or at least loading the bike with heavy stuff if needed. I would imagine a bike set up for doing s24o's at Mt. Diablo will need different and sturdier tires than a bike set up for randonneuring. Just look at some pict

[RBW] Re: Grant on tires

I recently learned about the new Jan's new Compass tires, and I bought the 700x38c Barlow Pass version, with the extra-light sidewalls. Only had a chance to ride them once so far, but it felt like an improvement over my old 700x40c Schwalbe Marathon Duremes. They felt like they would "spin-up"

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On Friday, March 14, 2014 9:25:49 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote: > > You can't make something fly just by making it light. > You are totally right. You cannot make a great tire just by making it light, either. Aircraft design, especially in the early days before prodigious horsepower could lif

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant on tires

On 03/14/2014 12:25 PM, Jim Bronson wrote: You can't make something fly just by making it light. While weight is certainly a critical parameter in determining performance as stated in payload/range and speed, no airplane needs to be "light enough to fly". It needs to have enough lift from it's

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You can't make something fly just by making it light. While weight is certainly a critical parameter in determining performance as stated in payload/range and speed, no airplane needs to be "light enough to fly". It needs to have enough lift from it's wings to overcome whatever weight it is tryin

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Any airplane must be light enough to fly, and strong enough to survive turbulence. It's a fine balancing act, and it's the reason why Rene Herse's bikes are so amazing: He learned his craft building prototype aircraft, including the first plane to fly across the Atlantic the hard way – against

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I'm just glad I can choose both! When I ride on pretty good to poor surfaces I can one, when I ride through cactus, goatheads, glass, and flint, I can choose the other. I can underbike, and I can overbike! On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Allan in Portland wrote: > U2 superior to the > SR71

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U2 superior to the SR71? Bah! Though sorry you missed our Dalles Mtn 60 last weekend as the subject of those aircraft did come up. :) -Allan On Friday, March 14, 2014 7:49:30 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > On 03/14/2014 10

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Weighting advantages and disadvantages is why tires are a such a personal choice, and nothing about tire choices can ever be made empirical. On Friday, March 14, 2014 9:36:06 AM UTC-5, AaronY wrote: > > I too prefer Joy over Work. However, I think Grant is probably making his > decision based

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Another vote for the pure cycling joy of light, easy rolling tires. On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Steven Frederick wrote: > I can certainly find either type of tire useful in some applications. I > just thought this was kind of a nifty summation of his preferences... > > Steve > > > On Fri,

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant on tires

I can certainly find either type of tire useful in some applications. I just thought this was kind of a nifty summation of his preferences... Steve On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Aaron Young <1ce...@gmail.com> wrote: > I too prefer Joy over Work. However, I think Grant is probably making h

[RBW] Re: Grant on tires

I too prefer Joy over Work. However, I think Grant is probably making his decision based on more than just the feel of the tire. He would likely be willing to concede that a lighter tire with a supple(r) casing and thin tread might provide a superior ride, but the benefits of a thicker tread and

[RBW] Re: Grant on tires

>From my own experience, Riding on tires that Jan likes is pure joy, Riding on tires that Grant likes is work. I prefer joy over work. Tom Dusky Huntington Woods, MI On Friday, March 14, 2014 8:59:31 AM UTC-4, stevef wrote: > > Interesting encapsulation of Grant's preference for beefier tires. (